"Steve Grauman" <oneactor1@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20040612021232.13447.00000806@mb-m18.aol.com...
> >I think Byron and Toby answered your first question. I would say the
vast
> >majority of V-12s if they are at a 60 degree Vee. the VR engines are 15
> >degrees so how can it be the same. balance shafts are different that
> >dampeners. look at the NA BMW V-12, and the NA MB. no I wasn't you just
didn't answer the question.
> >
>
> I've ridden in 2 generations of MB S600 and a 760IL. I can honestly say
that
> the W12 powered Pheaton I rode in was just as smooth. But you'd have to
have actually been in one to know what you're talking about.

how can you ride in two (2) generations of the 760 this is the first model
of it ever, the same with the MB so now I know you are full of . this
is the first model year of both cars so how can you have "I've ridden in 2
generations of MB S600 and a 760IL." when this is the first gen. for both.

so Steve what other bullshit are you going to tell us??

now sir you are the liar, join Olie North, liar.

Stevie is a liar, does it hurt to bend the truth.

 

"Steve Grauman" <oneactor1@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20040612021232.13447.00000806@mb-m18.aol.com...
> >I think Byron and Toby answered your first question. I would say the
vast
> >majority of V-12s if they are at a 60 degree Vee. the VR engines are 15
> >degrees so how can it be the same. balance shafts are different that
> >dampeners. look at the NA BMW V-12, and the NA MB. no I wasn't you just
didn't answer the question.
> >
>
> I've ridden in 2 generations of MB S600 and a 760IL. I can honestly say
that
> the W12 powered Pheaton I rode in was just as smooth. But you'd have to
have actually been in one to know what you're talking about.

how can you ride in two (2) generations of the 760 this is the first model
of it ever, the same with the MB so now I know you are full of . this
is the first model year of both cars so how can you have "I've ridden in 2
generations of MB S600 and a 760IL." when this is the first gen. for both.

so Steve what other bullshit are you going to tell us??

now sir you are the liar, join Olie North, liar.

Stevie is a liar, does it hurt to bend the truth.

 

Tha Ghee wrote:
>
> the coupe Accord has the 3.2.

Not in the US it doesn't.

http://www.hondacars.com/models/mode...rDetected=True

--
Mike Smith

 

Tha Ghee wrote:
>
> the coupe Accord has the 3.2.

Not in the US it doesn't.

http://www.hondacars.com/models/mode...rDetected=True

--
Mike Smith

 

Tha Ghee wrote:

> "Mike Smith" <mike_UNDERSCORE_smith@acm.DOT.org> wrote in message
> news:10cpm04i4f02p84@news.supernews.com...
>>
>>No, they're not. 60 degrees is the optimal angle for balancing, but for
>>packaging reasons (i.e. not as tall) 90 degrees is much more common, at
>>least in American cars. The Audi/VW 2.8 V6 is 90 degrees, as are the
>>newer Audi V6 engines. I believe the Honda 3.0 and 3.5 V6es are also 90
>>degrees.
>
> no you're incorrect, the 2.8 is 15 degree

No, the *VR6* is 15 degrees. The *V6* is not. The 2.8L engine used in
the VW Passat and previous-gen Audi A4 and A6 is a 90-degree *V6*, not
the *VR6* used in the GTI. *Different engine*.

> most are V-6s are 60 degree, the
> only ones are GM Ford, the big 3.

Um, given that they are the largest auto manufacturers in the world (not
just the US - the *world*), that would mean that *most* V6es are 90-degree.

> the 3.0 and 3.5 are 60 degree
> www.honda.com

That may be, but GM and Ford make *lots* more engines than Honda worldwide.

--
Mike Smith

 

Tha Ghee wrote:

> "Mike Smith" <mike_UNDERSCORE_smith@acm.DOT.org> wrote in message
> news:10cpm04i4f02p84@news.supernews.com...
>>
>>No, they're not. 60 degrees is the optimal angle for balancing, but for
>>packaging reasons (i.e. not as tall) 90 degrees is much more common, at
>>least in American cars. The Audi/VW 2.8 V6 is 90 degrees, as are the
>>newer Audi V6 engines. I believe the Honda 3.0 and 3.5 V6es are also 90
>>degrees.
>
> no you're incorrect, the 2.8 is 15 degree

No, the *VR6* is 15 degrees. The *V6* is not. The 2.8L engine used in
the VW Passat and previous-gen Audi A4 and A6 is a 90-degree *V6*, not
the *VR6* used in the GTI. *Different engine*.

> most are V-6s are 60 degree, the
> only ones are GM Ford, the big 3.

Um, given that they are the largest auto manufacturers in the world (not
just the US - the *world*), that would mean that *most* V6es are 90-degree.

> the 3.0 and 3.5 are 60 degree
> www.honda.com

That may be, but GM and Ford make *lots* more engines than Honda worldwide.

--
Mike Smith

 

>how can you ride in two (2) generations of the 760 this is the first model
>of it ever

I meant 750/760. Prior to the new version, the 750 was BMW's 12-cylinder
flagship model. So this is not their first one.

> the same with the MB so now I know you are full of .

What? Again, MB has been building an S600 for several years! You're a moron.

>now sir you are the liar, join Olie North, liar.
>
>Stevie is a liar, does it hurt to bend the truth.

FInd an instance where I lied. For the time being, you're still the king of
fabrications.

 

>how can you ride in two (2) generations of the 760 this is the first model
>of it ever

I meant 750/760. Prior to the new version, the 750 was BMW's 12-cylinder
flagship model. So this is not their first one.

> the same with the MB so now I know you are full of .

What? Again, MB has been building an S600 for several years! You're a moron.

>now sir you are the liar, join Olie North, liar.
>
>Stevie is a liar, does it hurt to bend the truth.

FInd an instance where I lied. For the time being, you're still the king of
fabrications.

 

>no you're incorrect, the 2.8 is 15

You're a dipshit. VW's 2.8 VR6 is 15 degrees. Audi's 2.8 V6, found in the B5 A4
and B5/B5.5 Passat are both 90 degress.

 

>no you're incorrect, the 2.8 is 15

You're a dipshit. VW's 2.8 VR6 is 15 degrees. Audi's 2.8 V6, found in the B5 A4
and B5/B5.5 Passat are both 90 degress.