AfourQ

> no they use the I-6 because it's perfectly balanced.. how can it be one
is
> a 6 spd manual and the other is a 5 spd auto??

How can what be?? Please expand?
The B5 S4 (2.7T V6) and the B6 S4 (4.2 V are both available with the 6spd
manual.

"Tha Ghee" <grewatson@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> "AfourQ" <AfourQ@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> > I gotto agree with the sound factor...6's do sounds sweet.
> > A great 4 not matching a good V6 though??? in terms of what, cause a
> chipped
> > 1.8T will always outperform the 3.0L V6, with better fuel efficiency.
> >
> > It is all about what he is looking for.
> >
> > BMW uses flat 6's to get great torque figures.
> >
> > It is like comparing the 2.7T to the 4.2L V8 in the S4.
> > A chipped 2.7T will always outrun the V8 (by the way, the 2.7T stock is
> just
> > as fast as the 4.2L V8 in the S4)
> >
> no they use the I-6 because it's perfectly balanced.. how can it be one
is
> a 6 spd manual and the other is a 5 spd auto??
>
>

Jonesy

"Saintor" <saintor1@REMOVETHIShotmail.com> wrote in message news:<fivlc.41938$3h.672772@wagner.videotron.net>. ..
> It does not matter. At all.

It sure does. Without it, you have no PROOF. Just pissing in the
wind.

> But thanks for the compliment, anyway.

It wasn't a compliment, dumbass. It was derisive.

More proof that you aren't very bright (as if I needed to help prove
that to anyone.)

Must really make you mad that I spoil your fun so. I'm going to keep
doing it, too - and you can't stop me.
--
Jonesy

+ Rob +

"Pumba" <jambohakuna@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Great.....I thank all for their opinions.
>
> What about the reliability of the 2004 Audi A4 1.8T? For the 2003
> model.....consumer reports suggest its reliability is not up to par with
> Acura. All those die hard long time Audi owners want to shed some light?
>
> I have been told that the maintenance costs for the Audi are much higher
> than that of the Acura........at least here in the US. Any thoughts on
> that?
>
> Thanks again!

Having owned both an Acura and an Audi, I can attest that Acuras are
somewhat more reliable in the grand scheme of things. However, if total cost
of ownership is your primary concern, don't mistake more reliable in a
general sense for inexpensive. Because my Acura was far and away the most
expensive car I've ever had to maintain.
First of all, the maintenance schedule for Acuras is overly extensive
and very rigid to boot. So visits to the dealer add up quickly. Secondly,
the drivetrain appears to be the only thing about Acuras that truly is
reliable. As everything else about them -- at least in the case of my
Acura -- seems to be made of flimsy junk.
For instance, the sheet metal on my old Integra was so thin that on more
than one occasion a simple door ding literally put a huge dent in a body
panel (the impact I saw occur should not have caused such extensive
damage) -- thus causing it to have to be replaced. And items as elemental as
interior plastics and even body paint (mostly on the bumpers) had a tendency
to just fall (or peel) off without warning -- again causing replacement or
repair.
So, all in all, I wouldn't exactly recommend an Acura for someone who
views reliability/overall cost as a major factor in their car buying
decision making process. Because the existing reliability of the drivetrain
appears only to mask the poor quality of all the things that reliability
ratings tend not to assess. And that doesn't even take into account the
Acura dealership experience, which is perhaps as bad as such a thing can
get.

As for my Audi A4....it's had a few niggling problems in the 2+ years
that I've owned it. But all service and repairs have been completely free so
far (up until 4 years or 50k miles); my dealership experiences have been
nothing but great; and the cars materials and workmanship seem to be of a
very high caliber.

That said, if I were asked to make a recommendation to someone who held
reliability as their foremost concern in deciding on a sports sedan, I'd
probably steer them to Infiniti. Having owned one of those as well, I can
attest that most of what is right about Audis is also right about Infinitis.
The cars are solidly built all around, have a decent amount of sporting
"character" (which is rare for a Japanese car), and (perhaps unlike
Audi....I don't know yet) the costs of ownership are very reasonable due to
a flexible service schedule and very few "out of the blue" repairs. And, of
course, the dealer experience at Infiniti is beyond reproach. Thus, even
though I prefer my current Audi to my old Infiniti, I think highly enough of
that marquee to enthusiastically recommend it to anyone who places
reliability as the absolute first item on their list of priorities.

Rob

bmwloco

Total errata, but interesting:

My brother in law rolled a Acura TL 3 times. He was doing 75-80 mph.
Airbags deployed - all but the drivers side.

As a result, he's taking a dirt nap now. My sister and three kids
left behind.

I've owned three Audi Quattros. None feel as twitchy or soft as any
Acura or Honda I've ever driven. Honda is making cars for numb
skilled folks. Audi makes cars for drivers.

Earnest

beelzebubba@hotmail.com (Jonesy) wrote in message news:<73da2590.0404261556.230d77be@posting.google. com>...
> "Saintor" <saintor1@REMOVETHIShotmail.com> wrote in message news:<7Najc.65781$2V6.606755@wagner.videotron.net> ...

>
> FWD will never be a real driver's platform.

Have to agree there. Wasn't it Dr. Porsche who said, "If god intended
for us to drive front wheel drive cars, he'd have us walking on our
hands."? or something like that...

OTOH, the incessant flame wars between Jonsey and Saintor are a waste
of bandwidth! Get over it.

Mike Smith

bmwloco wrote:

> Total errata, but interesting:
>
> My brother in law rolled a Acura TL 3 times. He was doing 75-80 mph.
> Airbags deployed - all but the drivers side.
>
> As a result, he's taking a dirt nap now. My sister and three kids
> left behind.
>
> I've owned three Audi Quattros. None feel as twitchy or soft as any
> Acura or Honda I've ever driven. Honda is making cars for numb
> skilled folks. Audi makes cars for drivers.

My condolences about your brother-in-law.

I've only ever test driven one Honda, a previous-generation Acura TL,
but I must say I agree regarding the general feel. Everything felt
artificial, detached, and overboosted. Turning the steering wheel felt
like you were turning a dial with no mechanical connection to the
wheels, moving the shift lever felt like flicking a toggle switch, and I
felt like I was riding "on" the car rather than "in" it. The next stop
was the Audi dealership - the Audi (an A6 3.0) just felt, well, more
like a *real car*. (I ended up with a Passat, for what may seem like a
silly reason - the thickness of the dash stack and the placement of the
pedals on the Audi - but the same goes for the Passat; it feels much
more "real" than the Acura did.)

--
Mike Smith

Michael Burman

Earnest wrote:
> Have to agree there. Wasn't it Dr. Porsche who said, "If god intended
> for us to drive front wheel drive cars, he'd have us walking on our
> hands."? or something like that...

When you walk, do you also direct your way with hands? We change
direction with same feet as we go forward with, like in FWD.

And so on, these will never end.

- Yak

daytripper

On Tue, 04 May 2004 23:25:45 +0300, Michael Burman <yak@iki-fi.invalid> wrote:

>Earnest wrote:
>> Have to agree there. Wasn't it Dr. Porsche who said, "If god intended
>> for us to drive front wheel drive cars, he'd have us walking on our
>> hands."? or something like that...
>
>When you walk, do you also direct your way with hands? We change
>direction with same feet as we go forward with, like in FWD.
>
>And so on, these will never end.

One can only hope Dr. Porsche wasn't that big of a nitwit...

Jonesy

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> beelzebubba@hotmail.com (Jonesy) wrote in message news:<73da2590.0404261556.230d77be@posting.google. com>...
> > "Saintor" <saintor1@REMOVETHIShotmail.com> wrote in message news:<7Najc.65781$2V6.606755@wagner.videotron.net> ...
>
> >
> > FWD will never be a real driver's platform.
>
> Have to agree there. Wasn't it Dr. Porsche who said, "If god intended
> for us to drive front wheel drive cars, he'd have us walking on our
> hands."? or something like that...
>
> OTOH, the incessant flame wars between Jonsey and Saintor are a waste
> of bandwidth! Get over it.

Good advice. I suggest you take it. He's an ***, I'm an *** - so what?



--
Jonesy

Jonesy

Cam Newton (ccnewto@hotmail.com) wrote in message news:<409289e6.92370631@news.gv.shawcable.net>...
> On 30 Apr 2004 09:15:48 -0700, beelzebubba@hotmail.com (Jonesy) wrote:
>
> >Cam Newton (ccnewto@hotmail.com) wrote in message news:<4091697d.18537535@news.gv.shawcable.net>...
> >> On Fri, 23 Apr 2004 16:36:56 -0400, "AfourQ" <AfourQ@hotmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >I can honostly say that if he does buy the A4 for the fun factor, a chipped
> >> >1.8T will be a far better choice. Better response in handling and
> >> >acceleration. Granted not as smooth as the V6 , but definately more fun.
> >> >
> >> >Try both and judge for yourself.........
> >> >
> >> >My $0.02
> >>
> >> I was at the Audi dealer and he said that a chipped car came in that
> >> blew the computer. The car in question, not mine, needs a new
> >> computer. The chip negates the warranty. Rather than chipping at 1.8T
> >> get 3l.
> >>
> >
> >
> >It has been mentioned before that a chip *could* void a warranty. It
> >depends on the dealer. I have heard that there are some fairly
> >liberal dealers out there who will actually install the chip for you
> >and still honor the warranty. Then, there are the dealers who will
> >void your warranty for adding an aftermarket stereo. As in, if you
> >have a suspension problem, they will disallow that as a warranty
> >repair.
> >
> >You could hire a lawyer and force them to pay for the repair (as
> >clearly, the stereo could not have possibly caused any suspension
> >hassle) but the burden is on you to jump through the hoops to prove
> >them wrong.
> >
> >The turbo car is cheaper in inital aquisition, cheaper to run (less
> >thirsty when off-boost) and has more performance potential AFTER the
> >warranty has run out. Then you can fiddle with the motor all you
> >want, and not worry about voiding the powertrain warranty. Before the
> >warranty runs out, find a dealer that's friendly to chip-tuning, and
> >you're totally golden.
> >--
> >Jonesy
>
> I think honouring the warranty is up to the manufacturer.

It would be nice, if that were true. The problem is this: the dealer
can just say "no." And then you have to start jumping through hoops,
even if you are 100% correct.

You then complain to Audi of America. They give you the runaround.
You give up because the hassle is too much. They win, even if you
never buy another car from them. (Short-term gain is everything in the
business world.)

It's shitty that they act like this, but a lot of them, not just Audi,
act like this. Hell, I'd bet that some MBA genius gives dealers
brownie points for refusing warranty claims. After all, once they say
"no," *you're* the poor sucker who has to prove them wrong.
--
Jonesy