In article <slrnc76i0i.m71.rogblake10@unix2.netaxs.com>,
rogblake10@iname10.com (Roger Blake) wrote:

> On Tue, 06 Apr 2004 21:18:39 GMT, George Graves <gmgravesnos@pacbell.net>
> wrote:
> >Because the smaller car is more nimble?
>
> Because the larger car holds more people and luggage in comfort?

Fine. Go for it.

--
George Graves
------------------
"If God drove a car, it would surely be an Alfa Romeo."
Juan Manuel Fangio
5-time world Grand Prix champion

 

> From: "(Pete Cresswell)" <x@y.z>
> Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net
> Newsgroups:
> alt.autos.4x4.chevy-trucks,alt.autos.acura,alt.autos.alfa-romeo,alt.autos.anti
> que,alt.autos.audi
> Date: Wed, 07 Apr 2004 00:03:53 GMT
> Subject: Re: Fuel prices aren't dropping
>
> RE/
>> seppo
>
> ?
> --
> PeteCresswell

Septic Tank - Yank

 

> From: "KJ" <searchalll@yahoo.com>
> Organization: AT&T Worldnet
> Newsgroups:
> alt.autos.4x4.chevy-trucks,alt.autos.acura,alt.autos.alfa-romeo,alt.autos.anti
> que,alt.autos.audi
> Date: Tue, 06 Apr 2004 22:39:19 GMT
> Subject: Re: Fuel prices aren't dropping
>
> We do it because we are the most prosperous country ever. We have enough
> money to protect you from all the little war mongers around you. Be happy
> we're so gluttonous.
>
> ~KJ~

You lot seem to be the war mongers, and what comes before a fall?

 

"KJ" <searchalll@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:2vGcc.48632$He5.937966@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>
> "Mike Smith" <mike_UNDERSCORE_smith@acm.DOT.org> wrote in message
> news:10767h2ohni5v1d@news.supernews.com...
> > does it really matter wrote:
> >
> > > Our children will be driving hydrogen powered cars, and hybrids.
> >
> > And where do you think the hydrogen is going to come from? One of two
> > places:
> >
> > a) Fuel cells that extract hydrogen from *petroleum*, and
> >
> > b) Using electricity to break apart water molecules. And where is the
> > electricity going to come from? In the US, anyway, the answer is by
> > *burning petroleum*.
>
> Coal, methane, nukes, or wood. Nukes & wood are popular - nukes last along
> time, wood is now a renewable power source.

Don't be forgetting hydro power. Canada has lots of water and
hydroelectric installations. Power can also be generated from the
wind and the ocean tides. All of these are renewable and they
don't pollute the air or environment. Besides, hydrogen has a lot
of bang for the volume...

-'dreas

 

It isn't that gas is more expensive that the 50s and 60s it is that it is
more expensive than 2-3 years ago. 3 years ago I was paying $0.95 to
$1.25/gal actually if I recall I paid as low as $1.29 within the past year
and a half now I am paying $1.60 to $1.90 that is 200% inflation at the
extreme. and 159% average and wages don't go up because they have to raise
the prices of the product on increase in transport cost no room left to
offer wage increases. That is why everyone is complaining about high gas
prices yes the price of it in Europe is quite a bit higher but you aren't
being hit with the cost of the inflation it causes. Gas prices go up so do
the prices of everything else.


"(Pete Cresswell)" <x@y.z> wrote in message
news:t2h67052cuv26ag9t66ujpd9euvgb8i3v3@4ax.com...
> RE/
> >Thanks God! I can't understand why North-Americans use cars with so big
> >engines, that more than 80 mph simply doesen't run.
>
> Somebody tell me where I'm wrong here:
>
> - Back in the late 50's/early 60's gas was $.30 per gallon.
>
> - I don't remember anybody complaining about the cost of gas back then.
>
> - We've had over 600% inflation since then, so gas at $1.80 in 2004
dollars is
> still .30 per gallon in old dollars.
>
> - Last time I priced bottled water at the local CitGo store, the price per
> gallon was pretty close to regular gas. A little higher now, but
*still*...
>
> - People today are complaining about the high cost of gas.
>
>
> Am I missing something? Did cars get *that* much better milage without
> emission controls?
> --
> PeteCresswell

 

That's right. about 92% off our gasprices is taxes. That's grand theft,
legalised.

We pay here 1.20 Euro per liter for regular, 85 octan. so thats about 4.50
to 5.00euro's per gallon.
And today the euro is about usd 1.2085 so do the maths on this.
Everybody, allmost, is driving small riceburners or samesized vehicles wich
burn only about 8liters per 100Km.
My '88 k1500 is burning LPG(liq. Propane Gas) wich costs about .40 eurocents
per liter but uses 30 liters per 100 km. Thats how i can afford myself a
real car.
If i turn the switch on my fuel system it still can run on normal gas and
guzzles down 15 liters per 100K.
The good thing about LPG is that it's a waste product from cracking crude
oil down to gas or diesel fuel, so selling it is pure profit for the gas
company.
Overhere they want to boost the use of LPG because it's enviromentally save,
less polution and about 85% of the exhaustgasses is water.

Ride free

Marc
'88 k1500 4X4
'94 BMW R1100GS

Heerlen Holland Europe

 

You certainly are entitle to your opinion but the discussion was
ALL about fuel mileage. I'll bet you drive a Toyota because you
have obviously never driven a Lincoln LS if you think the Camry
is more nimble. Secondly I don't know were you get your opinion
about the handling of the Mustang GT but in the past few years
I've owned both the Solara and the Mustang GT convertibles and
I'll take the 2004 GT any day of the week for handling at speed
over the FWD 2004 Solara.


mike hunt



George Graves wrote:
>
> In article <4072F852.2E90C26D@lycos.com>, MikeHunt@lycos.com wrote:
>
> > According to the EPA mileage guide a V8 Lincoln LS gets 20 MPG
> > city and 27 MPG highway. A V6 Camry is listed at the same 20 MPG
> > city and 27 MPG highway. Why drive a smaller car with a V6 when
> > one can drive a larger safer V8 powered car?
>
> Because the smaller car is more nimble?
>
> > A wimpy V6 Solara
> > convertible get 19 MPG city and 26 MPG highway while a high
> > performance Mustang GT convertible gets 18 MPG city and 24 MPG
> > highway. Seems to me it is hardly worth spending $5,000 more for
> > the Solara V6, that can barely get out of its own way, for
> > a measly two miles per gallon.
>
> Because gas milage isn't the only criteria for choosing a car. A Mustang
> might make a better dragster than a Solara, but I've driven a modern
> Mustang, they're no fun at all (can't say about a Solara, I've never
> been in one). The Mustang is a big, sloppy, heavy car with terrible
> turn-in, lots of push, and steering as dead as Lucrecia Borgia. I know
> that one can buy modified Mustangs from the likes of Roush Racing,
> Saleen, etc., which largely correct these shortcomings, but they can
> almost double the price. Might as well buy something real by that
> time....
> >
> >
> >
> > mike hunt
> >
> >
> >
> > whiplash wrote:
> > >
> > > Yes but you have to consider the difference in scale between North America
> > > and Europe.
> > >
> > > For us, driving 30 km to work is nothing. I have to drive 10km to the
> > > corner store and 20km for groceries. I used to commute an hour's drive each
> > > way - without traffic.
> > >
> > > For instance, Canada has 9.9M km^2 of land area whereas Italy has just over
> > > 0.3M km^2. Where I live in the province of Ontario, we have 1.5M km^2 of
> > > land. If Italy were a province in Canada it would rank 4th in size out of 13
> > > provinces/territories.
> > >
> > > http://www.statcan.ca/english/Pgdb/phys01.htm
> > > http://www.theodora.com/wfb/italy_geography.html
> > >
> > > I've driven in Italy too. 80mph = 130kph and I was in the slow lane and
> > > getting passed. 120kph is about average on our highways here.
> > >
> > > Also consider safety : larger vehicle = better survivability
> > >
> > > Any engine under 2L is small here. I'd venture a guess that 3L V6's are the
> > > most popular car engine of choice. V8's are saved for pickups, SUV's and
> > > red necks.
> > >
> > > Ciao
> > >
> > > "Jacopo" <jacopino.bNOSPAM@tin.it> wrote in message
> > > news:fEscc.25454$rM4.1236987@news4.tin.it...
> > > > > Americans and Canadians have been spoiled with generally low prices over
> > > > > the years. Get used to higher prices and drive smaller more efficient
> > > > > vehicles
> > > >
> > > > Thanks God! I can't understand why North-Americans use cars with so big
> > > > engines, that more than 80 mph simply doesen't run.
> > > >
> > > > It's impossible to think of a V8 engine on a city-car, or a Van... But
> > > > actually, American do.
> > > >
> > > > Everyone, except someone
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Jacopo
> > > > Bolzano, Italia
> > > > --
> > > >
> > > >
>
> --
> George Graves
> ------------------
> "If God drove a car, it would surely be an Alfa Romeo."
> Juan Manuel Fangio
> 5-time world Grand Prix champion

 

I suppose if the voters of a state are going to elect people to
office that pass legislation that prevents drilling, refining,
and storing of oil and laws that restrict the types of fuel they
can burn then one SHOULD expects to pay the cost of implementing
that legislation, don't you think? California could lower their
gas prices by 65 cents a gallon if they would simply use the SAME
gasoline used in some of the surrounding states. To me
California is a prime example of environmental legislation run
amuck and should be a lesson the voter of the other states.


mike hunt

If Jesus drove a vehicle it would be a 15 passenger Ford
Econoline van, the only thing with room for his disciples
and all their stuff



George Graves wrote:
>
> In article <kIGdnScYVt1RM-_dRVn-ig@adelphia.com>,
> "Dave Smith" <davewsmith@adelphia.net> wrote:
>
> > Tell me about it, im from ne PA, premium is around $1.85, could be worse
> > though. I wonder what it is down in Key West FL?
>
> Try California. In the San Francisco Bay Area this week, for instance,
> 87 Octane ( CA regular) is about $2.05/gal, 89 Octane is about
> $2.15/gal, and 92 Octane (The highest octane generally available in
> California) is about $2.25/gal. I expect to see 92 octane petrol at
> about $3.00/gal by July 4.
>
> --
> George Graves
> ------------------
> "If God drove a car, it would surely be an Alfa Romeo."
> Juan Manuel Fangio
> 5-time world Grand Prix champion

 

One can buy a V8 Mustang GT convertible for at least $5,000
less than a V6 Solar Convertible. The $5,000 will buy all
of your gas for six or seven years.


mike hunt



KJ wrote:
>
> "George Graves" <gmgravesnos@pacbell.net> wrote in message
> news:gmgravesnos-F61B51.14162106042004@news.sf.sbcglobal.net...
>
> > Because gas milage isn't the only criteria for choosing a car. A Mustang
> > might make a better dragster than a Solara, but I've driven a modern
> > Mustang, they're no fun at all (can't say about a Solara, I've never
> > been in one). The Mustang is a big, sloppy, heavy car with terrible
> > turn-in, lots of push, and steering as dead as Lucrecia Borgia. I know
> > that one can buy modified Mustangs from the likes of Roush Racing,
> > Saleen, etc., which largely correct these shortcomings, but they can
> > almost double the price. Might as well buy something real by that
> > time....
>
> That's because it's a Ferd.
>
> ~KJ~

 

From what I've read currently hydrogen is over $150 a gallon and
fuel cells must be made in 'clean rooms' and cost about $500,000
each to build.


mike hunt



KJ wrote:
>
> "Mike Smith" <mike_UNDERSCORE_smith@acm.DOT.org> wrote in message
> news:10767h2ohni5v1d@news.supernews.com...
> > does it really matter wrote:
> >
> > > Our children will be driving hydrogen powered cars, and hybrids.
> >
> > And where do you think the hydrogen is going to come from? One of two
> > places:
> >
> > a) Fuel cells that extract hydrogen from *petroleum*, and
> >
> > b) Using electricity to break apart water molecules. And where is the
> > electricity going to come from? In the US, anyway, the answer is by
> > *burning petroleum*.
>
> Coal, methane, nukes, or wood. Nukes & wood are popular - nukes last along
> time, wood is now a renewable power source.
>
> ~KJ~
>
> > Unless someone comes along and invents Mr. Fusion, the "hydrogen
> > economy" does not reduce our dependence upon OPEC one bit.
> >
> > --
> > Mike Smith
> >