Re: "stealth" radar installation-MB
 

In article <0z5bd.15963$NC6.6481@newsread1.mlpsca01.us.to.ver io.net>,
"tech27" <tech27@mail.anonymizer.com> wrote:

> "Noozer" <dontspam@me.here> wrote in message
> news:CA_ad.89774$a41.84778@pd7tw2no...
> >
> > "Rich Williamson" <nothere@nospam.com> wrote in message
> > news:nothere-ECB9F0.14235912102004@news.verizon.net...
> >>
> >>
> >> Does anyone have any feedback on the products found at:
> >>
> >> http://phantomplate.com/main.html
> >>
> >> I purchased their spray and the plate shield (Photoshield). I am not
> >> entirely convinced that the spray works. I took some digital flash
> >> photos of my car at night in the driveway. I found that at an angle,
> >> the spray worked and obscured my plate. Straight on, it was not so
> >> good... it gave only a partial or little reflection leaving my plate
> >> readable.
>
> That is the way it's supposed to work (at least with other products). The
> plate remains visible and therefore "legal" when looked at straight on.
> Moving off axis obscures the plate, which is what one would expect from a
> photo radar or intersection camera, which has to be off the center, or at
> least angled down from overhead.

Thats the photoshield...

The spray is the product I have the main question on...it is the product
that is supposed to reflect flash photo tickets.

> >
> > Why not just drive the speed limit like you are supposed to and stop
> > trying
> > to rob liquor stores?
>
> Why don't you post answers to questions instead of adding your own (stupid)
> comments. I don't use anything like this for my plates, but I do use a
> radar/laser detector to protect myself from speeding tickets. On our
> highways EVERYONE is driving 10-29 KPH over the limit. If I drove the speed
> limit even in the right hand lane, little old ladies in 1980's Caddy's would
> be passing me and giving me the finger.

Re: "stealth" radar installation-MB
 

In article <0z5bd.15963$NC6.6481@newsread1.mlpsca01.us.to.ver io.net>,
"tech27" <tech27@mail.anonymizer.com> wrote:

> "Noozer" <dontspam@me.here> wrote in message
> news:CA_ad.89774$a41.84778@pd7tw2no...
> >
> > "Rich Williamson" <nothere@nospam.com> wrote in message
> > news:nothere-ECB9F0.14235912102004@news.verizon.net...
> >>
> >>
> >> Does anyone have any feedback on the products found at:
> >>
> >> http://phantomplate.com/main.html
> >>
> >> I purchased their spray and the plate shield (Photoshield). I am not
> >> entirely convinced that the spray works. I took some digital flash
> >> photos of my car at night in the driveway. I found that at an angle,
> >> the spray worked and obscured my plate. Straight on, it was not so
> >> good... it gave only a partial or little reflection leaving my plate
> >> readable.


Here is the company response unedited ... any thoughts on what he says?



From: "DavidGreen@phantomplate.com" <davidgreen@phantomplate.com>
Subject: RE: problem with spray
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 18:18:40 -0400


Dear: Mr. Williamson

First and foremost, I sincerely apologize for the length it took to
respond
to this e-mail.

If you decide to take a flash photo of you license plate after it has
been
treated, don't be surprised if the plate numbers are still visible. That
doesn't mean that it won't work. You see a standard camera flash is only
a
few watts. The speed camera is setup with a 340watt "melt your eye balls"
flash unit which isn't designed to read the number plate, but designed to
pick out your face inside a dark vehicle interior. A standard camera
flash
sometimes isn't powerful enough to produce a "white out" effect. The
correct
way to test the effectiveness of our products is to use actual
photo-radar
equipment. . A personal digital camera is not a photo radar camera.
First of
all, the car has to be in motion. I don't know how you will be able to
take
an image using you personal camera. Besides, the flash technology used
will
not be comparable. The correct way to test the PhotoBlocker spray is
using a
photo radar camera. That is exactly what Fox News investigative reporters
and Denver City Police Department did. As a result PHOTOBLOCKER has
become
the best selling anti-photo radar spray product in the world. To watch
the
actual investigated reports please go to
http://www.phantomplate.com/video.html.

Sincerely
DAVID GREEN

Re: "stealth" radar installation-MB
 

In article <0z5bd.15963$NC6.6481@newsread1.mlpsca01.us.to.ver io.net>,
"tech27" <tech27@mail.anonymizer.com> wrote:

> "Noozer" <dontspam@me.here> wrote in message
> news:CA_ad.89774$a41.84778@pd7tw2no...
> >
> > "Rich Williamson" <nothere@nospam.com> wrote in message
> > news:nothere-ECB9F0.14235912102004@news.verizon.net...
> >>
> >>
> >> Does anyone have any feedback on the products found at:
> >>
> >> http://phantomplate.com/main.html
> >>
> >> I purchased their spray and the plate shield (Photoshield). I am not
> >> entirely convinced that the spray works. I took some digital flash
> >> photos of my car at night in the driveway. I found that at an angle,
> >> the spray worked and obscured my plate. Straight on, it was not so
> >> good... it gave only a partial or little reflection leaving my plate
> >> readable.


Here is the company response unedited ... any thoughts on what he says?



From: "DavidGreen@phantomplate.com" <davidgreen@phantomplate.com>
Subject: RE: problem with spray
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 18:18:40 -0400


Dear: Mr. Williamson

First and foremost, I sincerely apologize for the length it took to
respond
to this e-mail.

If you decide to take a flash photo of you license plate after it has
been
treated, don't be surprised if the plate numbers are still visible. That
doesn't mean that it won't work. You see a standard camera flash is only
a
few watts. The speed camera is setup with a 340watt "melt your eye balls"
flash unit which isn't designed to read the number plate, but designed to
pick out your face inside a dark vehicle interior. A standard camera
flash
sometimes isn't powerful enough to produce a "white out" effect. The
correct
way to test the effectiveness of our products is to use actual
photo-radar
equipment. . A personal digital camera is not a photo radar camera.
First of
all, the car has to be in motion. I don't know how you will be able to
take
an image using you personal camera. Besides, the flash technology used
will
not be comparable. The correct way to test the PhotoBlocker spray is
using a
photo radar camera. That is exactly what Fox News investigative reporters
and Denver City Police Department did. As a result PHOTOBLOCKER has
become
the best selling anti-photo radar spray product in the world. To watch
the
actual investigated reports please go to
http://www.phantomplate.com/video.html.

Sincerely
DAVID GREEN

Re: "stealth" radar installation-MB
 

> > > Does anyone have any feedback on the products found at:
> > >
> > > http://phantomplate.com/main.html
> > >
> > > I purchased their spray and the plate shield (Photoshield). I am not
> > > entirely convinced that the spray works. I took some digital flash
> > > photos of my car at night in the driveway. I found that at an angle,
> > > the spray worked and obscured my plate. Straight on, it was not so
> > > good... it gave only a partial or little reflection leaving my plate
> > > readable.
> >
> > Why not just drive the speed limit like you are supposed to and stop
trying
> > to rob liquor stores?
>
> You are kidding right....
>
> Traffic here in the Philly area goes 65 in the right lane, 70 in the
> middle lane, and 80 plus in the left one. All this in a 55mph zone.
>
> Nobody ever goes the speed limit here...it is simply a joke. It is an
> odds thing...if you drive more often, you are more likely to get stopped.
>
> I see nothing wrong with going 70mph on a clear stretch of turnpike or
> open highway in my Mercedes. The car is built to handle speeds far
> faster than this. It is perfectly safe as long as there are no lights,
> side streets, or animals (not an issue on our highways here. If you
> don't have to weave or ride up on other people why not ride faster...?

It's called the Law. If you don't like the speed limit, bitch to your
politicians to change it.

....no wonder so many kids can't respect anything - neither can their
parents.

Re: "stealth" radar installation-MB
 

> > > Does anyone have any feedback on the products found at:
> > >
> > > http://phantomplate.com/main.html
> > >
> > > I purchased their spray and the plate shield (Photoshield). I am not
> > > entirely convinced that the spray works. I took some digital flash
> > > photos of my car at night in the driveway. I found that at an angle,
> > > the spray worked and obscured my plate. Straight on, it was not so
> > > good... it gave only a partial or little reflection leaving my plate
> > > readable.
> >
> > Why not just drive the speed limit like you are supposed to and stop
trying
> > to rob liquor stores?
>
> You are kidding right....
>
> Traffic here in the Philly area goes 65 in the right lane, 70 in the
> middle lane, and 80 plus in the left one. All this in a 55mph zone.
>
> Nobody ever goes the speed limit here...it is simply a joke. It is an
> odds thing...if you drive more often, you are more likely to get stopped.
>
> I see nothing wrong with going 70mph on a clear stretch of turnpike or
> open highway in my Mercedes. The car is built to handle speeds far
> faster than this. It is perfectly safe as long as there are no lights,
> side streets, or animals (not an issue on our highways here. If you
> don't have to weave or ride up on other people why not ride faster...?

It's called the Law. If you don't like the speed limit, bitch to your
politicians to change it.

....no wonder so many kids can't respect anything - neither can their
parents.

Re: "stealth" radar installation-MB
 

In article <RJvbd.98956$a41.29010@pd7tw2no>,
"Noozer" <dontspam@me.here> wrote:

> > > > Does anyone have any feedback on the products found at:
> > > >
> > > > http://phantomplate.com/main.html
> > > >
> > > > I purchased their spray and the plate shield (Photoshield). I am not
> > > > entirely convinced that the spray works. I took some digital flash
> > > > photos of my car at night in the driveway. I found that at an angle,
> > > > the spray worked and obscured my plate. Straight on, it was not so
> > > > good... it gave only a partial or little reflection leaving my plate
> > > > readable.
> > >
> > > Why not just drive the speed limit like you are supposed to and stop
> trying
> > > to rob liquor stores?
> >
> > You are kidding right....
> >
> > Traffic here in the Philly area goes 65 in the right lane, 70 in the
> > middle lane, and 80 plus in the left one. All this in a 55mph zone.
> >
> > Nobody ever goes the speed limit here...it is simply a joke. It is an
> > odds thing...if you drive more often, you are more likely to get stopped.
> >
> > I see nothing wrong with going 70mph on a clear stretch of turnpike or
> > open highway in my Mercedes. The car is built to handle speeds far
> > faster than this. It is perfectly safe as long as there are no lights,
> > side streets, or animals (not an issue on our highways here. If you
> > don't have to weave or ride up on other people why not ride faster...?
>
> It's called the Law. If you don't like the speed limit, bitch to your
> politicians to change it.
>
> ...no wonder so many kids can't respect anything - neither can their
> parents.

Your comments don't appear to be grounded in reality. You are either
very naive or live in a rural area and are retired and have nowhere to
go on a regular basis.

Do you actually live in the USA?

The insurance lobby is far more powerful than the average citizen. They
have continually lobbied for things like lower speed limits and helmet
laws.

The police departments see speeding as a great revenue source... why
would they change the limits to reflect the speeds that the general
public wants to drive?

If they raised the speed limits they would lose a large revenue stream,
and have nothing to do (thereby having to lower the workforce... what do
you think the police unions would have to say about that?).

86% of the drivers on the highway are routinely exceeding the speed
limit.

What does this tell you?

It tells you that the general public wants to drive faster, but "big
brother" in the form of politicians that are being lobbied by various
causes (including the insurance lobby) are being coerced into keeping
the speed limits lower.

It is purely a statistical situation. The police know we all speed, and
they write tickets on 1% of the speeders. The tickets do nothing or
little to change the behavior.

Those of us who disagree, have no desire (and know it will do no good)
to launch a personal campaign against the wealthy powerful insurance
industry and Police unions. instead we choose to use technology to
fight back.

You can disagree if you want... that's what makes america such a great
place.

Re: "stealth" radar installation-MB
 

In article <RJvbd.98956$a41.29010@pd7tw2no>,
"Noozer" <dontspam@me.here> wrote:

> > > > Does anyone have any feedback on the products found at:
> > > >
> > > > http://phantomplate.com/main.html
> > > >
> > > > I purchased their spray and the plate shield (Photoshield). I am not
> > > > entirely convinced that the spray works. I took some digital flash
> > > > photos of my car at night in the driveway. I found that at an angle,
> > > > the spray worked and obscured my plate. Straight on, it was not so
> > > > good... it gave only a partial or little reflection leaving my plate
> > > > readable.
> > >
> > > Why not just drive the speed limit like you are supposed to and stop
> trying
> > > to rob liquor stores?
> >
> > You are kidding right....
> >
> > Traffic here in the Philly area goes 65 in the right lane, 70 in the
> > middle lane, and 80 plus in the left one. All this in a 55mph zone.
> >
> > Nobody ever goes the speed limit here...it is simply a joke. It is an
> > odds thing...if you drive more often, you are more likely to get stopped.
> >
> > I see nothing wrong with going 70mph on a clear stretch of turnpike or
> > open highway in my Mercedes. The car is built to handle speeds far
> > faster than this. It is perfectly safe as long as there are no lights,
> > side streets, or animals (not an issue on our highways here. If you
> > don't have to weave or ride up on other people why not ride faster...?
>
> It's called the Law. If you don't like the speed limit, bitch to your
> politicians to change it.
>
> ...no wonder so many kids can't respect anything - neither can their
> parents.

Your comments don't appear to be grounded in reality. You are either
very naive or live in a rural area and are retired and have nowhere to
go on a regular basis.

Do you actually live in the USA?

The insurance lobby is far more powerful than the average citizen. They
have continually lobbied for things like lower speed limits and helmet
laws.

The police departments see speeding as a great revenue source... why
would they change the limits to reflect the speeds that the general
public wants to drive?

If they raised the speed limits they would lose a large revenue stream,
and have nothing to do (thereby having to lower the workforce... what do
you think the police unions would have to say about that?).

86% of the drivers on the highway are routinely exceeding the speed
limit.

What does this tell you?

It tells you that the general public wants to drive faster, but "big
brother" in the form of politicians that are being lobbied by various
causes (including the insurance lobby) are being coerced into keeping
the speed limits lower.

It is purely a statistical situation. The police know we all speed, and
they write tickets on 1% of the speeders. The tickets do nothing or
little to change the behavior.

Those of us who disagree, have no desire (and know it will do no good)
to launch a personal campaign against the wealthy powerful insurance
industry and Police unions. instead we choose to use technology to
fight back.

You can disagree if you want... that's what makes america such a great
place.

Re: "stealth" radar installation-MB
 

In the UK the motorway speed limit is 70 mph (the lowest in western Europe).
It is said (but never written...) that the police won't stop you below 85
mph. The long-term casuality rate is down, though nothing to do with the
speed limit.

The police are in favour of raising the speed limit to 80 or 85 mph.
Politicians talk about doing something, but nothing gets done. But now we
have had speed cameras run wild, not just in accident blackspots, together
with automatic tickets sent throught the post.

Result: huge increase in traffic offenders, speeding tickets issued and
REVENUE...

Already some speed cameras are being illegally removed or defaced because
they clearly play no role in making the roads safer.

From my own experience I can tell you that where there are no cameras the
'natural' speed of traffic is 80 - 85 mph, though I have been
bumper-to-bumper on a fully loaded motorway at 90 mph which, I concede, is
a touch hair-raising. On an empty road I have no trouble exceeding 100 mph
safely, though rarely in the UK.

Once I was stopped by the police at 100.6 mph. It was a fine, dry sunny
evening in summer. There were two policeman in their vehicle. The older
one was ready to let me go with a caution, readily admitting that the road
conditions were safe and that there had been no danger to anybody.
(Unfortunately the younger one was keen to pursue the matter, so I wound up
with a courtcase, a fine of about USD 150 - 200 and some points on my
licence, which was quite mild, considering. I suppose it would have been
worse at 101.0+ mph.)

The point is that low speed limits, perhaps enacted in another age or
special circumstances, make the law an ass. Or a revenue earner.

DAS
--
For direct contact replace nospam with schmetterling
---

"Rich Williamson" <nothere@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:nothere-827A50.10513114102004@news.verizon.net...
[....]

> Your comments don't appear to be grounded in reality. You are either
> very naive or live in a rural area and are retired and have nowhere to
> go on a regular basis.
>
> Do you actually live in the USA?
>
[.........]
> The tickets do nothing or
> little to change the behavior.
>
[.....]

Re: "stealth" radar installation-MB
 

In the UK the motorway speed limit is 70 mph (the lowest in western Europe).
It is said (but never written...) that the police won't stop you below 85
mph. The long-term casuality rate is down, though nothing to do with the
speed limit.

The police are in favour of raising the speed limit to 80 or 85 mph.
Politicians talk about doing something, but nothing gets done. But now we
have had speed cameras run wild, not just in accident blackspots, together
with automatic tickets sent throught the post.

Result: huge increase in traffic offenders, speeding tickets issued and
REVENUE...

Already some speed cameras are being illegally removed or defaced because
they clearly play no role in making the roads safer.

From my own experience I can tell you that where there are no cameras the
'natural' speed of traffic is 80 - 85 mph, though I have been
bumper-to-bumper on a fully loaded motorway at 90 mph which, I concede, is
a touch hair-raising. On an empty road I have no trouble exceeding 100 mph
safely, though rarely in the UK.

Once I was stopped by the police at 100.6 mph. It was a fine, dry sunny
evening in summer. There were two policeman in their vehicle. The older
one was ready to let me go with a caution, readily admitting that the road
conditions were safe and that there had been no danger to anybody.
(Unfortunately the younger one was keen to pursue the matter, so I wound up
with a courtcase, a fine of about USD 150 - 200 and some points on my
licence, which was quite mild, considering. I suppose it would have been
worse at 101.0+ mph.)

The point is that low speed limits, perhaps enacted in another age or
special circumstances, make the law an ass. Or a revenue earner.

DAS
--
For direct contact replace nospam with schmetterling
---

"Rich Williamson" <nothere@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:nothere-827A50.10513114102004@news.verizon.net...
[....]

> Your comments don't appear to be grounded in reality. You are either
> very naive or live in a rural area and are retired and have nowhere to
> go on a regular basis.
>
> Do you actually live in the USA?
>
[.........]
> The tickets do nothing or
> little to change the behavior.
>
[.....]

Re: "stealth" radar installation-MB
 

> > > > Why not just drive the speed limit like you are supposed to and stop
> > trying
> > > > to rob liquor stores?
> > >
> > > You are kidding right....
> > >
> > > Traffic here in the Philly area goes 65 in the right lane, 70 in the
> > > middle lane, and 80 plus in the left one. All this in a 55mph zone.
> > >
> > > Nobody ever goes the speed limit here...it is simply a joke. It is an
> > > odds thing...if you drive more often, you are more likely to get
stopped.
> > >
> > > I see nothing wrong with going 70mph on a clear stretch of turnpike or
> > > open highway in my Mercedes. The car is built to handle speeds far
> > > faster than this. It is perfectly safe as long as there are no
lights,
> > > side streets, or animals (not an issue on our highways here. If you
> > > don't have to weave or ride up on other people why not ride faster...?
> >
> > It's called the Law. If you don't like the speed limit, bitch to your
> > politicians to change it.
> >
> > ...no wonder so many kids can't respect anything - neither can their
> > parents.
>
> Your comments don't appear to be grounded in reality. You are either
> very naive or live in a rural area and are retired and have nowhere to
> go on a regular basis.

So it's OK to break into your home and steal your TV as long as I don't get
caught?

Same laws, same police...

It's not the speeding, it's the lawbreaking. As long as folks see that it's
fine to break the law whenever it suits them the world will keep on it's
downward spiral.

Sept 11 was nothing more than a few folks breaking the law... Seems far
fetched, but 25 years ago most folks wouldn't have ever considered that
something so nasty would happen.

Anyhow, my last rant on the topic.