Quattro Expense
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Re: Quattro Expense
Tha Ghee writes:
>some local oil change places put them in the same category as normal 4x4s.
(?) I don't know where you live, but you are either misinformed and/or stupid.
Oil changes here in New England cost the same, regardless what kind of a car.
The Quattro drive has absolutely nothing to do with an oil change.
>if the Quatt. system goes out it's very expensive to fix more than a FWD/RWD
>car so that is a BIG extra expense.
'
Apparently you haven't been reading this thread, or if you have, you have a
reading impairment. Everyone has given testimony that Quattro never fails. It
is bullet proof. I rallied two different Quattros over some miserable roads at
speeds that would scare the hell out of you, with never a Quattro failure. In
fact, I have never even *heard* of Quattro failing.
There is traction control that's
>similar to AWD,
I'll tell ya what, Bunky. You get in your track-sheon control car, and I'll
get in a beat to crap Audi Quattro, an old 130 bhp wheezer, and we'll race on
some ice - using the same kind of tires. At the end of the day, you'll believe
in Quattro.
never said that the tires have premature wear rotate them
>and there will be no problem, just pointing out that all 4 have to be
>replaced that's a large expense
Rotate your tires with your front driver. Quattro drivers do too. However,
the skins on your front tires are going to wear a helluva lot faster than the
tires on a Quattro. While it is true that the rear tires of a fwd receive less
wear, the fronts receive twice the wear of a Q. You'll end up buying four
tires for you fwd about the same time I'll buy four for my Qs.
Dave
http://hometown.aol.com/davplac/myhomepage/index.html
>some local oil change places put them in the same category as normal 4x4s.
(?) I don't know where you live, but you are either misinformed and/or stupid.
Oil changes here in New England cost the same, regardless what kind of a car.
The Quattro drive has absolutely nothing to do with an oil change.
>if the Quatt. system goes out it's very expensive to fix more than a FWD/RWD
>car so that is a BIG extra expense.
'
Apparently you haven't been reading this thread, or if you have, you have a
reading impairment. Everyone has given testimony that Quattro never fails. It
is bullet proof. I rallied two different Quattros over some miserable roads at
speeds that would scare the hell out of you, with never a Quattro failure. In
fact, I have never even *heard* of Quattro failing.
There is traction control that's
>similar to AWD,
I'll tell ya what, Bunky. You get in your track-sheon control car, and I'll
get in a beat to crap Audi Quattro, an old 130 bhp wheezer, and we'll race on
some ice - using the same kind of tires. At the end of the day, you'll believe
in Quattro.
never said that the tires have premature wear rotate them
>and there will be no problem, just pointing out that all 4 have to be
>replaced that's a large expense
Rotate your tires with your front driver. Quattro drivers do too. However,
the skins on your front tires are going to wear a helluva lot faster than the
tires on a Quattro. While it is true that the rear tires of a fwd receive less
wear, the fronts receive twice the wear of a Q. You'll end up buying four
tires for you fwd about the same time I'll buy four for my Qs.
Dave
http://hometown.aol.com/davplac/myhomepage/index.html
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Re: Quattro Expense
On Thu, 8 Jan 2004 16:52:19 -0500, "Tha Ghee" <grewatson@yahoo.com> did the
deep-water two-step while he wrote:
>>
>some local oil change places put them in the same category as normal 4x4s.
Go to smarter oil change places. Problem solved.
>if the Quatt. system goes out it's very expensive to fix more than a FWD/RWD
>car so that is a BIG extra expense.
If the automatic transmission in your Yugo goes out, that'd be a HUGE expense
for you. The question then is: do Yugo transmissions fail?
You've already been told the quattro (small q, please) system is not known to
fail, hence the expense of replacing it for vast majority of owners is never
incurred.
Can you say the same thing about your Yugo?
>There is traction control that's similar to AWD
That statement reflects either an utter lack of understanding of what AWD
means vs what traction control does, or it is simply an example of a poorly
stated point. Your pick.
>never said that the tires have premature wear rotate them
>and there will be no problem
You brought up tires as an issue - don't make me go back and copy your
original post or I'll get cranky. You have since been told that tire life may
actually be superior with quattro.
>just pointing out that all 4 have to be replaced that's a large expense
No, that's not what you said. *I* pointed out that tires for a quattro are
bought in fours. Whether a unrepairable tire can simply be replaced with a new
but identical tire depends on wear, which in the end isn't all that different
from 2WD...
/daytripper
'00 s4 6spd
deep-water two-step while he wrote:
>>
>some local oil change places put them in the same category as normal 4x4s.
Go to smarter oil change places. Problem solved.
>if the Quatt. system goes out it's very expensive to fix more than a FWD/RWD
>car so that is a BIG extra expense.
If the automatic transmission in your Yugo goes out, that'd be a HUGE expense
for you. The question then is: do Yugo transmissions fail?
You've already been told the quattro (small q, please) system is not known to
fail, hence the expense of replacing it for vast majority of owners is never
incurred.
Can you say the same thing about your Yugo?
>There is traction control that's similar to AWD
That statement reflects either an utter lack of understanding of what AWD
means vs what traction control does, or it is simply an example of a poorly
stated point. Your pick.
>never said that the tires have premature wear rotate them
>and there will be no problem
You brought up tires as an issue - don't make me go back and copy your
original post or I'll get cranky. You have since been told that tire life may
actually be superior with quattro.
>just pointing out that all 4 have to be replaced that's a large expense
No, that's not what you said. *I* pointed out that tires for a quattro are
bought in fours. Whether a unrepairable tire can simply be replaced with a new
but identical tire depends on wear, which in the end isn't all that different
from 2WD...
/daytripper
'00 s4 6spd
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Re: Quattro Expense
On 08 Jan 2004 15:23:40 GMT, davplac@aol.comPirate (Dave LaCourse)
wrote:
>In all the years I've
>driven Quattros, I have never had to replace tires prematurely because one
>failed. But, when I do replace them because of normal wear, I buy four (of
>course!)
OK, but now I have a situation with snow tires where one was punctured
in the side wall after 10k miles and replaced under road hazard
warranty; will this one new tire create problems with my differential?
My independent garage assures me it won't.
wrote:
>In all the years I've
>driven Quattros, I have never had to replace tires prematurely because one
>failed. But, when I do replace them because of normal wear, I buy four (of
>course!)
OK, but now I have a situation with snow tires where one was punctured
in the side wall after 10k miles and replaced under road hazard
warranty; will this one new tire create problems with my differential?
My independent garage assures me it won't.
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Re: Quattro Expense
On Thu, 8 Jan 2004 16:47:25 -0500, "Tha Ghee" <grewatson@yahoo.com> wrote:
>"daytripper" <day_trippr@REMOVEyahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:hompvvoqj2u3atuj7bc6hn3omhtoia9o3s@4ax.com.. .
>> >There are some, the higher fuel use
>>
>> 3 or 4%, already noted
>>
>> >more expensive oil changes
>>
>> Nope
>>
>and when it >comes to replacing tires you have to buy pairs not a single
>tire, so there are many factors that can make the Quatt. more expensive.
>>
>> Actually, you have to buy four at a time but on the up side the tires
>> *may* last longer than had they been mounted on a FWD or RWD car.
>> Tire wear is phenomenally even in my experience...
>>
>> /daytripper
>> '00 s4 6spd
>call your local oil change places and they will charge you more, same class
>as 4x4,
Wrong. Are you being intentionally obtuse on this matter, or do you routinely
get robbed by your "local oil change places"?
Clue: The oil pan on my S4 is exactly in the same place as it is on a 32v NA
FWD A4. And my dealer charges me exactly the same price as if I had a 32v NA
FWD A4 and used the same oil.
>I bet the diff. is more than 3-4%
Then you'd still be guessing wrong.
>look at a pickup with 4x4 it's more than 10%.
Clue: we're not talking about pickups.
>more expensive insurance
Ah, you're throwing in some fresh red herring. Nice.
Pray tell us, exactly why an otherwise identical car of the same replacement
cost would cost more to insure because all four wheels are driven?
>and the tire thing is a big thing,
No, it isn't a "big thing", unless you're driving a car too far above your
financial condition. The average annualized cost of tires on a quattro car is
most likely identical or better to the fwd version, due to the even tire wear,
and for the same reason is likely as good as any rwd car of similar size and
weight.
>in other cars the non-drive wheels get less wear so they last longer.
Hilarious! And so wrong. You've never seen the front tires on a Ford 2WD
pickup truck with the "twin I-beam suspension" after 10K miles. If you had
ever actually owned a RWD car for a few years you would never have come to
that conclusion. And if you owned a FWD car you'd probably be sobbing about
how quickly the front tires wear out.
Ya know, telling *quattro owners* how much it costs to maintain *their*
quattro cars was a non-starter from the get-go. That you persist in your
nonsense is telling...
/daytripper
'00 s4 6spd
>"daytripper" <day_trippr@REMOVEyahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:hompvvoqj2u3atuj7bc6hn3omhtoia9o3s@4ax.com.. .
>> >There are some, the higher fuel use
>>
>> 3 or 4%, already noted
>>
>> >more expensive oil changes
>>
>> Nope
>>
>and when it >comes to replacing tires you have to buy pairs not a single
>tire, so there are many factors that can make the Quatt. more expensive.
>>
>> Actually, you have to buy four at a time but on the up side the tires
>> *may* last longer than had they been mounted on a FWD or RWD car.
>> Tire wear is phenomenally even in my experience...
>>
>> /daytripper
>> '00 s4 6spd
>call your local oil change places and they will charge you more, same class
>as 4x4,
Wrong. Are you being intentionally obtuse on this matter, or do you routinely
get robbed by your "local oil change places"?
Clue: The oil pan on my S4 is exactly in the same place as it is on a 32v NA
FWD A4. And my dealer charges me exactly the same price as if I had a 32v NA
FWD A4 and used the same oil.
>I bet the diff. is more than 3-4%
Then you'd still be guessing wrong.
>look at a pickup with 4x4 it's more than 10%.
Clue: we're not talking about pickups.
>more expensive insurance
Ah, you're throwing in some fresh red herring. Nice.
Pray tell us, exactly why an otherwise identical car of the same replacement
cost would cost more to insure because all four wheels are driven?
>and the tire thing is a big thing,
No, it isn't a "big thing", unless you're driving a car too far above your
financial condition. The average annualized cost of tires on a quattro car is
most likely identical or better to the fwd version, due to the even tire wear,
and for the same reason is likely as good as any rwd car of similar size and
weight.
>in other cars the non-drive wheels get less wear so they last longer.
Hilarious! And so wrong. You've never seen the front tires on a Ford 2WD
pickup truck with the "twin I-beam suspension" after 10K miles. If you had
ever actually owned a RWD car for a few years you would never have come to
that conclusion. And if you owned a FWD car you'd probably be sobbing about
how quickly the front tires wear out.
Ya know, telling *quattro owners* how much it costs to maintain *their*
quattro cars was a non-starter from the get-go. That you persist in your
nonsense is telling...
/daytripper
'00 s4 6spd
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Re: Quattro Expense
Tha Ghee writes:
>just want you to know that you don't have to have AWD with electronics you
>can do that, just like the new G35 and not have the fuel loses, and Audi's
>aren't the more reliable cars on the road. that's all I wanted to point
>out.
Then why all the beating-around-the-bush, twit. That is only your opinion.
Mine is that Audi Quattro is far better than any comparable rice burner.
Dave
http://hometown.aol.com/davplac/myhomepage/index.html
>just want you to know that you don't have to have AWD with electronics you
>can do that, just like the new G35 and not have the fuel loses, and Audi's
>aren't the more reliable cars on the road. that's all I wanted to point
>out.
Then why all the beating-around-the-bush, twit. That is only your opinion.
Mine is that Audi Quattro is far better than any comparable rice burner.
Dave
http://hometown.aol.com/davplac/myhomepage/index.html
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xymergy writes:
>OK, but now I have a situation with snow tires where one was punctured
>in the side wall after 10k miles and replaced under road hazard
>warranty; will this one new tire create problems with my differential?
Probably not. And, sidewall punctures/failures are rare, at least in my
millions of miles of driving. Never experienced it.
Dave
http://hometown.aol.com/davplac/myhomepage/index.html
>OK, but now I have a situation with snow tires where one was punctured
>in the side wall after 10k miles and replaced under road hazard
>warranty; will this one new tire create problems with my differential?
Probably not. And, sidewall punctures/failures are rare, at least in my
millions of miles of driving. Never experienced it.
Dave
http://hometown.aol.com/davplac/myhomepage/index.html
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Re: Quattro Expense
"Tha Ghee" <grewatson@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:3ffdd19c$0$12210
> just want you to know that you don't have to have AWD with electronics you
> can do that, just like the new G35
Is that why Nissan has decided to produce a G35 AWD as well?
> and Audi's aren't the more reliable cars on the road. that's all I wanted to point
> out.
No one in this entire thread ever claimed that they are. The point of this thread was to determine whether an A4 quattro was any more costly to maintain than a A4 front-trak.
> more expensive oil changes,
This has to be the funniest thing I've read in months. What does quattro have to do with the cost of the oil change? The engine is the same, it takes identical amount of oil and an identical oil filter. If someone told you they're more expensive and you believed them, you only have yourself to blame.
> and when it
> comes to replacing tires you have to buy pairs not a single tire,
Hmm... so when it's time to replace your tires, you buy just one? And wait how long to replace the rest? I usually find myself getting 4 new tires, regardless if it's a FWD, RWD, or AWD. Rotating helps.
> so there
> are many factors that can make the Quatt. more expensive.
You did not show any. Please try again... Actually, don't bother - you're clueless.
Pete
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Re: Quattro Expense
"Ian S" <iws51remove@***.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Richard Potato" <@tater.cu> wrote in message
> news:3ff9bc21.10109727@news.gv.shawcable.net...
> > I was talking to my local mech about AWD/quattro vs FWD and he said
> > that while it drives nicely the added long term expense is not worth
> > it. I am going to buy an A4 but not sure about FWD or AWD.
> >
> > Any comments about the long term costs of Audi AWD?
> >
> > Thanks in advance.
>
> There are more CV joints and boots on the quattro. The CV joints as in
most
> cars are pretty much bulletproof UNLESS the rubber boots tear and then
dirt
> in the CV joint will rapidly destroy it just like any FWD car. Other than
> that, I have driven quattros for 17 years and found them to be
trouble-free.
>
>
I agree, the possibility of Quattro failure should not be part of the buying
decision. Heck, type in "Quattro failure" into google and see how many
failures you can find.
Romy
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Re: Quattro Expense
"daytripper" <day_trippr@REMOVEyahoo.com> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 8 Jan 2004 16:47:25 -0500, "Tha Ghee" <grewatson@yahoo.com>
> >call your local oil change places and they will charge you more, same
class
> >as 4x4,
>
> Wrong. Are you being intentionally obtuse on this matter, or do you
routinely
> get robbed by your "local oil change places"?
>
> Clue: The oil pan on my S4 is exactly in the same place as it is on a 32v
NA
> FWD A4. And my dealer charges me exactly the same price as if I had a 32v
NA
> FWD A4 and used the same oil.
>
> >I bet the diff. is more than 3-4%
>
> Then you'd still be guessing wrong.
>
> >look at a pickup with 4x4 it's more than 10%.
>
> Clue: we're not talking about pickups.
>
> >more expensive insurance
>
> Ah, you're throwing in some fresh red herring. Nice.
>
> Pray tell us, exactly why an otherwise identical car of the same
replacement
> cost would cost more to insure because all four wheels are driven?
>
> >and the tire thing is a big thing,
>
> No, it isn't a "big thing", unless you're driving a car too far above your
> financial condition. The average annualized cost of tires on a quattro car
is
> most likely identical or better to the fwd version, due to the even tire
wear,
> and for the same reason is likely as good as any rwd car of similar size
and
> weight.
>
> >in other cars the non-drive wheels get less wear so they last longer.
>
> Hilarious! And so wrong. You've never seen the front tires on a Ford 2WD
> pickup truck with the "twin I-beam suspension" after 10K miles. If you had
> ever actually owned a RWD car for a few years you would never have come to
> that conclusion. And if you owned a FWD car you'd probably be sobbing
about
> how quickly the front tires wear out.
>
> Ya know, telling *quattro owners* how much it costs to maintain *their*
> quattro cars was a non-starter from the get-go. That you persist in your
> nonsense is telling...
>
> /daytripper
> '00 s4 6spd
>
not at all, I do my own oil changes but they still charge a different amount
for any cars with no standard drives. I've seen that it's a 3 mile
difference that's more than 3-4% or is math not your strong suit. With AWD
your more likely to drive different (not cautious) in inclimate weather, so
higher insurance, call and see what they say. I highly doubt that buying 4
tires is the same cost as replacing two at a time, touché on the over means.
You showed two cars and the last time I checked Ford + Tires is not
something to compare and I've owned almost every type of car. I have a 02 A6
4.2 so I know a thing or about the cost of ownership, so ask before you
ASSume. No nonsense just knowledge you should learn some.
news:t4orvvkdf2jv2m8g3p0uuggick5jpenptc@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 8 Jan 2004 16:47:25 -0500, "Tha Ghee" <grewatson@yahoo.com>
> >call your local oil change places and they will charge you more, same
class
> >as 4x4,
>
> Wrong. Are you being intentionally obtuse on this matter, or do you
routinely
> get robbed by your "local oil change places"?
>
> Clue: The oil pan on my S4 is exactly in the same place as it is on a 32v
NA
> FWD A4. And my dealer charges me exactly the same price as if I had a 32v
NA
> FWD A4 and used the same oil.
>
> >I bet the diff. is more than 3-4%
>
> Then you'd still be guessing wrong.
>
> >look at a pickup with 4x4 it's more than 10%.
>
> Clue: we're not talking about pickups.
>
> >more expensive insurance
>
> Ah, you're throwing in some fresh red herring. Nice.
>
> Pray tell us, exactly why an otherwise identical car of the same
replacement
> cost would cost more to insure because all four wheels are driven?
>
> >and the tire thing is a big thing,
>
> No, it isn't a "big thing", unless you're driving a car too far above your
> financial condition. The average annualized cost of tires on a quattro car
is
> most likely identical or better to the fwd version, due to the even tire
wear,
> and for the same reason is likely as good as any rwd car of similar size
and
> weight.
>
> >in other cars the non-drive wheels get less wear so they last longer.
>
> Hilarious! And so wrong. You've never seen the front tires on a Ford 2WD
> pickup truck with the "twin I-beam suspension" after 10K miles. If you had
> ever actually owned a RWD car for a few years you would never have come to
> that conclusion. And if you owned a FWD car you'd probably be sobbing
about
> how quickly the front tires wear out.
>
> Ya know, telling *quattro owners* how much it costs to maintain *their*
> quattro cars was a non-starter from the get-go. That you persist in your
> nonsense is telling...
>
> /daytripper
> '00 s4 6spd
>
not at all, I do my own oil changes but they still charge a different amount
for any cars with no standard drives. I've seen that it's a 3 mile
difference that's more than 3-4% or is math not your strong suit. With AWD
your more likely to drive different (not cautious) in inclimate weather, so
higher insurance, call and see what they say. I highly doubt that buying 4
tires is the same cost as replacing two at a time, touché on the over means.
You showed two cars and the last time I checked Ford + Tires is not
something to compare and I've owned almost every type of car. I have a 02 A6
4.2 so I know a thing or about the cost of ownership, so ask before you
ASSume. No nonsense just knowledge you should learn some.
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Re: Quattro Expense
"Dave LaCourse" <davplac@aol.comPirate> wrote in message
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> Tha Ghee writes:
>
> >just want you to know that you don't have to have AWD with electronics
you
> >can do that, just like the new G35 and not have the fuel loses, and
Audi's
> >aren't the more reliable cars on the road. that's all I wanted to point
> >out.
>
> Then why all the beating-around-the-bush, twit. That is only your
opinion.
> Mine is that Audi Quattro is far better than any comparable rice burner.
>
> Dave
>
> http://hometown.aol.com/davplac/myhomepage/index.html
>
so a Audi is better than a Lexus, BMW, Acura, or Infiniti??
news:20040108184927.19782.00001994@mb-m01.aol.com...
> Tha Ghee writes:
>
> >just want you to know that you don't have to have AWD with electronics
you
> >can do that, just like the new G35 and not have the fuel loses, and
Audi's
> >aren't the more reliable cars on the road. that's all I wanted to point
> >out.
>
> Then why all the beating-around-the-bush, twit. That is only your
opinion.
> Mine is that Audi Quattro is far better than any comparable rice burner.
>
> Dave
>
> http://hometown.aol.com/davplac/myhomepage/index.html
>
so a Audi is better than a Lexus, BMW, Acura, or Infiniti??