1.8T Oil issue -- cost
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Re: 1.8T Oil issue -- cost
Libby wrote:
>
> The issue is that the *new* requirements were *not* in place when I
> bought the car. I *expected* to maintain the car as it was delivered
> to me by the manufacturer -- synthetic oils were not part of the
> maintenance standard at the time of purchase.
Did you seriously know that? Did you ask the dealer what kind of oil
was required? If you did know then that synth was required (as if I'd
ever put anything other than synth in a new car anyway), would you have
walked away?
--
Mike Smith
>
> The issue is that the *new* requirements were *not* in place when I
> bought the car. I *expected* to maintain the car as it was delivered
> to me by the manufacturer -- synthetic oils were not part of the
> maintenance standard at the time of purchase.
Did you seriously know that? Did you ask the dealer what kind of oil
was required? If you did know then that synth was required (as if I'd
ever put anything other than synth in a new car anyway), would you have
walked away?
--
Mike Smith
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Re: 1.8T Oil issue -- cost
<jimbehning@doesthisblockporkmindspring.com> wrote in message
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> I have used synthetic oil in my cars since about 1985 or so. Having a
> turbo means no additional oil expense to me. I have to do 3.5 oil
> changes in the car and 1 oil change on the truck every year.
Lol , you driving a mclaren F1?
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Re: 1.8T Oil issue -- cost
<jimbehning@doesthisblockporkmindspring.com> wrote in message
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> I have used synthetic oil in my cars since about 1985 or so. Having a
> turbo means no additional oil expense to me. I have to do 3.5 oil
> changes in the car and 1 oil change on the truck every year.
Lol , you driving a mclaren F1?
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Re: 1.8T Oil issue -- cost
sd <sd55117@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:<sd55117-2DFBC7.19384307092004@news.mpls.visi.com>...
> So you've dropped more than 50 grand on two cars in three years and
> the problem is that the right oil costs significantly more? I must be
> missing something here ...
>
> sd
You are. My frustration is having to undertake the expense of
compensating for VW's manufacturing mistakes. The fact that I have
money doesn't mean I'm going to just hand it out to companies.
Libby
> So you've dropped more than 50 grand on two cars in three years and
> the problem is that the right oil costs significantly more? I must be
> missing something here ...
>
> sd
You are. My frustration is having to undertake the expense of
compensating for VW's manufacturing mistakes. The fact that I have
money doesn't mean I'm going to just hand it out to companies.
Libby
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sd <sd55117@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:<sd55117-2DFBC7.19384307092004@news.mpls.visi.com>...
> So you've dropped more than 50 grand on two cars in three years and
> the problem is that the right oil costs significantly more? I must be
> missing something here ...
>
> sd
You are. My frustration is having to undertake the expense of
compensating for VW's manufacturing mistakes. The fact that I have
money doesn't mean I'm going to just hand it out to companies.
Libby
> So you've dropped more than 50 grand on two cars in three years and
> the problem is that the right oil costs significantly more? I must be
> missing something here ...
>
> sd
You are. My frustration is having to undertake the expense of
compensating for VW's manufacturing mistakes. The fact that I have
money doesn't mean I'm going to just hand it out to companies.
Libby
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Re: 1.8T Oil issue -- cost
"Libby" <libethl@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> sd <sd55117@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> > So you've dropped more than 50 grand on two cars in three years and
> > the problem is that the right oil costs significantly more? I must be
> > missing something here ...
> >
> > sd
>
> You are. My frustration is having to undertake the expense of
> compensating for VW's manufacturing mistakes. The fact that I have
> money doesn't mean I'm going to just hand it out to companies.
>
> Libby
easy solution, sell your cars and go find something else to whine about, as
long as its in another group. Anyone not gladly using sythetic oil in a
decent performing engine when its recommended/required by the manufacturer
is juat a fool.
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Re: 1.8T Oil issue -- cost
"Libby" <libethl@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> sd <sd55117@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> > So you've dropped more than 50 grand on two cars in three years and
> > the problem is that the right oil costs significantly more? I must be
> > missing something here ...
> >
> > sd
>
> You are. My frustration is having to undertake the expense of
> compensating for VW's manufacturing mistakes. The fact that I have
> money doesn't mean I'm going to just hand it out to companies.
>
> Libby
easy solution, sell your cars and go find something else to whine about, as
long as its in another group. Anyone not gladly using sythetic oil in a
decent performing engine when its recommended/required by the manufacturer
is juat a fool.
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Re: 1.8T Oil issue -- cost
Libby, I think the thing to consider, is that using dino oil, isn't going to
break your engines, esp. if you are always changing every 5000km. I
understand where your frustation with VW is comming from, but I would
suggest that this isn't some sort of manufacturing defect. It's just that VW
has decided that synthetic is better in the long run. This is something that
a lot of people have decided on thier own many years ago. Most of us woudn't
put dino oil in our new cars. Your Audi must almost be out of warranty, when
that happens you can put whatever oil you think would be best. Hell, you
could even put whatever you want to in now, and just hope nothing goes
wrong. Even if its unrelated, I would bet money they would blame it on the
oil. (BTW, thats a gamble I shoudn't even joke about. Getting screwed on a
warranty issue would be way more expensive, than the right oil)
If you still have a lot of anger directed at VW and dont want to pay them
for thier "mistake" then maybe you can take your cars to some minute lube
place that "protects warranties" and pay them instead, then at least VW wont
be collecting on the extra cost of synthetic.
"Libby" <libethl@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> sd <sd55117@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:<sd55117-2DFBC7.19384307092004@news.mpls.visi.com>...
>> So you've dropped more than 50 grand on two cars in three years and
>> the problem is that the right oil costs significantly more? I must be
>> missing something here ...
>>
>> sd
>
> You are. My frustration is having to undertake the expense of
> compensating for VW's manufacturing mistakes. The fact that I have
> money doesn't mean I'm going to just hand it out to companies.
>
> Libby
break your engines, esp. if you are always changing every 5000km. I
understand where your frustation with VW is comming from, but I would
suggest that this isn't some sort of manufacturing defect. It's just that VW
has decided that synthetic is better in the long run. This is something that
a lot of people have decided on thier own many years ago. Most of us woudn't
put dino oil in our new cars. Your Audi must almost be out of warranty, when
that happens you can put whatever oil you think would be best. Hell, you
could even put whatever you want to in now, and just hope nothing goes
wrong. Even if its unrelated, I would bet money they would blame it on the
oil. (BTW, thats a gamble I shoudn't even joke about. Getting screwed on a
warranty issue would be way more expensive, than the right oil)
If you still have a lot of anger directed at VW and dont want to pay them
for thier "mistake" then maybe you can take your cars to some minute lube
place that "protects warranties" and pay them instead, then at least VW wont
be collecting on the extra cost of synthetic.
"Libby" <libethl@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> sd <sd55117@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:<sd55117-2DFBC7.19384307092004@news.mpls.visi.com>...
>> So you've dropped more than 50 grand on two cars in three years and
>> the problem is that the right oil costs significantly more? I must be
>> missing something here ...
>>
>> sd
>
> You are. My frustration is having to undertake the expense of
> compensating for VW's manufacturing mistakes. The fact that I have
> money doesn't mean I'm going to just hand it out to companies.
>
> Libby
#39
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Re: 1.8T Oil issue -- cost
Libby, I think the thing to consider, is that using dino oil, isn't going to
break your engines, esp. if you are always changing every 5000km. I
understand where your frustation with VW is comming from, but I would
suggest that this isn't some sort of manufacturing defect. It's just that VW
has decided that synthetic is better in the long run. This is something that
a lot of people have decided on thier own many years ago. Most of us woudn't
put dino oil in our new cars. Your Audi must almost be out of warranty, when
that happens you can put whatever oil you think would be best. Hell, you
could even put whatever you want to in now, and just hope nothing goes
wrong. Even if its unrelated, I would bet money they would blame it on the
oil. (BTW, thats a gamble I shoudn't even joke about. Getting screwed on a
warranty issue would be way more expensive, than the right oil)
If you still have a lot of anger directed at VW and dont want to pay them
for thier "mistake" then maybe you can take your cars to some minute lube
place that "protects warranties" and pay them instead, then at least VW wont
be collecting on the extra cost of synthetic.
"Libby" <libethl@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> sd <sd55117@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:<sd55117-2DFBC7.19384307092004@news.mpls.visi.com>...
>> So you've dropped more than 50 grand on two cars in three years and
>> the problem is that the right oil costs significantly more? I must be
>> missing something here ...
>>
>> sd
>
> You are. My frustration is having to undertake the expense of
> compensating for VW's manufacturing mistakes. The fact that I have
> money doesn't mean I'm going to just hand it out to companies.
>
> Libby
break your engines, esp. if you are always changing every 5000km. I
understand where your frustation with VW is comming from, but I would
suggest that this isn't some sort of manufacturing defect. It's just that VW
has decided that synthetic is better in the long run. This is something that
a lot of people have decided on thier own many years ago. Most of us woudn't
put dino oil in our new cars. Your Audi must almost be out of warranty, when
that happens you can put whatever oil you think would be best. Hell, you
could even put whatever you want to in now, and just hope nothing goes
wrong. Even if its unrelated, I would bet money they would blame it on the
oil. (BTW, thats a gamble I shoudn't even joke about. Getting screwed on a
warranty issue would be way more expensive, than the right oil)
If you still have a lot of anger directed at VW and dont want to pay them
for thier "mistake" then maybe you can take your cars to some minute lube
place that "protects warranties" and pay them instead, then at least VW wont
be collecting on the extra cost of synthetic.
"Libby" <libethl@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> sd <sd55117@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:<sd55117-2DFBC7.19384307092004@news.mpls.visi.com>...
>> So you've dropped more than 50 grand on two cars in three years and
>> the problem is that the right oil costs significantly more? I must be
>> missing something here ...
>>
>> sd
>
> You are. My frustration is having to undertake the expense of
> compensating for VW's manufacturing mistakes. The fact that I have
> money doesn't mean I'm going to just hand it out to companies.
>
> Libby
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Re: 1.8T Oil issue -- cost
The 1.8T in Passats have a factory oil capacity of 3.9 quarts - all other
1.8Ts have a capacity of 4.8 quarts - that amount is enough to assist with
lubrication and heat dissipation. It's VERY rare to see a non-Passat 1.8
with "turbo turds" lining the oil pan.
"Rex B" <rex@@txol.net> wrote in message
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> We have a 2000 NB Turbo and have received no such notice.
> Can anyone elaborate on this?
>
> On 6 Sep 2004 19:44:16 -0700, libethl@yahoo.com (Libby) wrote:
>
> ||I'm posting to both groups because I own two cars: a 2000 Audi A4 1.8T
> ||Avant and a 2003 VW Passat 1.8T. I haven't seen much discussion on the
> ||*cost* of the synthic oil issue.
> ||
> ||I got both notices regarding the synthetic engine oil issue (one for
> ||each auto) on the same day. However, it wasn't until my VW dealer did
> ||the change over on the Passat that I began to realize the cost issues.
> ||The oil changes using synthetic are going to be at least twice as much
> ||as for a regular oil change. So, the oil maintenance costs have
> ||effictively DOUBLED for the life of each vehicle.
> ||
> ||Needless to say, I'm a little ticked. But, I'm not too car savvy (I'm
> ||now seeing the error in having two vehicles with the same engine). Is
> ||this just a problem I'm going to have to such up? If it's their
> ||mistake, why do I have to undertake the additional costs?
> ||
> ||Can anyone enlighten me? Or offer suggestions or remedies??
> ||
> ||Thanks for any help,
> ||Libby
>
> Texas Parts Guy
1.8Ts have a capacity of 4.8 quarts - that amount is enough to assist with
lubrication and heat dissipation. It's VERY rare to see a non-Passat 1.8
with "turbo turds" lining the oil pan.
"Rex B" <rex@@txol.net> wrote in message
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> We have a 2000 NB Turbo and have received no such notice.
> Can anyone elaborate on this?
>
> On 6 Sep 2004 19:44:16 -0700, libethl@yahoo.com (Libby) wrote:
>
> ||I'm posting to both groups because I own two cars: a 2000 Audi A4 1.8T
> ||Avant and a 2003 VW Passat 1.8T. I haven't seen much discussion on the
> ||*cost* of the synthic oil issue.
> ||
> ||I got both notices regarding the synthetic engine oil issue (one for
> ||each auto) on the same day. However, it wasn't until my VW dealer did
> ||the change over on the Passat that I began to realize the cost issues.
> ||The oil changes using synthetic are going to be at least twice as much
> ||as for a regular oil change. So, the oil maintenance costs have
> ||effictively DOUBLED for the life of each vehicle.
> ||
> ||Needless to say, I'm a little ticked. But, I'm not too car savvy (I'm
> ||now seeing the error in having two vehicles with the same engine). Is
> ||this just a problem I'm going to have to such up? If it's their
> ||mistake, why do I have to undertake the additional costs?
> ||
> ||Can anyone enlighten me? Or offer suggestions or remedies??
> ||
> ||Thanks for any help,
> ||Libby
>
> Texas Parts Guy