I believe people that can't afford the gas to run their vehicles
should ride bicycles and public transportation or buy smaller
cars like the do in Europe. Those that want to save the planet,
and can afford them, should buy hybrids and electric cars.
Reduce the demand and the price will drop. That will make gas
cheaper for those of us that that can offered to buy and still
want to drive the big V8 cars that are far safer and more
comfortable. That way everyone gets what they want without
infringing of the rights of others to buy what they want.


mike hunt



KJ wrote:
>
> STOP REPRODUCING. That's the only way to leave something behind for ME and
> protect the world from stupidity!
>
> ~KJ~
>
> <xymergy@suds.com> wrote in message
> news:1tl670l6dlollv3uck0n0ouq9kjcc1oe1g@4ax.com...
> > On Tue, 6 Apr 2004 19:49:09 +0200, "Alfistagj"
> > <alfistagjOnReplyPleaseRemoveThis@chello.nl> wrote:
> >
> > >REDUCE THE FUEL CONSUMPTION!
> > >That's the only way to leave something behind for our children when we're
> > >gone!!
> >
> > Amen.

 

You did not think all the 'free stuff' you get in the socialized
counties of Europe was actually 'free,' did you?



mike hunt



Marc wrote:
>
> That's right. about 92% off our gasprices is taxes. That's grand theft,
> legalised.
>
> We pay here 1.20 Euro per liter for regular, 85 octan. so thats about 4.50
> to 5.00euro's per gallon.
> And today the euro is about usd 1.2085 so do the maths on this.
> Everybody, allmost, is driving small riceburners or samesized vehicles wich
> burn only about 8liters per 100Km.
> My '88 k1500 is burning LPG(liq. Propane Gas) wich costs about .40 eurocents
> per liter but uses 30 liters per 100 km. Thats how i can afford myself a
> real car.
> If i turn the switch on my fuel system it still can run on normal gas and
> guzzles down 15 liters per 100K.
> The good thing about LPG is that it's a waste product from cracking crude
> oil down to gas or diesel fuel, so selling it is pure profit for the gas
> company.
> Overhere they want to boost the use of LPG because it's enviromentally save,
> less polution and about 85% of the exhaustgasses is water.
>
> Ride free
>
> Marc
> '88 k1500 4X4
> '94 BMW R1100GS
>
> Heerlen Holland Europe

 

On Tue, 6 Apr 2004 09:21:06 -0400, "Dave Smith"
<davewsmith@adelphia.net> puked:

>Tell me about it, im from ne PA, premium is around $1.85, could be worse
>though. I wonder what it is down in Key West FL?
>

In Ft. Lauderdale it's 2.079 for premium.
--
lab~rat >
Do you want polite or do you want sincere?

 

<MajorDome@mailcity.com> schreef in bericht
news:407437C3.36242575@mailcity.com...
> From what I've read currently hydrogen is over $150 a gallon and
> fuel cells must be made in 'clean rooms' and cost about $500,000
> each to build.
>

and your point is??????//
--
Ciao from Holland
AlfistaGJ (Gert-Jan)
156 SW 1.8 Madeno tuned (2000)
Montreal (1973/4)

 

Iain Miller wrote:
>
>>but largely our motor fuel prices reflect a far lower tax rate at the
>>pump than do Europeans.
>
> Indeed. You ought to fix that (!)

Why? It's your call to tax your oil, it's our call not to. If we
wanted to be European, we'd just move over there. (And I'm *sure* you
don't want *that*.)

--
Mike Smith

 

"KJ" <searchalll@yahoo.com> schreef in bericht
news:5tGcc.48621$He5.936660@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
> Oh shut the up. You obviously don't know the first thing about
> economics.

Sorry, bachelor of economics & mechanical engineering (my parents wanted me
in college for a long time; I couldn't do any harm in the "real world" that
way!)
Studies completed in 1975/19777; it could be that something has changed
since then without me noticing ........

>Want your prices to go up?

I don't want that, but am convinced that's the only reason we all will
finally "get it" that we are robbing our children from our natural
recources.
The rate we are doing this now is ...... (fill out your own idea about this)

> LIE and say you don't have much left -
> then everyone scrambles for what you have. There is more oil out there
then
> we could burn before we all killed each other with fusion bombs.

Also a matter of economics:
Shell's CEO has been sacked recently because the were wrong about their oil
reserves.
And Shell's stock dropped 15%!!
Investors aren't fools.
By your "rule" the oil reserves and with them Shell's stock price would have
gone up in stead of down.
Lack of commodities like oil reserves will NEVER work econimically like
"simple" products on the long term.
The worlds major investors will never look at the short term, always at the
long term.
Golddiggers and daytraders look at the short term; they are the ones that
are hughly rich one day and bankrupt the other (the Donald Trumps of our
world; in Dutch we say: "A lot of wool, but no sheep"; we can do without
those kind of people)

> What rubbish.

~KJ~, from my repsons you may conclude I don't agree with you!
--
Ciao from Holland
AlfistaGJ (Gert-Jan)
156 SW 1.8 Madeno tuned (2000)
Montreal (1973/4)

 

MajorDome@mailcity.com wrote:

> KJ wrote:
>>
>> That's because it's a Ferd.
>
> One can buy a V8 Mustang GT convertible for at least $5,000
> less than a V6 Solar Convertible. The $5,000 will buy all
> of your gas for six or seven years.

But it'll still be a Ford. There's just no getting around it. ;-P

--
Mike Smith

 

KJ wrote:

> "Mike Smith" <mike_UNDERSCORE_smith@acm.DOT.org> wrote in message
> news:10767h2ohni5v1d@news.supernews.com...
>
>>does it really matter wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Our children will be driving hydrogen powered cars, and hybrids.
>>
>>And where do you think the hydrogen is going to come from? One of two
>>places:
>>
>>a) Fuel cells that extract hydrogen from *petroleum*, and
>>
>>b) Using electricity to break apart water molecules. And where is the
>>electricity going to come from? In the US, anyway, the answer is by
>>*burning petroleum*.
>
> Coal, methane

OK, fine - *fossil fuels*. You're picking at nits. Besides, we already
use plenty of coal and methane, and we *still* need to import from OPEC.

> nukes

See below. Nuclear power is essentially a lame duck in the US. No one
will allow a plant to be built within 100 miles of their home, even
though nuclear fission is by far the safest and cleanest source of power
we've got.

> or wood.

Two words: Sierra Club. They won't allow their precious forests to be
cut down just so we can keep our lights on.

>>Unless someone comes along and invents Mr. Fusion, the "hydrogen
>>economy" does not reduce our dependence upon OPEC one bit.
>>
>>--
>>Mike Smith

 

<MajorDome@mailcity.com> schreef in bericht
news:40743A30.584A0E26@mailcity.com...
> I believe people that can't afford the gas to run their vehicles
> should ride bicycles and public transportation or buy smaller
> cars like the do in Europe.

Mike, have you been to Europe lately?
Our cars are the same size as the modern USA cars, only the fuel consumption
is at least 30% lower.
And we have a great amount of highly efficient, powerful and silent (!!)
diesel engined cars, even sportcars doing over 250km/h (>150mph)!!
Diesels are even 25 to 45% more efficient than the gas/petrol ones!!!!!
Problem in the USA is the they don't have the diesel quality as in Europe.
Our diesel don't smoke like the USA trucks do becuase of a combination of
diesel engine technique and fuel quality.
The engines are soo clean that even particle filters are not needed any
more!

> Those that want to save the planet,
> and can afford them, should buy hybrids and electric cars.
> Reduce the demand and the price will drop.

When tha's were to be true you would be getting everything only you would
want for free as there would be no demand.........

> That will make gas cheaper for those of us that that can offered to buy
and still
> want to drive the big V8 cars that are far safer

Ever looked at the NACAP demolition test values of theose "small" European
cars????
They out perform EVERY modern USA gas guzzler

> and more comfortable. That way everyone gets what they want without
> infringing of the rights of others to buy what they want.
>
>
> mike hunt

To avoid any mis-unterstanding: I'm a truely Dutch social liberal ( "lefty"
in USA terms) who is proud of "our" liberal society; every one should be
free to do and act the way they like, even (especially?) when I don't agree.
A naked nipple? A marihuana joint? A real majority president? Real "free
acting" politicians? "Normal" speedlimits? No hand guns? No war?
PLEASE!
--
Ciao from Holland
AlfistaGJ (Gert-Jan)
156 SW 1.8 Madeno tuned (2000)
Montreal (1973/4)

 

On Tue, 06 Apr 2004 00:51:47 -0400, R G Crook <crook@execulink.com>
wrote:

>Pete wrote:
>> On Fri, 27 Jun 2003 11:06:05 -0400, "Gordo" <statsman@excite.com>, wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Why aren't fuel prices dropping like expected? There is a web site that
>>>shows a graph of fuel prices since 1995. I thought after the war we would
>>>see a decrease, but regular gas is up 10 cents a gallon from the same time
>>>last year. See it at www.storydata.com
>>>
>>
>> You wanted a war, now you get the bill.
>>
>> Pete
>> ========================================
>> <iowna156@clubalfa.com>
>> 156 2.0 TS (2001) - Proteo Rosso (his)
>> 147 2.0 TS (2002) - Gem Green (her's)
>> ========================================
>Americans and Canadians have been spoiled with generally low prices over
>the years. Get used to higher prices and drive smaller more efficient
>vehicles

Funny how the roads with the highest max speed or no limit are in
Europe with the highest gas prices. See the connection? Me niether.