Fuel prices aren't dropping
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Re: Fuel prices aren't dropping
It would be against our back ground to close immigration, though I certainly
*wouldn't* fight it. I just think the *world* should start a 0 population
program. But I also hate the gov telling me what to do. It's quite the
paradox, so I'll just do my part by not putting any more people through this
hell.
~KJ~
"George Graves" <gmgravesnos@pacbell.net> wrote in message
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> In article
> <M0mdc.35993$vo5.1150240@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,
> "KJ" <searchalll@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > I still say that if the yuppies stop reproducing the world will be a
better
> > place. 1 kid for every 2 parents, the only good idea to ever come out of
> > China.
> >
> > ~KJ~
>
> You can say that again. But you know, lots of people don't believe that
> the world is overpopulated. They prefer to wait until everyone is
> starving before they wake up. It's kind of scary when you think about
> it. I think the US should close the gates on immigration, and start a
> zero-population-growth program NOW.
>
> --
> George Graves
> ------------------
> "If God drove a car, it would surely be an Alfa Romeo."
> Juan Manuel Fangio
> 5-time world Grand Prix champion
*wouldn't* fight it. I just think the *world* should start a 0 population
program. But I also hate the gov telling me what to do. It's quite the
paradox, so I'll just do my part by not putting any more people through this
hell.
~KJ~
"George Graves" <gmgravesnos@pacbell.net> wrote in message
news:gmgravesnos-EB471F.17554008042004@news.sf.sbcglobal.net...
> In article
> <M0mdc.35993$vo5.1150240@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,
> "KJ" <searchalll@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > I still say that if the yuppies stop reproducing the world will be a
better
> > place. 1 kid for every 2 parents, the only good idea to ever come out of
> > China.
> >
> > ~KJ~
>
> You can say that again. But you know, lots of people don't believe that
> the world is overpopulated. They prefer to wait until everyone is
> starving before they wake up. It's kind of scary when you think about
> it. I think the US should close the gates on immigration, and start a
> zero-population-growth program NOW.
>
> --
> George Graves
> ------------------
> "If God drove a car, it would surely be an Alfa Romeo."
> Juan Manuel Fangio
> 5-time world Grand Prix champion
#132
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Re: Fuel prices aren't dropping
Plus, I think my town owns more land than any one of those countries
(small).
~KJ~
"George Graves" <gmgravesnos@pacbell.net> wrote in message
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> In article <83ob70dr4pa09e28j0piqj36dagmqa0ikl@4ax.com>,
> "(Pete Cresswell)" <x@y.z> wrote:
>
> > RE/
> > >Funny how the roads with the highest max speed or no limit are in
> > >Europe with the highest gas prices. See the connection? Me niether.
> >
> > The roads I've driven in Germany are safer/smoother/wider - and,
hopefully,
> > safer at higher speeds - because they spend more money
building/maintaining
> > them. I don't know, but I'm also guessing that a chunk of that fuel
tax
> > goes
> > into driver education....at least all the drivers over there seem to be
> > playing
> > by the same rules.
> >
> > In the area of Germany that I know, you can sometimes spot a pothole
repair
> > the
> > the discoloation of the road surface - but I've never been able to feel
it as
> > my
> > wheels rode over it.
> >
> > Contrast that with the third-world-country-like roads around where I
live
> > (USA
> > "Main Line" - near Phila, PA) where, IMHO, both pothole repair by the
> > government
> > and infrastructure work by the utility companies would be considered
> > vandalism
> > by any reasonable person - except for the fact that the perpetrators
have a
> > permit to do it...
>
> There is a reason why European highways are so smooth. Autobahns in
> Germany, Autostradas in Italy, and Autoroutes in France are all built on
> 27 inch-thick reinforced concrete underlayment. US "superhighways" are
> built on an 11-inch thick underlayment and are therefore not as stable.
> The Eurpoeans also work on their roads to keep them in tip-top
> condition, something we don't do here. But then again, most of the
> European highways are toll roads, and the tolls aren't trivial either.
> The Italian A1, for instance, between Naples and Florence, (about 400
> miles) will cost you about US$35 in tolls, IIRC.
>
> --
> George Graves
> ------------------
> "If God drove a car, it would surely be an Alfa Romeo."
> Juan Manuel Fangio
> 5-time world Grand Prix champion
(small).
~KJ~
"George Graves" <gmgravesnos@pacbell.net> wrote in message
news:gmgravesnos-8C85A2.18043108042004@news.sf.sbcglobal.net...
> In article <83ob70dr4pa09e28j0piqj36dagmqa0ikl@4ax.com>,
> "(Pete Cresswell)" <x@y.z> wrote:
>
> > RE/
> > >Funny how the roads with the highest max speed or no limit are in
> > >Europe with the highest gas prices. See the connection? Me niether.
> >
> > The roads I've driven in Germany are safer/smoother/wider - and,
hopefully,
> > safer at higher speeds - because they spend more money
building/maintaining
> > them. I don't know, but I'm also guessing that a chunk of that fuel
tax
> > goes
> > into driver education....at least all the drivers over there seem to be
> > playing
> > by the same rules.
> >
> > In the area of Germany that I know, you can sometimes spot a pothole
repair
> > the
> > the discoloation of the road surface - but I've never been able to feel
it as
> > my
> > wheels rode over it.
> >
> > Contrast that with the third-world-country-like roads around where I
live
> > (USA
> > "Main Line" - near Phila, PA) where, IMHO, both pothole repair by the
> > government
> > and infrastructure work by the utility companies would be considered
> > vandalism
> > by any reasonable person - except for the fact that the perpetrators
have a
> > permit to do it...
>
> There is a reason why European highways are so smooth. Autobahns in
> Germany, Autostradas in Italy, and Autoroutes in France are all built on
> 27 inch-thick reinforced concrete underlayment. US "superhighways" are
> built on an 11-inch thick underlayment and are therefore not as stable.
> The Eurpoeans also work on their roads to keep them in tip-top
> condition, something we don't do here. But then again, most of the
> European highways are toll roads, and the tolls aren't trivial either.
> The Italian A1, for instance, between Naples and Florence, (about 400
> miles) will cost you about US$35 in tolls, IIRC.
>
> --
> George Graves
> ------------------
> "If God drove a car, it would surely be an Alfa Romeo."
> Juan Manuel Fangio
> 5-time world Grand Prix champion
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Re: Fuel prices aren't dropping
"KJ" <searchalll@yahoo.com> wrote:
> It would be against our back ground to close immigration, though I certainly
> *wouldn't* fight it. I just think the *world* should start a 0 population
> program. But I also hate the gov telling me what to do. It's quite the
> paradox, so I'll just do my part by not putting any more people through this
> hell.
The problem there, of course, is that people like you end up not having
any kids in the next generation, while people who don't care and have
lots of kids end up with families that dominate the world...
> It would be against our back ground to close immigration, though I certainly
> *wouldn't* fight it. I just think the *world* should start a 0 population
> program. But I also hate the gov telling me what to do. It's quite the
> paradox, so I'll just do my part by not putting any more people through this
> hell.
The problem there, of course, is that people like you end up not having
any kids in the next generation, while people who don't care and have
lots of kids end up with families that dominate the world...
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Re: Fuel prices aren't dropping
"George Graves" <gmgravesnos@pacbell.net> wrote:
>[snip ...]
> Frankly, I'm not all that fond of most European cars. Italian cars blow
> my skirt up, but a VW looked like the best made car in that class, and
> my last one lasted almost 20 years and over 200,000 miles. I figure that
> was recommendation enough.
George, it appears we see more eye-to-eye than I might have
expected at first ... So, let me pose a question I've been wrestling with.
Given a situation where one participates in a carpool, where each drives
100+ miles round trip one or twice a week; the carpool has three-four
good-sized folks in it (well, maybe one lardbutt, yours truly);
Where one would like a quick & nimble, smallish/smaller car for the
above-stated carpool, as opposed to a bloato-mobile; where the
thought of a SUV is loathsome;
Where sub 7-second 0-60, 0.85-0.90g on the skidpad, better than 64mph
in a typical slalom, better than 125' 60-0 braking, MPG in the high twenties
if not 30mpg would be preferable ... what to get? Oh, and hopefully keep
the purchase under $30K?
The current players:
Acura TSX
Infiniti G35
Mazda 6s
Audi A4
BMW 325 (ha, try and find one sub-$30k with a steering wheel ...)
.... others
Just had the carpool guys go with me to try on a Mazda RX-8;
would really like to go with it, but it would be cruel and unusual
punishment to make one of them sit in back, and in a model with
a moonroof, my head won't fit under the roof (got to slouch, tilt,
or have a buddy cave my skull in an inch or so ...).
Yeah, you can't have it all, but you can get close, and the TSX seems
pretty darn close ...
--
Rick K
>[snip ...]
> Frankly, I'm not all that fond of most European cars. Italian cars blow
> my skirt up, but a VW looked like the best made car in that class, and
> my last one lasted almost 20 years and over 200,000 miles. I figure that
> was recommendation enough.
George, it appears we see more eye-to-eye than I might have
expected at first ... So, let me pose a question I've been wrestling with.
Given a situation where one participates in a carpool, where each drives
100+ miles round trip one or twice a week; the carpool has three-four
good-sized folks in it (well, maybe one lardbutt, yours truly);
Where one would like a quick & nimble, smallish/smaller car for the
above-stated carpool, as opposed to a bloato-mobile; where the
thought of a SUV is loathsome;
Where sub 7-second 0-60, 0.85-0.90g on the skidpad, better than 64mph
in a typical slalom, better than 125' 60-0 braking, MPG in the high twenties
if not 30mpg would be preferable ... what to get? Oh, and hopefully keep
the purchase under $30K?
The current players:
Acura TSX
Infiniti G35
Mazda 6s
Audi A4
BMW 325 (ha, try and find one sub-$30k with a steering wheel ...)
.... others
Just had the carpool guys go with me to try on a Mazda RX-8;
would really like to go with it, but it would be cruel and unusual
punishment to make one of them sit in back, and in a model with
a moonroof, my head won't fit under the roof (got to slouch, tilt,
or have a buddy cave my skull in an inch or so ...).
Yeah, you can't have it all, but you can get close, and the TSX seems
pretty darn close ...
--
Rick K
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Re: Fuel prices aren't dropping
In article <xipdc.52282$Lr3.50565@newssvr16.news.prodigy.com> ,
"Rick K" <vroop@dingo-nonsense.org> wrote:
> "George Graves" <gmgravesnos@pacbell.net> wrote:
> >[snip ...]
> > Frankly, I'm not all that fond of most European cars. Italian cars blow
> > my skirt up, but a VW looked like the best made car in that class, and
> > my last one lasted almost 20 years and over 200,000 miles. I figure that
> > was recommendation enough.
>
> George, it appears we see more eye-to-eye than I might have
> expected at first ... So, let me pose a question I've been wrestling with.
> Given a situation where one participates in a carpool, where each drives
> 100+ miles round trip one or twice a week; the carpool has three-four
> good-sized folks in it (well, maybe one lardbutt, yours truly);
>
> Where one would like a quick & nimble, smallish/smaller car for the
> above-stated carpool, as opposed to a bloato-mobile; where the
> thought of a SUV is loathsome;
>
> Where sub 7-second 0-60, 0.85-0.90g on the skidpad, better than 64mph
> in a typical slalom, better than 125' 60-0 braking, MPG in the high twenties
> if not 30mpg would be preferable ... what to get? Oh, and hopefully keep
> the purchase under $30K?
>
> The current players:
> Acura TSX
> Infiniti G35
> Mazda 6s
> Audi A4
> BMW 325 (ha, try and find one sub-$30k with a steering wheel ...)
> ... others
>
> Just had the carpool guys go with me to try on a Mazda RX-8;
> would really like to go with it, but it would be cruel and unusual
> punishment to make one of them sit in back, and in a model with
> a moonroof, my head won't fit under the roof (got to slouch, tilt,
> or have a buddy cave my skull in an inch or so ...).
>
> Yeah, you can't have it all, but you can get close, and the TSX seems
> pretty darn close ...
Try a VW Jetta with the VR-6 engine and the 18" wheels and
top-of-the-line trim package (Called a GLI, I believe). Comfortable for
4, well made, very good road-holding (as opposed to handling. Few modern
cars "handle" very well. Road-holding is the numbers, handling is how
the car feels, i.e. the "fun-factor").
--
George Graves
------------------
"If God drove a car, it would surely be an Alfa Romeo."
Juan Manuel Fangio
5-time world Grand Prix champion
"Rick K" <vroop@dingo-nonsense.org> wrote:
> "George Graves" <gmgravesnos@pacbell.net> wrote:
> >[snip ...]
> > Frankly, I'm not all that fond of most European cars. Italian cars blow
> > my skirt up, but a VW looked like the best made car in that class, and
> > my last one lasted almost 20 years and over 200,000 miles. I figure that
> > was recommendation enough.
>
> George, it appears we see more eye-to-eye than I might have
> expected at first ... So, let me pose a question I've been wrestling with.
> Given a situation where one participates in a carpool, where each drives
> 100+ miles round trip one or twice a week; the carpool has three-four
> good-sized folks in it (well, maybe one lardbutt, yours truly);
>
> Where one would like a quick & nimble, smallish/smaller car for the
> above-stated carpool, as opposed to a bloato-mobile; where the
> thought of a SUV is loathsome;
>
> Where sub 7-second 0-60, 0.85-0.90g on the skidpad, better than 64mph
> in a typical slalom, better than 125' 60-0 braking, MPG in the high twenties
> if not 30mpg would be preferable ... what to get? Oh, and hopefully keep
> the purchase under $30K?
>
> The current players:
> Acura TSX
> Infiniti G35
> Mazda 6s
> Audi A4
> BMW 325 (ha, try and find one sub-$30k with a steering wheel ...)
> ... others
>
> Just had the carpool guys go with me to try on a Mazda RX-8;
> would really like to go with it, but it would be cruel and unusual
> punishment to make one of them sit in back, and in a model with
> a moonroof, my head won't fit under the roof (got to slouch, tilt,
> or have a buddy cave my skull in an inch or so ...).
>
> Yeah, you can't have it all, but you can get close, and the TSX seems
> pretty darn close ...
Try a VW Jetta with the VR-6 engine and the 18" wheels and
top-of-the-line trim package (Called a GLI, I believe). Comfortable for
4, well made, very good road-holding (as opposed to handling. Few modern
cars "handle" very well. Road-holding is the numbers, handling is how
the car feels, i.e. the "fun-factor").
--
George Graves
------------------
"If God drove a car, it would surely be an Alfa Romeo."
Juan Manuel Fangio
5-time world Grand Prix champion
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Re: Fuel prices aren't dropping
On Fri, 09 Apr 2004 00:57:59 GMT, George Graves <gmgravesnos@pacbell.net> wrote:
>it. I think the US should close the gates on immigration, and start a
>zero-population-growth program NOW.
Which provision of the U.S. Constitution were you planning to distort
in order to support such a program? Or have "progressives" reached the
point where they don't even give thought to a triviality such as
the supreme law of the land when concocting their schemes?
--
Roger Blake
(Subtract 10 for email.)
>it. I think the US should close the gates on immigration, and start a
>zero-population-growth program NOW.
Which provision of the U.S. Constitution were you planning to distort
in order to support such a program? Or have "progressives" reached the
point where they don't even give thought to a triviality such as
the supreme law of the land when concocting their schemes?
--
Roger Blake
(Subtract 10 for email.)
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Rick K wrote:
>
> George, it appears we see more eye-to-eye than I might have
> expected at first ... So, let me pose a question I've been wrestling with.
> Given a situation where one participates in a carpool, where each drives
> 100+ miles round trip one or twice a week; the carpool has three-four
> good-sized folks in it (well, maybe one lardbutt, yours truly);
>
> Where one would like a quick & nimble, smallish/smaller car for the
> above-stated carpool, as opposed to a bloato-mobile; where the
> thought of a SUV is loathsome;
>
> Where sub 7-second 0-60, 0.85-0.90g on the skidpad, better than 64mph
> in a typical slalom, better than 125' 60-0 braking, MPG in the high twenties
> if not 30mpg would be preferable ... what to get? Oh, and hopefully keep
> the purchase under $30K?
You do all that stuff with your carpool buddies in the car? And they're
still speaking to you?
--
Mike Smith
>
> George, it appears we see more eye-to-eye than I might have
> expected at first ... So, let me pose a question I've been wrestling with.
> Given a situation where one participates in a carpool, where each drives
> 100+ miles round trip one or twice a week; the carpool has three-four
> good-sized folks in it (well, maybe one lardbutt, yours truly);
>
> Where one would like a quick & nimble, smallish/smaller car for the
> above-stated carpool, as opposed to a bloato-mobile; where the
> thought of a SUV is loathsome;
>
> Where sub 7-second 0-60, 0.85-0.90g on the skidpad, better than 64mph
> in a typical slalom, better than 125' 60-0 braking, MPG in the high twenties
> if not 30mpg would be preferable ... what to get? Oh, and hopefully keep
> the purchase under $30K?
You do all that stuff with your carpool buddies in the car? And they're
still speaking to you?
--
Mike Smith
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Re: Fuel prices aren't dropping
Roger Blake wrote:
> On Fri, 09 Apr 2004 00:57:59 GMT, George Graves <gmgravesnos@pacbell.net> wrote:
>
>>it. I think the US should close the gates on immigration, and start a
>>zero-population-growth program NOW.
>
>
> Which provision of the U.S. Constitution were you planning to distort
> in order to support such a program? Or have "progressives" reached the
> point where they don't even give thought to a triviality such as
> the supreme law of the land when concocting their schemes?
Indeed. In fact, one could argue that the right of the people to be
"secure in their homes and persons", which is enshrined in the Bill of
Rights, could be construed as a guarantee of the right to reproduce.
Of course, that's not to say that such rights should necessarily be free
of concomitant responsibilities. For instance, why do we give people a
tax *break* for having children? The police have to protect those
children, the armed forces defends those children, etc. It seems to me
that parents should pay a *tax* on children, rather than get money
*back*. And who knows, maybe this would have the effect of making a few
would-be parents think twice about having that first, or second, child.
(or third, or fourth, etc...)
--
Mike Smith
> On Fri, 09 Apr 2004 00:57:59 GMT, George Graves <gmgravesnos@pacbell.net> wrote:
>
>>it. I think the US should close the gates on immigration, and start a
>>zero-population-growth program NOW.
>
>
> Which provision of the U.S. Constitution were you planning to distort
> in order to support such a program? Or have "progressives" reached the
> point where they don't even give thought to a triviality such as
> the supreme law of the land when concocting their schemes?
Indeed. In fact, one could argue that the right of the people to be
"secure in their homes and persons", which is enshrined in the Bill of
Rights, could be construed as a guarantee of the right to reproduce.
Of course, that's not to say that such rights should necessarily be free
of concomitant responsibilities. For instance, why do we give people a
tax *break* for having children? The police have to protect those
children, the armed forces defends those children, etc. It seems to me
that parents should pay a *tax* on children, rather than get money
*back*. And who knows, maybe this would have the effect of making a few
would-be parents think twice about having that first, or second, child.
(or third, or fourth, etc...)
--
Mike Smith
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Re: Fuel prices aren't dropping
In article <slrnc7d78m.s1d.rogblake10@unix2.netaxs.com>,
rogblake10@iname10.com (Roger Blake) wrote:
> On Fri, 09 Apr 2004 00:57:59 GMT, George Graves <gmgravesnos@pacbell.net>
> wrote:
> >it. I think the US should close the gates on immigration, and start a
> >zero-population-growth program NOW.
>
> Which provision of the U.S. Constitution were you planning to distort
> in order to support such a program? Or have "progressives" reached the
> point where they don't even give thought to a triviality such as
> the supreme law of the land when concocting their schemes?
Since the Constitution covers NEITHER of those two issues, I don't see
what the Supreme Law of the Land has to do with it. Such measures would
be to protect the country from the slow death of overpopulation, and are
therefore good for the country.
--
George Graves
------------------
"If God drove a car, it would surely be an Alfa Romeo."
Juan Manuel Fangio
5-time world Grand Prix champion
rogblake10@iname10.com (Roger Blake) wrote:
> On Fri, 09 Apr 2004 00:57:59 GMT, George Graves <gmgravesnos@pacbell.net>
> wrote:
> >it. I think the US should close the gates on immigration, and start a
> >zero-population-growth program NOW.
>
> Which provision of the U.S. Constitution were you planning to distort
> in order to support such a program? Or have "progressives" reached the
> point where they don't even give thought to a triviality such as
> the supreme law of the land when concocting their schemes?
Since the Constitution covers NEITHER of those two issues, I don't see
what the Supreme Law of the Land has to do with it. Such measures would
be to protect the country from the slow death of overpopulation, and are
therefore good for the country.
--
George Graves
------------------
"If God drove a car, it would surely be an Alfa Romeo."
Juan Manuel Fangio
5-time world Grand Prix champion
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Re: Fuel prices aren't dropping
On Fri, 09 Apr 2004 16:40:53 GMT, George Graves <gmgravesnos@pacbell.net> wrote:
>Since the Constitution covers NEITHER of those two issues, I don't see
The intent of the Constitution was that the only powers the national
government would have in the U.S. would be those specifically delegated
to it in that document.
>what the Supreme Law of the Land has to do with it. Such measures would
The supreme law of the land has everything to do with what powers may
be lawfully wielded by the national government. Of course, perhaps you
believe that government should operate in a state of anarchy, with
no legal constraints or limits to power. (From what I have observed
this is the mindset of most "progressives.")
>be to protect the country from the slow death of overpopulation, and are
>therefore good for the country.
If you believe that is the case (I personally do not), then lobby for a
Constitutional amendment. It is a difficult process, of course, but
in the past has been done for reasons as idiotic as banning alcoholic
beverages.
For a good laugh, read the late 1960s book "The Limits to Growth" and
see where some of the more hysterical "progressives" of the time thought
we would be today.
--
Roger Blake
(Subtract 10 for email.)
>Since the Constitution covers NEITHER of those two issues, I don't see
The intent of the Constitution was that the only powers the national
government would have in the U.S. would be those specifically delegated
to it in that document.
>what the Supreme Law of the Land has to do with it. Such measures would
The supreme law of the land has everything to do with what powers may
be lawfully wielded by the national government. Of course, perhaps you
believe that government should operate in a state of anarchy, with
no legal constraints or limits to power. (From what I have observed
this is the mindset of most "progressives.")
>be to protect the country from the slow death of overpopulation, and are
>therefore good for the country.
If you believe that is the case (I personally do not), then lobby for a
Constitutional amendment. It is a difficult process, of course, but
in the past has been done for reasons as idiotic as banning alcoholic
beverages.
For a good laugh, read the late 1960s book "The Limits to Growth" and
see where some of the more hysterical "progressives" of the time thought
we would be today.
--
Roger Blake
(Subtract 10 for email.)