Audi A2 / VW Lupo 3 cyl. 1.2 Turbo Diesel
12-23-2006, 09:25 AM
#11
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Audi A2 / VW Lupo 3 cyl. 1.2 Turbo Diesel
On 22 Dec 2006 17:59:58 -0800, "bbutlergps" <billbutlergps@aol.com>
wrote:
>
>It comes down to money. I am not against putting a rotax or other small
>aviation engine in a Zenith 701. Many others have put automotive
>engines in airplanes put have to gear the prop down. To get a small
>automotive engine to put out the hp and torque you have to turn lots of
>RPMs. The automotive light wieght diesels however have enough hp and
>torque at the lower rpm. Also the engines sip fuel versus their gas
>cousins. Even though the power plant would weigh more than an aviation
>engine ie Rotax 912 you could easily put smaller fuel tanks or carry
>half the fuel.
>The reason I contacted this board was in hopes that somebody would know
>of a good salvage yard (breaker), good rebuilder, or a parts dealer
>that I could get a new in crate engine.
>Diesel engines have gotten lighter, more powerful as well as goes
>further on a liter of diesel. This in part to common rail fuel
>injection as well as the ECU (electronic control unit).
>Once again since we in the "States" dont'have these cars, VW Lupo or
>Audi A2 or the 1.2 liter 3 cylinder turbo diesel power plants I am
>turning to you all for assistance.
>Thanks,
>Bill
Are you sure that using an engine that isn't sold in the US is a good
idea? Getting parts and significant support may be a problem.
You may want to check reliability of the engine components, and what
the ECM controls. In some vehicles the ECM does both the engine and
the transmission (if it is an automatic), and that could be an
issue--you'd have to get a manual transmission engine/components.
Were this me, I'd want the entire car, so I can take all the little
bits and pieces (nothing like needing that unique valve that mounts on
hte firewall and costs a billion dollars...) as they are needed. Not
sure what your budget is but it may be possible to import one as
parts? (May be, but I"m not sure...)
Your project does sound interesting, however. <g>
wrote:
>
>It comes down to money. I am not against putting a rotax or other small
>aviation engine in a Zenith 701. Many others have put automotive
>engines in airplanes put have to gear the prop down. To get a small
>automotive engine to put out the hp and torque you have to turn lots of
>RPMs. The automotive light wieght diesels however have enough hp and
>torque at the lower rpm. Also the engines sip fuel versus their gas
>cousins. Even though the power plant would weigh more than an aviation
>engine ie Rotax 912 you could easily put smaller fuel tanks or carry
>half the fuel.
>The reason I contacted this board was in hopes that somebody would know
>of a good salvage yard (breaker), good rebuilder, or a parts dealer
>that I could get a new in crate engine.
>Diesel engines have gotten lighter, more powerful as well as goes
>further on a liter of diesel. This in part to common rail fuel
>injection as well as the ECU (electronic control unit).
>Once again since we in the "States" dont'have these cars, VW Lupo or
>Audi A2 or the 1.2 liter 3 cylinder turbo diesel power plants I am
>turning to you all for assistance.
>Thanks,
>Bill
Are you sure that using an engine that isn't sold in the US is a good
idea? Getting parts and significant support may be a problem.
You may want to check reliability of the engine components, and what
the ECM controls. In some vehicles the ECM does both the engine and
the transmission (if it is an automatic), and that could be an
issue--you'd have to get a manual transmission engine/components.
Were this me, I'd want the entire car, so I can take all the little
bits and pieces (nothing like needing that unique valve that mounts on
hte firewall and costs a billion dollars...) as they are needed. Not
sure what your budget is but it may be possible to import one as
parts? (May be, but I"m not sure...)
Your project does sound interesting, however. <g>
12-23-2006, 09:25 AM
#12
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Audi A2 / VW Lupo 3 cyl. 1.2 Turbo Diesel
On 22 Dec 2006 17:59:58 -0800, "bbutlergps" <billbutlergps@aol.com>
wrote:
>
>It comes down to money. I am not against putting a rotax or other small
>aviation engine in a Zenith 701. Many others have put automotive
>engines in airplanes put have to gear the prop down. To get a small
>automotive engine to put out the hp and torque you have to turn lots of
>RPMs. The automotive light wieght diesels however have enough hp and
>torque at the lower rpm. Also the engines sip fuel versus their gas
>cousins. Even though the power plant would weigh more than an aviation
>engine ie Rotax 912 you could easily put smaller fuel tanks or carry
>half the fuel.
>The reason I contacted this board was in hopes that somebody would know
>of a good salvage yard (breaker), good rebuilder, or a parts dealer
>that I could get a new in crate engine.
>Diesel engines have gotten lighter, more powerful as well as goes
>further on a liter of diesel. This in part to common rail fuel
>injection as well as the ECU (electronic control unit).
>Once again since we in the "States" dont'have these cars, VW Lupo or
>Audi A2 or the 1.2 liter 3 cylinder turbo diesel power plants I am
>turning to you all for assistance.
>Thanks,
>Bill
Are you sure that using an engine that isn't sold in the US is a good
idea? Getting parts and significant support may be a problem.
You may want to check reliability of the engine components, and what
the ECM controls. In some vehicles the ECM does both the engine and
the transmission (if it is an automatic), and that could be an
issue--you'd have to get a manual transmission engine/components.
Were this me, I'd want the entire car, so I can take all the little
bits and pieces (nothing like needing that unique valve that mounts on
hte firewall and costs a billion dollars...) as they are needed. Not
sure what your budget is but it may be possible to import one as
parts? (May be, but I"m not sure...)
Your project does sound interesting, however. <g>
wrote:
>
>It comes down to money. I am not against putting a rotax or other small
>aviation engine in a Zenith 701. Many others have put automotive
>engines in airplanes put have to gear the prop down. To get a small
>automotive engine to put out the hp and torque you have to turn lots of
>RPMs. The automotive light wieght diesels however have enough hp and
>torque at the lower rpm. Also the engines sip fuel versus their gas
>cousins. Even though the power plant would weigh more than an aviation
>engine ie Rotax 912 you could easily put smaller fuel tanks or carry
>half the fuel.
>The reason I contacted this board was in hopes that somebody would know
>of a good salvage yard (breaker), good rebuilder, or a parts dealer
>that I could get a new in crate engine.
>Diesel engines have gotten lighter, more powerful as well as goes
>further on a liter of diesel. This in part to common rail fuel
>injection as well as the ECU (electronic control unit).
>Once again since we in the "States" dont'have these cars, VW Lupo or
>Audi A2 or the 1.2 liter 3 cylinder turbo diesel power plants I am
>turning to you all for assistance.
>Thanks,
>Bill
Are you sure that using an engine that isn't sold in the US is a good
idea? Getting parts and significant support may be a problem.
You may want to check reliability of the engine components, and what
the ECM controls. In some vehicles the ECM does both the engine and
the transmission (if it is an automatic), and that could be an
issue--you'd have to get a manual transmission engine/components.
Were this me, I'd want the entire car, so I can take all the little
bits and pieces (nothing like needing that unique valve that mounts on
hte firewall and costs a billion dollars...) as they are needed. Not
sure what your budget is but it may be possible to import one as
parts? (May be, but I"m not sure...)
Your project does sound interesting, however. <g>
12-23-2006, 09:25 AM
#13
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Audi A2 / VW Lupo 3 cyl. 1.2 Turbo Diesel
On 22 Dec 2006 17:59:58 -0800, "bbutlergps" <billbutlergps@aol.com>
wrote:
>
>It comes down to money. I am not against putting a rotax or other small
>aviation engine in a Zenith 701. Many others have put automotive
>engines in airplanes put have to gear the prop down. To get a small
>automotive engine to put out the hp and torque you have to turn lots of
>RPMs. The automotive light wieght diesels however have enough hp and
>torque at the lower rpm. Also the engines sip fuel versus their gas
>cousins. Even though the power plant would weigh more than an aviation
>engine ie Rotax 912 you could easily put smaller fuel tanks or carry
>half the fuel.
>The reason I contacted this board was in hopes that somebody would know
>of a good salvage yard (breaker), good rebuilder, or a parts dealer
>that I could get a new in crate engine.
>Diesel engines have gotten lighter, more powerful as well as goes
>further on a liter of diesel. This in part to common rail fuel
>injection as well as the ECU (electronic control unit).
>Once again since we in the "States" dont'have these cars, VW Lupo or
>Audi A2 or the 1.2 liter 3 cylinder turbo diesel power plants I am
>turning to you all for assistance.
>Thanks,
>Bill
Are you sure that using an engine that isn't sold in the US is a good
idea? Getting parts and significant support may be a problem.
You may want to check reliability of the engine components, and what
the ECM controls. In some vehicles the ECM does both the engine and
the transmission (if it is an automatic), and that could be an
issue--you'd have to get a manual transmission engine/components.
Were this me, I'd want the entire car, so I can take all the little
bits and pieces (nothing like needing that unique valve that mounts on
hte firewall and costs a billion dollars...) as they are needed. Not
sure what your budget is but it may be possible to import one as
parts? (May be, but I"m not sure...)
Your project does sound interesting, however. <g>
wrote:
>
>It comes down to money. I am not against putting a rotax or other small
>aviation engine in a Zenith 701. Many others have put automotive
>engines in airplanes put have to gear the prop down. To get a small
>automotive engine to put out the hp and torque you have to turn lots of
>RPMs. The automotive light wieght diesels however have enough hp and
>torque at the lower rpm. Also the engines sip fuel versus their gas
>cousins. Even though the power plant would weigh more than an aviation
>engine ie Rotax 912 you could easily put smaller fuel tanks or carry
>half the fuel.
>The reason I contacted this board was in hopes that somebody would know
>of a good salvage yard (breaker), good rebuilder, or a parts dealer
>that I could get a new in crate engine.
>Diesel engines have gotten lighter, more powerful as well as goes
>further on a liter of diesel. This in part to common rail fuel
>injection as well as the ECU (electronic control unit).
>Once again since we in the "States" dont'have these cars, VW Lupo or
>Audi A2 or the 1.2 liter 3 cylinder turbo diesel power plants I am
>turning to you all for assistance.
>Thanks,
>Bill
Are you sure that using an engine that isn't sold in the US is a good
idea? Getting parts and significant support may be a problem.
You may want to check reliability of the engine components, and what
the ECM controls. In some vehicles the ECM does both the engine and
the transmission (if it is an automatic), and that could be an
issue--you'd have to get a manual transmission engine/components.
Were this me, I'd want the entire car, so I can take all the little
bits and pieces (nothing like needing that unique valve that mounts on
hte firewall and costs a billion dollars...) as they are needed. Not
sure what your budget is but it may be possible to import one as
parts? (May be, but I"m not sure...)
Your project does sound interesting, however. <g>
12-23-2006, 10:06 AM
#14
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Audi A2 / VW Lupo 3 cyl. 1.2 Turbo Diesel
> Are you sure that using an engine that isn't sold in the US is a good
> idea? Getting parts and significant support may be a problem.
>
> You may want to check reliability of the engine components, and what
> the ECM controls. In some vehicles the ECM does both the engine and
> the transmission (if it is an automatic), and that could be an
> issue--you'd have to get a manual transmission engine/components.
>
> Were this me, I'd want the entire car, so I can take all the little
> bits and pieces (nothing like needing that unique valve that mounts on
> hte firewall and costs a billion dollars...) as they are needed. Not
> sure what your budget is but it may be possible to import one as
> parts? (May be, but I"m not sure...)
>
> Your project does sound interesting, however. <g>
Given that the 1.2 Lupo/A2 were 3L cars and fairly specialist I would pretty
much guarantee that the ECU controls more than the engine. IIRC, they had
fairly clever automatic gearboxes that allowed them to achieve good mpg
figures. Thinking further, I believe you can't run one of these engines
without the instrument cluster from the same car. So really to use it in an
aero application it would need a custom ECU
If the OP is intent on getting a small diesel then perhaps the 1.4 3
cylinder engine would be a better option as it is still economical but can
be chipped up to around 100bhp
> idea? Getting parts and significant support may be a problem.
>
> You may want to check reliability of the engine components, and what
> the ECM controls. In some vehicles the ECM does both the engine and
> the transmission (if it is an automatic), and that could be an
> issue--you'd have to get a manual transmission engine/components.
>
> Were this me, I'd want the entire car, so I can take all the little
> bits and pieces (nothing like needing that unique valve that mounts on
> hte firewall and costs a billion dollars...) as they are needed. Not
> sure what your budget is but it may be possible to import one as
> parts? (May be, but I"m not sure...)
>
> Your project does sound interesting, however. <g>
Given that the 1.2 Lupo/A2 were 3L cars and fairly specialist I would pretty
much guarantee that the ECU controls more than the engine. IIRC, they had
fairly clever automatic gearboxes that allowed them to achieve good mpg
figures. Thinking further, I believe you can't run one of these engines
without the instrument cluster from the same car. So really to use it in an
aero application it would need a custom ECU
If the OP is intent on getting a small diesel then perhaps the 1.4 3
cylinder engine would be a better option as it is still economical but can
be chipped up to around 100bhp
12-23-2006, 10:06 AM
#15
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Audi A2 / VW Lupo 3 cyl. 1.2 Turbo Diesel
> Are you sure that using an engine that isn't sold in the US is a good
> idea? Getting parts and significant support may be a problem.
>
> You may want to check reliability of the engine components, and what
> the ECM controls. In some vehicles the ECM does both the engine and
> the transmission (if it is an automatic), and that could be an
> issue--you'd have to get a manual transmission engine/components.
>
> Were this me, I'd want the entire car, so I can take all the little
> bits and pieces (nothing like needing that unique valve that mounts on
> hte firewall and costs a billion dollars...) as they are needed. Not
> sure what your budget is but it may be possible to import one as
> parts? (May be, but I"m not sure...)
>
> Your project does sound interesting, however. <g>
Given that the 1.2 Lupo/A2 were 3L cars and fairly specialist I would pretty
much guarantee that the ECU controls more than the engine. IIRC, they had
fairly clever automatic gearboxes that allowed them to achieve good mpg
figures. Thinking further, I believe you can't run one of these engines
without the instrument cluster from the same car. So really to use it in an
aero application it would need a custom ECU
If the OP is intent on getting a small diesel then perhaps the 1.4 3
cylinder engine would be a better option as it is still economical but can
be chipped up to around 100bhp
> idea? Getting parts and significant support may be a problem.
>
> You may want to check reliability of the engine components, and what
> the ECM controls. In some vehicles the ECM does both the engine and
> the transmission (if it is an automatic), and that could be an
> issue--you'd have to get a manual transmission engine/components.
>
> Were this me, I'd want the entire car, so I can take all the little
> bits and pieces (nothing like needing that unique valve that mounts on
> hte firewall and costs a billion dollars...) as they are needed. Not
> sure what your budget is but it may be possible to import one as
> parts? (May be, but I"m not sure...)
>
> Your project does sound interesting, however. <g>
Given that the 1.2 Lupo/A2 were 3L cars and fairly specialist I would pretty
much guarantee that the ECU controls more than the engine. IIRC, they had
fairly clever automatic gearboxes that allowed them to achieve good mpg
figures. Thinking further, I believe you can't run one of these engines
without the instrument cluster from the same car. So really to use it in an
aero application it would need a custom ECU
If the OP is intent on getting a small diesel then perhaps the 1.4 3
cylinder engine would be a better option as it is still economical but can
be chipped up to around 100bhp
12-23-2006, 10:06 AM
#16
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Audi A2 / VW Lupo 3 cyl. 1.2 Turbo Diesel
> Are you sure that using an engine that isn't sold in the US is a good
> idea? Getting parts and significant support may be a problem.
>
> You may want to check reliability of the engine components, and what
> the ECM controls. In some vehicles the ECM does both the engine and
> the transmission (if it is an automatic), and that could be an
> issue--you'd have to get a manual transmission engine/components.
>
> Were this me, I'd want the entire car, so I can take all the little
> bits and pieces (nothing like needing that unique valve that mounts on
> hte firewall and costs a billion dollars...) as they are needed. Not
> sure what your budget is but it may be possible to import one as
> parts? (May be, but I"m not sure...)
>
> Your project does sound interesting, however. <g>
Given that the 1.2 Lupo/A2 were 3L cars and fairly specialist I would pretty
much guarantee that the ECU controls more than the engine. IIRC, they had
fairly clever automatic gearboxes that allowed them to achieve good mpg
figures. Thinking further, I believe you can't run one of these engines
without the instrument cluster from the same car. So really to use it in an
aero application it would need a custom ECU
If the OP is intent on getting a small diesel then perhaps the 1.4 3
cylinder engine would be a better option as it is still economical but can
be chipped up to around 100bhp
> idea? Getting parts and significant support may be a problem.
>
> You may want to check reliability of the engine components, and what
> the ECM controls. In some vehicles the ECM does both the engine and
> the transmission (if it is an automatic), and that could be an
> issue--you'd have to get a manual transmission engine/components.
>
> Were this me, I'd want the entire car, so I can take all the little
> bits and pieces (nothing like needing that unique valve that mounts on
> hte firewall and costs a billion dollars...) as they are needed. Not
> sure what your budget is but it may be possible to import one as
> parts? (May be, but I"m not sure...)
>
> Your project does sound interesting, however. <g>
Given that the 1.2 Lupo/A2 were 3L cars and fairly specialist I would pretty
much guarantee that the ECU controls more than the engine. IIRC, they had
fairly clever automatic gearboxes that allowed them to achieve good mpg
figures. Thinking further, I believe you can't run one of these engines
without the instrument cluster from the same car. So really to use it in an
aero application it would need a custom ECU
If the OP is intent on getting a small diesel then perhaps the 1.4 3
cylinder engine would be a better option as it is still economical but can
be chipped up to around 100bhp
12-23-2006, 10:06 AM
#17
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Audi A2 / VW Lupo 3 cyl. 1.2 Turbo Diesel
> Are you sure that using an engine that isn't sold in the US is a good
> idea? Getting parts and significant support may be a problem.
>
> You may want to check reliability of the engine components, and what
> the ECM controls. In some vehicles the ECM does both the engine and
> the transmission (if it is an automatic), and that could be an
> issue--you'd have to get a manual transmission engine/components.
>
> Were this me, I'd want the entire car, so I can take all the little
> bits and pieces (nothing like needing that unique valve that mounts on
> hte firewall and costs a billion dollars...) as they are needed. Not
> sure what your budget is but it may be possible to import one as
> parts? (May be, but I"m not sure...)
>
> Your project does sound interesting, however. <g>
Given that the 1.2 Lupo/A2 were 3L cars and fairly specialist I would pretty
much guarantee that the ECU controls more than the engine. IIRC, they had
fairly clever automatic gearboxes that allowed them to achieve good mpg
figures. Thinking further, I believe you can't run one of these engines
without the instrument cluster from the same car. So really to use it in an
aero application it would need a custom ECU
If the OP is intent on getting a small diesel then perhaps the 1.4 3
cylinder engine would be a better option as it is still economical but can
be chipped up to around 100bhp
> idea? Getting parts and significant support may be a problem.
>
> You may want to check reliability of the engine components, and what
> the ECM controls. In some vehicles the ECM does both the engine and
> the transmission (if it is an automatic), and that could be an
> issue--you'd have to get a manual transmission engine/components.
>
> Were this me, I'd want the entire car, so I can take all the little
> bits and pieces (nothing like needing that unique valve that mounts on
> hte firewall and costs a billion dollars...) as they are needed. Not
> sure what your budget is but it may be possible to import one as
> parts? (May be, but I"m not sure...)
>
> Your project does sound interesting, however. <g>
Given that the 1.2 Lupo/A2 were 3L cars and fairly specialist I would pretty
much guarantee that the ECU controls more than the engine. IIRC, they had
fairly clever automatic gearboxes that allowed them to achieve good mpg
figures. Thinking further, I believe you can't run one of these engines
without the instrument cluster from the same car. So really to use it in an
aero application it would need a custom ECU
If the OP is intent on getting a small diesel then perhaps the 1.4 3
cylinder engine would be a better option as it is still economical but can
be chipped up to around 100bhp
12-23-2006, 11:27 AM
#18
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Audi A2 / VW Lupo 3 cyl. 1.2 Turbo Diesel
In message <Bucjh.17566$KT2.10053@newsfe2-win.ntli.net>
"Dave" <dave@nobody.com> wrote:
> If the OP is intent on getting a small diesel then perhaps the 1.4 3
> cylinder engine would be a better option as it is still economical but can
> be chipped up to around 100bhp
However, the 1.4 is significantly heavier than the 1.2 - a distinct
disadvantage for an aero application.
--
Peter Bell (Note Spamtrap - To reply, replace 'invalid' with 'bellfamily')
"Dave" <dave@nobody.com> wrote:
> If the OP is intent on getting a small diesel then perhaps the 1.4 3
> cylinder engine would be a better option as it is still economical but can
> be chipped up to around 100bhp
However, the 1.4 is significantly heavier than the 1.2 - a distinct
disadvantage for an aero application.
--
Peter Bell (Note Spamtrap - To reply, replace 'invalid' with 'bellfamily')
12-23-2006, 11:27 AM
#19
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Audi A2 / VW Lupo 3 cyl. 1.2 Turbo Diesel
In message <Bucjh.17566$KT2.10053@newsfe2-win.ntli.net>
"Dave" <dave@nobody.com> wrote:
> If the OP is intent on getting a small diesel then perhaps the 1.4 3
> cylinder engine would be a better option as it is still economical but can
> be chipped up to around 100bhp
However, the 1.4 is significantly heavier than the 1.2 - a distinct
disadvantage for an aero application.
--
Peter Bell (Note Spamtrap - To reply, replace 'invalid' with 'bellfamily')
"Dave" <dave@nobody.com> wrote:
> If the OP is intent on getting a small diesel then perhaps the 1.4 3
> cylinder engine would be a better option as it is still economical but can
> be chipped up to around 100bhp
However, the 1.4 is significantly heavier than the 1.2 - a distinct
disadvantage for an aero application.
--
Peter Bell (Note Spamtrap - To reply, replace 'invalid' with 'bellfamily')
12-23-2006, 11:27 AM
#20
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Audi A2 / VW Lupo 3 cyl. 1.2 Turbo Diesel
In message <Bucjh.17566$KT2.10053@newsfe2-win.ntli.net>
"Dave" <dave@nobody.com> wrote:
> If the OP is intent on getting a small diesel then perhaps the 1.4 3
> cylinder engine would be a better option as it is still economical but can
> be chipped up to around 100bhp
However, the 1.4 is significantly heavier than the 1.2 - a distinct
disadvantage for an aero application.
--
Peter Bell (Note Spamtrap - To reply, replace 'invalid' with 'bellfamily')
"Dave" <dave@nobody.com> wrote:
> If the OP is intent on getting a small diesel then perhaps the 1.4 3
> cylinder engine would be a better option as it is still economical but can
> be chipped up to around 100bhp
However, the 1.4 is significantly heavier than the 1.2 - a distinct
disadvantage for an aero application.
--
Peter Bell (Note Spamtrap - To reply, replace 'invalid' with 'bellfamily')
