"does it really matter" <well@whatfor.com> schreef in bericht
news:c4utdt$2mb0j3$1@ID-200385.news.uni-berlin.de...
> Our children will be driving hydrogen powered cars, and hybrids. Do you
> think that the Oil Industry with all the money that is in it doesn't
produce
> corrupt deals to stiffle projects that would cause the world to
dramatically
> reduce the use of their product, it's as lucrative as the drug industry
it's
> just legal (well the goods are legal). I am not much of a conspiracy
> theorist but I know there must be kickbacks and such with an industry that
> is in such demand the whole world over.

Who do you think own the alternative fuel circuits??????
The Shell's, Exxons etc.!!!
They don't care as long as we buy one of their products.
--
Ciao from Holland
AlfistaGJ (Gert-Jan)
156 SW 1.8 Madeno tuned (2000)
Montreal (1973/4)

 

does it really matter wrote:

> Our children will be driving hydrogen powered cars, and hybrids.

And where do you think the hydrogen is going to come from? One of two
places:

a) Fuel cells that extract hydrogen from *petroleum*, and

b) Using electricity to break apart water molecules. And where is the
electricity going to come from? In the US, anyway, the answer is by
*burning petroleum*.

Unless someone comes along and invents Mr. Fusion, the "hydrogen
economy" does not reduce our dependence upon OPEC one bit.

--
Mike Smith

 

In article <4072F852.2E90C26D@lycos.com>, MikeHunt@lycos.com wrote:

> According to the EPA mileage guide a V8 Lincoln LS gets 20 MPG
> city and 27 MPG highway. A V6 Camry is listed at the same 20 MPG
> city and 27 MPG highway. Why drive a smaller car with a V6 when
> one can drive a larger safer V8 powered car?

Because the smaller car is more nimble?


> A wimpy V6 Solara
> convertible get 19 MPG city and 26 MPG highway while a high
> performance Mustang GT convertible gets 18 MPG city and 24 MPG
> highway. Seems to me it is hardly worth spending $5,000 more for
> the Solara V6, that can barely get out of its own way, for
> a measly two miles per gallon.

Because gas milage isn't the only criteria for choosing a car. A Mustang
might make a better dragster than a Solara, but I've driven a modern
Mustang, they're no fun at all (can't say about a Solara, I've never
been in one). The Mustang is a big, sloppy, heavy car with terrible
turn-in, lots of push, and steering as dead as Lucrecia Borgia. I know
that one can buy modified Mustangs from the likes of Roush Racing,
Saleen, etc., which largely correct these shortcomings, but they can
almost double the price. Might as well buy something real by that
time....
>
>
>
> mike hunt
>
>
>
> whiplash wrote:
> >
> > Yes but you have to consider the difference in scale between North America
> > and Europe.
> >
> > For us, driving 30 km to work is nothing. I have to drive 10km to the
> > corner store and 20km for groceries. I used to commute an hour's drive each
> > way - without traffic.
> >
> > For instance, Canada has 9.9M km^2 of land area whereas Italy has just over
> > 0.3M km^2. Where I live in the province of Ontario, we have 1.5M km^2 of
> > land. If Italy were a province in Canada it would rank 4th in size out of 13
> > provinces/territories.
> >
> > http://www.statcan.ca/english/Pgdb/phys01.htm
> > http://www.theodora.com/wfb/italy_geography.html
> >
> > I've driven in Italy too. 80mph = 130kph and I was in the slow lane and
> > getting passed. 120kph is about average on our highways here.
> >
> > Also consider safety : larger vehicle = better survivability
> >
> > Any engine under 2L is small here. I'd venture a guess that 3L V6's are the
> > most popular car engine of choice. V8's are saved for pickups, SUV's and
> > red necks.
> >
> > Ciao
> >
> > "Jacopo" <jacopino.bNOSPAM@tin.it> wrote in message
> > news:fEscc.25454$rM4.1236987@news4.tin.it...
> > > > Americans and Canadians have been spoiled with generally low prices over
> > > > the years. Get used to higher prices and drive smaller more efficient
> > > > vehicles
> > >
> > > Thanks God! I can't understand why North-Americans use cars with so big
> > > engines, that more than 80 mph simply doesen't run.
> > >
> > > It's impossible to think of a V8 engine on a city-car, or a Van... But
> > > actually, American do.
> > >
> > > Everyone, except someone
> > >
> > > --
> > > Jacopo
> > > Bolzano, Italia
> > > --
> > >
> > >

--
George Graves
------------------
"If God drove a car, it would surely be an Alfa Romeo."
Juan Manuel Fangio
5-time world Grand Prix champion

 

In article <c4uiov$2n5off$1@ID-200385.news.uni-berlin.de>,
"Corey Scheich" <cscheich@plymouthind.com> wrote:

> I think OPEC is trying to influence our election. Anyway Americans and
> Canadians pay lower prices simply on quantity discount. If I were to have
> say a Printing Press company do 2 banners for me it may cost $300 to setup
> and $4 each to print, that is $154 each but if I tell them I am going to buy
> 300 prints it would only cost $5 each. This is all speculation.

European high fuel prices are mostly taxes. We might get some price
break on petrol because we actually produce oil in North America, but
largely our motor fuel prices reflect a far lower tax rate at the pump
than do Europeans.



> "whiplash" <mike_d2@NOSPAMnetlane.com> wrote in message
> news:ZI-dnf9KXc-AMu_dRVn-vg@golden.net...
> > Yes but you have to consider the difference in scale between North America
> > and Europe.
> >
> > For us, driving 30 km to work is nothing. I have to drive 10km to the
> > corner store and 20km for groceries. I used to commute an hour's drive
> each
> > way - without traffic.
> >
> > For instance, Canada has 9.9M km^2 of land area whereas Italy has just
> over
> > 0.3M km^2. Where I live in the province of Ontario, we have 1.5M km^2 of
> > land. If Italy were a province in Canada it would rank 4th in size out of
> 13
> > provinces/territories.
> >
> > http://www.statcan.ca/english/Pgdb/phys01.htm
> > http://www.theodora.com/wfb/italy_geography.html
> >
> > I've driven in Italy too. 80mph = 130kph and I was in the slow lane and
> > getting passed. 120kph is about average on our highways here.
> >
> > Also consider safety : larger vehicle = better survivability
> >
> > Any engine under 2L is small here. I'd venture a guess that 3L V6's are
> the
> > most popular car engine of choice. V8's are saved for pickups, SUV's and
> > red necks.
> >
> > Ciao
> >
> > "Jacopo" <jacopino.bNOSPAM@tin.it> wrote in message
> > news:fEscc.25454$rM4.1236987@news4.tin.it...
> > > > Americans and Canadians have been spoiled with generally low prices
> over
> > > > the years. Get used to higher prices and drive smaller more efficient
> > > > vehicles
> > >
> > > Thanks God! I can't understand why North-Americans use cars with so big
> > > engines, that more than 80 mph simply doesen't run.
> > >
> > > It's impossible to think of a V8 engine on a city-car, or a Van... But
> > > actually, American do.
> > >
> > > Everyone, except someone
> > >
> > > --
> > > Jacopo
> > > Bolzano, Italia
> > > --
> > >
> > >
> >
> >

--
George Graves
------------------
"If God drove a car, it would surely be an Alfa Romeo."
Juan Manuel Fangio
5-time world Grand Prix champion

 

In article <kIGdnScYVt1RM-_dRVn-ig@adelphia.com>,
"Dave Smith" <davewsmith@adelphia.net> wrote:

> Tell me about it, im from ne PA, premium is around $1.85, could be worse
> though. I wonder what it is down in Key West FL?

Try California. In the San Francisco Bay Area this week, for instance,
87 Octane ( CA regular) is about $2.05/gal, 89 Octane is about
$2.15/gal, and 92 Octane (The highest octane generally available in
California) is about $2.25/gal. I expect to see 92 octane petrol at
about $3.00/gal by July 4.

--
George Graves
------------------
"If God drove a car, it would surely be an Alfa Romeo."
Juan Manuel Fangio
5-time world Grand Prix champion

 

> European high fuel prices are mostly taxes.

True

>We might get some price break on petrol because we actually produce oil in
North America,

Much like that funny black stuff we brits pump out the North Sea

America is nowhere near self sufficient in the Oil needed to make gas.

> but largely our motor fuel prices reflect a far lower tax rate at the
pump
> than do Europeans.

Indeed. You ought to fix that (!)

I.

 

We do it because we are the most prosperous country ever. We have enough
money to protect you from all the little war mongers around you. Be happy
we're so gluttonous.

~KJ~

"Jacopo" <jacopino.bNOSPAM@tin.it> wrote in message
news:fEscc.25454$rM4.1236987@news4.tin.it...
> > Americans and Canadians have been spoiled with generally low prices over
> > the years. Get used to higher prices and drive smaller more efficient
> > vehicles
>
> Thanks God! I can't understand why North-Americans use cars with so big
> engines, that more than 80 mph simply doesen't run.
>
> It's impossible to think of a V8 engine on a city-car, or a Van... But
> actually, American do.
>
> Everyone, except someone
>
> --
> Jacopo
> Bolzano, Italia
> --
>
>

 

"George Graves" <gmgravesnos@pacbell.net> wrote in message
news:gmgravesnos-F61B51.14162106042004@news.sf.sbcglobal.net...

> Because gas milage isn't the only criteria for choosing a car. A Mustang
> might make a better dragster than a Solara, but I've driven a modern
> Mustang, they're no fun at all (can't say about a Solara, I've never
> been in one). The Mustang is a big, sloppy, heavy car with terrible
> turn-in, lots of push, and steering as dead as Lucrecia Borgia. I know
> that one can buy modified Mustangs from the likes of Roush Racing,
> Saleen, etc., which largely correct these shortcomings, but they can
> almost double the price. Might as well buy something real by that
> time....

That's because it's a Ferd.

~KJ~

 

Oh shut the up. You obviously don't know the first thing about
economics. Want your prices to go up? LIE and say you don't have much left -
then everyone scrambles for what you have. There is more oil out there then
we could burn before we all killed each other with fusion bombs. What
rubbish.

~KJ~

"Alfistagj" <alfistagjOnReplyPleaseRemoveThis@chello.nl> wrote in message
news:z4Ccc.7731$EV2.67865@amstwist00...
>
> "R Crook" <crookREMOVE@execulink.com> schreef in bericht
> news:40723753.6070709@execulink.com...
> > Pete wrote:
> > > On Fri, 27 Jun 2003 11:06:05 -0400, "Gordo" <statsman@excite.com>,
> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >>Why aren't fuel prices dropping like expected? There is a web site
that
> > >>shows a graph of fuel prices since 1995. I thought after the war we
> would
> > >>see a decrease
>
> What war???
> Do you consider invading a country a war??
> It's a bloody shame GB ego'd and got UK & Spain behind him; hurray for
> Germany and France and many other countries not supporting GB.
> GB's action is one of the reasons we are getting beaten up by
> attacks.
> To avoid any misunderstanding:
> I hate and have no sympathy for them at all even though I may
> sympathize with some of the reasons behind their actions.
>
> Just hope the fuel prices stay up there of go up further.
> That's the only way we all will learn our lesson to be cautious using all
> our natural resources at the rate "we" are doing.
> Especially in the USA both Americans as well as the USA car manufacturers
> don't seem to get it.
> They only look at polution % but don't care about the rate of using fuel.
> REDUCE THE FUEL CONSUMPTION!
> That's the only way to leave something behind for our children when we're
> gone!!
> --
> Ciao from Holland
> AlfistaGJ (Gert-Jan)
> 156 SW 1.8 Madeno tuned (2000)
> Montreal (1973/4)
>
>
>

 

"Mike Smith" <mike_UNDERSCORE_smith@acm.DOT.org> wrote in message
news:10767h2ohni5v1d@news.supernews.com...
> does it really matter wrote:
>
> > Our children will be driving hydrogen powered cars, and hybrids.
>
> And where do you think the hydrogen is going to come from? One of two
> places:
>
> a) Fuel cells that extract hydrogen from *petroleum*, and
>
> b) Using electricity to break apart water molecules. And where is the
> electricity going to come from? In the US, anyway, the answer is by
> *burning petroleum*.

Coal, methane, nukes, or wood. Nukes & wood are popular - nukes last along
time, wood is now a renewable power source.

~KJ~

> Unless someone comes along and invents Mr. Fusion, the "hydrogen
> economy" does not reduce our dependence upon OPEC one bit.
>
> --
> Mike Smith
>