Audi 2004 1.8T Quattro or 2004 Acura TL??
#21
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Re: Audi 2004 1.8T Quattro or 2004 Acura TL??
I prefer to call you Eric; I am too ashamed, having to share my first name
with a frustrated retard like you. This thread is just another evidence;
what started as a normal thread finishes AGAIN with gratuitous insults from
your part. End here.
> Jeez, you are terribly slow, aren't you?
> --
> Robert F. Jones (duh, you silly moron)
with a frustrated retard like you. This thread is just another evidence;
what started as a normal thread finishes AGAIN with gratuitous insults from
your part. End here.
> Jeez, you are terribly slow, aren't you?
> --
> Robert F. Jones (duh, you silly moron)
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Re: Audi 2004 1.8T Quattro or 2004 Acura TL??
>Merely your opinion. The Acura six is not in a league with the BMW
>six in any case
I'd agree for the most part. But the 3.2 is still a good engine and the six in
the NSX is sweet.
>Add to that the cheesy FWD layout and it's inherent
>torque steer
Audi (and to a degree, VW as well) seems to have more or less killed the torque
steer problem in their cars. However, Volvo's S80 T6 and the Saabs I have
driven had it in abundance. The big problem I found with the TL was the "pogo"
ride on some roads. Audi's FWD system is better here, although I'm not sure why
because the Accord and TL have double wishbones at all four corners and the old
TL Type S coupe had great handling.
>The reduction in weight from running a turbo four in the A4 makes the
>car more balanced. The 3.0 is nice, but it's heavy.
Audi should've stuck with a turbo-5. But I've seen six-speed 3.0 Quattros dip
as low as 6.5 seconds in 0-60 tests though.
>Not just any six, but an I6. And RWD. A V6 and FWD aren't in the
>same league.
As far as what's avaliable right now, I'll agree for the most part. But I've
seen tuned SVT Focus and Type R Integra leave 6-cylinder RWD cars (Bimmers
included) in the dust on twisty mountain passes.
>LOL. From inside, you can't tell the difference in sound. Not even a
>trained musician can tell the difference. From outside, who cares?
>Tin can? Fart can mufflers are much more likely on an Acura, LOL.
Get a Gti VR6 or an R32. The VR6 sounds sweet and they're quick.
>six in any case
I'd agree for the most part. But the 3.2 is still a good engine and the six in
the NSX is sweet.
>Add to that the cheesy FWD layout and it's inherent
>torque steer
Audi (and to a degree, VW as well) seems to have more or less killed the torque
steer problem in their cars. However, Volvo's S80 T6 and the Saabs I have
driven had it in abundance. The big problem I found with the TL was the "pogo"
ride on some roads. Audi's FWD system is better here, although I'm not sure why
because the Accord and TL have double wishbones at all four corners and the old
TL Type S coupe had great handling.
>The reduction in weight from running a turbo four in the A4 makes the
>car more balanced. The 3.0 is nice, but it's heavy.
Audi should've stuck with a turbo-5. But I've seen six-speed 3.0 Quattros dip
as low as 6.5 seconds in 0-60 tests though.
>Not just any six, but an I6. And RWD. A V6 and FWD aren't in the
>same league.
As far as what's avaliable right now, I'll agree for the most part. But I've
seen tuned SVT Focus and Type R Integra leave 6-cylinder RWD cars (Bimmers
included) in the dust on twisty mountain passes.
>LOL. From inside, you can't tell the difference in sound. Not even a
>trained musician can tell the difference. From outside, who cares?
>Tin can? Fart can mufflers are much more likely on an Acura, LOL.
Get a Gti VR6 or an R32. The VR6 sounds sweet and they're quick.
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Re: Audi 2004 1.8T Quattro or 2004 Acura TL??
Yes! that i what I mean. Thanks for clearing that up.
"Peter Bell" <peter@invalid.org.uk> wrote in message
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> In message <c6js6e$317$1@dns3.cae.ca>
> "AfourQ" <AfourQ@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > BMW uses flat 6's ....
>
> They do? Porsche use flat sixes, BMW use In-line sixes.
>
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> Peter Bell (Note Spamtrap - To reply, replace 'invalid' with
'bellfamily')
"Peter Bell" <peter@invalid.org.uk> wrote in message
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> In message <c6js6e$317$1@dns3.cae.ca>
> "AfourQ" <AfourQ@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > BMW uses flat 6's ....
>
> They do? Porsche use flat sixes, BMW use In-line sixes.
>
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> Peter Bell (Note Spamtrap - To reply, replace 'invalid' with
'bellfamily')
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Re: Audi 2004 1.8T Quattro or 2004 Acura TL??
"Saintor" <saintor1@REMOVETHIShotmail.com> wrote in message news:<O9ijc.71254$2V6.892851@wagner.videotron.net> ...
> I prefer to call you Eric;
That's why I call you a moron. I've given you my nearly-full name (my
middle name can be had from a Google search) and you still persist in
being dumb. If it's not because you're a moron, then what could be
the answer?
> I am too ashamed, having to share my first name
> with a frustrated retard like you.
And you're complaining about gratuitous insults? I love irony...
> This thread is just another evidence;
> what started as a normal thread finishes AGAIN with gratuitous insults from
> your part.
A normal thread in which you bash Audi (again.) Yeah, I can see how
that might be the case in your fantasy world. I'm sure a Google
groups search in this ng will find some instance in which you
recommend an Audi over some Honda product. I'd take bets against
that. Any thread in which you participate is by definition abnormal.
See above about how my insults are spot-on, and not gratuitous in the
least.
> End here.
That would be great advice for you to take. I will just have to keep
pointing out your trollish nature, and that your Audi "advice" has no
credibility.
--
Jonesy
> I prefer to call you Eric;
That's why I call you a moron. I've given you my nearly-full name (my
middle name can be had from a Google search) and you still persist in
being dumb. If it's not because you're a moron, then what could be
the answer?
> I am too ashamed, having to share my first name
> with a frustrated retard like you.
And you're complaining about gratuitous insults? I love irony...
> This thread is just another evidence;
> what started as a normal thread finishes AGAIN with gratuitous insults from
> your part.
A normal thread in which you bash Audi (again.) Yeah, I can see how
that might be the case in your fantasy world. I'm sure a Google
groups search in this ng will find some instance in which you
recommend an Audi over some Honda product. I'd take bets against
that. Any thread in which you participate is by definition abnormal.
See above about how my insults are spot-on, and not gratuitous in the
least.
> End here.
That would be great advice for you to take. I will just have to keep
pointing out your trollish nature, and that your Audi "advice" has no
credibility.
--
Jonesy
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Re: Audi 2004 1.8T Quattro or 2004 Acura TL??
oneactor1@aol.com (Steve Grauman) wrote in message news:<20040426215058.15757.00000150@mb-m29.aol.com>...
> >Merely your opinion. The Acura six is not in a league with the BMW
> >six in any case
>
> I'd agree for the most part. But the 3.2 is still a good engine and the six in
> the NSX is sweet.
I have not had the pleasure of driving the NSX. And it might be a
good engine, but for smoothness, it's really hard to beat that I6 in a
BMW.
> >Add to that the cheesy FWD layout and it's inherent
> >torque steer
>
> Audi (and to a degree, VW as well) seems to have more or less killed the torque
> steer problem in their cars.
Good engineering solves problems.
> However, Volvo's S80 T6 and the Saabs I have
> driven had it in abundance.
I drove a Viggen that just about tore the wheel out of my hands. FWD
+ a lot of power = unfriendly driver.
> The big problem I found with the TL was the "pogo"
> ride on some roads. Audi's FWD system is better here, although I'm not sure why
> because the Accord and TL have double wishbones at all four corners and the old
> TL Type S coupe had great handling.
Again, it's engineering. That pogo is just a soft suspension. It's a
luxury wannabe, after all. Ever ridden in a Buick? That Dynaride
system is enough to give you motion sickness.
> >The reduction in weight from running a turbo four in the A4 makes the
> >car more balanced. The 3.0 is nice, but it's heavy.
>
> Audi should've stuck with a turbo-5. But I've seen six-speed 3.0 Quattros dip
> as low as 6.5 seconds in 0-60 tests though.
That big motor still has negative effects on chassis dynamics. Even
though the 3.0 is faster in a line, the 1.8T feels more nimble, and
better balanced. I am almost sure that raw mass has everything to do
with that.
> >Not just any six, but an I6. And RWD. A V6 and FWD aren't in the
> >same league.
>
> As far as what's avaliable right now, I'll agree for the most part. But I've
> seen tuned SVT Focus and Type R Integra leave 6-cylinder RWD cars (Bimmers
> included) in the dust on twisty mountain passes.
I would suggest the difference is the driver. But a car with less
mass can usually do pretty good things. The type R has a very
favorable mass/weight in comparison to just about any BMW. A good
driver could be quite competetive, I think.
> >LOL. From inside, you can't tell the difference in sound. Not even a
> >trained musician can tell the difference. From outside, who cares?
> >Tin can? Fart can mufflers are much more likely on an Acura, LOL.
>
> Get a Gti VR6 or an R32. The VR6 sounds sweet and they're quick.
I've driven the Jetta with the VR6, and it is quite nice, but it's
still a front-drive car, and tuned for understeer. I have not had the
pleasure of an R32, nor will I (probably.) But listen to an Alfa 2.5
for sweet V6 music. Or an M3 for I6 song. Heck, even the Porsche V8
or the 3.0 I4 in the 944 sound a heck of a lot better than just about
any VAG product. From the outside, at least. From the inside, well,
an air-cooled flat-6 is just about the best music that real people can
afford. (A 308 makes some nice noises, but you have to be able to
print your own money if you want the sweet sound to not turn sour in a
hurry, LOL.) Most luxury cars don't give you much appreciation for
what's happening under the hood, and Japanese cars are really good at
insulating the cabin occupants from mechanical noise. In the Accord I
used to own, I'd have to look at the tach to see if the damn thing was
running.
--
Jonesy
> >Merely your opinion. The Acura six is not in a league with the BMW
> >six in any case
>
> I'd agree for the most part. But the 3.2 is still a good engine and the six in
> the NSX is sweet.
I have not had the pleasure of driving the NSX. And it might be a
good engine, but for smoothness, it's really hard to beat that I6 in a
BMW.
> >Add to that the cheesy FWD layout and it's inherent
> >torque steer
>
> Audi (and to a degree, VW as well) seems to have more or less killed the torque
> steer problem in their cars.
Good engineering solves problems.
> However, Volvo's S80 T6 and the Saabs I have
> driven had it in abundance.
I drove a Viggen that just about tore the wheel out of my hands. FWD
+ a lot of power = unfriendly driver.
> The big problem I found with the TL was the "pogo"
> ride on some roads. Audi's FWD system is better here, although I'm not sure why
> because the Accord and TL have double wishbones at all four corners and the old
> TL Type S coupe had great handling.
Again, it's engineering. That pogo is just a soft suspension. It's a
luxury wannabe, after all. Ever ridden in a Buick? That Dynaride
system is enough to give you motion sickness.
> >The reduction in weight from running a turbo four in the A4 makes the
> >car more balanced. The 3.0 is nice, but it's heavy.
>
> Audi should've stuck with a turbo-5. But I've seen six-speed 3.0 Quattros dip
> as low as 6.5 seconds in 0-60 tests though.
That big motor still has negative effects on chassis dynamics. Even
though the 3.0 is faster in a line, the 1.8T feels more nimble, and
better balanced. I am almost sure that raw mass has everything to do
with that.
> >Not just any six, but an I6. And RWD. A V6 and FWD aren't in the
> >same league.
>
> As far as what's avaliable right now, I'll agree for the most part. But I've
> seen tuned SVT Focus and Type R Integra leave 6-cylinder RWD cars (Bimmers
> included) in the dust on twisty mountain passes.
I would suggest the difference is the driver. But a car with less
mass can usually do pretty good things. The type R has a very
favorable mass/weight in comparison to just about any BMW. A good
driver could be quite competetive, I think.
> >LOL. From inside, you can't tell the difference in sound. Not even a
> >trained musician can tell the difference. From outside, who cares?
> >Tin can? Fart can mufflers are much more likely on an Acura, LOL.
>
> Get a Gti VR6 or an R32. The VR6 sounds sweet and they're quick.
I've driven the Jetta with the VR6, and it is quite nice, but it's
still a front-drive car, and tuned for understeer. I have not had the
pleasure of an R32, nor will I (probably.) But listen to an Alfa 2.5
for sweet V6 music. Or an M3 for I6 song. Heck, even the Porsche V8
or the 3.0 I4 in the 944 sound a heck of a lot better than just about
any VAG product. From the outside, at least. From the inside, well,
an air-cooled flat-6 is just about the best music that real people can
afford. (A 308 makes some nice noises, but you have to be able to
print your own money if you want the sweet sound to not turn sour in a
hurry, LOL.) Most luxury cars don't give you much appreciation for
what's happening under the hood, and Japanese cars are really good at
insulating the cabin occupants from mechanical noise. In the Accord I
used to own, I'd have to look at the tach to see if the damn thing was
running.
--
Jonesy
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Re: Audi 2004 1.8T Quattro or 2004 Acura TL??
Nothing proves that Robert J. Jones is your real name, Eric. And this is
reinforced by the fact that you changed identity so many times and your past
lies. And your interest in cycles Jones, where you probably borrowed this
name. Come on Eric, your behaviour (now and in the past) clearly suggests
that you are a malicious teenager playing with identities (you must be
passed 18 since all this time?).
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OT: Saintor goes fishing (was: Audi 2004 1.8T Quattro or 2004 Acura TL??)
"Saintor" <saintor1@REMOVETHIShotmail.com> wrote in message news:<33wjc.125037$2V6.1268095@wagner.videotron.ne t>...
> Nothing proves that Robert J. Jones is your real name, Eric.
And oddly, this is exactly the reasoning *you* are using. How much
more do you need to type to prove how incredibly stupid you are?
(BTW, Clueless, that's "Robert F. Jones.")
Here's a clue - folks in another ng have met me, personally. Go ahead
and prove who you say I am. Good luck with that.
> And this is
> reinforced by the fact that you changed identity so many times and your past
> lies.
Bzzzt. Changed my posting handle ONCE. My e-mail has stayed the
same. Even if you add in this other mythical creature, then I've
changed my posting handle twice, and my identity once. So where are
the "so many times?" Again, your delusions of intelligence smack
against the reality of your incoherence.
> And your interest in cycles Jones, where you probably borrowed this
> name.
I have no idea what this sentence means. Is there a Jones MTB? I've
never heard of it, but maybe there is such a thing in the
English-impaired part of the world in which you spawned.
> Come on Eric, your behaviour (now and in the past) clearly suggests
> that you are a malicious teenager playing with identities (you must be
> passed 18 since all this time?).
I can only imagine that your mom is going to be really angry when the
ISP cuts off her service. You'd better think about how sad your life
will be without the internet to pretend what a "knowledgable" person
you are.
Pointing out that you are an anti-Audi, anti-VW, pro-Honda troll is a
service to everyone, except you. To you, it's a malicious destruction
of your low-minded "fun."
Run along now, it's got to be about your bedtime, sonny.
--
Jonesy
> Nothing proves that Robert J. Jones is your real name, Eric.
And oddly, this is exactly the reasoning *you* are using. How much
more do you need to type to prove how incredibly stupid you are?
(BTW, Clueless, that's "Robert F. Jones.")
Here's a clue - folks in another ng have met me, personally. Go ahead
and prove who you say I am. Good luck with that.
> And this is
> reinforced by the fact that you changed identity so many times and your past
> lies.
Bzzzt. Changed my posting handle ONCE. My e-mail has stayed the
same. Even if you add in this other mythical creature, then I've
changed my posting handle twice, and my identity once. So where are
the "so many times?" Again, your delusions of intelligence smack
against the reality of your incoherence.
> And your interest in cycles Jones, where you probably borrowed this
> name.
I have no idea what this sentence means. Is there a Jones MTB? I've
never heard of it, but maybe there is such a thing in the
English-impaired part of the world in which you spawned.
> Come on Eric, your behaviour (now and in the past) clearly suggests
> that you are a malicious teenager playing with identities (you must be
> passed 18 since all this time?).
I can only imagine that your mom is going to be really angry when the
ISP cuts off her service. You'd better think about how sad your life
will be without the internet to pretend what a "knowledgable" person
you are.
Pointing out that you are an anti-Audi, anti-VW, pro-Honda troll is a
service to everyone, except you. To you, it's a malicious destruction
of your low-minded "fun."
Run along now, it's got to be about your bedtime, sonny.
--
Jonesy
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Re: Saintor goes fishing (was: Audi 2004 1.8T Quattro or 2004 Acura TL??)
> Here's a clue - folks in another ng have met me, personally. Go ahead
> and prove who you say I am. Good luck with that.
Again a general statement that proves... nothing.
>
> > And this is
> > reinforced by the fact that you changed identity so many times and your
past
> > lies.
>
> Bzzzt. Changed my posting handle ONCE. My e-mail has stayed the
> same. Even if you add in this other mythical creature, then I've
> changed my posting handle twice, and my identity once. So where are
> the "so many times?" Again, your delusions of intelligence smack
> against the reality of your incoherence.
You forgot rico@campquake.com.trimit who magically disappeared when
beelzebubba@hotmail.com came in. Funny that you are always referring to
Alfa Romeo like he did. Spider, this is a model of Alfa Romeo. 'Get it?
>
> > And your interest in cycles Jones, where you probably borrowed this
> > name.
>
> I have no idea what this sentence means. Is there a Jones MTB? I've
> never heard of it, but maybe there is such a thing in the
> English-impaired part of the world in which you spawned.
Another straight lie. You know cycles Jones as you wrote in an earlier
post. Funny, Eric (you) also wrote that he owned a motorcycle Jones.
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=ri...pdx.edu&rnum=2
Face your utter lies, Eric. To the contrary of you, the evidences just
don't lie.
>
> > Come on Eric, your behaviour (now and in the past) clearly suggests
> > that you are a malicious teenager playing with identities (you must be
> > passed 18 since all this time?).
>
> I can only imagine that your mom is going to be really angry when the
> ISP cuts off her service. You'd better think about how sad your life
> will be without the internet to pretend what a "knowledgable" person
> you are.
>
> Pointing out that you are an anti-Audi, anti-VW, pro-Honda troll is a
> service to everyone, except you. To you, it's a malicious destruction
> of your low-minded "fun."
>
> Run along now, it's got to be about your bedtime, sonny.
> --
> Jonesy
Funny that an anti-Audi troll like me just had his father-in-law purchase a
40K$ Audi A6 3.0 CVT 2003. I have always loved Audi designs.
> and prove who you say I am. Good luck with that.
Again a general statement that proves... nothing.
>
> > And this is
> > reinforced by the fact that you changed identity so many times and your
past
> > lies.
>
> Bzzzt. Changed my posting handle ONCE. My e-mail has stayed the
> same. Even if you add in this other mythical creature, then I've
> changed my posting handle twice, and my identity once. So where are
> the "so many times?" Again, your delusions of intelligence smack
> against the reality of your incoherence.
You forgot rico@campquake.com.trimit who magically disappeared when
beelzebubba@hotmail.com came in. Funny that you are always referring to
Alfa Romeo like he did. Spider, this is a model of Alfa Romeo. 'Get it?
>
> > And your interest in cycles Jones, where you probably borrowed this
> > name.
>
> I have no idea what this sentence means. Is there a Jones MTB? I've
> never heard of it, but maybe there is such a thing in the
> English-impaired part of the world in which you spawned.
Another straight lie. You know cycles Jones as you wrote in an earlier
post. Funny, Eric (you) also wrote that he owned a motorcycle Jones.
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=ri...pdx.edu&rnum=2
Face your utter lies, Eric. To the contrary of you, the evidences just
don't lie.
>
> > Come on Eric, your behaviour (now and in the past) clearly suggests
> > that you are a malicious teenager playing with identities (you must be
> > passed 18 since all this time?).
>
> I can only imagine that your mom is going to be really angry when the
> ISP cuts off her service. You'd better think about how sad your life
> will be without the internet to pretend what a "knowledgable" person
> you are.
>
> Pointing out that you are an anti-Audi, anti-VW, pro-Honda troll is a
> service to everyone, except you. To you, it's a malicious destruction
> of your low-minded "fun."
>
> Run along now, it's got to be about your bedtime, sonny.
> --
> Jonesy
Funny that an anti-Audi troll like me just had his father-in-law purchase a
40K$ Audi A6 3.0 CVT 2003. I have always loved Audi designs.
#29
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Re: Saintor goes fishing (was: Audi 2004 1.8T Quattro or 2004 Acura TL??)
>Funny that you are always referring to
>Alfa Romeo like he did. Spider, this is a model of Alfa Romeo. 'Get it?
Waitttt.....this is the old "Spider" back again? Hmmmm.....I'm gonna have to
keep a careful eye here.
>Alfa Romeo like he did. Spider, this is a model of Alfa Romeo. 'Get it?
Waitttt.....this is the old "Spider" back again? Hmmmm.....I'm gonna have to
keep a careful eye here.
#30
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Re: Saintor goes fishing (was: Audi 2004 1.8T Quattro or 2004 Acura TL??)
oneactor1@aol.com (Steve Grauman) wrote in message news:<20040427230228.24592.00000515@mb-m03.aol.com>...
> >Funny that you are always referring to
> >Alfa Romeo like he did. Spider, this is a model of Alfa Romeo. 'Get it?
>
> Waitttt.....this is the old "Spider" back again? Hmmmm.....I'm gonna have to
> keep a careful eye here.
No, same old guy, new handle. The e-mail address and header info
tells the story. Heck, when I changed handles, I wrote in my sig line
"Jonesy (formerly Spider)" for over a month!
Heh.
--
Jonesy (formerly Spider)
> >Funny that you are always referring to
> >Alfa Romeo like he did. Spider, this is a model of Alfa Romeo. 'Get it?
>
> Waitttt.....this is the old "Spider" back again? Hmmmm.....I'm gonna have to
> keep a careful eye here.
No, same old guy, new handle. The e-mail address and header info
tells the story. Heck, when I changed handles, I wrote in my sig line
"Jonesy (formerly Spider)" for over a month!
Heh.
--
Jonesy (formerly Spider)