Fuel prices aren't dropping
#61
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Re: Fuel prices aren't dropping
Yes but you have to consider the difference in scale between North America
and Europe.
For us, driving 30 km to work is nothing. I have to drive 10km to the
corner store and 20km for groceries. I used to commute an hour's drive each
way - without traffic.
For instance, Canada has 9.9M km^2 of land area whereas Italy has just over
0.3M km^2. Where I live in the province of Ontario, we have 1.5M km^2 of
land. If Italy were a province in Canada it would rank 4th in size out of 13
provinces/territories.
http://www.statcan.ca/english/Pgdb/phys01.htm
http://www.theodora.com/wfb/italy_geography.html
I've driven in Italy too. 80mph = 130kph and I was in the slow lane and
getting passed. 120kph is about average on our highways here.
Also consider safety : larger vehicle = better survivability
Any engine under 2L is small here. I'd venture a guess that 3L V6's are the
most popular car engine of choice. V8's are saved for pickups, SUV's and
red necks.
Ciao
"Jacopo" <jacopino.bNOSPAM@tin.it> wrote in message
news:fEscc.25454$rM4.1236987@news4.tin.it...
> > Americans and Canadians have been spoiled with generally low prices over
> > the years. Get used to higher prices and drive smaller more efficient
> > vehicles
>
> Thanks God! I can't understand why North-Americans use cars with so big
> engines, that more than 80 mph simply doesen't run.
>
> It's impossible to think of a V8 engine on a city-car, or a Van... But
> actually, American do.
>
> Everyone, except someone
>
> --
> Jacopo
> Bolzano, Italia
> --
>
>
and Europe.
For us, driving 30 km to work is nothing. I have to drive 10km to the
corner store and 20km for groceries. I used to commute an hour's drive each
way - without traffic.
For instance, Canada has 9.9M km^2 of land area whereas Italy has just over
0.3M km^2. Where I live in the province of Ontario, we have 1.5M km^2 of
land. If Italy were a province in Canada it would rank 4th in size out of 13
provinces/territories.
http://www.statcan.ca/english/Pgdb/phys01.htm
http://www.theodora.com/wfb/italy_geography.html
I've driven in Italy too. 80mph = 130kph and I was in the slow lane and
getting passed. 120kph is about average on our highways here.
Also consider safety : larger vehicle = better survivability
Any engine under 2L is small here. I'd venture a guess that 3L V6's are the
most popular car engine of choice. V8's are saved for pickups, SUV's and
red necks.
Ciao
"Jacopo" <jacopino.bNOSPAM@tin.it> wrote in message
news:fEscc.25454$rM4.1236987@news4.tin.it...
> > Americans and Canadians have been spoiled with generally low prices over
> > the years. Get used to higher prices and drive smaller more efficient
> > vehicles
>
> Thanks God! I can't understand why North-Americans use cars with so big
> engines, that more than 80 mph simply doesen't run.
>
> It's impossible to think of a V8 engine on a city-car, or a Van... But
> actually, American do.
>
> Everyone, except someone
>
> --
> Jacopo
> Bolzano, Italia
> --
>
>
#62
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Re: Fuel prices aren't dropping
They may not be dropping, but where I am they're not going up either.
2 stations I pass on my way to work have both been at the same price
for close to 2 weeks. $1.869 for 87 octane, I don't pay attention to
the rest since my truck uses 87 without complaint...
On Tue, 6 Apr 2004 09:21:06 -0400, "Dave Smith"
<davewsmith@adelphia.net> wrote:
>Tell me about it, im from ne PA, premium is around $1.85, could be worse
>though. I wonder what it is down in Key West FL?
>
2 stations I pass on my way to work have both been at the same price
for close to 2 weeks. $1.869 for 87 octane, I don't pay attention to
the rest since my truck uses 87 without complaint...
On Tue, 6 Apr 2004 09:21:06 -0400, "Dave Smith"
<davewsmith@adelphia.net> wrote:
>Tell me about it, im from ne PA, premium is around $1.85, could be worse
>though. I wonder what it is down in Key West FL?
>
#63
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Re: Fuel prices aren't dropping
I think OPEC is trying to influence our election. Anyway Americans and
Canadians pay lower prices simply on quantity discount. If I were to have
say a Printing Press company do 2 banners for me it may cost $300 to setup
and $4 each to print, that is $154 each but if I tell them I am going to buy
300 prints it would only cost $5 each. This is all speculation.
"whiplash" <mike_d2@NOSPAMnetlane.com> wrote in message
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> Yes but you have to consider the difference in scale between North America
> and Europe.
>
> For us, driving 30 km to work is nothing. I have to drive 10km to the
> corner store and 20km for groceries. I used to commute an hour's drive
each
> way - without traffic.
>
> For instance, Canada has 9.9M km^2 of land area whereas Italy has just
over
> 0.3M km^2. Where I live in the province of Ontario, we have 1.5M km^2 of
> land. If Italy were a province in Canada it would rank 4th in size out of
13
> provinces/territories.
>
> http://www.statcan.ca/english/Pgdb/phys01.htm
> http://www.theodora.com/wfb/italy_geography.html
>
> I've driven in Italy too. 80mph = 130kph and I was in the slow lane and
> getting passed. 120kph is about average on our highways here.
>
> Also consider safety : larger vehicle = better survivability
>
> Any engine under 2L is small here. I'd venture a guess that 3L V6's are
the
> most popular car engine of choice. V8's are saved for pickups, SUV's and
> red necks.
>
> Ciao
>
> "Jacopo" <jacopino.bNOSPAM@tin.it> wrote in message
> news:fEscc.25454$rM4.1236987@news4.tin.it...
> > > Americans and Canadians have been spoiled with generally low prices
over
> > > the years. Get used to higher prices and drive smaller more efficient
> > > vehicles
> >
> > Thanks God! I can't understand why North-Americans use cars with so big
> > engines, that more than 80 mph simply doesen't run.
> >
> > It's impossible to think of a V8 engine on a city-car, or a Van... But
> > actually, American do.
> >
> > Everyone, except someone
> >
> > --
> > Jacopo
> > Bolzano, Italia
> > --
> >
> >
>
>
Canadians pay lower prices simply on quantity discount. If I were to have
say a Printing Press company do 2 banners for me it may cost $300 to setup
and $4 each to print, that is $154 each but if I tell them I am going to buy
300 prints it would only cost $5 each. This is all speculation.
"whiplash" <mike_d2@NOSPAMnetlane.com> wrote in message
news:ZI-dnf9KXc-AMu_dRVn-vg@golden.net...
> Yes but you have to consider the difference in scale between North America
> and Europe.
>
> For us, driving 30 km to work is nothing. I have to drive 10km to the
> corner store and 20km for groceries. I used to commute an hour's drive
each
> way - without traffic.
>
> For instance, Canada has 9.9M km^2 of land area whereas Italy has just
over
> 0.3M km^2. Where I live in the province of Ontario, we have 1.5M km^2 of
> land. If Italy were a province in Canada it would rank 4th in size out of
13
> provinces/territories.
>
> http://www.statcan.ca/english/Pgdb/phys01.htm
> http://www.theodora.com/wfb/italy_geography.html
>
> I've driven in Italy too. 80mph = 130kph and I was in the slow lane and
> getting passed. 120kph is about average on our highways here.
>
> Also consider safety : larger vehicle = better survivability
>
> Any engine under 2L is small here. I'd venture a guess that 3L V6's are
the
> most popular car engine of choice. V8's are saved for pickups, SUV's and
> red necks.
>
> Ciao
>
> "Jacopo" <jacopino.bNOSPAM@tin.it> wrote in message
> news:fEscc.25454$rM4.1236987@news4.tin.it...
> > > Americans and Canadians have been spoiled with generally low prices
over
> > > the years. Get used to higher prices and drive smaller more efficient
> > > vehicles
> >
> > Thanks God! I can't understand why North-Americans use cars with so big
> > engines, that more than 80 mph simply doesen't run.
> >
> > It's impossible to think of a V8 engine on a city-car, or a Van... But
> > actually, American do.
> >
> > Everyone, except someone
> >
> > --
> > Jacopo
> > Bolzano, Italia
> > --
> >
> >
>
>
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Re: Fuel prices aren't dropping
On Tue, 06 Apr 2004 00:51:47 -0400, R G Crook <crook@execulink.com> wrote:
>the years. Get used to higher prices and drive smaller more efficient
>vehicles
No. Not everyone wants to drive around in Euro-style tin cans. The
reason that gas prices are so much higher in the rest of the world is
due to confiscatory taxation used to prop up socialist welfare states.
If that's what Europeans want they are welcome to keep it, we don't want
any part of it here.
For a little perspective, here in the U.S. Gasoline back in the 1950s
and 1960s was about 28 cents a gallon, sometimes a bit less with the
"gas wars" that would break out between stations in a given area. That
was at a time when most people were driving large cars that got 10 to
15 miles per gallon. (Of course there were penny-pinchers who drove
Ramblers and VWs, etc., but the typical car was a full-sized vehicle
with V8.)
Excepting electronics, inflation since that time has been about 10x.
The nickel candy bar of the day now costs 50 cents (at least), the 20
cent loaf of bread is now $2.00. Back then a salary of $10K/year put
you squarely in the middle class, today it's more like $100K/year. If
gas prices reach $3.00 per gallon, allowing for inflation it will
actually be no more expensive than it was 40 or 50 years ago.
--
Roger Blake
(Subtract 10 for email.)
>the years. Get used to higher prices and drive smaller more efficient
>vehicles
No. Not everyone wants to drive around in Euro-style tin cans. The
reason that gas prices are so much higher in the rest of the world is
due to confiscatory taxation used to prop up socialist welfare states.
If that's what Europeans want they are welcome to keep it, we don't want
any part of it here.
For a little perspective, here in the U.S. Gasoline back in the 1950s
and 1960s was about 28 cents a gallon, sometimes a bit less with the
"gas wars" that would break out between stations in a given area. That
was at a time when most people were driving large cars that got 10 to
15 miles per gallon. (Of course there were penny-pinchers who drove
Ramblers and VWs, etc., but the typical car was a full-sized vehicle
with V8.)
Excepting electronics, inflation since that time has been about 10x.
The nickel candy bar of the day now costs 50 cents (at least), the 20
cent loaf of bread is now $2.00. Back then a salary of $10K/year put
you squarely in the middle class, today it's more like $100K/year. If
gas prices reach $3.00 per gallon, allowing for inflation it will
actually be no more expensive than it was 40 or 50 years ago.
--
Roger Blake
(Subtract 10 for email.)
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Re: Fuel prices aren't dropping
> From: rogblake10@iname10.com (Roger Blake)
> Organization: Ministry of Silly Walks
> Newsgroups:
> alt.autos.4x4.chevy-trucks,alt.autos.acura,alt.autos.alfa-romeo,alt.autos.anti
> que,alt.autos.audi
> Date: Tue, 06 Apr 2004 16:19:48 GMT
> Subject: Re: Fuel prices aren't dropping
>
> On Tue, 06 Apr 2004 00:51:47 -0400, R G Crook <crook@execulink.com> wrote:
>> the years. Get used to higher prices and drive smaller more efficient
>> vehicles
>
> No. Not everyone wants to drive around in Euro-style tin cans. The
> reason that gas prices are so much higher in the rest of the world is
> due to confiscatory taxation used to prop up socialist welfare states.
> If that's what Europeans want they are welcome to keep it, we don't want
> any part of it here.
>
> For a little perspective, here in the U.S. Gasoline back in the 1950s
> and 1960s was about 28 cents a gallon, sometimes a bit less with the
> "gas wars" that would break out between stations in a given area. That
> was at a time when most people were driving large cars that got 10 to
> 15 miles per gallon. (Of course there were penny-pinchers who drove
> Ramblers and VWs, etc., but the typical car was a full-sized vehicle
> with V8.)
>
> Excepting electronics, inflation since that time has been about 10x.
> The nickel candy bar of the day now costs 50 cents (at least), the 20
> cent loaf of bread is now $2.00. Back then a salary of $10K/year put
> you squarely in the middle class, today it's more like $100K/year. If
> gas prices reach $3.00 per gallon, allowing for inflation it will
> actually be no more expensive than it was 40 or 50 years ago.
>
> --
> Roger Blake
> (Subtract 10 for email.)
Typical ing seppo.
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Re: Fuel prices aren't dropping
"R Crook" <crookREMOVE@execulink.com> schreef in bericht
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> Pete wrote:
> > On Fri, 27 Jun 2003 11:06:05 -0400, "Gordo" <statsman@excite.com>,
wrote:
> >
> >
> >>Why aren't fuel prices dropping like expected? There is a web site that
> >>shows a graph of fuel prices since 1995. I thought after the war we
would
> >>see a decrease
What war???
Do you consider invading a country a war??
It's a bloody shame GB ego'd and got UK & Spain behind him; hurray for
Germany and France and many other countries not supporting GB.
GB's action is one of the reasons we are getting beaten up by
attacks.
To avoid any misunderstanding:
I hate and have no sympathy for them at all even though I may
sympathize with some of the reasons behind their actions.
Just hope the fuel prices stay up there of go up further.
That's the only way we all will learn our lesson to be cautious using all
our natural resources at the rate "we" are doing.
Especially in the USA both Americans as well as the USA car manufacturers
don't seem to get it.
They only look at polution % but don't care about the rate of using fuel.
REDUCE THE FUEL CONSUMPTION!
That's the only way to leave something behind for our children when we're
gone!!
--
Ciao from Holland
AlfistaGJ (Gert-Jan)
156 SW 1.8 Madeno tuned (2000)
Montreal (1973/4)
#67
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Re: Fuel prices aren't dropping
In February the price of regular was $1.799 in Key West.
Many people use premium in vehicles that are designed to
use regular. Where I am in PA it is $1.699 now and it was
$1,499 in February.
mike hunt
Dave Smith wrote:
>
> Tell me about it, im from ne PA, premium is around $1.85, could be worse
> though. I wonder what it is down in Key West FL?
Many people use premium in vehicles that are designed to
use regular. Where I am in PA it is $1.699 now and it was
$1,499 in February.
mike hunt
Dave Smith wrote:
>
> Tell me about it, im from ne PA, premium is around $1.85, could be worse
> though. I wonder what it is down in Key West FL?
#68
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Re: Fuel prices aren't dropping
Americans pay $5.98 for a six pack of bottled water inside the
gas station then bitch about $1.80 at the gas pump. LOL
mike hunt
Roger Blake wrote:
>
> On Tue, 06 Apr 2004 00:51:47 -0400, R G Crook <crook@execulink.com> wrote:
> >the years. Get used to higher prices and drive smaller more efficient
> >vehicles
>
> No. Not everyone wants to drive around in Euro-style tin cans. The
> reason that gas prices are so much higher in the rest of the world is
> due to confiscatory taxation used to prop up socialist welfare states.
> If that's what Europeans want they are welcome to keep it, we don't want
> any part of it here.
>
> For a little perspective, here in the U.S. Gasoline back in the 1950s
> and 1960s was about 28 cents a gallon, sometimes a bit less with the
> "gas wars" that would break out between stations in a given area. That
> was at a time when most people were driving large cars that got 10 to
> 15 miles per gallon. (Of course there were penny-pinchers who drove
> Ramblers and VWs, etc., but the typical car was a full-sized vehicle
> with V8.)
>
> Excepting electronics, inflation since that time has been about 10x.
> The nickel candy bar of the day now costs 50 cents (at least), the 20
> cent loaf of bread is now $2.00. Back then a salary of $10K/year put
> you squarely in the middle class, today it's more like $100K/year. If
> gas prices reach $3.00 per gallon, allowing for inflation it will
> actually be no more expensive than it was 40 or 50 years ago.
>
> --
> Roger Blake
> (Subtract 10 for email.)
gas station then bitch about $1.80 at the gas pump. LOL
mike hunt
Roger Blake wrote:
>
> On Tue, 06 Apr 2004 00:51:47 -0400, R G Crook <crook@execulink.com> wrote:
> >the years. Get used to higher prices and drive smaller more efficient
> >vehicles
>
> No. Not everyone wants to drive around in Euro-style tin cans. The
> reason that gas prices are so much higher in the rest of the world is
> due to confiscatory taxation used to prop up socialist welfare states.
> If that's what Europeans want they are welcome to keep it, we don't want
> any part of it here.
>
> For a little perspective, here in the U.S. Gasoline back in the 1950s
> and 1960s was about 28 cents a gallon, sometimes a bit less with the
> "gas wars" that would break out between stations in a given area. That
> was at a time when most people were driving large cars that got 10 to
> 15 miles per gallon. (Of course there were penny-pinchers who drove
> Ramblers and VWs, etc., but the typical car was a full-sized vehicle
> with V8.)
>
> Excepting electronics, inflation since that time has been about 10x.
> The nickel candy bar of the day now costs 50 cents (at least), the 20
> cent loaf of bread is now $2.00. Back then a salary of $10K/year put
> you squarely in the middle class, today it's more like $100K/year. If
> gas prices reach $3.00 per gallon, allowing for inflation it will
> actually be no more expensive than it was 40 or 50 years ago.
>
> --
> Roger Blake
> (Subtract 10 for email.)
#69
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Re: Fuel prices aren't dropping
According to the EPA mileage guide a V8 Lincoln LS gets 20 MPG
city and 27 MPG highway. A V6 Camry is listed at the same 20 MPG
city and 27 MPG highway. Why drive a smaller car with a V6 when
one can drive a larger safer V8 powered car? A wimpy V6 Solara
convertible get 19 MPG city and 26 MPG highway while a high
performance Mustang GT convertible gets 18 MPG city and 24 MPG
highway. Seems to me it is hardly worth spending $5,000 more for
the Solara V6, that can barely get out of its own way, for
a measly two miles per gallon.
mike hunt
whiplash wrote:
>
> Yes but you have to consider the difference in scale between North America
> and Europe.
>
> For us, driving 30 km to work is nothing. I have to drive 10km to the
> corner store and 20km for groceries. I used to commute an hour's drive each
> way - without traffic.
>
> For instance, Canada has 9.9M km^2 of land area whereas Italy has just over
> 0.3M km^2. Where I live in the province of Ontario, we have 1.5M km^2 of
> land. If Italy were a province in Canada it would rank 4th in size out of 13
> provinces/territories.
>
> http://www.statcan.ca/english/Pgdb/phys01.htm
> http://www.theodora.com/wfb/italy_geography.html
>
> I've driven in Italy too. 80mph = 130kph and I was in the slow lane and
> getting passed. 120kph is about average on our highways here.
>
> Also consider safety : larger vehicle = better survivability
>
> Any engine under 2L is small here. I'd venture a guess that 3L V6's are the
> most popular car engine of choice. V8's are saved for pickups, SUV's and
> red necks.
>
> Ciao
>
> "Jacopo" <jacopino.bNOSPAM@tin.it> wrote in message
> news:fEscc.25454$rM4.1236987@news4.tin.it...
> > > Americans and Canadians have been spoiled with generally low prices over
> > > the years. Get used to higher prices and drive smaller more efficient
> > > vehicles
> >
> > Thanks God! I can't understand why North-Americans use cars with so big
> > engines, that more than 80 mph simply doesen't run.
> >
> > It's impossible to think of a V8 engine on a city-car, or a Van... But
> > actually, American do.
> >
> > Everyone, except someone
> >
> > --
> > Jacopo
> > Bolzano, Italia
> > --
> >
> >
city and 27 MPG highway. A V6 Camry is listed at the same 20 MPG
city and 27 MPG highway. Why drive a smaller car with a V6 when
one can drive a larger safer V8 powered car? A wimpy V6 Solara
convertible get 19 MPG city and 26 MPG highway while a high
performance Mustang GT convertible gets 18 MPG city and 24 MPG
highway. Seems to me it is hardly worth spending $5,000 more for
the Solara V6, that can barely get out of its own way, for
a measly two miles per gallon.
mike hunt
whiplash wrote:
>
> Yes but you have to consider the difference in scale between North America
> and Europe.
>
> For us, driving 30 km to work is nothing. I have to drive 10km to the
> corner store and 20km for groceries. I used to commute an hour's drive each
> way - without traffic.
>
> For instance, Canada has 9.9M km^2 of land area whereas Italy has just over
> 0.3M km^2. Where I live in the province of Ontario, we have 1.5M km^2 of
> land. If Italy were a province in Canada it would rank 4th in size out of 13
> provinces/territories.
>
> http://www.statcan.ca/english/Pgdb/phys01.htm
> http://www.theodora.com/wfb/italy_geography.html
>
> I've driven in Italy too. 80mph = 130kph and I was in the slow lane and
> getting passed. 120kph is about average on our highways here.
>
> Also consider safety : larger vehicle = better survivability
>
> Any engine under 2L is small here. I'd venture a guess that 3L V6's are the
> most popular car engine of choice. V8's are saved for pickups, SUV's and
> red necks.
>
> Ciao
>
> "Jacopo" <jacopino.bNOSPAM@tin.it> wrote in message
> news:fEscc.25454$rM4.1236987@news4.tin.it...
> > > Americans and Canadians have been spoiled with generally low prices over
> > > the years. Get used to higher prices and drive smaller more efficient
> > > vehicles
> >
> > Thanks God! I can't understand why North-Americans use cars with so big
> > engines, that more than 80 mph simply doesen't run.
> >
> > It's impossible to think of a V8 engine on a city-car, or a Van... But
> > actually, American do.
> >
> > Everyone, except someone
> >
> > --
> > Jacopo
> > Bolzano, Italia
> > --
> >
> >
#70
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Re: Fuel prices aren't dropping
Our children will be driving hydrogen powered cars, and hybrids. Do you
think that the Oil Industry with all the money that is in it doesn't produce
corrupt deals to stiffle projects that would cause the world to dramatically
reduce the use of their product, it's as lucrative as the drug industry it's
just legal (well the goods are legal). I am not much of a conspiracy
theorist but I know there must be kickbacks and such with an industry that
is in such demand the whole world over.
"Alfistagj" <alfistagjOnReplyPleaseRemoveThis@chello.nl> wrote in message
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>
> "R Crook" <crookREMOVE@execulink.com> schreef in bericht
> news:40723753.6070709@execulink.com...
> > Pete wrote:
> > > On Fri, 27 Jun 2003 11:06:05 -0400, "Gordo" <statsman@excite.com>,
> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >>Why aren't fuel prices dropping like expected? There is a web site
that
> > >>shows a graph of fuel prices since 1995. I thought after the war we
> would
> > >>see a decrease
>
> What war???
> Do you consider invading a country a war??
> It's a bloody shame GB ego'd and got UK & Spain behind him; hurray for
> Germany and France and many other countries not supporting GB.
> GB's action is one of the reasons we are getting beaten up by
> attacks.
> To avoid any misunderstanding:
> I hate and have no sympathy for them at all even though I may
> sympathize with some of the reasons behind their actions.
>
> Just hope the fuel prices stay up there of go up further.
> That's the only way we all will learn our lesson to be cautious using all
> our natural resources at the rate "we" are doing.
> Especially in the USA both Americans as well as the USA car manufacturers
> don't seem to get it.
> They only look at polution % but don't care about the rate of using fuel.
> REDUCE THE FUEL CONSUMPTION!
> That's the only way to leave something behind for our children when we're
> gone!!
> --
> Ciao from Holland
> AlfistaGJ (Gert-Jan)
> 156 SW 1.8 Madeno tuned (2000)
> Montreal (1973/4)
>
>
>
think that the Oil Industry with all the money that is in it doesn't produce
corrupt deals to stiffle projects that would cause the world to dramatically
reduce the use of their product, it's as lucrative as the drug industry it's
just legal (well the goods are legal). I am not much of a conspiracy
theorist but I know there must be kickbacks and such with an industry that
is in such demand the whole world over.
"Alfistagj" <alfistagjOnReplyPleaseRemoveThis@chello.nl> wrote in message
news:z4Ccc.7731$EV2.67865@amstwist00...
>
> "R Crook" <crookREMOVE@execulink.com> schreef in bericht
> news:40723753.6070709@execulink.com...
> > Pete wrote:
> > > On Fri, 27 Jun 2003 11:06:05 -0400, "Gordo" <statsman@excite.com>,
> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >>Why aren't fuel prices dropping like expected? There is a web site
that
> > >>shows a graph of fuel prices since 1995. I thought after the war we
> would
> > >>see a decrease
>
> What war???
> Do you consider invading a country a war??
> It's a bloody shame GB ego'd and got UK & Spain behind him; hurray for
> Germany and France and many other countries not supporting GB.
> GB's action is one of the reasons we are getting beaten up by
> attacks.
> To avoid any misunderstanding:
> I hate and have no sympathy for them at all even though I may
> sympathize with some of the reasons behind their actions.
>
> Just hope the fuel prices stay up there of go up further.
> That's the only way we all will learn our lesson to be cautious using all
> our natural resources at the rate "we" are doing.
> Especially in the USA both Americans as well as the USA car manufacturers
> don't seem to get it.
> They only look at polution % but don't care about the rate of using fuel.
> REDUCE THE FUEL CONSUMPTION!
> That's the only way to leave something behind for our children when we're
> gone!!
> --
> Ciao from Holland
> AlfistaGJ (Gert-Jan)
> 156 SW 1.8 Madeno tuned (2000)
> Montreal (1973/4)
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