sd

In article <413f7ad1$0$250$4d5ecec7@reader.city-net.com>,
"Woodchuck" <stv_euroski@yahoo.comXXX> wrote:

> I think VW only
> recommended dino oil for fear American Passsat owners would cry at the added
> cost($20) of getting the oil changed.

And so here is your proof ...

sd

Peter Cressman

sd wrote:
> In article <413f7ad1$0$250$4d5ecec7@reader.city-net.com>,
> "Woodchuck" <stv_euroski@yahoo.comXXX> wrote:
>
>
>>I think VW only
>>recommended dino oil for fear American Passsat owners would cry at the added
>>cost($20) of getting the oil changed.
>
>
> And so here is your proof ...
>
> sd


LOL

Peter Cressman

sd wrote:
> In article <413f7ad1$0$250$4d5ecec7@reader.city-net.com>,
> "Woodchuck" <stv_euroski@yahoo.comXXX> wrote:
>
>
>>I think VW only
>>recommended dino oil for fear American Passsat owners would cry at the added
>>cost($20) of getting the oil changed.
>
>
> And so here is your proof ...
>
> sd


LOL

Mike Smith

Libby wrote:

> "Biz" <biznospam@notatt.net> wrote in message news:<gwG%c.567575$Gx4.478853@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>...
>
>>easy solution, sell your cars and go find something else to whine about, as
>>long as its in another group. Anyone not gladly using sythetic oil in a
>>decent performing engine when its recommended/required by the manufacturer
>>is juat a fool.
>
>
> "Biz", I didn't see you posted as moderator of this group.

I didn't see him claim to be.

--
Mike Smith

Mike Smith

Libby wrote:

> "Biz" <biznospam@notatt.net> wrote in message news:<gwG%c.567575$Gx4.478853@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>...
>
>>easy solution, sell your cars and go find something else to whine about, as
>>long as its in another group. Anyone not gladly using sythetic oil in a
>>decent performing engine when its recommended/required by the manufacturer
>>is juat a fool.
>
>
> "Biz", I didn't see you posted as moderator of this group.

I didn't see him claim to be.

--
Mike Smith

TF

The letter I got for my Passat 1.8T specifies 5k/6mos.

"Wolfgang Pawlinetz" <mille@afm.at> wrote in message
news:3e0sj0lvi8pij1utv9ruo7qs72ovsg4sn2@4ax.com...
> Hi,
>
> Libby wrote:
>
> >The issue is that the *new* requirements were *not* in place when I
> >bought the car. I *expected* to maintain the car as it was delivered
> >to me by the manufacturer
>
> The car was delivered to you by the dealer I presume. Not by the
> manufacturer. So you have a case with the dealer in the first place,
> no?
>
> >-- synthetic oils were not part of the
> >maintenance standard at the time of purchase. I now have the first
> >*additional* cost of changing over to synthetic -- $78 for the Passat,
> >likely a bit more for the Audi -- plus additional costs for synthetic
> >oil changes. The cheapest approved oil is $12.75 per quart.
>
> Ok. Your maintenance cost increased.
>
> >To meet warranty requirements, a qualified synthetic must be used and
> >changed every at least every 5k miles or 6 mos. The notice states that
> >failing to do so voids the engine warranty.
>
> Do you have Audi warranty or a third party warranty? 5k miles and 6
> mos does not at all sound like VW/Audi's service plan. There have been
> numerous threads in the recent past asking the famous oil question and
> if it would be ok to go as far as 30.000 km between oil changes. That
> is what VW/Audi recommends in many cars now.
>
> Who issued these notices? VW, Audi or the dealer?
>
> Did you ask Audi or VW about their opinion? You could just sell the
> car if it's too expensive for you now.
>
> Regards
>
> Wolfgang
>
> --
> 1999 Audi A6 Avant TDI

TF

The letter I got for my Passat 1.8T specifies 5k/6mos.

"Wolfgang Pawlinetz" <mille@afm.at> wrote in message
news:3e0sj0lvi8pij1utv9ruo7qs72ovsg4sn2@4ax.com...
> Hi,
>
> Libby wrote:
>
> >The issue is that the *new* requirements were *not* in place when I
> >bought the car. I *expected* to maintain the car as it was delivered
> >to me by the manufacturer
>
> The car was delivered to you by the dealer I presume. Not by the
> manufacturer. So you have a case with the dealer in the first place,
> no?
>
> >-- synthetic oils were not part of the
> >maintenance standard at the time of purchase. I now have the first
> >*additional* cost of changing over to synthetic -- $78 for the Passat,
> >likely a bit more for the Audi -- plus additional costs for synthetic
> >oil changes. The cheapest approved oil is $12.75 per quart.
>
> Ok. Your maintenance cost increased.
>
> >To meet warranty requirements, a qualified synthetic must be used and
> >changed every at least every 5k miles or 6 mos. The notice states that
> >failing to do so voids the engine warranty.
>
> Do you have Audi warranty or a third party warranty? 5k miles and 6
> mos does not at all sound like VW/Audi's service plan. There have been
> numerous threads in the recent past asking the famous oil question and
> if it would be ok to go as far as 30.000 km between oil changes. That
> is what VW/Audi recommends in many cars now.
>
> Who issued these notices? VW, Audi or the dealer?
>
> Did you ask Audi or VW about their opinion? You could just sell the
> car if it's too expensive for you now.
>
> Regards
>
> Wolfgang
>
> --
> 1999 Audi A6 Avant TDI

BillyRay

Note:
I'm not a moderator (and wouldn't want to be)

A valid fact that should be pointed out is that the synthetics have a
greater "cleaning" action than the dino oils and you "MAY" develop some
minor seepage seal depending on the age of your engine and the amount to the
varnish/wax/sludge buildup.

If you do change from dino to synthetic oil you should change filters early
a couple times and watch for seepage. I would change filters (only) every
1000 miles x 2 or 3 then resume your regular schedule or perhaps extend the
schedule somewhat. I have gone from every 3000 to every 5000 miles in my
2.7tQ which is still less than the Audi recommended 10,000 miles but then I
run my cars until they can no longer be fixed.

If you do get seepage you can choose to live with it, switch to a higher
weight oil (questionable with turbos) or revert to dino oil. There is no
danger to revert and the seals will be "recoated" soon enough.

One final point.... If your warranty requires it you have to do it or risk a
very expensive repair bill. I am not sure what they do for cars that have
been maintained for several years on dino oil,per the manual, and then
develop problems.


"Libby" <libethl@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:d72dc68b.0409090456.139783eb@posting.google.c om...
> "Biz" <biznospam@notatt.net> wrote in message
> news:<gwG%c.567575$Gx4.478853@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>...
>> easy solution, sell your cars and go find something else to whine about,
>> as
>> long as its in another group. Anyone not gladly using sythetic oil in a
>> decent performing engine when its recommended/required by the
>> manufacturer
>> is juat a fool.
>
> "Biz", I didn't see you posted as moderator of this group. Perhaps in
> your role, you could contact both dealerships -- Audi and VW -- who
> have been serving my vehicles since purchase. Both have been using
> regular oil.
>
> [Note: any moderator, even self-appointed, who doesn't use spell check
> is *just* a fool]
>
> Libby

BillyRay

Note:
I'm not a moderator (and wouldn't want to be)

A valid fact that should be pointed out is that the synthetics have a
greater "cleaning" action than the dino oils and you "MAY" develop some
minor seepage seal depending on the age of your engine and the amount to the
varnish/wax/sludge buildup.

If you do change from dino to synthetic oil you should change filters early
a couple times and watch for seepage. I would change filters (only) every
1000 miles x 2 or 3 then resume your regular schedule or perhaps extend the
schedule somewhat. I have gone from every 3000 to every 5000 miles in my
2.7tQ which is still less than the Audi recommended 10,000 miles but then I
run my cars until they can no longer be fixed.

If you do get seepage you can choose to live with it, switch to a higher
weight oil (questionable with turbos) or revert to dino oil. There is no
danger to revert and the seals will be "recoated" soon enough.

One final point.... If your warranty requires it you have to do it or risk a
very expensive repair bill. I am not sure what they do for cars that have
been maintained for several years on dino oil,per the manual, and then
develop problems.


"Libby" <libethl@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:d72dc68b.0409090456.139783eb@posting.google.c om...
> "Biz" <biznospam@notatt.net> wrote in message
> news:<gwG%c.567575$Gx4.478853@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>...
>> easy solution, sell your cars and go find something else to whine about,
>> as
>> long as its in another group. Anyone not gladly using sythetic oil in a
>> decent performing engine when its recommended/required by the
>> manufacturer
>> is juat a fool.
>
> "Biz", I didn't see you posted as moderator of this group. Perhaps in
> your role, you could contact both dealerships -- Audi and VW -- who
> have been serving my vehicles since purchase. Both have been using
> regular oil.
>
> [Note: any moderator, even self-appointed, who doesn't use spell check
> is *just* a fool]
>
> Libby

dave

On a side note, I just changed the oil on a 2001 Passat with the V6 engine.
That oil filter states 2 years on it.
Now if you could drive, here in the USA, for 2 years or 24K-30K miles that
would save you quite a bit of $$$.
I know I know different engines and different requirements. <g>

later,
dave
Reminder........
Before you criticize someone, you should walk a mile in their shoes. That way,
when you criticize them, you are a mile away from them, and you have their
shoes. Frieda Norris