Fuel prices aren't dropping
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Re: Fuel prices aren't dropping
Peter Bell <peter@invalid.org.uk> wrote in message news:<8a857ba04c.peter@iyonix.earley.fourcom.com>. ..
> In message <BCA56757.1B171%tom@boltwood.nospam>
> Tom Boltwood <tom@boltwood.nospam> wrote:
>
> > > From: Peter Bell <peter@invalid.org.uk>
> > >
> > > However, some modern engine management systems won't allow the throttle
> > > to be opened whilst the brake pedal is depressed
> >
> > How do you left foot brake in these cars then?
>
> Nothing to stop you using your left foot for the brake pedal - just
> don't be surprised if the throttle gets cut when you do it!
>
> In other words, you don't actually achieve anything by left foot braking
> in a car which is configured like this.
I just discovered this this AM in fact. Sold my '02 GTI and it's been
sitting for a couple weeks. Tried riding the brakes with the left
foot while driving to knock the rust off the rotors - after about 2
seconds the ECM cuts all power to the engine! D'oh!
nate
> In message <BCA56757.1B171%tom@boltwood.nospam>
> Tom Boltwood <tom@boltwood.nospam> wrote:
>
> > > From: Peter Bell <peter@invalid.org.uk>
> > >
> > > However, some modern engine management systems won't allow the throttle
> > > to be opened whilst the brake pedal is depressed
> >
> > How do you left foot brake in these cars then?
>
> Nothing to stop you using your left foot for the brake pedal - just
> don't be surprised if the throttle gets cut when you do it!
>
> In other words, you don't actually achieve anything by left foot braking
> in a car which is configured like this.
I just discovered this this AM in fact. Sold my '02 GTI and it's been
sitting for a couple weeks. Tried riding the brakes with the left
foot while driving to knock the rust off the rotors - after about 2
seconds the ECM cuts all power to the engine! D'oh!
nate
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Re: Fuel prices aren't dropping
<StonyMason@mailcity.com> wrote in message
news:4078367B.EEE80834@mailcity.com...
> What makes you think that, have you owned either one of them?
> I've owned both. I had problems with the Solara but none
> with the GT.
>
>
> mike hunt
>
I owned a 94 Mustang for about a year and it broke down a few times, I sold
the Solara and it had very few problems.
news:4078367B.EEE80834@mailcity.com...
> What makes you think that, have you owned either one of them?
> I've owned both. I had problems with the Solara but none
> with the GT.
>
>
> mike hunt
>
I owned a 94 Mustang for about a year and it broke down a few times, I sold
the Solara and it had very few problems.
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Re: Fuel prices aren't dropping
<StonyMason@mailcity.com> wrote in message
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> I've done much better with the Lincoln. I saved a lot of
> money since I started buying Lincoln LS's than when I was
> buying Lexus'. Have you ever actually owned a Lexus V8 or
> a Lincoln LS V8?
>
>
> mike hunt
>
around here a Lexus has been given over to drug dealers, so no I would never
own it I have a A6, more low key. do much better, how meeting the Service
manger at Lin/Merc??
news:4078377C.8B8C3A26@mailcity.com...
> I've done much better with the Lincoln. I saved a lot of
> money since I started buying Lincoln LS's than when I was
> buying Lexus'. Have you ever actually owned a Lexus V8 or
> a Lincoln LS V8?
>
>
> mike hunt
>
around here a Lexus has been given over to drug dealers, so no I would never
own it I have a A6, more low key. do much better, how meeting the Service
manger at Lin/Merc??
#184
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Re: Fuel prices aren't dropping
On Fri, 09 Apr 2004 01:50:46 GMT, "KJ" <searchalll@yahoo.com> wrote:
>Plus, I think my town owns more land than any one of those countries
>(small).
>
>~KJ~
>
>"George Graves" <gmgravesnos@pacbell.net> wrote in message
>news:gmgravesnos-8C85A2.18043108042004@news.sf.sbcglobal.net...
>> In article <83ob70dr4pa09e28j0piqj36dagmqa0ikl@4ax.com>,
>> "(Pete Cresswell)" <x@y.z> wrote:
>>
>> > RE/
>> > >Funny how the roads with the highest max speed or no limit are in
>> > >Europe with the highest gas prices. See the connection? Me niether.
>> >
>> > The roads I've driven in Germany are safer/smoother/wider - and,
>hopefully,
>> > safer at higher speeds - because they spend more money
>building/maintaining
>> > them. I don't know, but I'm also guessing that a chunk of that fuel
>tax
>> > goes
>> > into driver education....at least all the drivers over there seem to be
>> > playing
>> > by the same rules.
>> >
>> > In the area of Germany that I know, you can sometimes spot a pothole
>repair
>> > the
>> > the discoloation of the road surface - but I've never been able to feel
>it as
>> > my
>> > wheels rode over it.
>> >
>> > Contrast that with the third-world-country-like roads around where I
>live
>> > (USA
>> > "Main Line" - near Phila, PA) where, IMHO, both pothole repair by the
>> > government
>> > and infrastructure work by the utility companies would be considered
>> > vandalism
>> > by any reasonable person - except for the fact that the perpetrators
>have a
>> > permit to do it...
>>
>> There is a reason why European highways are so smooth. Autobahns in
>> Germany, Autostradas in Italy, and Autoroutes in France are all built on
>> 27 inch-thick reinforced concrete underlayment. US "superhighways" are
>> built on an 11-inch thick underlayment and are therefore not as stable.
>> The Eurpoeans also work on their roads to keep them in tip-top
>> condition, something we don't do here. But then again, most of the
>> European highways are toll roads, and the tolls aren't trivial either.
>> The Italian A1, for instance, between Naples and Florence, (about 400
>> miles) will cost you about US$35 in tolls, IIRC.
>>
>> --
>> George Graves
>> ------------------
>> "If God drove a car, it would surely be an Alfa Romeo."
>> Juan Manuel Fangio
>> 5-time world Grand Prix champion
>
In Europe they drive faster and have better roads .
Better roads because they invest more on roads. A large percentage of
the price of the gaz goes for the construction and maintenance of the
road .
They drive faster because the roads are good, have higher speed limit
and they have no official tax collectors playing games with the
drivers.
If one gets a ticket in Europe he most like deserve it . If you get a
ticket in the US it's because you lost on the cat and mouse obscene
game.
In Europe they spent less money in gaz that we do in North America,
because life is organized differently. Only Americans reside at more
then 20 miles from their place of work and get a 4 well drive car
because they may one day go out to the Grand Canon.
The true is that they had to get a more flashy car to impressed the
the family next door
Speed limits in Europe make sense, in North America the legislators
tune the speed limit to maximize profit/votes. Nothing to do with
safety
So much obsession for safety/security and look at 9/11
I remember coming to a curve in Europe that had a recommended maximum
speed of 80 km . As per the North American way that curve could be
easily taken at 100 km . I was wrong. After that experience I had
more respect for the recommended speed.
Vlad
>Plus, I think my town owns more land than any one of those countries
>(small).
>
>~KJ~
>
>"George Graves" <gmgravesnos@pacbell.net> wrote in message
>news:gmgravesnos-8C85A2.18043108042004@news.sf.sbcglobal.net...
>> In article <83ob70dr4pa09e28j0piqj36dagmqa0ikl@4ax.com>,
>> "(Pete Cresswell)" <x@y.z> wrote:
>>
>> > RE/
>> > >Funny how the roads with the highest max speed or no limit are in
>> > >Europe with the highest gas prices. See the connection? Me niether.
>> >
>> > The roads I've driven in Germany are safer/smoother/wider - and,
>hopefully,
>> > safer at higher speeds - because they spend more money
>building/maintaining
>> > them. I don't know, but I'm also guessing that a chunk of that fuel
>tax
>> > goes
>> > into driver education....at least all the drivers over there seem to be
>> > playing
>> > by the same rules.
>> >
>> > In the area of Germany that I know, you can sometimes spot a pothole
>repair
>> > the
>> > the discoloation of the road surface - but I've never been able to feel
>it as
>> > my
>> > wheels rode over it.
>> >
>> > Contrast that with the third-world-country-like roads around where I
>live
>> > (USA
>> > "Main Line" - near Phila, PA) where, IMHO, both pothole repair by the
>> > government
>> > and infrastructure work by the utility companies would be considered
>> > vandalism
>> > by any reasonable person - except for the fact that the perpetrators
>have a
>> > permit to do it...
>>
>> There is a reason why European highways are so smooth. Autobahns in
>> Germany, Autostradas in Italy, and Autoroutes in France are all built on
>> 27 inch-thick reinforced concrete underlayment. US "superhighways" are
>> built on an 11-inch thick underlayment and are therefore not as stable.
>> The Eurpoeans also work on their roads to keep them in tip-top
>> condition, something we don't do here. But then again, most of the
>> European highways are toll roads, and the tolls aren't trivial either.
>> The Italian A1, for instance, between Naples and Florence, (about 400
>> miles) will cost you about US$35 in tolls, IIRC.
>>
>> --
>> George Graves
>> ------------------
>> "If God drove a car, it would surely be an Alfa Romeo."
>> Juan Manuel Fangio
>> 5-time world Grand Prix champion
>
In Europe they drive faster and have better roads .
Better roads because they invest more on roads. A large percentage of
the price of the gaz goes for the construction and maintenance of the
road .
They drive faster because the roads are good, have higher speed limit
and they have no official tax collectors playing games with the
drivers.
If one gets a ticket in Europe he most like deserve it . If you get a
ticket in the US it's because you lost on the cat and mouse obscene
game.
In Europe they spent less money in gaz that we do in North America,
because life is organized differently. Only Americans reside at more
then 20 miles from their place of work and get a 4 well drive car
because they may one day go out to the Grand Canon.
The true is that they had to get a more flashy car to impressed the
the family next door
Speed limits in Europe make sense, in North America the legislators
tune the speed limit to maximize profit/votes. Nothing to do with
safety
So much obsession for safety/security and look at 9/11
I remember coming to a curve in Europe that had a recommended maximum
speed of 80 km . As per the North American way that curve could be
easily taken at 100 km . I was wrong. After that experience I had
more respect for the recommended speed.
Vlad
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Re: Fuel prices aren't dropping
In article <m92qa0tpbj38sjfsmcjtirs1mvnp45b4n8@4ax.com>,
Vlad <Vlad@vlad.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 09 Apr 2004 01:50:46 GMT, "KJ" <searchalll@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >Plus, I think my town owns more land than any one of those countries
> >(small).
> >
> >~KJ~
> >
> >"George Graves" <gmgravesnos@pacbell.net> wrote in message
> >news:gmgravesnos-8C85A2.18043108042004@news.sf.sbcglobal.net...
> >> In article <83ob70dr4pa09e28j0piqj36dagmqa0ikl@4ax.com>,
> >> "(Pete Cresswell)" <x@y.z> wrote:
> >>
> >> > RE/
> >> > >Funny how the roads with the highest max speed or no limit are in
> >> > >Europe with the highest gas prices. See the connection? Me niether.
> >> >
> >> > The roads I've driven in Germany are safer/smoother/wider - and,
> >hopefully,
> >> > safer at higher speeds - because they spend more money
> >building/maintaining
> >> > them. I don't know, but I'm also guessing that a chunk of that fuel
> >tax
> >> > goes
> >> > into driver education....at least all the drivers over there seem to be
> >> > playing
> >> > by the same rules.
> >> >
> >> > In the area of Germany that I know, you can sometimes spot a pothole
> >repair
> >> > the
> >> > the discoloation of the road surface - but I've never been able to feel
> >it as
> >> > my
> >> > wheels rode over it.
> >> >
> >> > Contrast that with the third-world-country-like roads around where I
> >live
> >> > (USA
> >> > "Main Line" - near Phila, PA) where, IMHO, both pothole repair by the
> >> > government
> >> > and infrastructure work by the utility companies would be considered
> >> > vandalism
> >> > by any reasonable person - except for the fact that the perpetrators
> >have a
> >> > permit to do it...
> >>
> >> There is a reason why European highways are so smooth. Autobahns in
> >> Germany, Autostradas in Italy, and Autoroutes in France are all built on
> >> 27 inch-thick reinforced concrete underlayment. US "superhighways" are
> >> built on an 11-inch thick underlayment and are therefore not as stable.
> >> The Eurpoeans also work on their roads to keep them in tip-top
> >> condition, something we don't do here. But then again, most of the
> >> European highways are toll roads, and the tolls aren't trivial either.
> >> The Italian A1, for instance, between Naples and Florence, (about 400
> >> miles) will cost you about US$35 in tolls, IIRC.
> >>
> >> --
> >> George Graves
> >> ------------------
> >> "If God drove a car, it would surely be an Alfa Romeo."
> >> Juan Manuel Fangio
> >> 5-time world Grand Prix champion
> >
> In Europe they drive faster and have better roads .
> Better roads because they invest more on roads. A large percentage of
> the price of the gaz goes for the construction and maintenance of the
> road .
> They drive faster because the roads are good, have higher speed limit
> and they have no official tax collectors playing games with the
> drivers.
Would that this were still true. In Italy, for instance, the speed limit
on the Autostrade is 130 Kp/h (about 80 MPH). They use speed cameras to
catch speeders (and a brand-new Lamboghini Gallardo too) and the fines
aren't trivial:
"se non superano i 10 Km/h oltre il limite, variano da 33,60 a 137,55
euro;
oltre 10 e non oltre 40 Km/h, da 137,55 a 550,20 euro (e la perdita di 2
punti);
oltre 40 Km/h da 343,35 a 1.376,53 euro con sospensione della patente di
guida"
For those who don't know Italian: the fine for up to 10 Km/h over the
speed limit ranges from E33.60 to E 137.55. The fine for exceeding the
speed limit up to 40 Km/h ranges from E137.55 to E550.20. And finally,
the fine for exceeding the speed limit by MORE than 40 Km/h (that's only
a bit over 27 MPH) is E343.35 all the way to E1,376.53! The last time I
was in Italy which was just a few weeks over a year ago, I routinely
drove at 115 - 120 MPH ( 185- 200 Km/h). At that time I was routinely
passed without notice by Polizia Stradale. I understand that's all
changed now. Thanks, Brussels!
> If one gets a ticket in Europe he most like deserve it . If you get a
> ticket in the US it's because you lost on the cat and mouse obscene
> game.
Not anymore it seems. The EU is cracking down on fast driving - one of
the few things that I admired Europe for was their sensible attitude
toward driving. Now they are getting as bad as America. Soon they will
be as bad as Great Britain, then everybody might as well just junk their
cars because there will be no use trying to go anywhere in them.
> In Europe they spent less money in gaz that we do in North America,
> because life is organized differently. Only Americans reside at more
> then 20 miles from their place of work and get a 4 well drive car
> because they may one day go out to the Grand Canon.
I don't know about that being the case. Most Americans by SUVs which
aren't even cars, they are trucks. Very unsafe, gas guzzling trucks.
> The true is that they had to get a more flashy car to impressed the
> the family next door
That might have been partially true in the 1950's but it's not true any
more.
> Speed limits in Europe make sense, in North America the legislators
> tune the speed limit to maximize profit/votes. Nothing to do with
> safety
Look again pal. It's getting that way in Europe as well. Its too big of
a revenue stream to overlook, it seems.
--
George Graves
------------------
"When I learned to use my new computer and found out what Microsoft Windows XP does best, I felt like I had just paid $700.00 for a deck of cards."
Vlad <Vlad@vlad.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 09 Apr 2004 01:50:46 GMT, "KJ" <searchalll@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >Plus, I think my town owns more land than any one of those countries
> >(small).
> >
> >~KJ~
> >
> >"George Graves" <gmgravesnos@pacbell.net> wrote in message
> >news:gmgravesnos-8C85A2.18043108042004@news.sf.sbcglobal.net...
> >> In article <83ob70dr4pa09e28j0piqj36dagmqa0ikl@4ax.com>,
> >> "(Pete Cresswell)" <x@y.z> wrote:
> >>
> >> > RE/
> >> > >Funny how the roads with the highest max speed or no limit are in
> >> > >Europe with the highest gas prices. See the connection? Me niether.
> >> >
> >> > The roads I've driven in Germany are safer/smoother/wider - and,
> >hopefully,
> >> > safer at higher speeds - because they spend more money
> >building/maintaining
> >> > them. I don't know, but I'm also guessing that a chunk of that fuel
> >tax
> >> > goes
> >> > into driver education....at least all the drivers over there seem to be
> >> > playing
> >> > by the same rules.
> >> >
> >> > In the area of Germany that I know, you can sometimes spot a pothole
> >repair
> >> > the
> >> > the discoloation of the road surface - but I've never been able to feel
> >it as
> >> > my
> >> > wheels rode over it.
> >> >
> >> > Contrast that with the third-world-country-like roads around where I
> >live
> >> > (USA
> >> > "Main Line" - near Phila, PA) where, IMHO, both pothole repair by the
> >> > government
> >> > and infrastructure work by the utility companies would be considered
> >> > vandalism
> >> > by any reasonable person - except for the fact that the perpetrators
> >have a
> >> > permit to do it...
> >>
> >> There is a reason why European highways are so smooth. Autobahns in
> >> Germany, Autostradas in Italy, and Autoroutes in France are all built on
> >> 27 inch-thick reinforced concrete underlayment. US "superhighways" are
> >> built on an 11-inch thick underlayment and are therefore not as stable.
> >> The Eurpoeans also work on their roads to keep them in tip-top
> >> condition, something we don't do here. But then again, most of the
> >> European highways are toll roads, and the tolls aren't trivial either.
> >> The Italian A1, for instance, between Naples and Florence, (about 400
> >> miles) will cost you about US$35 in tolls, IIRC.
> >>
> >> --
> >> George Graves
> >> ------------------
> >> "If God drove a car, it would surely be an Alfa Romeo."
> >> Juan Manuel Fangio
> >> 5-time world Grand Prix champion
> >
> In Europe they drive faster and have better roads .
> Better roads because they invest more on roads. A large percentage of
> the price of the gaz goes for the construction and maintenance of the
> road .
> They drive faster because the roads are good, have higher speed limit
> and they have no official tax collectors playing games with the
> drivers.
Would that this were still true. In Italy, for instance, the speed limit
on the Autostrade is 130 Kp/h (about 80 MPH). They use speed cameras to
catch speeders (and a brand-new Lamboghini Gallardo too) and the fines
aren't trivial:
"se non superano i 10 Km/h oltre il limite, variano da 33,60 a 137,55
euro;
oltre 10 e non oltre 40 Km/h, da 137,55 a 550,20 euro (e la perdita di 2
punti);
oltre 40 Km/h da 343,35 a 1.376,53 euro con sospensione della patente di
guida"
For those who don't know Italian: the fine for up to 10 Km/h over the
speed limit ranges from E33.60 to E 137.55. The fine for exceeding the
speed limit up to 40 Km/h ranges from E137.55 to E550.20. And finally,
the fine for exceeding the speed limit by MORE than 40 Km/h (that's only
a bit over 27 MPH) is E343.35 all the way to E1,376.53! The last time I
was in Italy which was just a few weeks over a year ago, I routinely
drove at 115 - 120 MPH ( 185- 200 Km/h). At that time I was routinely
passed without notice by Polizia Stradale. I understand that's all
changed now. Thanks, Brussels!
> If one gets a ticket in Europe he most like deserve it . If you get a
> ticket in the US it's because you lost on the cat and mouse obscene
> game.
Not anymore it seems. The EU is cracking down on fast driving - one of
the few things that I admired Europe for was their sensible attitude
toward driving. Now they are getting as bad as America. Soon they will
be as bad as Great Britain, then everybody might as well just junk their
cars because there will be no use trying to go anywhere in them.
> In Europe they spent less money in gaz that we do in North America,
> because life is organized differently. Only Americans reside at more
> then 20 miles from their place of work and get a 4 well drive car
> because they may one day go out to the Grand Canon.
I don't know about that being the case. Most Americans by SUVs which
aren't even cars, they are trucks. Very unsafe, gas guzzling trucks.
> The true is that they had to get a more flashy car to impressed the
> the family next door
That might have been partially true in the 1950's but it's not true any
more.
> Speed limits in Europe make sense, in North America the legislators
> tune the speed limit to maximize profit/votes. Nothing to do with
> safety
Look again pal. It's getting that way in Europe as well. Its too big of
a revenue stream to overlook, it seems.
--
George Graves
------------------
"When I learned to use my new computer and found out what Microsoft Windows XP does best, I felt like I had just paid $700.00 for a deck of cards."
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Re: Fuel prices aren't dropping
George Graves wrote:
>
> "se non superano i 10 Km/h oltre il limite, variano da 33,60 a 137,55
> euro;
>
> oltre 10 e non oltre 40 Km/h, da 137,55 a 550,20 euro (e la perdita di 2
> punti);
>
> oltre 40 Km/h da 343,35 a 1.376,53 euro con sospensione della patente di
> guida"
>
> For those who don't know Italian: the fine for up to 10 Km/h over the
> speed limit ranges from E33.60 to E 137.55. The fine for exceeding the
> speed limit up to 40 Km/h ranges from E137.55 to E550.20. And finally,
> the fine for exceeding the speed limit by MORE than 40 Km/h (that's only
> a bit over 27 MPH) is E343.35 all the way to E1,376.53!
Moreover, I gather "perdita di 2 punti" means "loss of 2 points" (on
one's license) and "sospensione della patente di guida" means
"suspension of one's license". Yeesh. 40 km/hr is about 25 mi/hr -
here on Long Island I can't imagine anyone losing their license for
doing 80 in a 55 - that's just keeping up with traffic!
--
Mike Smith
>
> "se non superano i 10 Km/h oltre il limite, variano da 33,60 a 137,55
> euro;
>
> oltre 10 e non oltre 40 Km/h, da 137,55 a 550,20 euro (e la perdita di 2
> punti);
>
> oltre 40 Km/h da 343,35 a 1.376,53 euro con sospensione della patente di
> guida"
>
> For those who don't know Italian: the fine for up to 10 Km/h over the
> speed limit ranges from E33.60 to E 137.55. The fine for exceeding the
> speed limit up to 40 Km/h ranges from E137.55 to E550.20. And finally,
> the fine for exceeding the speed limit by MORE than 40 Km/h (that's only
> a bit over 27 MPH) is E343.35 all the way to E1,376.53!
Moreover, I gather "perdita di 2 punti" means "loss of 2 points" (on
one's license) and "sospensione della patente di guida" means
"suspension of one's license". Yeesh. 40 km/hr is about 25 mi/hr -
here on Long Island I can't imagine anyone losing their license for
doing 80 in a 55 - that's just keeping up with traffic!
--
Mike Smith
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Re: Fuel prices aren't dropping
"George Graves" <gmgravesnos@pacbell.net> schreef in bericht
news:gmgravesnos-254284.18173520052004@news.sf.sbcglobal.net...
> Would that this were still true. In Italy, for instance, the speed limit
> on the Autostrade is 130 Kp/h (about 80 MPH).
> For those who don't know Italian: the fine for up to 10 Km/h over the
> speed limit ranges from E33.60 to E 137.55. The fine for exceeding the
> speed limit up to 40 Km/h ranges from E137.55 to E550.20. And finally,
> the fine for exceeding the speed limit by MORE than 40 Km/h (that's only
> a bit over 27 MPH) is E343.35 all the way to E1,376.53!
> --
> George Graves
> ------------------
Then Finland.
They fine you based on you income.
Recently a millionair was fined 250,000 euro's (!!!) for 30km/h too fast
driving!
--
Ciao from Holland
AlfistaGJ (Gert-Jan)
Alfa red 156 SW 1.8 Madeno tuned (2000)
Golden Montreal (1973/4)
#188
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Re: Fuel prices aren't dropping
On Fri, 21 May 2004 01:20:37 GMT, George Graves
<gmgravesnos@pacbell.net> wrote:
>In article <m92qa0tpbj38sjfsmcjtirs1mvnp45b4n8@4ax.com>,
> Vlad <Vlad@vlad.com> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 09 Apr 2004 01:50:46 GMT, "KJ" <searchalll@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> >Plus, I think my town owns more land than any one of those countries
>> >(small).
>> >
>> >~KJ~
>> >
>> >"George Graves" <gmgravesnos@pacbell.net> wrote in message
>> >news:gmgravesnos-8C85A2.18043108042004@news.sf.sbcglobal.net...
>> >> In article <83ob70dr4pa09e28j0piqj36dagmqa0ikl@4ax.com>,
>> >> "(Pete Cresswell)" <x@y.z> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > RE/
>> >> > >Funny how the roads with the highest max speed or no limit are in
>> >> > >Europe with the highest gas prices. See the connection? Me niether.
>> >> >
>> >> > The roads I've driven in Germany are safer/smoother/wider - and,
>> >hopefully,
>> >> > safer at higher speeds - because they spend more money
>> >building/maintaining
>> >> > them. I don't know, but I'm also guessing that a chunk of that fuel
>> >tax
>> >> > goes
>> >> > into driver education....at least all the drivers over there seem to be
>> >> > playing
>> >> > by the same rules.
>> >> >
>> >> > In the area of Germany that I know, you can sometimes spot a pothole
>> >repair
>> >> > the
>> >> > the discoloation of the road surface - but I've never been able to feel
>> >it as
>> >> > my
>> >> > wheels rode over it.
>> >> >
>> >> > Contrast that with the third-world-country-like roads around where I
>> >live
>> >> > (USA
>> >> > "Main Line" - near Phila, PA) where, IMHO, both pothole repair by the
>> >> > government
>> >> > and infrastructure work by the utility companies would be considered
>> >> > vandalism
>> >> > by any reasonable person - except for the fact that the perpetrators
>> >have a
>> >> > permit to do it...
>> >>
>> >> There is a reason why European highways are so smooth. Autobahns in
>> >> Germany, Autostradas in Italy, and Autoroutes in France are all built on
>> >> 27 inch-thick reinforced concrete underlayment. US "superhighways" are
>> >> built on an 11-inch thick underlayment and are therefore not as stable.
>> >> The Eurpoeans also work on their roads to keep them in tip-top
>> >> condition, something we don't do here. But then again, most of the
>> >> European highways are toll roads, and the tolls aren't trivial either.
>> >> The Italian A1, for instance, between Naples and Florence, (about 400
>> >> miles) will cost you about US$35 in tolls, IIRC.
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> George Graves
>> >> ------------------
>> >> "If God drove a car, it would surely be an Alfa Romeo."
>> >> Juan Manuel Fangio
>> >> 5-time world Grand Prix champion
>> >
>> In Europe they drive faster and have better roads .
>> Better roads because they invest more on roads. A large percentage of
>> the price of the gaz goes for the construction and maintenance of the
>> road .
>> They drive faster because the roads are good, have higher speed limit
>> and they have no official tax collectors playing games with the
>> drivers.
>
>Would that this were still true. In Italy, for instance, the speed limit
>on the Autostrade is 130 Kp/h (about 80 MPH). They use speed cameras to
>catch speeders (and a brand-new Lamboghini Gallardo too) and the fines
>aren't trivial:
Things have changed since the last time I drove in Europe ( about 6
years ago) but my friend, one Lamborghini on loan to the police
isn't much for the size of the country.
>
>"se non superano i 10 Km/h oltre il limite, variano da 33,60 a 137,55
>euro;
>
>oltre 10 e non oltre 40 Km/h, da 137,55 a 550,20 euro (e la perdita di 2
>punti);
>
>oltre 40 Km/h da 343,35 a 1.376,53 euro con sospensione della patente di
>guida"
>
>For those who don't know Italian: the fine for up to 10 Km/h over the
>speed limit ranges from E33.60 to E 137.55. The fine for exceeding the
>speed limit up to 40 Km/h ranges from E137.55 to E550.20. And finally,
>the fine for exceeding the speed limit by MORE than 40 Km/h (that's only
>a bit over 27 MPH) is E343.35 all the way to E1,376.53! The last time I
>was in Italy which was just a few weeks over a year ago, I routinely
>drove at 115 - 120 MPH ( 185- 200 Km/h). At that time I was routinely
>passed without notice by Polizia Stradale. I understand that's all
>changed now. Thanks, Brussels!
>
>> If one gets a ticket in Europe he most like deserve it . If you get a
>> ticket in the US it's because you lost on the cat and mouse obscene
>> game.
>
>Not anymore it seems. The EU is cracking down on fast driving - one of
>the few things that I admired Europe for was their sensible attitude
>toward driving. Now they are getting as bad as America. Soon they will
>be as bad as Great Britain, then everybody might as well just junk their
>cars because there will be no use trying to go anywhere in them.
>
>
>> In Europe they spent less money in gaz that we do in North America,
>> because life is organized differently. Only Americans reside at more
>> then 20 miles from their place of work and get a 4 well drive car
>> because they may one day go out to the Grand Canon.
>
>I don't know about that being the case. Most Americans by SUVs which
>aren't even cars, they are trucks. Very unsafe, gas guzzling trucks.
>
>> The true is that they had to get a more flashy car to impressed the
>> the family next door
>
>That might have been partially true in the 1950's but it's not true any
>more.
>
>> Speed limits in Europe make sense, in North America the legislators
>> tune the speed limit to maximize profit/votes. Nothing to do with
>> safety
>
>Look again pal. It's getting that way in Europe as well. Its too big of
>a revenue stream to overlook, it seems.
On the humorous side, since England is the country with fewer
accidents in Europe may be we should change our driving to the left
side.
To verify the advantages of the system I suggest that only the police
should change first for one week and then the rest of the population
can be free to drive without getting tickets.
Why is it that most drivers dislike the police ?
Why did I enjoy when the police car in preparation to catch a speeding
car, got stuck in the mud ?
They are suppose to protect the drivers, rather then enforce laws
created by politicians that never get tickets.
Vlad
<gmgravesnos@pacbell.net> wrote:
>In article <m92qa0tpbj38sjfsmcjtirs1mvnp45b4n8@4ax.com>,
> Vlad <Vlad@vlad.com> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 09 Apr 2004 01:50:46 GMT, "KJ" <searchalll@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> >Plus, I think my town owns more land than any one of those countries
>> >(small).
>> >
>> >~KJ~
>> >
>> >"George Graves" <gmgravesnos@pacbell.net> wrote in message
>> >news:gmgravesnos-8C85A2.18043108042004@news.sf.sbcglobal.net...
>> >> In article <83ob70dr4pa09e28j0piqj36dagmqa0ikl@4ax.com>,
>> >> "(Pete Cresswell)" <x@y.z> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > RE/
>> >> > >Funny how the roads with the highest max speed or no limit are in
>> >> > >Europe with the highest gas prices. See the connection? Me niether.
>> >> >
>> >> > The roads I've driven in Germany are safer/smoother/wider - and,
>> >hopefully,
>> >> > safer at higher speeds - because they spend more money
>> >building/maintaining
>> >> > them. I don't know, but I'm also guessing that a chunk of that fuel
>> >tax
>> >> > goes
>> >> > into driver education....at least all the drivers over there seem to be
>> >> > playing
>> >> > by the same rules.
>> >> >
>> >> > In the area of Germany that I know, you can sometimes spot a pothole
>> >repair
>> >> > the
>> >> > the discoloation of the road surface - but I've never been able to feel
>> >it as
>> >> > my
>> >> > wheels rode over it.
>> >> >
>> >> > Contrast that with the third-world-country-like roads around where I
>> >live
>> >> > (USA
>> >> > "Main Line" - near Phila, PA) where, IMHO, both pothole repair by the
>> >> > government
>> >> > and infrastructure work by the utility companies would be considered
>> >> > vandalism
>> >> > by any reasonable person - except for the fact that the perpetrators
>> >have a
>> >> > permit to do it...
>> >>
>> >> There is a reason why European highways are so smooth. Autobahns in
>> >> Germany, Autostradas in Italy, and Autoroutes in France are all built on
>> >> 27 inch-thick reinforced concrete underlayment. US "superhighways" are
>> >> built on an 11-inch thick underlayment and are therefore not as stable.
>> >> The Eurpoeans also work on their roads to keep them in tip-top
>> >> condition, something we don't do here. But then again, most of the
>> >> European highways are toll roads, and the tolls aren't trivial either.
>> >> The Italian A1, for instance, between Naples and Florence, (about 400
>> >> miles) will cost you about US$35 in tolls, IIRC.
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> George Graves
>> >> ------------------
>> >> "If God drove a car, it would surely be an Alfa Romeo."
>> >> Juan Manuel Fangio
>> >> 5-time world Grand Prix champion
>> >
>> In Europe they drive faster and have better roads .
>> Better roads because they invest more on roads. A large percentage of
>> the price of the gaz goes for the construction and maintenance of the
>> road .
>> They drive faster because the roads are good, have higher speed limit
>> and they have no official tax collectors playing games with the
>> drivers.
>
>Would that this were still true. In Italy, for instance, the speed limit
>on the Autostrade is 130 Kp/h (about 80 MPH). They use speed cameras to
>catch speeders (and a brand-new Lamboghini Gallardo too) and the fines
>aren't trivial:
Things have changed since the last time I drove in Europe ( about 6
years ago) but my friend, one Lamborghini on loan to the police
isn't much for the size of the country.
>
>"se non superano i 10 Km/h oltre il limite, variano da 33,60 a 137,55
>euro;
>
>oltre 10 e non oltre 40 Km/h, da 137,55 a 550,20 euro (e la perdita di 2
>punti);
>
>oltre 40 Km/h da 343,35 a 1.376,53 euro con sospensione della patente di
>guida"
>
>For those who don't know Italian: the fine for up to 10 Km/h over the
>speed limit ranges from E33.60 to E 137.55. The fine for exceeding the
>speed limit up to 40 Km/h ranges from E137.55 to E550.20. And finally,
>the fine for exceeding the speed limit by MORE than 40 Km/h (that's only
>a bit over 27 MPH) is E343.35 all the way to E1,376.53! The last time I
>was in Italy which was just a few weeks over a year ago, I routinely
>drove at 115 - 120 MPH ( 185- 200 Km/h). At that time I was routinely
>passed without notice by Polizia Stradale. I understand that's all
>changed now. Thanks, Brussels!
>
>> If one gets a ticket in Europe he most like deserve it . If you get a
>> ticket in the US it's because you lost on the cat and mouse obscene
>> game.
>
>Not anymore it seems. The EU is cracking down on fast driving - one of
>the few things that I admired Europe for was their sensible attitude
>toward driving. Now they are getting as bad as America. Soon they will
>be as bad as Great Britain, then everybody might as well just junk their
>cars because there will be no use trying to go anywhere in them.
>
>
>> In Europe they spent less money in gaz that we do in North America,
>> because life is organized differently. Only Americans reside at more
>> then 20 miles from their place of work and get a 4 well drive car
>> because they may one day go out to the Grand Canon.
>
>I don't know about that being the case. Most Americans by SUVs which
>aren't even cars, they are trucks. Very unsafe, gas guzzling trucks.
>
>> The true is that they had to get a more flashy car to impressed the
>> the family next door
>
>That might have been partially true in the 1950's but it's not true any
>more.
>
>> Speed limits in Europe make sense, in North America the legislators
>> tune the speed limit to maximize profit/votes. Nothing to do with
>> safety
>
>Look again pal. It's getting that way in Europe as well. Its too big of
>a revenue stream to overlook, it seems.
On the humorous side, since England is the country with fewer
accidents in Europe may be we should change our driving to the left
side.
To verify the advantages of the system I suggest that only the police
should change first for one week and then the rest of the population
can be free to drive without getting tickets.
Why is it that most drivers dislike the police ?
Why did I enjoy when the police car in preparation to catch a speeding
car, got stuck in the mud ?
They are suppose to protect the drivers, rather then enforce laws
created by politicians that never get tickets.
Vlad
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Re: Fuel prices aren't dropping
"Vlad" <Vlad@vlad.com> wrote in message
news:m92qa0tpbj38sjfsmcjtirs1mvnp45b4n8@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 09 Apr 2004 01:50:46 GMT, "KJ" <searchalll@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >Plus, I think my town owns more land than any one of those countries
> >(small).
> >
> >~KJ~
> In Europe they drive faster and have better roads .
Agreed.
> Better roads because they invest more on roads. A large percentage of
> the price of the gaz goes for the construction and maintenance of the
> road .
Piddly but it's spelt "gas" (like I'm one to correct spelling).
Supposedly we have a "road tax" as well. What <s/booze/drugs/etc> the
people who get it choose to spend it on is beyond me.
> They drive faster because the roads are good, have higher speed limit
> and they have no official tax collectors playing games with the
> drivers.
Ah yes, the only gang you need to worry about in New England, the Poe-Lice.
> If one gets a ticket in Europe he most like deserve it . If you get a
> ticket in the US it's because you lost on the cat and mouse obscene
> game.
> In Europe they spent less money in gaz that we do in North America,
> because life is organized differently. Only Americans reside at more
> then 20 miles from their place of work and get a 4 well drive car
> because they may one day go out to the Grand Canon.
> The true is that they had to get a more flashy car to impressed the
> the family next door
Well I live about 20 miles from where I work. It's considered close, as
America is a big place. I drive a truck because it's large & comfortable -
as gas prices are not a concern to me.
> Speed limits in Europe make sense, in North America the legislators
> tune the speed limit to maximize profit/votes. Nothing to do with
> safety
> So much obsession for safety/security and look at 9/11
Rediculous stuff, half the "rules" I don't believe in.
> I remember coming to a curve in Europe that had a recommended maximum
> speed of 80 km . As per the North American way that curve could be
> easily taken at 100 km . I was wrong. After that experience I had
> more respect for the recommended speed.
>
> Vlad
In NH any exit ramps that are below 30MPH mean it! But I know what you
mean - I have a road that could be SAFELY traveled at 50-55 MPH no-problem
and it's rated for 35MPH.
~KJ/TLGM
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Re: Fuel prices aren't dropping
In article <2B9vc.111603$hH.1963358@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,
searchalll@yahoo.com says...
> Rediculous stuff, half the "rules" I don't believe in.
>
and you push about spelling
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searchalll@yahoo.com says...
> Rediculous stuff, half the "rules" I don't believe in.
>
and you push about spelling
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