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Does anyone have any feedback on the products found at: http://phantomplate.com/main.html I purchased their spray and the plate shield (Photoshield). I am not entirely convinced that the spray works. I took some digital flash photos of my car at night in the driveway. I found that at an angle, the spray worked and obscured my plate. Straight on, it was not so good... it gave only a partial or little reflection leaving my plate readable. I asked the company tech guy about it (and sent him the photos), and his reply was that a flash on a home digital camera is only intended for 10-15 feet, and that the flash used in photo radar is 10X stronger and brighter...therefore it would reflect using that type of flash. I am not sure if I believe this or not...while it may make sense in theory,I don't really want to test it in the real world. How about daytime traffic light or photoradar...wouldn't that need a lower flash level? Does the equipment adjust for ambient light? I am tempted to respray and add more product, but don't know if this helps or hurts the performance. It does dull the plate, and it looks like it is starting to build up. I put 5 or 6 coats on the plate (two separate plates 6 each). The Photoshield cover works as advertised... the only negative comment I would have is that it is not as "undetectable" as stated. You can see that there is something "distorting" the plate if you got out of your car beheind me, and were walking up to my car (as a cop would do at a traffic stop). I am unsure if it is truly legal (the plate cover)... while it may be technically legal, it might get you hassled for using it. I welcome any comments or advice from people who have used it or know more about traffic light or stationary photo radar. thanks, Rich |
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"Rich Williamson" <nothere@nospam.com> wrote in message news:nothere-ECB9F0.14235912102004@news.verizon.net... > > > Does anyone have any feedback on the products found at: > > http://phantomplate.com/main.html > > I purchased their spray and the plate shield (Photoshield). I am not > entirely convinced that the spray works. I took some digital flash > photos of my car at night in the driveway. I found that at an angle, > the spray worked and obscured my plate. Straight on, it was not so > good... it gave only a partial or little reflection leaving my plate > readable. Why not just drive the speed limit like you are supposed to and stop trying to rob liquor stores? |
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"Rich Williamson" <nothere@nospam.com> wrote in message news:nothere-ECB9F0.14235912102004@news.verizon.net... > > > Does anyone have any feedback on the products found at: > > http://phantomplate.com/main.html > > I purchased their spray and the plate shield (Photoshield). I am not > entirely convinced that the spray works. I took some digital flash > photos of my car at night in the driveway. I found that at an angle, > the spray worked and obscured my plate. Straight on, it was not so > good... it gave only a partial or little reflection leaving my plate > readable. Why not just drive the speed limit like you are supposed to and stop trying to rob liquor stores? |
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"Noozer" <dontspam@me.here> wrote in message news:CA_ad.89774$a41.84778@pd7tw2no... > > "Rich Williamson" <nothere@nospam.com> wrote in message > news:nothere-ECB9F0.14235912102004@news.verizon.net... >> >> >> Does anyone have any feedback on the products found at: >> >> http://phantomplate.com/main.html >> >> I purchased their spray and the plate shield (Photoshield). I am not >> entirely convinced that the spray works. I took some digital flash >> photos of my car at night in the driveway. I found that at an angle, >> the spray worked and obscured my plate. Straight on, it was not so >> good... it gave only a partial or little reflection leaving my plate >> readable. That is the way it's supposed to work (at least with other products). The plate remains visible and therefore "legal" when looked at straight on. Moving off axis obscures the plate, which is what one would expect from a photo radar or intersection camera, which has to be off the center, or at least angled down from overhead. > > Why not just drive the speed limit like you are supposed to and stop > trying > to rob liquor stores? Why don't you post answers to questions instead of adding your own (stupid) comments. I don't use anything like this for my plates, but I do use a radar/laser detector to protect myself from speeding tickets. On our highways EVERYONE is driving 10-29 KPH over the limit. If I drove the speed limit even in the right hand lane, little old ladies in 1980's Caddy's would be passing me and giving me the finger. |
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"Noozer" <dontspam@me.here> wrote in message news:CA_ad.89774$a41.84778@pd7tw2no... > > "Rich Williamson" <nothere@nospam.com> wrote in message > news:nothere-ECB9F0.14235912102004@news.verizon.net... >> >> >> Does anyone have any feedback on the products found at: >> >> http://phantomplate.com/main.html >> >> I purchased their spray and the plate shield (Photoshield). I am not >> entirely convinced that the spray works. I took some digital flash >> photos of my car at night in the driveway. I found that at an angle, >> the spray worked and obscured my plate. Straight on, it was not so >> good... it gave only a partial or little reflection leaving my plate >> readable. That is the way it's supposed to work (at least with other products). The plate remains visible and therefore "legal" when looked at straight on. Moving off axis obscures the plate, which is what one would expect from a photo radar or intersection camera, which has to be off the center, or at least angled down from overhead. > > Why not just drive the speed limit like you are supposed to and stop > trying > to rob liquor stores? Why don't you post answers to questions instead of adding your own (stupid) comments. I don't use anything like this for my plates, but I do use a radar/laser detector to protect myself from speeding tickets. On our highways EVERYONE is driving 10-29 KPH over the limit. If I drove the speed limit even in the right hand lane, little old ladies in 1980's Caddy's would be passing me and giving me the finger. |
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From the website it looks like you are in US/CA. In the UK modifying with
the number plate is illegal. However, amazing how many muddy plates there were when the congestion charge -- enforced through cameras -- was introduced in London. DAS -- For direct contact replace nospam with schmetterling --- "Rich Williamson" <nothere@nospam.com> wrote in message news:nothere-ECB9F0.14235912102004@news.verizon.net... > > > Does anyone have any feedback on the products found at: > > http://phantomplate.com/main.html > > I purchased their spray and the plate shield (Photoshield). I am not > entirely convinced that the spray works. I took some digital flash > photos of my car at night in the driveway. I found that at an angle, > the spray worked and obscured my plate. Straight on, it was not so > good... it gave only a partial or little reflection leaving my plate > readable. > > I asked the company tech guy about it (and sent him the photos), and his > reply was that a flash on a home digital camera is only intended for > 10-15 feet, and that the flash used in photo radar is 10X stronger and > brighter...therefore it would reflect using that type of flash. > > I am not sure if I believe this or not...while it may make sense in > theory,I don't really want to test it in the real world. How about > daytime traffic light or photoradar...wouldn't that need a lower flash > level? Does the equipment adjust for ambient light? > > I am tempted to respray and add more product, but don't know if this > helps or hurts the performance. It does dull the plate, and it looks > like it is starting to build up. I put 5 or 6 coats on the plate (two > separate plates 6 each). > > The Photoshield cover works as advertised... the only negative comment I > would have is that it is not as "undetectable" as stated. You can see > that there is something "distorting" the plate if you got out of your > car beheind me, and were walking up to my car (as a cop would do at a > traffic stop). > > I am unsure if it is truly legal (the plate cover)... while it may be > technically legal, it might get you hassled for using it. > > I welcome any comments or advice from people who have used it or know > more about traffic light or stationary photo radar. > > thanks, > > Rich |
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From the website it looks like you are in US/CA. In the UK modifying with
the number plate is illegal. However, amazing how many muddy plates there were when the congestion charge -- enforced through cameras -- was introduced in London. DAS -- For direct contact replace nospam with schmetterling --- "Rich Williamson" <nothere@nospam.com> wrote in message news:nothere-ECB9F0.14235912102004@news.verizon.net... > > > Does anyone have any feedback on the products found at: > > http://phantomplate.com/main.html > > I purchased their spray and the plate shield (Photoshield). I am not > entirely convinced that the spray works. I took some digital flash > photos of my car at night in the driveway. I found that at an angle, > the spray worked and obscured my plate. Straight on, it was not so > good... it gave only a partial or little reflection leaving my plate > readable. > > I asked the company tech guy about it (and sent him the photos), and his > reply was that a flash on a home digital camera is only intended for > 10-15 feet, and that the flash used in photo radar is 10X stronger and > brighter...therefore it would reflect using that type of flash. > > I am not sure if I believe this or not...while it may make sense in > theory,I don't really want to test it in the real world. How about > daytime traffic light or photoradar...wouldn't that need a lower flash > level? Does the equipment adjust for ambient light? > > I am tempted to respray and add more product, but don't know if this > helps or hurts the performance. It does dull the plate, and it looks > like it is starting to build up. I put 5 or 6 coats on the plate (two > separate plates 6 each). > > The Photoshield cover works as advertised... the only negative comment I > would have is that it is not as "undetectable" as stated. You can see > that there is something "distorting" the plate if you got out of your > car beheind me, and were walking up to my car (as a cop would do at a > traffic stop). > > I am unsure if it is truly legal (the plate cover)... while it may be > technically legal, it might get you hassled for using it. > > I welcome any comments or advice from people who have used it or know > more about traffic light or stationary photo radar. > > thanks, > > Rich |
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In article <CA_ad.89774$a41.84778@pd7tw2no>,
"Noozer" <dontspam@me.here> wrote: > "Rich Williamson" <nothere@nospam.com> wrote in message > news:nothere-ECB9F0.14235912102004@news.verizon.net... > > > > > > Does anyone have any feedback on the products found at: > > > > http://phantomplate.com/main.html > > > > I purchased their spray and the plate shield (Photoshield). I am not > > entirely convinced that the spray works. I took some digital flash > > photos of my car at night in the driveway. I found that at an angle, > > the spray worked and obscured my plate. Straight on, it was not so > > good... it gave only a partial or little reflection leaving my plate > > readable. > > Why not just drive the speed limit like you are supposed to and stop trying > to rob liquor stores? You are kidding right.... Traffic here in the Philly area goes 65 in the right lane, 70 in the middle lane, and 80 plus in the left one. All this in a 55mph zone. Nobody ever goes the speed limit here...it is simply a joke. It is an odds thing...if you drive more often, you are more likely to get stopped. I see nothing wrong with going 70mph on a clear stretch of turnpike or open highway in my Mercedes. The car is built to handle speeds far faster than this. It is perfectly safe as long as there are no lights, side streets, or animals (not an issue on our highways here. If you don't have to weave or ride up on other people why not ride faster...? |
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In article <CA_ad.89774$a41.84778@pd7tw2no>,
"Noozer" <dontspam@me.here> wrote: > "Rich Williamson" <nothere@nospam.com> wrote in message > news:nothere-ECB9F0.14235912102004@news.verizon.net... > > > > > > Does anyone have any feedback on the products found at: > > > > http://phantomplate.com/main.html > > > > I purchased their spray and the plate shield (Photoshield). I am not > > entirely convinced that the spray works. I took some digital flash > > photos of my car at night in the driveway. I found that at an angle, > > the spray worked and obscured my plate. Straight on, it was not so > > good... it gave only a partial or little reflection leaving my plate > > readable. > > Why not just drive the speed limit like you are supposed to and stop trying > to rob liquor stores? You are kidding right.... Traffic here in the Philly area goes 65 in the right lane, 70 in the middle lane, and 80 plus in the left one. All this in a 55mph zone. Nobody ever goes the speed limit here...it is simply a joke. It is an odds thing...if you drive more often, you are more likely to get stopped. I see nothing wrong with going 70mph on a clear stretch of turnpike or open highway in my Mercedes. The car is built to handle speeds far faster than this. It is perfectly safe as long as there are no lights, side streets, or animals (not an issue on our highways here. If you don't have to weave or ride up on other people why not ride faster...? |
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In article <0z5bd.15963$NC6.6481@newsread1.mlpsca01.us.to.ver io.net>,
"tech27" <tech27@mail.anonymizer.com> wrote: > "Noozer" <dontspam@me.here> wrote in message > news:CA_ad.89774$a41.84778@pd7tw2no... > > > > "Rich Williamson" <nothere@nospam.com> wrote in message > > news:nothere-ECB9F0.14235912102004@news.verizon.net... > >> > >> > >> Does anyone have any feedback on the products found at: > >> > >> http://phantomplate.com/main.html > >> > >> I purchased their spray and the plate shield (Photoshield). I am not > >> entirely convinced that the spray works. I took some digital flash > >> photos of my car at night in the driveway. I found that at an angle, > >> the spray worked and obscured my plate. Straight on, it was not so > >> good... it gave only a partial or little reflection leaving my plate > >> readable. > > That is the way it's supposed to work (at least with other products). The > plate remains visible and therefore "legal" when looked at straight on. > Moving off axis obscures the plate, which is what one would expect from a > photo radar or intersection camera, which has to be off the center, or at > least angled down from overhead. Thats the photoshield... The spray is the product I have the main question on...it is the product that is supposed to reflect flash photo tickets. > > > > Why not just drive the speed limit like you are supposed to and stop > > trying > > to rob liquor stores? > > Why don't you post answers to questions instead of adding your own (stupid) > comments. I don't use anything like this for my plates, but I do use a > radar/laser detector to protect myself from speeding tickets. On our > highways EVERYONE is driving 10-29 KPH over the limit. If I drove the speed > limit even in the right hand lane, little old ladies in 1980's Caddy's would > be passing me and giving me the finger. |
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In article <0z5bd.15963$NC6.6481@newsread1.mlpsca01.us.to.ver io.net>,
"tech27" <tech27@mail.anonymizer.com> wrote: > "Noozer" <dontspam@me.here> wrote in message > news:CA_ad.89774$a41.84778@pd7tw2no... > > > > "Rich Williamson" <nothere@nospam.com> wrote in message > > news:nothere-ECB9F0.14235912102004@news.verizon.net... > >> > >> > >> Does anyone have any feedback on the products found at: > >> > >> http://phantomplate.com/main.html > >> > >> I purchased their spray and the plate shield (Photoshield). I am not > >> entirely convinced that the spray works. I took some digital flash > >> photos of my car at night in the driveway. I found that at an angle, > >> the spray worked and obscured my plate. Straight on, it was not so > >> good... it gave only a partial or little reflection leaving my plate > >> readable. > > That is the way it's supposed to work (at least with other products). The > plate remains visible and therefore "legal" when looked at straight on. > Moving off axis obscures the plate, which is what one would expect from a > photo radar or intersection camera, which has to be off the center, or at > least angled down from overhead. Thats the photoshield... The spray is the product I have the main question on...it is the product that is supposed to reflect flash photo tickets. > > > > Why not just drive the speed limit like you are supposed to and stop > > trying > > to rob liquor stores? > > Why don't you post answers to questions instead of adding your own (stupid) > comments. I don't use anything like this for my plates, but I do use a > radar/laser detector to protect myself from speeding tickets. On our > highways EVERYONE is driving 10-29 KPH over the limit. If I drove the speed > limit even in the right hand lane, little old ladies in 1980's Caddy's would > be passing me and giving me the finger. |
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In article <0z5bd.15963$NC6.6481@newsread1.mlpsca01.us.to.ver io.net>,
"tech27" <tech27@mail.anonymizer.com> wrote: > "Noozer" <dontspam@me.here> wrote in message > news:CA_ad.89774$a41.84778@pd7tw2no... > > > > "Rich Williamson" <nothere@nospam.com> wrote in message > > news:nothere-ECB9F0.14235912102004@news.verizon.net... > >> > >> > >> Does anyone have any feedback on the products found at: > >> > >> http://phantomplate.com/main.html > >> > >> I purchased their spray and the plate shield (Photoshield). I am not > >> entirely convinced that the spray works. I took some digital flash > >> photos of my car at night in the driveway. I found that at an angle, > >> the spray worked and obscured my plate. Straight on, it was not so > >> good... it gave only a partial or little reflection leaving my plate > >> readable. Here is the company response unedited ... any thoughts on what he says? From: "DavidGreen@phantomplate.com" <davidgreen@phantomplate.com> Subject: RE: problem with spray Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 18:18:40 -0400 Dear: Mr. Williamson First and foremost, I sincerely apologize for the length it took to respond to this e-mail. If you decide to take a flash photo of you license plate after it has been treated, don't be surprised if the plate numbers are still visible. That doesn't mean that it won't work. You see a standard camera flash is only a few watts. The speed camera is setup with a 340watt "melt your eye balls" flash unit which isn't designed to read the number plate, but designed to pick out your face inside a dark vehicle interior. A standard camera flash sometimes isn't powerful enough to produce a "white out" effect. The correct way to test the effectiveness of our products is to use actual photo-radar equipment. . A personal digital camera is not a photo radar camera. First of all, the car has to be in motion. I don't know how you will be able to take an image using you personal camera. Besides, the flash technology used will not be comparable. The correct way to test the PhotoBlocker spray is using a photo radar camera. That is exactly what Fox News investigative reporters and Denver City Police Department did. As a result PHOTOBLOCKER has become the best selling anti-photo radar spray product in the world. To watch the actual investigated reports please go to http://www.phantomplate.com/video.html. Sincerely DAVID GREEN |
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In article <0z5bd.15963$NC6.6481@newsread1.mlpsca01.us.to.ver io.net>,
"tech27" <tech27@mail.anonymizer.com> wrote: > "Noozer" <dontspam@me.here> wrote in message > news:CA_ad.89774$a41.84778@pd7tw2no... > > > > "Rich Williamson" <nothere@nospam.com> wrote in message > > news:nothere-ECB9F0.14235912102004@news.verizon.net... > >> > >> > >> Does anyone have any feedback on the products found at: > >> > >> http://phantomplate.com/main.html > >> > >> I purchased their spray and the plate shield (Photoshield). I am not > >> entirely convinced that the spray works. I took some digital flash > >> photos of my car at night in the driveway. I found that at an angle, > >> the spray worked and obscured my plate. Straight on, it was not so > >> good... it gave only a partial or little reflection leaving my plate > >> readable. Here is the company response unedited ... any thoughts on what he says? From: "DavidGreen@phantomplate.com" <davidgreen@phantomplate.com> Subject: RE: problem with spray Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 18:18:40 -0400 Dear: Mr. Williamson First and foremost, I sincerely apologize for the length it took to respond to this e-mail. If you decide to take a flash photo of you license plate after it has been treated, don't be surprised if the plate numbers are still visible. That doesn't mean that it won't work. You see a standard camera flash is only a few watts. The speed camera is setup with a 340watt "melt your eye balls" flash unit which isn't designed to read the number plate, but designed to pick out your face inside a dark vehicle interior. A standard camera flash sometimes isn't powerful enough to produce a "white out" effect. The correct way to test the effectiveness of our products is to use actual photo-radar equipment. . A personal digital camera is not a photo radar camera. First of all, the car has to be in motion. I don't know how you will be able to take an image using you personal camera. Besides, the flash technology used will not be comparable. The correct way to test the PhotoBlocker spray is using a photo radar camera. That is exactly what Fox News investigative reporters and Denver City Police Department did. As a result PHOTOBLOCKER has become the best selling anti-photo radar spray product in the world. To watch the actual investigated reports please go to http://www.phantomplate.com/video.html. Sincerely DAVID GREEN |
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> > > Does anyone have any feedback on the products found at:
> > > > > > http://phantomplate.com/main.html > > > > > > I purchased their spray and the plate shield (Photoshield). I am not > > > entirely convinced that the spray works. I took some digital flash > > > photos of my car at night in the driveway. I found that at an angle, > > > the spray worked and obscured my plate. Straight on, it was not so > > > good... it gave only a partial or little reflection leaving my plate > > > readable. > > > > Why not just drive the speed limit like you are supposed to and stop trying > > to rob liquor stores? > > You are kidding right.... > > Traffic here in the Philly area goes 65 in the right lane, 70 in the > middle lane, and 80 plus in the left one. All this in a 55mph zone. > > Nobody ever goes the speed limit here...it is simply a joke. It is an > odds thing...if you drive more often, you are more likely to get stopped. > > I see nothing wrong with going 70mph on a clear stretch of turnpike or > open highway in my Mercedes. The car is built to handle speeds far > faster than this. It is perfectly safe as long as there are no lights, > side streets, or animals (not an issue on our highways here. If you > don't have to weave or ride up on other people why not ride faster...? It's called the Law. If you don't like the speed limit, bitch to your politicians to change it. ....no wonder so many kids can't respect anything - neither can their parents. |
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> > > Does anyone have any feedback on the products found at:
> > > > > > http://phantomplate.com/main.html > > > > > > I purchased their spray and the plate shield (Photoshield). I am not > > > entirely convinced that the spray works. I took some digital flash > > > photos of my car at night in the driveway. I found that at an angle, > > > the spray worked and obscured my plate. Straight on, it was not so > > > good... it gave only a partial or little reflection leaving my plate > > > readable. > > > > Why not just drive the speed limit like you are supposed to and stop trying > > to rob liquor stores? > > You are kidding right.... > > Traffic here in the Philly area goes 65 in the right lane, 70 in the > middle lane, and 80 plus in the left one. All this in a 55mph zone. > > Nobody ever goes the speed limit here...it is simply a joke. It is an > odds thing...if you drive more often, you are more likely to get stopped. > > I see nothing wrong with going 70mph on a clear stretch of turnpike or > open highway in my Mercedes. The car is built to handle speeds far > faster than this. It is perfectly safe as long as there are no lights, > side streets, or animals (not an issue on our highways here. If you > don't have to weave or ride up on other people why not ride faster...? It's called the Law. If you don't like the speed limit, bitch to your politicians to change it. ....no wonder so many kids can't respect anything - neither can their parents. |
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In article <RJvbd.98956$a41.29010@pd7tw2no>,
"Noozer" <dontspam@me.here> wrote: > > > > Does anyone have any feedback on the products found at: > > > > > > > > http://phantomplate.com/main.html > > > > > > > > I purchased their spray and the plate shield (Photoshield). I am not > > > > entirely convinced that the spray works. I took some digital flash > > > > photos of my car at night in the driveway. I found that at an angle, > > > > the spray worked and obscured my plate. Straight on, it was not so > > > > good... it gave only a partial or little reflection leaving my plate > > > > readable. > > > > > > Why not just drive the speed limit like you are supposed to and stop > trying > > > to rob liquor stores? > > > > You are kidding right.... > > > > Traffic here in the Philly area goes 65 in the right lane, 70 in the > > middle lane, and 80 plus in the left one. All this in a 55mph zone. > > > > Nobody ever goes the speed limit here...it is simply a joke. It is an > > odds thing...if you drive more often, you are more likely to get stopped. > > > > I see nothing wrong with going 70mph on a clear stretch of turnpike or > > open highway in my Mercedes. The car is built to handle speeds far > > faster than this. It is perfectly safe as long as there are no lights, > > side streets, or animals (not an issue on our highways here. If you > > don't have to weave or ride up on other people why not ride faster...? > > It's called the Law. If you don't like the speed limit, bitch to your > politicians to change it. > > ...no wonder so many kids can't respect anything - neither can their > parents. Your comments don't appear to be grounded in reality. You are either very naive or live in a rural area and are retired and have nowhere to go on a regular basis. Do you actually live in the USA? The insurance lobby is far more powerful than the average citizen. They have continually lobbied for things like lower speed limits and helmet laws. The police departments see speeding as a great revenue source... why would they change the limits to reflect the speeds that the general public wants to drive? If they raised the speed limits they would lose a large revenue stream, and have nothing to do (thereby having to lower the workforce... what do you think the police unions would have to say about that?). 86% of the drivers on the highway are routinely exceeding the speed limit. What does this tell you? It tells you that the general public wants to drive faster, but "big brother" in the form of politicians that are being lobbied by various causes (including the insurance lobby) are being coerced into keeping the speed limits lower. It is purely a statistical situation. The police know we all speed, and they write tickets on 1% of the speeders. The tickets do nothing or little to change the behavior. Those of us who disagree, have no desire (and know it will do no good) to launch a personal campaign against the wealthy powerful insurance industry and Police unions. instead we choose to use technology to fight back. You can disagree if you want... that's what makes america such a great place. |
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In article <RJvbd.98956$a41.29010@pd7tw2no>,
"Noozer" <dontspam@me.here> wrote: > > > > Does anyone have any feedback on the products found at: > > > > > > > > http://phantomplate.com/main.html > > > > > > > > I purchased their spray and the plate shield (Photoshield). I am not > > > > entirely convinced that the spray works. I took some digital flash > > > > photos of my car at night in the driveway. I found that at an angle, > > > > the spray worked and obscured my plate. Straight on, it was not so > > > > good... it gave only a partial or little reflection leaving my plate > > > > readable. > > > > > > Why not just drive the speed limit like you are supposed to and stop > trying > > > to rob liquor stores? > > > > You are kidding right.... > > > > Traffic here in the Philly area goes 65 in the right lane, 70 in the > > middle lane, and 80 plus in the left one. All this in a 55mph zone. > > > > Nobody ever goes the speed limit here...it is simply a joke. It is an > > odds thing...if you drive more often, you are more likely to get stopped. > > > > I see nothing wrong with going 70mph on a clear stretch of turnpike or > > open highway in my Mercedes. The car is built to handle speeds far > > faster than this. It is perfectly safe as long as there are no lights, > > side streets, or animals (not an issue on our highways here. If you > > don't have to weave or ride up on other people why not ride faster...? > > It's called the Law. If you don't like the speed limit, bitch to your > politicians to change it. > > ...no wonder so many kids can't respect anything - neither can their > parents. Your comments don't appear to be grounded in reality. You are either very naive or live in a rural area and are retired and have nowhere to go on a regular basis. Do you actually live in the USA? The insurance lobby is far more powerful than the average citizen. They have continually lobbied for things like lower speed limits and helmet laws. The police departments see speeding as a great revenue source... why would they change the limits to reflect the speeds that the general public wants to drive? If they raised the speed limits they would lose a large revenue stream, and have nothing to do (thereby having to lower the workforce... what do you think the police unions would have to say about that?). 86% of the drivers on the highway are routinely exceeding the speed limit. What does this tell you? It tells you that the general public wants to drive faster, but "big brother" in the form of politicians that are being lobbied by various causes (including the insurance lobby) are being coerced into keeping the speed limits lower. It is purely a statistical situation. The police know we all speed, and they write tickets on 1% of the speeders. The tickets do nothing or little to change the behavior. Those of us who disagree, have no desire (and know it will do no good) to launch a personal campaign against the wealthy powerful insurance industry and Police unions. instead we choose to use technology to fight back. You can disagree if you want... that's what makes america such a great place. |
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In the UK the motorway speed limit is 70 mph (the lowest in western Europe).
It is said (but never written...) that the police won't stop you below 85 mph. The long-term casuality rate is down, though nothing to do with the speed limit. The police are in favour of raising the speed limit to 80 or 85 mph. Politicians talk about doing something, but nothing gets done. But now we have had speed cameras run wild, not just in accident blackspots, together with automatic tickets sent throught the post. Result: huge increase in traffic offenders, speeding tickets issued and REVENUE... Already some speed cameras are being illegally removed or defaced because they clearly play no role in making the roads safer. From my own experience I can tell you that where there are no cameras the 'natural' speed of traffic is 80 - 85 mph, though I have been bumper-to-bumper on a fully loaded motorway at 90 mph which, I concede, is a touch hair-raising. On an empty road I have no trouble exceeding 100 mph safely, though rarely in the UK. Once I was stopped by the police at 100.6 mph. It was a fine, dry sunny evening in summer. There were two policeman in their vehicle. The older one was ready to let me go with a caution, readily admitting that the road conditions were safe and that there had been no danger to anybody. (Unfortunately the younger one was keen to pursue the matter, so I wound up with a courtcase, a fine of about USD 150 - 200 and some points on my licence, which was quite mild, considering. I suppose it would have been worse at 101.0+ mph.) The point is that low speed limits, perhaps enacted in another age or special circumstances, make the law an ass. Or a revenue earner. DAS -- For direct contact replace nospam with schmetterling --- "Rich Williamson" <nothere@nospam.com> wrote in message news:nothere-827A50.10513114102004@news.verizon.net... [....] > Your comments don't appear to be grounded in reality. You are either > very naive or live in a rural area and are retired and have nowhere to > go on a regular basis. > > Do you actually live in the USA? > [.........] > The tickets do nothing or > little to change the behavior. > [.....] |
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In the UK the motorway speed limit is 70 mph (the lowest in western Europe).
It is said (but never written...) that the police won't stop you below 85 mph. The long-term casuality rate is down, though nothing to do with the speed limit. The police are in favour of raising the speed limit to 80 or 85 mph. Politicians talk about doing something, but nothing gets done. But now we have had speed cameras run wild, not just in accident blackspots, together with automatic tickets sent throught the post. Result: huge increase in traffic offenders, speeding tickets issued and REVENUE... Already some speed cameras are being illegally removed or defaced because they clearly play no role in making the roads safer. From my own experience I can tell you that where there are no cameras the 'natural' speed of traffic is 80 - 85 mph, though I have been bumper-to-bumper on a fully loaded motorway at 90 mph which, I concede, is a touch hair-raising. On an empty road I have no trouble exceeding 100 mph safely, though rarely in the UK. Once I was stopped by the police at 100.6 mph. It was a fine, dry sunny evening in summer. There were two policeman in their vehicle. The older one was ready to let me go with a caution, readily admitting that the road conditions were safe and that there had been no danger to anybody. (Unfortunately the younger one was keen to pursue the matter, so I wound up with a courtcase, a fine of about USD 150 - 200 and some points on my licence, which was quite mild, considering. I suppose it would have been worse at 101.0+ mph.) The point is that low speed limits, perhaps enacted in another age or special circumstances, make the law an ass. Or a revenue earner. DAS -- For direct contact replace nospam with schmetterling --- "Rich Williamson" <nothere@nospam.com> wrote in message news:nothere-827A50.10513114102004@news.verizon.net... [....] > Your comments don't appear to be grounded in reality. You are either > very naive or live in a rural area and are retired and have nowhere to > go on a regular basis. > > Do you actually live in the USA? > [.........] > The tickets do nothing or > little to change the behavior. > [.....] |
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> > > > Why not just drive the speed limit like you are supposed to and stop
> > trying > > > > to rob liquor stores? > > > > > > You are kidding right.... > > > > > > Traffic here in the Philly area goes 65 in the right lane, 70 in the > > > middle lane, and 80 plus in the left one. All this in a 55mph zone. > > > > > > Nobody ever goes the speed limit here...it is simply a joke. It is an > > > odds thing...if you drive more often, you are more likely to get stopped. > > > > > > I see nothing wrong with going 70mph on a clear stretch of turnpike or > > > open highway in my Mercedes. The car is built to handle speeds far > > > faster than this. It is perfectly safe as long as there are no lights, > > > side streets, or animals (not an issue on our highways here. If you > > > don't have to weave or ride up on other people why not ride faster...? > > > > It's called the Law. If you don't like the speed limit, bitch to your > > politicians to change it. > > > > ...no wonder so many kids can't respect anything - neither can their > > parents. > > Your comments don't appear to be grounded in reality. You are either > very naive or live in a rural area and are retired and have nowhere to > go on a regular basis. So it's OK to break into your home and steal your TV as long as I don't get caught? Same laws, same police... It's not the speeding, it's the lawbreaking. As long as folks see that it's fine to break the law whenever it suits them the world will keep on it's downward spiral. Sept 11 was nothing more than a few folks breaking the law... Seems far fetched, but 25 years ago most folks wouldn't have ever considered that something so nasty would happen. Anyhow, my last rant on the topic. |
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> > > > Why not just drive the speed limit like you are supposed to and stop
> > trying > > > > to rob liquor stores? > > > > > > You are kidding right.... > > > > > > Traffic here in the Philly area goes 65 in the right lane, 70 in the > > > middle lane, and 80 plus in the left one. All this in a 55mph zone. > > > > > > Nobody ever goes the speed limit here...it is simply a joke. It is an > > > odds thing...if you drive more often, you are more likely to get stopped. > > > > > > I see nothing wrong with going 70mph on a clear stretch of turnpike or > > > open highway in my Mercedes. The car is built to handle speeds far > > > faster than this. It is perfectly safe as long as there are no lights, > > > side streets, or animals (not an issue on our highways here. If you > > > don't have to weave or ride up on other people why not ride faster...? > > > > It's called the Law. If you don't like the speed limit, bitch to your > > politicians to change it. > > > > ...no wonder so many kids can't respect anything - neither can their > > parents. > > Your comments don't appear to be grounded in reality. You are either > very naive or live in a rural area and are retired and have nowhere to > go on a regular basis. So it's OK to break into your home and steal your TV as long as I don't get caught? Same laws, same police... It's not the speeding, it's the lawbreaking. As long as folks see that it's fine to break the law whenever it suits them the world will keep on it's downward spiral. Sept 11 was nothing more than a few folks breaking the law... Seems far fetched, but 25 years ago most folks wouldn't have ever considered that something so nasty would happen. Anyhow, my last rant on the topic. |
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"Noozer" <dontspam@me.here> wrote in message news:ztybd.100586$a41.37351@pd7tw2no... > > > > > Why not just drive the speed limit like you are supposed to and stop > > > trying > > > > > to rob liquor stores? > > > > > > > > You are kidding right.... > > > > > > > > Traffic here in the Philly area goes 65 in the right lane, 70 in the > > > > middle lane, and 80 plus in the left one. All this in a 55mph zone. > > > > > > > > Nobody ever goes the speed limit here...it is simply a joke. It is an > > > > odds thing...if you drive more often, you are more likely to get > stopped. > > > > > > > > I see nothing wrong with going 70mph on a clear stretch of turnpike or > > > > open highway in my Mercedes. The car is built to handle speeds far > > > > faster than this. It is perfectly safe as long as there are no > lights, > > > > side streets, or animals (not an issue on our highways here. If you > > > > don't have to weave or ride up on other people why not ride faster...? > > > > > > It's called the Law. If you don't like the speed limit, bitch to your > > > politicians to change it. > > > > > > ...no wonder so many kids can't respect anything - neither can their > > > parents. > > > > Your comments don't appear to be grounded in reality. You are either > > very naive or live in a rural area and are retired and have nowhere to > > go on a regular basis. > > So it's OK to break into your home and steal your TV as long as I don't get > caught? > > Same laws, same police... > > It's not the speeding, it's the lawbreaking. As long as folks see that it's > fine to break the law whenever it suits them the world will keep on it's > downward spiral. > > Sept 11 was nothing more than a few folks breaking the law... Seems far > fetched, but 25 years ago most folks wouldn't have ever considered that > something so nasty would happen. > > Anyhow, my last rant on the topic. > > That's a good thing too. The law does not say you can't speed, it has nothing to do with it. Speeding is a Highway Traffic Act (HTA, section 128) offence, not a criminal offence. Romy |
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"Noozer" <dontspam@me.here> wrote in message news:ztybd.100586$a41.37351@pd7tw2no... > > > > > Why not just drive the speed limit like you are supposed to and stop > > > trying > > > > > to rob liquor stores? > > > > > > > > You are kidding right.... > > > > > > > > Traffic here in the Philly area goes 65 in the right lane, 70 in the > > > > middle lane, and 80 plus in the left one. All this in a 55mph zone. > > > > > > > > Nobody ever goes the speed limit here...it is simply a joke. It is an > > > > odds thing...if you drive more often, you are more likely to get > stopped. > > > > > > > > I see nothing wrong with going 70mph on a clear stretch of turnpike or > > > > open highway in my Mercedes. The car is built to handle speeds far > > > > faster than this. It is perfectly safe as long as there are no > lights, > > > > side streets, or animals (not an issue on our highways here. If you > > > > don't have to weave or ride up on other people why not ride faster...? > > > > > > It's called the Law. If you don't like the speed limit, bitch to your > > > politicians to change it. > > > > > > ...no wonder so many kids can't respect anything - neither can their > > > parents. > > > > Your comments don't appear to be grounded in reality. You are either > > very naive or live in a rural area and are retired and have nowhere to > > go on a regular basis. > > So it's OK to break into your home and steal your TV as long as I don't get > caught? > > Same laws, same police... > > It's not the speeding, it's the lawbreaking. As long as folks see that it's > fine to break the law whenever it suits them the world will keep on it's > downward spiral. > > Sept 11 was nothing more than a few folks breaking the law... Seems far > fetched, but 25 years ago most folks wouldn't have ever considered that > something so nasty would happen. > > Anyhow, my last rant on the topic. > > That's a good thing too. The law does not say you can't speed, it has nothing to do with it. Speeding is a Highway Traffic Act (HTA, section 128) offence, not a criminal offence. Romy |
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Noozer <dontspam@me.here> writes: > It's called the Law. If you don't like the speed limit, bitch > to your politicians to change it. Bad laws get disobeyed. Wide disobedience is often a major reason why such laws eventually get changed. Two examples that come immediately to mind are Prohibition and the NMSL. Besides, one can conform to the intent of speed limits (driving safely) without necessarily conforming to the letter of the law. "Laws are for the obedience of fools and for the guidance of wise men." > ...no wonder so many kids can't respect anything - neither can > their parents. Oh, please... Geoff (another satisfied Valentine One owner) -- "Are you a little sick of being told that you ought to be ashamed, as an American, because the French don't respect us? Why doesn't anyone ever ask whether we respect them?" -- Jay Nordlinger |
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Noozer <dontspam@me.here> writes: > It's called the Law. If you don't like the speed limit, bitch > to your politicians to change it. Bad laws get disobeyed. Wide disobedience is often a major reason why such laws eventually get changed. Two examples that come immediately to mind are Prohibition and the NMSL. Besides, one can conform to the intent of speed limits (driving safely) without necessarily conforming to the letter of the law. "Laws are for the obedience of fools and for the guidance of wise men." > ...no wonder so many kids can't respect anything - neither can > their parents. Oh, please... Geoff (another satisfied Valentine One owner) -- "Are you a little sick of being told that you ought to be ashamed, as an American, because the French don't respect us? Why doesn't anyone ever ask whether we respect them?" -- Jay Nordlinger |
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"Dori A Schmetterling" <ng@nospam.co.uk> wrote in message
news:416e9b26$0$20233$cc9e4d1f@news-text.dial.pipex.com... > Once I was stopped by the police at 100.6 mph. It was a fine, dry sunny > evening in summer. lemme ask you something on a related subject, insurance; in the USofA, if you get a speeding ticket, your insurance goes up, get another speeding ticket inside of 12 months, and your insurance goes up like a Saturn V rocket... On the other hand, here in Germany, get a speeding ticket, and nothing happens to your insurance, get another ticket, and more nothing happens to your insurance... Is there a link between speeding and insurance in the UK? |
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"Dori A Schmetterling" <ng@nospam.co.uk> wrote in message
news:416e9b26$0$20233$cc9e4d1f@news-text.dial.pipex.com... > Once I was stopped by the police at 100.6 mph. It was a fine, dry sunny > evening in summer. lemme ask you something on a related subject, insurance; in the USofA, if you get a speeding ticket, your insurance goes up, get another speeding ticket inside of 12 months, and your insurance goes up like a Saturn V rocket... On the other hand, here in Germany, get a speeding ticket, and nothing happens to your insurance, get another ticket, and more nothing happens to your insurance... Is there a link between speeding and insurance in the UK? |
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Holden McThynge wrote:
> Is there a link between speeding and insurance in the UK? Ho yus. You currently get three points on your licence per minor infraction (say 40 in a 30) and disqualified at 12 points. Most insurance companies ignore the first 3, but start upping the premium after that. -- Scott Where are we going and why am I in this handbasket? |
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Holden McThynge wrote:
> Is there a link between speeding and insurance in the UK? Ho yus. You currently get three points on your licence per minor infraction (say 40 in a 30) and disqualified at 12 points. Most insurance companies ignore the first 3, but start upping the premium after that. -- Scott Where are we going and why am I in this handbasket? |
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"Scott M" <smorris_12@delete_this.yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:416FAFE3.ECEA1A94@delete_this.yahoo.com... > Holden McThynge wrote: > >> Is there a link between speeding and insurance in the UK? > > Ho yus. You currently get three points on your licence per minor > infraction (say 40 in a 30) and disqualified at 12 points. Most > insurance companies ignore the first 3, but start upping the premium > after that. you get three points here as well at any speed 10% over the posted speed (111K in a posted 100K zone). your license does the *Dead Parrot Sketch* at 12. (you can opt to take evening driving refresher courses which cost a couple hundred Euro, which neutralize two or three points). You can also receive three of the finest for blood alcohol of 0.05. |
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"Scott M" <smorris_12@delete_this.yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:416FAFE3.ECEA1A94@delete_this.yahoo.com... > Holden McThynge wrote: > >> Is there a link between speeding and insurance in the UK? > > Ho yus. You currently get three points on your licence per minor > infraction (say 40 in a 30) and disqualified at 12 points. Most > insurance companies ignore the first 3, but start upping the premium > after that. you get three points here as well at any speed 10% over the posted speed (111K in a posted 100K zone). your license does the *Dead Parrot Sketch* at 12. (you can opt to take evening driving refresher courses which cost a couple hundred Euro, which neutralize two or three points). You can also receive three of the finest for blood alcohol of 0.05. |
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Finest what? Cuts? Do you live on the Isle of Man...? (Well, probably not
as you refer to km). DAS -- For direct contact replace nospam with schmetterling --- "Holden McThynge" <holden_mcthynge@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:ckol92$33d$01$1@news.t-online.com... [...] > You can also receive three of the finest for blood alcohol of 0.05. > |
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Finest what? Cuts? Do you live on the Isle of Man...? (Well, probably not
as you refer to km). DAS -- For direct contact replace nospam with schmetterling --- "Holden McThynge" <holden_mcthynge@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:ckol92$33d$01$1@news.t-online.com... [...] > You can also receive three of the finest for blood alcohol of 0.05. > |
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I (in UK) didn't recollect getting asked about my points when renewing my
insurance, just for my money... DAS -- For direct contact replace nospam with schmetterling --- "Scott M" <smorris_12@delete_this.yahoo.com> wrote in message news:416FAFE3.ECEA1A94@delete_this.yahoo.com... > Holden McThynge wrote: > >> Is there a link between speeding and insurance in the UK? > > Ho yus. You currently get three points on your licence per minor > infraction (say 40 in a 30) and disqualified at 12 points. Most > insurance companies ignore the first 3, but start upping the premium > after that. > > -- > Scott > > Where are we going and why am I in this handbasket? |
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I (in UK) didn't recollect getting asked about my points when renewing my
insurance, just for my money... DAS -- For direct contact replace nospam with schmetterling --- "Scott M" <smorris_12@delete_this.yahoo.com> wrote in message news:416FAFE3.ECEA1A94@delete_this.yahoo.com... > Holden McThynge wrote: > >> Is there a link between speeding and insurance in the UK? > > Ho yus. You currently get three points on your licence per minor > infraction (say 40 in a 30) and disqualified at 12 points. Most > insurance companies ignore the first 3, but start upping the premium > after that. > > -- > Scott > > Where are we going and why am I in this handbasket? |
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You can invalidate your insurance if you do not disclose any changes,
including fines. Oldun "Dori A Schmetterling" <ng@nospam.co.uk> wrote in message news:41700d7d$0$2305$cc9e4d1f@news-text.dial.pipex.com... >I (in UK) didn't recollect getting asked about my points when renewing my >insurance, > just for my money... > > DAS > -- > For direct contact replace nospam with schmetterling > --- > > "Scott M" <smorris_12@delete_this.yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:416FAFE3.ECEA1A94@delete_this.yahoo.com... >> Holden McThynge wrote: >> >>> Is there a link between speeding and insurance in the UK? >> >> Ho yus. You currently get three points on your licence per minor >> infraction (say 40 in a 30) and disqualified at 12 points. Most >> insurance companies ignore the first 3, but start upping the premium >> after that. >> >> -- >> Scott >> >> Where are we going and why am I in this handbasket? > > > |
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You can invalidate your insurance if you do not disclose any changes,
including fines. Oldun "Dori A Schmetterling" <ng@nospam.co.uk> wrote in message news:41700d7d$0$2305$cc9e4d1f@news-text.dial.pipex.com... >I (in UK) didn't recollect getting asked about my points when renewing my >insurance, > just for my money... > > DAS > -- > For direct contact replace nospam with schmetterling > --- > > "Scott M" <smorris_12@delete_this.yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:416FAFE3.ECEA1A94@delete_this.yahoo.com... >> Holden McThynge wrote: >> >>> Is there a link between speeding and insurance in the UK? >> >> Ho yus. You currently get three points on your licence per minor >> infraction (say 40 in a 30) and disqualified at 12 points. Most >> insurance companies ignore the first 3, but start upping the premium >> after that. >> >> -- >> Scott >> >> Where are we going and why am I in this handbasket? > > > |
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"Holden McThynge" <holden_mcthynge@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:ckol92$33d$01$1@news.t-online.com... > "Scott M" <smorris_12@delete_this.yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:416FAFE3.ECEA1A94@delete_this.yahoo.com... > > Holden McThynge wrote: > > > >> Is there a link between speeding and insurance in the UK? > > > > Ho yus. You currently get three points on your licence per minor > > infraction (say 40 in a 30) and disqualified at 12 points. Most > > insurance companies ignore the first 3, but start upping the premium > > after that. > > you get three points here as well at any speed 10% over the posted speed > (111K in a posted 100K zone). your license does the *Dead Parrot Sketch* at > 12. (you can opt to take evening driving refresher courses which cost a > couple hundred Euro, which neutralize two or three points). You can also > receive three of the finest for blood alcohol of 0.05. The original system involved a severity thing, with three points being the maximum awarded. There is probably someone, somewhere, that has received /less/ than the maximum three points for a particular offence. Never heard of them, though. I don't advocate bad driving, but let's have a thought experiment - take someone who speeds through a red light, and then makes a turn before noticing the blue flashing lights in his rear-view. Well, lessee.. three points for the speeding, three for the lights, and three for not noticing Mr. Copper (well, to be honest, he might let you off with a very appropriate lecture; the cameras, however, won't). So let's call that 9 points in one shot. Assuming that you can still afford to drive, let it be known that one camera flash will remove your license for at least a year. If you were riding a bike at the time, then sell it - the /difference/ in your insurance for the next year will likely cost more than the bike. 100mph+ or anything alcohol related is an instant 12 points and an instant ban. Starts at one year minimum, runs to (I think) five years to /life/. IIRC, any points you already have get transferred to your new replacement license (fee payable, naturally). Hate drink-driving, but also hate the arbitrary limits - having seen an 18 year old secretary cut paint around a door lock after half a pint, it's hard to believe that certain heavier drinkers are significantly more dangerous after 2 pints... (I exclude myself from this - my days of going to a country pub and drinking a pint of ale are long gone, in this sort of political climate [as are most of the pubs!]. I now count units so that I'm at zero before even getting into my car the next morning, let alone on the same day..) -- Hairy One Kenobi Disclaimer: the opinions expressed in this opinion do not necessarily reflect the opinions of the highly-opinionated person expressing the opinion in the first place. So there! |
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"Holden McThynge" <holden_mcthynge@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:ckol92$33d$01$1@news.t-online.com... > "Scott M" <smorris_12@delete_this.yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:416FAFE3.ECEA1A94@delete_this.yahoo.com... > > Holden McThynge wrote: > > > >> Is there a link between speeding and insurance in the UK? > > > > Ho yus. You currently get three points on your licence per minor > > infraction (say 40 in a 30) and disqualified at 12 points. Most > > insurance companies ignore the first 3, but start upping the premium > > after that. > > you get three points here as well at any speed 10% over the posted speed > (111K in a posted 100K zone). your license does the *Dead Parrot Sketch* at > 12. (you can opt to take evening driving refresher courses which cost a > couple hundred Euro, which neutralize two or three points). You can also > receive three of the finest for blood alcohol of 0.05. The original system involved a severity thing, with three points being the maximum awarded. There is probably someone, somewhere, that has received /less/ than the maximum three points for a particular offence. Never heard of them, though. I don't advocate bad driving, but let's have a thought experiment - take someone who speeds through a red light, and then makes a turn before noticing the blue flashing lights in his rear-view. Well, lessee.. three points for the speeding, three for the lights, and three for not noticing Mr. Copper (well, to be honest, he might let you off with a very appropriate lecture; the cameras, however, won't). So let's call that 9 points in one shot. Assuming that you can still afford to drive, let it be known that one camera flash will remove your license for at least a year. If you were riding a bike at the time, then sell it - the /difference/ in your insurance for the next year will likely cost more than the bike. 100mph+ or anything alcohol related is an instant 12 points and an instant ban. Starts at one year minimum, runs to (I think) five years to /life/. IIRC, any points you already have get transferred to your new replacement license (fee payable, naturally). Hate drink-driving, but also hate the arbitrary limits - having seen an 18 year old secretary cut paint around a door lock after half a pint, it's hard to believe that certain heavier drinkers are significantly more dangerous after 2 pints... (I exclude myself from this - my days of going to a country pub and drinking a pint of ale are long gone, in this sort of political climate [as are most of the pubs!]. I now count units so that I'm at zero before even getting into my car the next morning, let alone on the same day..) -- Hairy One Kenobi Disclaimer: the opinions expressed in this opinion do not necessarily reflect the opinions of the highly-opinionated person expressing the opinion in the first place. So there! |
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On Thu, 14 Oct 2004 17:14:07 GMT, "Noozer" <dontspam@me.here> wrote:
>> Your comments don't appear to be grounded in reality. You are either >> very naive or live in a rural area and are retired and have nowhere to >> go on a regular basis. > >So it's OK to break into your home and steal your TV as long as I don't get >caught? I guess you're too stupid to understand the difference between a crime which hurts others, and a victimless "crime" like the vast majority of "speeding" is. |
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