> Honda
> http://tinyurl.com/9jcny
> http://tinyurl.com/abu76
> http://tinyurl.com/9b5ta

Do not appear to be general or serious and for the first two there is no
indication that the car owner had to pay for the repairs.

> Toyota:
> http://tinyurl.com/89hff
> http://tinyurl.com/br9d4

In the end it turned out to be tyre related, so not relevant.

>
> BMW
> http://tinyurl.com/beh4z
> http://tinyurl.com/a6g2u

The first turned out to be the muffler, the second, however, is relevant,
though there is nothing about control arms, only springs and struts, which
is not really in the same league as far as wear is concerned.

> Merc
> http://tinyurl.com/bqca5
> http://tinyurl.com/99s5d
>

The first is about an off roader so that's a completely different matter.
The second is not specific at all.

>>Again I'll appreciate any links you can provide in that direction, as the
>>only things I seem to have read about Honda was that they were by far much
>>more reliable than any German makes, and every owner seemed to be more or
>>less pretty happy about their Hondas.
>
> Ok. Just for starters (unfortunately in german, but you'll recognize
> the pattern. The less the number of needed assistances is, the better
> it is):
>
> Roadside assistances medium to upperclass cars
> http://tinyurl.com/8j3dl
> medium class:
> http://tinyurl.com/drqzc
>

Statistics is the science by which if a man has eaten a chicken and another
one has not eaten one, at the end of the day they will both have eaten half
of it each. Anyway, it would have to be seen how many more Mercs and BMWs
are there on the German roads, by comparison to the number of Audis. I
believe the ratio must be somewhere between 2 Mercs per every Audi, and 1.5
BMWs per Audi, though of course I still prefer my whole Audi to that
remaining half a BMW !

Not trying to pull anyone's leg, here and do appreciate your efforts but I
remain unconvinced.

JP Roberts

 

> Honda
> http://tinyurl.com/9jcny
> http://tinyurl.com/abu76
> http://tinyurl.com/9b5ta

Do not appear to be general or serious and for the first two there is no
indication that the car owner had to pay for the repairs.

> Toyota:
> http://tinyurl.com/89hff
> http://tinyurl.com/br9d4

In the end it turned out to be tyre related, so not relevant.

>
> BMW
> http://tinyurl.com/beh4z
> http://tinyurl.com/a6g2u

The first turned out to be the muffler, the second, however, is relevant,
though there is nothing about control arms, only springs and struts, which
is not really in the same league as far as wear is concerned.

> Merc
> http://tinyurl.com/bqca5
> http://tinyurl.com/99s5d
>

The first is about an off roader so that's a completely different matter.
The second is not specific at all.

>>Again I'll appreciate any links you can provide in that direction, as the
>>only things I seem to have read about Honda was that they were by far much
>>more reliable than any German makes, and every owner seemed to be more or
>>less pretty happy about their Hondas.
>
> Ok. Just for starters (unfortunately in german, but you'll recognize
> the pattern. The less the number of needed assistances is, the better
> it is):
>
> Roadside assistances medium to upperclass cars
> http://tinyurl.com/8j3dl
> medium class:
> http://tinyurl.com/drqzc
>

Statistics is the science by which if a man has eaten a chicken and another
one has not eaten one, at the end of the day they will both have eaten half
of it each. Anyway, it would have to be seen how many more Mercs and BMWs
are there on the German roads, by comparison to the number of Audis. I
believe the ratio must be somewhere between 2 Mercs per every Audi, and 1.5
BMWs per Audi, though of course I still prefer my whole Audi to that
remaining half a BMW !

Not trying to pull anyone's leg, here and do appreciate your efforts but I
remain unconvinced.

JP Roberts

 

JP Roberts wrote:
> Until Audi had a large enough supply, there *just
> > weren't enough* coil packs to replace four when one was faulty.
>
> I can't believe you bought such a lame excuse.

It's not an excuse, but reality. The fact is that the replacementsa
didn't exist in great enough numbers. When they did exist, then all
the packs were replaced at once.

> This is no excuse at all,
> remember they do have all the necessary cars it takes to supply just
any
> market.

Hardly. You can't just wave a wand and have parts materialize out of
thin air. Do you know anything at all about heavy manufacturing?

>
> > Flat out wrong.
>
> Where's that link?

Link to what?

> > Mercedes and BMW have exactly the same policy.
>
> I friend of mine had the whole of his '02 M3's engine replaced 2
months out
> of warranty before it broke - which remains to be seen whether it
would have
> happened. This is exactly the right and opposite policy. I don't know
about
> Mercedes.

There's more to your story than you are saying. In fact, BMW had a
very specific problem with their M3s, due to oil issues. And some
dealers do work with their customers, to make sure they come back,
regardless of corporate policy. I know of several people who had
warranty work done outside of warranty eligibility, just because they
had good dealer relations.

> > Where again is this dealer that's not replacing non-faulty parts
for
> > free?
>
> Pretty much everywhere else when it's a clear case of
underengineering.

Are you an engineer? No? Then you cannot say that it's a "clear
case."

I'm becoming curious as to why you are not naming this dealer that's so
shoddy. If what you say is completely true, then what's the problem?

It seems to me as though you want a lifetime warranty on wear parts
where no other manufacturer has such a policy. All because your German
car is a little more expensive than other cars to fix. I will repeat
my suggestion: sell your Audi, and buy a Honda or Toyota product.
Everyone wins.

E.P.

 

JP Roberts wrote:
> Until Audi had a large enough supply, there *just
> > weren't enough* coil packs to replace four when one was faulty.
>
> I can't believe you bought such a lame excuse.

It's not an excuse, but reality. The fact is that the replacementsa
didn't exist in great enough numbers. When they did exist, then all
the packs were replaced at once.

> This is no excuse at all,
> remember they do have all the necessary cars it takes to supply just
any
> market.

Hardly. You can't just wave a wand and have parts materialize out of
thin air. Do you know anything at all about heavy manufacturing?

>
> > Flat out wrong.
>
> Where's that link?

Link to what?

> > Mercedes and BMW have exactly the same policy.
>
> I friend of mine had the whole of his '02 M3's engine replaced 2
months out
> of warranty before it broke - which remains to be seen whether it
would have
> happened. This is exactly the right and opposite policy. I don't know
about
> Mercedes.

There's more to your story than you are saying. In fact, BMW had a
very specific problem with their M3s, due to oil issues. And some
dealers do work with their customers, to make sure they come back,
regardless of corporate policy. I know of several people who had
warranty work done outside of warranty eligibility, just because they
had good dealer relations.

> > Where again is this dealer that's not replacing non-faulty parts
for
> > free?
>
> Pretty much everywhere else when it's a clear case of
underengineering.

Are you an engineer? No? Then you cannot say that it's a "clear
case."

I'm becoming curious as to why you are not naming this dealer that's so
shoddy. If what you say is completely true, then what's the problem?

It seems to me as though you want a lifetime warranty on wear parts
where no other manufacturer has such a policy. All because your German
car is a little more expensive than other cars to fix. I will repeat
my suggestion: sell your Audi, and buy a Honda or Toyota product.
Everyone wins.

E.P.

 

JP Roberts wrote:
> Until Audi had a large enough supply, there *just
> > weren't enough* coil packs to replace four when one was faulty.
>
> I can't believe you bought such a lame excuse.

It's not an excuse, but reality. The fact is that the replacementsa
didn't exist in great enough numbers. When they did exist, then all
the packs were replaced at once.

> This is no excuse at all,
> remember they do have all the necessary cars it takes to supply just
any
> market.

Hardly. You can't just wave a wand and have parts materialize out of
thin air. Do you know anything at all about heavy manufacturing?

>
> > Flat out wrong.
>
> Where's that link?

Link to what?

> > Mercedes and BMW have exactly the same policy.
>
> I friend of mine had the whole of his '02 M3's engine replaced 2
months out
> of warranty before it broke - which remains to be seen whether it
would have
> happened. This is exactly the right and opposite policy. I don't know
about
> Mercedes.

There's more to your story than you are saying. In fact, BMW had a
very specific problem with their M3s, due to oil issues. And some
dealers do work with their customers, to make sure they come back,
regardless of corporate policy. I know of several people who had
warranty work done outside of warranty eligibility, just because they
had good dealer relations.

> > Where again is this dealer that's not replacing non-faulty parts
for
> > free?
>
> Pretty much everywhere else when it's a clear case of
underengineering.

Are you an engineer? No? Then you cannot say that it's a "clear
case."

I'm becoming curious as to why you are not naming this dealer that's so
shoddy. If what you say is completely true, then what's the problem?

It seems to me as though you want a lifetime warranty on wear parts
where no other manufacturer has such a policy. All because your German
car is a little more expensive than other cars to fix. I will repeat
my suggestion: sell your Audi, and buy a Honda or Toyota product.
Everyone wins.

E.P.

 

Disdain is cheaper.

JP Roberts wrote:

> This is exactly why they should treat us with some respect instead of
> disdain.
>
>

Opps, Disdain is cheaper.

But where I go I am treated very nice indeed. No matter what the
manufacturer, I'm sure there will be bad examples happening.

 

Disdain is cheaper.

JP Roberts wrote:

> This is exactly why they should treat us with some respect instead of
> disdain.
>
>

Opps, Disdain is cheaper.

But where I go I am treated very nice indeed. No matter what the
manufacturer, I'm sure there will be bad examples happening.

 

Disdain is cheaper.

JP Roberts wrote:

> This is exactly why they should treat us with some respect instead of
> disdain.
>
>

Opps, Disdain is cheaper.

But where I go I am treated very nice indeed. No matter what the
manufacturer, I'm sure there will be bad examples happening.

 

I do know the basics about assembly line work, but then again I bet there is
not only one coil pack manufacturer in the world. Now, there's probably only
a cheap one, which happens to be the one supplying them. So, it's nothing a
couple more bucks investment couldn't have solved in an instant.
> Hardly. You can't just wave a wand and have parts materialize out of
> thin air. Do you know anything at all about heavy manufacturing?


> There's more to your story than you are saying. In fact, BMW had a
> very specific problem with their M3s, due to oil issues. And some
> dealers do work with their customers, to make sure they come back,
> regardless of corporate policy. I know of several people who had
> warranty work done outside of warranty eligibility, just because they
> had good dealer relations.
>
This is what they should all do, although of course only if there's a good
reason enough, which happens to be the case.


> Are you an engineer? No? Then you cannot say that it's a "clear
> case."
Well, now I can see you're just a would-be knowitall. Yes, I do happen to be
an engineer although my knowledge of car mechanics is rather limited, but I
can still easily tell from the many woe stories when something has been
underengineered, but it doesn't take an engineer to not fail to see this.
Also, upon inspection deterioration is so obvious that there's no denying
the bad engineering.


If I'm not naming the dealer it's only because it's thousands of miles away
from where most of you probably are, so you're perfectly safe in that
respect, and because the point is that this contemptible behaviour is pretty
much extended where I am based. I would dare to say that the good stories
are the rare exceptions. But with a few exceptions like that of Wolfgang, I
think it's the make's policy that's faulty. If you doubt what I'm saying I
would like you to point me out to just a couple of links in which our make
has covered something after the guarantee had expired.
> I'm becoming curious as to why you are not naming this dealer that's so
> shoddy. If what you say is completely true, then what's the problem?

 

I do know the basics about assembly line work, but then again I bet there is
not only one coil pack manufacturer in the world. Now, there's probably only
a cheap one, which happens to be the one supplying them. So, it's nothing a
couple more bucks investment couldn't have solved in an instant.
> Hardly. You can't just wave a wand and have parts materialize out of
> thin air. Do you know anything at all about heavy manufacturing?


> There's more to your story than you are saying. In fact, BMW had a
> very specific problem with their M3s, due to oil issues. And some
> dealers do work with their customers, to make sure they come back,
> regardless of corporate policy. I know of several people who had
> warranty work done outside of warranty eligibility, just because they
> had good dealer relations.
>
This is what they should all do, although of course only if there's a good
reason enough, which happens to be the case.


> Are you an engineer? No? Then you cannot say that it's a "clear
> case."
Well, now I can see you're just a would-be knowitall. Yes, I do happen to be
an engineer although my knowledge of car mechanics is rather limited, but I
can still easily tell from the many woe stories when something has been
underengineered, but it doesn't take an engineer to not fail to see this.
Also, upon inspection deterioration is so obvious that there's no denying
the bad engineering.


If I'm not naming the dealer it's only because it's thousands of miles away
from where most of you probably are, so you're perfectly safe in that
respect, and because the point is that this contemptible behaviour is pretty
much extended where I am based. I would dare to say that the good stories
are the rare exceptions. But with a few exceptions like that of Wolfgang, I
think it's the make's policy that's faulty. If you doubt what I'm saying I
would like you to point me out to just a couple of links in which our make
has covered something after the guarantee had expired.
> I'm becoming curious as to why you are not naming this dealer that's so
> shoddy. If what you say is completely true, then what's the problem?