1.8T Oil issue -- cost
#41
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Re: 1.8T Oil issue -- cost
The 1.8T in Passats have a factory oil capacity of 3.9 quarts - all other
1.8Ts have a capacity of 4.8 quarts - that amount is enough to assist with
lubrication and heat dissipation. It's VERY rare to see a non-Passat 1.8
with "turbo turds" lining the oil pan.
"Rex B" <rex@@txol.net> wrote in message
news:413e072c.21733026@news.txol.net...
> We have a 2000 NB Turbo and have received no such notice.
> Can anyone elaborate on this?
>
> On 6 Sep 2004 19:44:16 -0700, libethl@yahoo.com (Libby) wrote:
>
> ||I'm posting to both groups because I own two cars: a 2000 Audi A4 1.8T
> ||Avant and a 2003 VW Passat 1.8T. I haven't seen much discussion on the
> ||*cost* of the synthic oil issue.
> ||
> ||I got both notices regarding the synthetic engine oil issue (one for
> ||each auto) on the same day. However, it wasn't until my VW dealer did
> ||the change over on the Passat that I began to realize the cost issues.
> ||The oil changes using synthetic are going to be at least twice as much
> ||as for a regular oil change. So, the oil maintenance costs have
> ||effictively DOUBLED for the life of each vehicle.
> ||
> ||Needless to say, I'm a little ticked. But, I'm not too car savvy (I'm
> ||now seeing the error in having two vehicles with the same engine). Is
> ||this just a problem I'm going to have to such up? If it's their
> ||mistake, why do I have to undertake the additional costs?
> ||
> ||Can anyone enlighten me? Or offer suggestions or remedies??
> ||
> ||Thanks for any help,
> ||Libby
>
> Texas Parts Guy
1.8Ts have a capacity of 4.8 quarts - that amount is enough to assist with
lubrication and heat dissipation. It's VERY rare to see a non-Passat 1.8
with "turbo turds" lining the oil pan.
"Rex B" <rex@@txol.net> wrote in message
news:413e072c.21733026@news.txol.net...
> We have a 2000 NB Turbo and have received no such notice.
> Can anyone elaborate on this?
>
> On 6 Sep 2004 19:44:16 -0700, libethl@yahoo.com (Libby) wrote:
>
> ||I'm posting to both groups because I own two cars: a 2000 Audi A4 1.8T
> ||Avant and a 2003 VW Passat 1.8T. I haven't seen much discussion on the
> ||*cost* of the synthic oil issue.
> ||
> ||I got both notices regarding the synthetic engine oil issue (one for
> ||each auto) on the same day. However, it wasn't until my VW dealer did
> ||the change over on the Passat that I began to realize the cost issues.
> ||The oil changes using synthetic are going to be at least twice as much
> ||as for a regular oil change. So, the oil maintenance costs have
> ||effictively DOUBLED for the life of each vehicle.
> ||
> ||Needless to say, I'm a little ticked. But, I'm not too car savvy (I'm
> ||now seeing the error in having two vehicles with the same engine). Is
> ||this just a problem I'm going to have to such up? If it's their
> ||mistake, why do I have to undertake the additional costs?
> ||
> ||Can anyone enlighten me? Or offer suggestions or remedies??
> ||
> ||Thanks for any help,
> ||Libby
>
> Texas Parts Guy
#42
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Re: 1.8T Oil issue -- cost
Mistakes, what mistakes? All 1.8t turbo's in Germany had synthetic and
required to have synthetic for all services done. I think VW only
recommended dino oil for fear American Passsat owners would cry at the added
cost($20) of getting the oil changed. But then again how many Passat 1.8t
owners would put anything else but dino oil. Personally I run synthetic oil
in all my cars(99 V6 Passat & daughters 99 1.8t Passat) , trucks(88 S10
Blazer), wife's car(99 Malibu) too. Even my Sears 24hp tractor runs
synthetic! You just can beet the benefits of synthetic.
"Libby" <libethl@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> sd <sd55117@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:<sd55117-2DFBC7.19384307092004@news.mpls.visi.com>...
> > So you've dropped more than 50 grand on two cars in three years and
> > the problem is that the right oil costs significantly more? I must be
> > missing something here ...
> >
> > sd
>
> You are. My frustration is having to undertake the expense of
> compensating for VW's manufacturing mistakes. The fact that I have
> money doesn't mean I'm going to just hand it out to companies.
>
> Libby
required to have synthetic for all services done. I think VW only
recommended dino oil for fear American Passsat owners would cry at the added
cost($20) of getting the oil changed. But then again how many Passat 1.8t
owners would put anything else but dino oil. Personally I run synthetic oil
in all my cars(99 V6 Passat & daughters 99 1.8t Passat) , trucks(88 S10
Blazer), wife's car(99 Malibu) too. Even my Sears 24hp tractor runs
synthetic! You just can beet the benefits of synthetic.
"Libby" <libethl@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:d72dc68b.0409080633.153e0dd3@posting.google.c om...
> sd <sd55117@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:<sd55117-2DFBC7.19384307092004@news.mpls.visi.com>...
> > So you've dropped more than 50 grand on two cars in three years and
> > the problem is that the right oil costs significantly more? I must be
> > missing something here ...
> >
> > sd
>
> You are. My frustration is having to undertake the expense of
> compensating for VW's manufacturing mistakes. The fact that I have
> money doesn't mean I'm going to just hand it out to companies.
>
> Libby
#43
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Re: 1.8T Oil issue -- cost
Mistakes, what mistakes? All 1.8t turbo's in Germany had synthetic and
required to have synthetic for all services done. I think VW only
recommended dino oil for fear American Passsat owners would cry at the added
cost($20) of getting the oil changed. But then again how many Passat 1.8t
owners would put anything else but dino oil. Personally I run synthetic oil
in all my cars(99 V6 Passat & daughters 99 1.8t Passat) , trucks(88 S10
Blazer), wife's car(99 Malibu) too. Even my Sears 24hp tractor runs
synthetic! You just can beet the benefits of synthetic.
"Libby" <libethl@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:d72dc68b.0409080633.153e0dd3@posting.google.c om...
> sd <sd55117@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:<sd55117-2DFBC7.19384307092004@news.mpls.visi.com>...
> > So you've dropped more than 50 grand on two cars in three years and
> > the problem is that the right oil costs significantly more? I must be
> > missing something here ...
> >
> > sd
>
> You are. My frustration is having to undertake the expense of
> compensating for VW's manufacturing mistakes. The fact that I have
> money doesn't mean I'm going to just hand it out to companies.
>
> Libby
required to have synthetic for all services done. I think VW only
recommended dino oil for fear American Passsat owners would cry at the added
cost($20) of getting the oil changed. But then again how many Passat 1.8t
owners would put anything else but dino oil. Personally I run synthetic oil
in all my cars(99 V6 Passat & daughters 99 1.8t Passat) , trucks(88 S10
Blazer), wife's car(99 Malibu) too. Even my Sears 24hp tractor runs
synthetic! You just can beet the benefits of synthetic.
"Libby" <libethl@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:d72dc68b.0409080633.153e0dd3@posting.google.c om...
> sd <sd55117@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:<sd55117-2DFBC7.19384307092004@news.mpls.visi.com>...
> > So you've dropped more than 50 grand on two cars in three years and
> > the problem is that the right oil costs significantly more? I must be
> > missing something here ...
> >
> > sd
>
> You are. My frustration is having to undertake the expense of
> compensating for VW's manufacturing mistakes. The fact that I have
> money doesn't mean I'm going to just hand it out to companies.
>
> Libby
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Re: 1.8T Oil issue -- cost
"Biz" <biznospam@notatt.net> wrote in message news:<gwG%c.567575$Gx4.478853@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>...
> easy solution, sell your cars and go find something else to whine about, as
> long as its in another group. Anyone not gladly using sythetic oil in a
> decent performing engine when its recommended/required by the manufacturer
> is juat a fool.
"Biz", I didn't see you posted as moderator of this group. Perhaps in
your role, you could contact both dealerships -- Audi and VW -- who
have been serving my vehicles since purchase. Both have been using
regular oil.
[Note: any moderator, even self-appointed, who doesn't use spell check
is *just* a fool]
Libby
> easy solution, sell your cars and go find something else to whine about, as
> long as its in another group. Anyone not gladly using sythetic oil in a
> decent performing engine when its recommended/required by the manufacturer
> is juat a fool.
"Biz", I didn't see you posted as moderator of this group. Perhaps in
your role, you could contact both dealerships -- Audi and VW -- who
have been serving my vehicles since purchase. Both have been using
regular oil.
[Note: any moderator, even self-appointed, who doesn't use spell check
is *just* a fool]
Libby
#45
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Re: 1.8T Oil issue -- cost
"Biz" <biznospam@notatt.net> wrote in message news:<gwG%c.567575$Gx4.478853@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>...
> easy solution, sell your cars and go find something else to whine about, as
> long as its in another group. Anyone not gladly using sythetic oil in a
> decent performing engine when its recommended/required by the manufacturer
> is juat a fool.
"Biz", I didn't see you posted as moderator of this group. Perhaps in
your role, you could contact both dealerships -- Audi and VW -- who
have been serving my vehicles since purchase. Both have been using
regular oil.
[Note: any moderator, even self-appointed, who doesn't use spell check
is *just* a fool]
Libby
> easy solution, sell your cars and go find something else to whine about, as
> long as its in another group. Anyone not gladly using sythetic oil in a
> decent performing engine when its recommended/required by the manufacturer
> is juat a fool.
"Biz", I didn't see you posted as moderator of this group. Perhaps in
your role, you could contact both dealerships -- Audi and VW -- who
have been serving my vehicles since purchase. Both have been using
regular oil.
[Note: any moderator, even self-appointed, who doesn't use spell check
is *just* a fool]
Libby
#46
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Re: 1.8T Oil issue -- cost
"Will" <?illbreeze@canada.com> wrote in message news:<U9H%c.344711$M95.242144@pd7tw1no>...
> Libby, I think the thing to consider, is that using dino oil, isn't going to
> break your engines, esp. if you are always changing every 5000km. I
> understand where your frustation with VW is comming from, but I would
> suggest that this isn't some sort of manufacturing defect. It's just that VW
> has decided that synthetic is better in the long run. This is something that
> a lot of people have decided on thier own many years ago. Most of us woudn't
> put dino oil in our new cars. Your Audi must almost be out of warranty, when
> that happens you can put whatever oil you think would be best. Hell, you
> could even put whatever you want to in now, and just hope nothing goes
> wrong. Even if its unrelated, I would bet money they would blame it on the
> oil. (BTW, thats a gamble I shoudn't even joke about. Getting screwed on a
> warranty issue would be way more expensive, than the right oil)
> If you still have a lot of anger directed at VW and dont want to pay them
> for thier "mistake" then maybe you can take your cars to some minute lube
> place that "protects warranties" and pay them instead, then at least VW wont
> be collecting on the extra cost of synthetic.
Thanks, Will, and the others in the group who have posted helpful
answers in this thread. I've gotten a lot of good information and can
now enter my discussion with the dealership service reps a little more
educated.
Libby
> Libby, I think the thing to consider, is that using dino oil, isn't going to
> break your engines, esp. if you are always changing every 5000km. I
> understand where your frustation with VW is comming from, but I would
> suggest that this isn't some sort of manufacturing defect. It's just that VW
> has decided that synthetic is better in the long run. This is something that
> a lot of people have decided on thier own many years ago. Most of us woudn't
> put dino oil in our new cars. Your Audi must almost be out of warranty, when
> that happens you can put whatever oil you think would be best. Hell, you
> could even put whatever you want to in now, and just hope nothing goes
> wrong. Even if its unrelated, I would bet money they would blame it on the
> oil. (BTW, thats a gamble I shoudn't even joke about. Getting screwed on a
> warranty issue would be way more expensive, than the right oil)
> If you still have a lot of anger directed at VW and dont want to pay them
> for thier "mistake" then maybe you can take your cars to some minute lube
> place that "protects warranties" and pay them instead, then at least VW wont
> be collecting on the extra cost of synthetic.
Thanks, Will, and the others in the group who have posted helpful
answers in this thread. I've gotten a lot of good information and can
now enter my discussion with the dealership service reps a little more
educated.
Libby
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Re: 1.8T Oil issue -- cost
"Will" <?illbreeze@canada.com> wrote in message news:<U9H%c.344711$M95.242144@pd7tw1no>...
> Libby, I think the thing to consider, is that using dino oil, isn't going to
> break your engines, esp. if you are always changing every 5000km. I
> understand where your frustation with VW is comming from, but I would
> suggest that this isn't some sort of manufacturing defect. It's just that VW
> has decided that synthetic is better in the long run. This is something that
> a lot of people have decided on thier own many years ago. Most of us woudn't
> put dino oil in our new cars. Your Audi must almost be out of warranty, when
> that happens you can put whatever oil you think would be best. Hell, you
> could even put whatever you want to in now, and just hope nothing goes
> wrong. Even if its unrelated, I would bet money they would blame it on the
> oil. (BTW, thats a gamble I shoudn't even joke about. Getting screwed on a
> warranty issue would be way more expensive, than the right oil)
> If you still have a lot of anger directed at VW and dont want to pay them
> for thier "mistake" then maybe you can take your cars to some minute lube
> place that "protects warranties" and pay them instead, then at least VW wont
> be collecting on the extra cost of synthetic.
Thanks, Will, and the others in the group who have posted helpful
answers in this thread. I've gotten a lot of good information and can
now enter my discussion with the dealership service reps a little more
educated.
Libby
> Libby, I think the thing to consider, is that using dino oil, isn't going to
> break your engines, esp. if you are always changing every 5000km. I
> understand where your frustation with VW is comming from, but I would
> suggest that this isn't some sort of manufacturing defect. It's just that VW
> has decided that synthetic is better in the long run. This is something that
> a lot of people have decided on thier own many years ago. Most of us woudn't
> put dino oil in our new cars. Your Audi must almost be out of warranty, when
> that happens you can put whatever oil you think would be best. Hell, you
> could even put whatever you want to in now, and just hope nothing goes
> wrong. Even if its unrelated, I would bet money they would blame it on the
> oil. (BTW, thats a gamble I shoudn't even joke about. Getting screwed on a
> warranty issue would be way more expensive, than the right oil)
> If you still have a lot of anger directed at VW and dont want to pay them
> for thier "mistake" then maybe you can take your cars to some minute lube
> place that "protects warranties" and pay them instead, then at least VW wont
> be collecting on the extra cost of synthetic.
Thanks, Will, and the others in the group who have posted helpful
answers in this thread. I've gotten a lot of good information and can
now enter my discussion with the dealership service reps a little more
educated.
Libby
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Re: 1.8T Oil issue -- cost
Libby wrote:
> "Will" <?illbreeze@canada.com> wrote in message news:<U9H%c.344711$M95.242144@pd7tw1no>...
>
>>Libby, I think the thing to consider, is that using dino oil, isn't going to
>>break your engines, esp. if you are always changing every 5000km. I
>>understand where your frustation with VW is comming from, but I would
>>suggest that this isn't some sort of manufacturing defect. It's just that VW
>>has decided that synthetic is better in the long run. This is something that
>>a lot of people have decided on thier own many years ago. Most of us woudn't
>>put dino oil in our new cars. Your Audi must almost be out of warranty, when
>>that happens you can put whatever oil you think would be best. Hell, you
>>could even put whatever you want to in now, and just hope nothing goes
>>wrong. Even if its unrelated, I would bet money they would blame it on the
>>oil. (BTW, thats a gamble I shoudn't even joke about. Getting screwed on a
>>warranty issue would be way more expensive, than the right oil)
>>If you still have a lot of anger directed at VW and dont want to pay them
>>for thier "mistake" then maybe you can take your cars to some minute lube
>>place that "protects warranties" and pay them instead, then at least VW wont
>>be collecting on the extra cost of synthetic.
>
>
> Thanks, Will, and the others in the group who have posted helpful
> answers in this thread. I've gotten a lot of good information and can
> now enter my discussion with the dealership service reps a little more
> educated.
>
> Libby
Good Luck dealing with the service reps. We have had nothing but trouble
when there has been an issue with our New Beetle....Go in and stand firm
on your position!
> "Will" <?illbreeze@canada.com> wrote in message news:<U9H%c.344711$M95.242144@pd7tw1no>...
>
>>Libby, I think the thing to consider, is that using dino oil, isn't going to
>>break your engines, esp. if you are always changing every 5000km. I
>>understand where your frustation with VW is comming from, but I would
>>suggest that this isn't some sort of manufacturing defect. It's just that VW
>>has decided that synthetic is better in the long run. This is something that
>>a lot of people have decided on thier own many years ago. Most of us woudn't
>>put dino oil in our new cars. Your Audi must almost be out of warranty, when
>>that happens you can put whatever oil you think would be best. Hell, you
>>could even put whatever you want to in now, and just hope nothing goes
>>wrong. Even if its unrelated, I would bet money they would blame it on the
>>oil. (BTW, thats a gamble I shoudn't even joke about. Getting screwed on a
>>warranty issue would be way more expensive, than the right oil)
>>If you still have a lot of anger directed at VW and dont want to pay them
>>for thier "mistake" then maybe you can take your cars to some minute lube
>>place that "protects warranties" and pay them instead, then at least VW wont
>>be collecting on the extra cost of synthetic.
>
>
> Thanks, Will, and the others in the group who have posted helpful
> answers in this thread. I've gotten a lot of good information and can
> now enter my discussion with the dealership service reps a little more
> educated.
>
> Libby
Good Luck dealing with the service reps. We have had nothing but trouble
when there has been an issue with our New Beetle....Go in and stand firm
on your position!
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Re: 1.8T Oil issue -- cost
Libby wrote:
> "Will" <?illbreeze@canada.com> wrote in message news:<U9H%c.344711$M95.242144@pd7tw1no>...
>
>>Libby, I think the thing to consider, is that using dino oil, isn't going to
>>break your engines, esp. if you are always changing every 5000km. I
>>understand where your frustation with VW is comming from, but I would
>>suggest that this isn't some sort of manufacturing defect. It's just that VW
>>has decided that synthetic is better in the long run. This is something that
>>a lot of people have decided on thier own many years ago. Most of us woudn't
>>put dino oil in our new cars. Your Audi must almost be out of warranty, when
>>that happens you can put whatever oil you think would be best. Hell, you
>>could even put whatever you want to in now, and just hope nothing goes
>>wrong. Even if its unrelated, I would bet money they would blame it on the
>>oil. (BTW, thats a gamble I shoudn't even joke about. Getting screwed on a
>>warranty issue would be way more expensive, than the right oil)
>>If you still have a lot of anger directed at VW and dont want to pay them
>>for thier "mistake" then maybe you can take your cars to some minute lube
>>place that "protects warranties" and pay them instead, then at least VW wont
>>be collecting on the extra cost of synthetic.
>
>
> Thanks, Will, and the others in the group who have posted helpful
> answers in this thread. I've gotten a lot of good information and can
> now enter my discussion with the dealership service reps a little more
> educated.
>
> Libby
Good Luck dealing with the service reps. We have had nothing but trouble
when there has been an issue with our New Beetle....Go in and stand firm
on your position!
> "Will" <?illbreeze@canada.com> wrote in message news:<U9H%c.344711$M95.242144@pd7tw1no>...
>
>>Libby, I think the thing to consider, is that using dino oil, isn't going to
>>break your engines, esp. if you are always changing every 5000km. I
>>understand where your frustation with VW is comming from, but I would
>>suggest that this isn't some sort of manufacturing defect. It's just that VW
>>has decided that synthetic is better in the long run. This is something that
>>a lot of people have decided on thier own many years ago. Most of us woudn't
>>put dino oil in our new cars. Your Audi must almost be out of warranty, when
>>that happens you can put whatever oil you think would be best. Hell, you
>>could even put whatever you want to in now, and just hope nothing goes
>>wrong. Even if its unrelated, I would bet money they would blame it on the
>>oil. (BTW, thats a gamble I shoudn't even joke about. Getting screwed on a
>>warranty issue would be way more expensive, than the right oil)
>>If you still have a lot of anger directed at VW and dont want to pay them
>>for thier "mistake" then maybe you can take your cars to some minute lube
>>place that "protects warranties" and pay them instead, then at least VW wont
>>be collecting on the extra cost of synthetic.
>
>
> Thanks, Will, and the others in the group who have posted helpful
> answers in this thread. I've gotten a lot of good information and can
> now enter my discussion with the dealership service reps a little more
> educated.
>
> Libby
Good Luck dealing with the service reps. We have had nothing but trouble
when there has been an issue with our New Beetle....Go in and stand firm
on your position!
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Re: 1.8T Oil issue -- cost
In article <413f7ad1$0$250$4d5ecec7@reader.city-net.com>,
"Woodchuck" <stv_euroski@yahoo.comXXX> wrote:
> I think VW only
> recommended dino oil for fear American Passsat owners would cry at the added
> cost($20) of getting the oil changed.
And so here is your proof ...
sd
"Woodchuck" <stv_euroski@yahoo.comXXX> wrote:
> I think VW only
> recommended dino oil for fear American Passsat owners would cry at the added
> cost($20) of getting the oil changed.
And so here is your proof ...
sd