Tony

Dano58 wrote:
> On Aug 29, 7:09 pm, Tony <tonyjNOS...@NOSPAMvisi.com> wrote:
>
>> If you have a non-turbo the chips will have only minor effect.
>>
>> If turbo the chips can be anywhere from putting a smile on your face to
>> a real impact. But just like with any performance mod there are
>> trade-offs. High performance chips require other changes like higher
>> capacity injectors, upgraded turbos ... all which come with their
>> associated reliability issues. Performance costs money and high
>> performance costa a lot more money.
>>
>> I have an '04 A4 1.8 TQ6M and have chipped with a stage 1 APR (91 and 93
>> octane programs) which increases the performance very noticeably and
>> seems to be a good trade-off of performance and reliability for my
>> purposes. No other mods. Cost a bit over $600.
>>
>> What ever chip you consider will probably operate somewhat leaner than
>> the stock program. The factory program is a bit richer than needed over
>> the fuel / air map than is needed to be conservative and minimize the
>> risk of warranty repairs. I do a lot of highway driving and the leaner
>> map results in better mileage. On a 1,500 mile trip several weeks ago I
>> got 34.5 to 35.5 mpg on all tanks calculated and computed on the
>> display. This is partially due to the six speed being geared over 1:1 in
>> top gear.
>>
>> YMMV
>>
>> I also had an APR stage 1 in my former '98 1.8 TQM with similar results
>> but mileage was about 29 to 30 on the highway.
>>
>> I haven't had any reliability issues with either car but the Stage 1
>> chips are fairly conservative and don't stress the engine much with max
>> boost at about 17 PSA and sustained at about 14 or 15 compared to the
>> stock boost max at about 10 PSI and sustained at 7 PSI.
>>
>> With a turbo engine, go for it.
>>
>
> Good info, Tony. I have the same car as you - is yours Dolphin Grey by
> any chance? - and have been awaiting the imminent arrival of the
> end of my warranty (less than 1,000 miles away) to do this....... Is
> the APR an actual chip, or do they just reflash the ECU? I have heard
> of one manufacturer (can't remember who it was) that gives a 30-day
> trial on their 'chip'. I assume they reflash the ECU with some sort of
> timer that resets it after 30 days.
>
> What is the actual horsepower/torque bump with the APR? I would be
> very happy with 200 hp...
>
> Dan D
> '04 A4 1.8Tq MT-6
> Central NJ USA
>
>
Mine is the lighter blue (I think it is called denim). It also has the
sport suspension and '17 wheels that seem to go with that.

I think you have the option of sending in your ECU for a different chip
or having it flashed as a local APR dealer. I chose to have mine flashed.

The timed demo is real. In fact I have heard that the demo is effective
for only 24 hours or so.

With APR you will have the option of two programs. I chose 91 and 93
octane. I could have chosed one of these and the stock one. I think they
have a 95 octane program for track use but that is probably not useful
unless other mods ar done in addition to the software.

The programs can be selected by a combination of switching the key and
holding buttons ( I have it written down in the car).

I like APR but you may want so consider others that may have dealers
more local to your location.

Tony

Dano58 wrote:
> On Aug 29, 7:09 pm, Tony <tonyjNOS...@NOSPAMvisi.com> wrote:
>
>> If you have a non-turbo the chips will have only minor effect.
>>
>> If turbo the chips can be anywhere from putting a smile on your face to
>> a real impact. But just like with any performance mod there are
>> trade-offs. High performance chips require other changes like higher
>> capacity injectors, upgraded turbos ... all which come with their
>> associated reliability issues. Performance costs money and high
>> performance costa a lot more money.
>>
>> I have an '04 A4 1.8 TQ6M and have chipped with a stage 1 APR (91 and 93
>> octane programs) which increases the performance very noticeably and
>> seems to be a good trade-off of performance and reliability for my
>> purposes. No other mods. Cost a bit over $600.
>>
>> What ever chip you consider will probably operate somewhat leaner than
>> the stock program. The factory program is a bit richer than needed over
>> the fuel / air map than is needed to be conservative and minimize the
>> risk of warranty repairs. I do a lot of highway driving and the leaner
>> map results in better mileage. On a 1,500 mile trip several weeks ago I
>> got 34.5 to 35.5 mpg on all tanks calculated and computed on the
>> display. This is partially due to the six speed being geared over 1:1 in
>> top gear.
>>
>> YMMV
>>
>> I also had an APR stage 1 in my former '98 1.8 TQM with similar results
>> but mileage was about 29 to 30 on the highway.
>>
>> I haven't had any reliability issues with either car but the Stage 1
>> chips are fairly conservative and don't stress the engine much with max
>> boost at about 17 PSA and sustained at about 14 or 15 compared to the
>> stock boost max at about 10 PSI and sustained at 7 PSI.
>>
>> With a turbo engine, go for it.
>>
>
> Good info, Tony. I have the same car as you - is yours Dolphin Grey by
> any chance? - and have been awaiting the imminent arrival of the
> end of my warranty (less than 1,000 miles away) to do this....... Is
> the APR an actual chip, or do they just reflash the ECU? I have heard
> of one manufacturer (can't remember who it was) that gives a 30-day
> trial on their 'chip'. I assume they reflash the ECU with some sort of
> timer that resets it after 30 days.
>
> What is the actual horsepower/torque bump with the APR? I would be
> very happy with 200 hp...
>
> Dan D
> '04 A4 1.8Tq MT-6
> Central NJ USA
>
>
Mine is the lighter blue (I think it is called denim). It also has the
sport suspension and '17 wheels that seem to go with that.

I think you have the option of sending in your ECU for a different chip
or having it flashed as a local APR dealer. I chose to have mine flashed.

The timed demo is real. In fact I have heard that the demo is effective
for only 24 hours or so.

With APR you will have the option of two programs. I chose 91 and 93
octane. I could have chosed one of these and the stock one. I think they
have a 95 octane program for track use but that is probably not useful
unless other mods ar done in addition to the software.

The programs can be selected by a combination of switching the key and
holding buttons ( I have it written down in the car).

I like APR but you may want so consider others that may have dealers
more local to your location.

Tony

Dano58 wrote:
> On Aug 29, 7:09 pm, Tony <tonyjNOS...@NOSPAMvisi.com> wrote:
>
>> If you have a non-turbo the chips will have only minor effect.
>>
>> If turbo the chips can be anywhere from putting a smile on your face to
>> a real impact. But just like with any performance mod there are
>> trade-offs. High performance chips require other changes like higher
>> capacity injectors, upgraded turbos ... all which come with their
>> associated reliability issues. Performance costs money and high
>> performance costa a lot more money.
>>
>> I have an '04 A4 1.8 TQ6M and have chipped with a stage 1 APR (91 and 93
>> octane programs) which increases the performance very noticeably and
>> seems to be a good trade-off of performance and reliability for my
>> purposes. No other mods. Cost a bit over $600.
>>
>> What ever chip you consider will probably operate somewhat leaner than
>> the stock program. The factory program is a bit richer than needed over
>> the fuel / air map than is needed to be conservative and minimize the
>> risk of warranty repairs. I do a lot of highway driving and the leaner
>> map results in better mileage. On a 1,500 mile trip several weeks ago I
>> got 34.5 to 35.5 mpg on all tanks calculated and computed on the
>> display. This is partially due to the six speed being geared over 1:1 in
>> top gear.
>>
>> YMMV
>>
>> I also had an APR stage 1 in my former '98 1.8 TQM with similar results
>> but mileage was about 29 to 30 on the highway.
>>
>> I haven't had any reliability issues with either car but the Stage 1
>> chips are fairly conservative and don't stress the engine much with max
>> boost at about 17 PSA and sustained at about 14 or 15 compared to the
>> stock boost max at about 10 PSI and sustained at 7 PSI.
>>
>> With a turbo engine, go for it.
>>
>
> Good info, Tony. I have the same car as you - is yours Dolphin Grey by
> any chance? - and have been awaiting the imminent arrival of the
> end of my warranty (less than 1,000 miles away) to do this....... Is
> the APR an actual chip, or do they just reflash the ECU? I have heard
> of one manufacturer (can't remember who it was) that gives a 30-day
> trial on their 'chip'. I assume they reflash the ECU with some sort of
> timer that resets it after 30 days.
>
> What is the actual horsepower/torque bump with the APR? I would be
> very happy with 200 hp...
>
> Dan D
> '04 A4 1.8Tq MT-6
> Central NJ USA
>
>
Mine is the lighter blue (I think it is called denim). It also has the
sport suspension and '17 wheels that seem to go with that.

I think you have the option of sending in your ECU for a different chip
or having it flashed as a local APR dealer. I chose to have mine flashed.

The timed demo is real. In fact I have heard that the demo is effective
for only 24 hours or so.

With APR you will have the option of two programs. I chose 91 and 93
octane. I could have chosed one of these and the stock one. I think they
have a 95 octane program for track use but that is probably not useful
unless other mods ar done in addition to the software.

The programs can be selected by a combination of switching the key and
holding buttons ( I have it written down in the car).

I like APR but you may want so consider others that may have dealers
more local to your location.

Madesio

On Wed, 29 Aug 2007 17:53:59 -0400, daytripper
<day_trippr@REMOVEyahoo.com> wrote:

>On Wed, 29 Aug 2007 14:27:37 -0700, Steve Daniels <sdaniels@gorge.net> wrote:
>>
>>I took a cruise around the interweb looking a chips. I've found
>>them from $500 ~ $650. They claim to give more low end torque,
>>snapper high end performance, a cure for acne, and will make you
>>more attractive to women.
>>
>>I'd like to know the downside. I mean, if a simple bit of code
>>can make autolife so much better, why doesn't Audi put it in at
>>the factory?
>
>Could be many reasons, but certainly causing a engine to put out significantly
>more power than as shipped by the manufacturer raises the possibility of some
>engine components failing earlier/more often than they would have.

I've been soldering and flashing GIAC software into vehicles for
years. I've yet to see anything fail due to the chip as of yet.

>I've yet to chip my S4. No particular reason, I guess I'm just satisfied with
>the stock performance. But as I understand it, the chips raise the turbo
>pressure and remap the fuel management to accommodate the increased boost.
>They also, I believe, raise the engine rpm limit.

S4 chipped.. you will be glad you did it. Trust me it is *very*
noticeble in that car.

>So it's not hard to see where the performance increases are coming from.
>The acne and women things are, however, not resolved with a chip
>
>/daytripper
>'00 s4 6spd

Madesio

On Wed, 29 Aug 2007 17:53:59 -0400, daytripper
<day_trippr@REMOVEyahoo.com> wrote:

>On Wed, 29 Aug 2007 14:27:37 -0700, Steve Daniels <sdaniels@gorge.net> wrote:
>>
>>I took a cruise around the interweb looking a chips. I've found
>>them from $500 ~ $650. They claim to give more low end torque,
>>snapper high end performance, a cure for acne, and will make you
>>more attractive to women.
>>
>>I'd like to know the downside. I mean, if a simple bit of code
>>can make autolife so much better, why doesn't Audi put it in at
>>the factory?
>
>Could be many reasons, but certainly causing a engine to put out significantly
>more power than as shipped by the manufacturer raises the possibility of some
>engine components failing earlier/more often than they would have.

I've been soldering and flashing GIAC software into vehicles for
years. I've yet to see anything fail due to the chip as of yet.

>I've yet to chip my S4. No particular reason, I guess I'm just satisfied with
>the stock performance. But as I understand it, the chips raise the turbo
>pressure and remap the fuel management to accommodate the increased boost.
>They also, I believe, raise the engine rpm limit.

S4 chipped.. you will be glad you did it. Trust me it is *very*
noticeble in that car.

>So it's not hard to see where the performance increases are coming from.
>The acne and women things are, however, not resolved with a chip
>
>/daytripper
>'00 s4 6spd

Madesio

On Wed, 29 Aug 2007 17:53:59 -0400, daytripper
<day_trippr@REMOVEyahoo.com> wrote:

>On Wed, 29 Aug 2007 14:27:37 -0700, Steve Daniels <sdaniels@gorge.net> wrote:
>>
>>I took a cruise around the interweb looking a chips. I've found
>>them from $500 ~ $650. They claim to give more low end torque,
>>snapper high end performance, a cure for acne, and will make you
>>more attractive to women.
>>
>>I'd like to know the downside. I mean, if a simple bit of code
>>can make autolife so much better, why doesn't Audi put it in at
>>the factory?
>
>Could be many reasons, but certainly causing a engine to put out significantly
>more power than as shipped by the manufacturer raises the possibility of some
>engine components failing earlier/more often than they would have.

I've been soldering and flashing GIAC software into vehicles for
years. I've yet to see anything fail due to the chip as of yet.

>I've yet to chip my S4. No particular reason, I guess I'm just satisfied with
>the stock performance. But as I understand it, the chips raise the turbo
>pressure and remap the fuel management to accommodate the increased boost.
>They also, I believe, raise the engine rpm limit.

S4 chipped.. you will be glad you did it. Trust me it is *very*
noticeble in that car.

>So it's not hard to see where the performance increases are coming from.
>The acne and women things are, however, not resolved with a chip
>
>/daytripper
>'00 s4 6spd

Madesio

On Wed, 29 Aug 2007 17:53:59 -0400, daytripper
<day_trippr@REMOVEyahoo.com> wrote:

>On Wed, 29 Aug 2007 14:27:37 -0700, Steve Daniels <sdaniels@gorge.net> wrote:
>>
>>I took a cruise around the interweb looking a chips. I've found
>>them from $500 ~ $650. They claim to give more low end torque,
>>snapper high end performance, a cure for acne, and will make you
>>more attractive to women.
>>
>>I'd like to know the downside. I mean, if a simple bit of code
>>can make autolife so much better, why doesn't Audi put it in at
>>the factory?
>
>Could be many reasons, but certainly causing a engine to put out significantly
>more power than as shipped by the manufacturer raises the possibility of some
>engine components failing earlier/more often than they would have.

I've been soldering and flashing GIAC software into vehicles for
years. I've yet to see anything fail due to the chip as of yet.

>I've yet to chip my S4. No particular reason, I guess I'm just satisfied with
>the stock performance. But as I understand it, the chips raise the turbo
>pressure and remap the fuel management to accommodate the increased boost.
>They also, I believe, raise the engine rpm limit.

S4 chipped.. you will be glad you did it. Trust me it is *very*
noticeble in that car.

>So it's not hard to see where the performance increases are coming from.
>The acne and women things are, however, not resolved with a chip
>
>/daytripper
>'00 s4 6spd

TonyJ

justints wrote:
> I just had my recently purchased 03 A4 1.8T flashed with the Neuspeed
> Optican flash. Its a tiny bit choppy but wow...it's like an entirely
> different car. Does anyone have experience with this flash? I'm
> wondering if there's anything else simple I might consider to augment
> the yumminess of the tuning: pullies, injectors, pipes (quiet ones),
> cold air intake? I don;t want to go as far as a K04 or anything...just
> want to support the chipping. I'm in Ontario Canada where the emissions
> criteria are certainly not as stringent as they are in California.
>
> Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
>
> - J
>
>
>
I have an '04 1.8 TQ6M with the APR stage 1 chip 91 and 93 octane. It
works very well for me and I have stopped at that.

If you are interested in pushing further the steps you mentioned are the
right ones. You may want to check on of the forums that are more
oriented to performance tuning such as AudiWorld Or AudiZone. Either
have posters with a lot of knowledge and willingnes to share the
information.
The AW B6 forum:
http://forums.audiworld.com/a4gen2/
You will also find a list of other AW forums one of which will be
devoted to tuning.

Generally, the injectors are probably the best next step. Most people
move to the TT injectors that flow more to meet stage 1 + needs.

A cat back free flowing system is a good compliment to the SW and
injectors but there are a lot of choices and as many opinions.

Most everyone will tell you to skip on the cold air intake. The stock
system is well engineered to be able to handle far more power. Most
after-market intakes actually reduce performance in exchange for a bit
of bling.

I would suggest talking to Neuspeed to get their thoughts on the
'choppy' issue and at the same time ask their suggestions for additional
steps that seem to work well with their software.

Have fun.