$74,000
#61
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: $74,000
>I think Byron and Toby answered your first question. I would say the vast
>majority of V-12s if they are at a 60 degree Vee. the VR engines are 15
>degrees so how can it be the same. balance shafts are different that
>dampeners. look at the NA BMW V-12, and the NA MB. no I wasn't you just
>didn't answer the question.
>
I've ridden in 2 generations of MB S600 and a 760IL. I can honestly say that
the W12 powered Pheaton I rode in was just as smooth. But you'd have to have
actually been in one to know what you're talking about.
>majority of V-12s if they are at a 60 degree Vee. the VR engines are 15
>degrees so how can it be the same. balance shafts are different that
>dampeners. look at the NA BMW V-12, and the NA MB. no I wasn't you just
>didn't answer the question.
>
I've ridden in 2 generations of MB S600 and a 760IL. I can honestly say that
the W12 powered Pheaton I rode in was just as smooth. But you'd have to have
actually been in one to know what you're talking about.
#62
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: $74,000
>I think Byron and Toby answered your first question. I would say the vast
>majority of V-12s if they are at a 60 degree Vee. the VR engines are 15
>degrees so how can it be the same. balance shafts are different that
>dampeners. look at the NA BMW V-12, and the NA MB. no I wasn't you just
>didn't answer the question.
>
I've ridden in 2 generations of MB S600 and a 760IL. I can honestly say that
the W12 powered Pheaton I rode in was just as smooth. But you'd have to have
actually been in one to know what you're talking about.
>majority of V-12s if they are at a 60 degree Vee. the VR engines are 15
>degrees so how can it be the same. balance shafts are different that
>dampeners. look at the NA BMW V-12, and the NA MB. no I wasn't you just
>didn't answer the question.
>
I've ridden in 2 generations of MB S600 and a 760IL. I can honestly say that
the W12 powered Pheaton I rode in was just as smooth. But you'd have to have
actually been in one to know what you're talking about.
#63
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: $74,000
>then make the A8 wider
Making the A8 wide enough to accomodate the Lamborghini V12 would've been
excessive. Beyond that, I'm not sure what you don't understand about the
production limitations of the Lambo V12. It would've required millions of
dollars to re-tool for that. Don't forget, Audi had already incurred the cost
of adapting manufacturing lines for the W12. They introduced the engine in 2001
in the previous A8.
>never said it wasn't a great car, past being a VW but it's not as
>smooth as a VS.-12.
It's not a VW. The A8 and Pheaton share only minimal suspension components.
Making the A8 wide enough to accomodate the Lamborghini V12 would've been
excessive. Beyond that, I'm not sure what you don't understand about the
production limitations of the Lambo V12. It would've required millions of
dollars to re-tool for that. Don't forget, Audi had already incurred the cost
of adapting manufacturing lines for the W12. They introduced the engine in 2001
in the previous A8.
>never said it wasn't a great car, past being a VW but it's not as
>smooth as a VS.-12.
It's not a VW. The A8 and Pheaton share only minimal suspension components.
#64
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: $74,000
>then make the A8 wider
Making the A8 wide enough to accomodate the Lamborghini V12 would've been
excessive. Beyond that, I'm not sure what you don't understand about the
production limitations of the Lambo V12. It would've required millions of
dollars to re-tool for that. Don't forget, Audi had already incurred the cost
of adapting manufacturing lines for the W12. They introduced the engine in 2001
in the previous A8.
>never said it wasn't a great car, past being a VW but it's not as
>smooth as a VS.-12.
It's not a VW. The A8 and Pheaton share only minimal suspension components.
Making the A8 wide enough to accomodate the Lamborghini V12 would've been
excessive. Beyond that, I'm not sure what you don't understand about the
production limitations of the Lambo V12. It would've required millions of
dollars to re-tool for that. Don't forget, Audi had already incurred the cost
of adapting manufacturing lines for the W12. They introduced the engine in 2001
in the previous A8.
>never said it wasn't a great car, past being a VW but it's not as
>smooth as a VS.-12.
It's not a VW. The A8 and Pheaton share only minimal suspension components.
#67
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: $74,000
Tha Ghee wrote:
> "Steve Grauman" <oneactor1@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:20040607002940.07360.00000633@mb-m03.aol.com...
>
>>>when GM
>>>converted it's cars from using V-8 engines (which are best balanced with
>>>a 90 degree configuration)
>>
>>Most V6s are 90 degrees, AFAIK.
>
>
> no there about 60 degrees or something close to this
No, they're not. 60 degrees is the optimal angle for balancing, but for
packaging reasons (i.e. not as tall) 90 degrees is much more common, at
least in American cars. The Audi/VW 2.8 V6 is 90 degrees, as are the
newer Audi V6 engines. I believe the Honda 3.0 and 3.5 V6es are also 90
degrees.
--
Mike Smith
> "Steve Grauman" <oneactor1@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:20040607002940.07360.00000633@mb-m03.aol.com...
>
>>>when GM
>>>converted it's cars from using V-8 engines (which are best balanced with
>>>a 90 degree configuration)
>>
>>Most V6s are 90 degrees, AFAIK.
>
>
> no there about 60 degrees or something close to this
No, they're not. 60 degrees is the optimal angle for balancing, but for
packaging reasons (i.e. not as tall) 90 degrees is much more common, at
least in American cars. The Audi/VW 2.8 V6 is 90 degrees, as are the
newer Audi V6 engines. I believe the Honda 3.0 and 3.5 V6es are also 90
degrees.
--
Mike Smith
#68
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: $74,000
Tha Ghee wrote:
> "Steve Grauman" <oneactor1@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:20040607002940.07360.00000633@mb-m03.aol.com...
>
>>>when GM
>>>converted it's cars from using V-8 engines (which are best balanced with
>>>a 90 degree configuration)
>>
>>Most V6s are 90 degrees, AFAIK.
>
>
> no there about 60 degrees or something close to this
No, they're not. 60 degrees is the optimal angle for balancing, but for
packaging reasons (i.e. not as tall) 90 degrees is much more common, at
least in American cars. The Audi/VW 2.8 V6 is 90 degrees, as are the
newer Audi V6 engines. I believe the Honda 3.0 and 3.5 V6es are also 90
degrees.
--
Mike Smith
> "Steve Grauman" <oneactor1@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:20040607002940.07360.00000633@mb-m03.aol.com...
>
>>>when GM
>>>converted it's cars from using V-8 engines (which are best balanced with
>>>a 90 degree configuration)
>>
>>Most V6s are 90 degrees, AFAIK.
>
>
> no there about 60 degrees or something close to this
No, they're not. 60 degrees is the optimal angle for balancing, but for
packaging reasons (i.e. not as tall) 90 degrees is much more common, at
least in American cars. The Audi/VW 2.8 V6 is 90 degrees, as are the
newer Audi V6 engines. I believe the Honda 3.0 and 3.5 V6es are also 90
degrees.
--
Mike Smith
#69
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: $74,000
>I certainly liked it in my LS2. I'd be curious, though, if the new 3.5L
>in the Malibu is better or not.
I couldn't say, but I can tell you that the 3.1 was crap. The L300's 3.0 litre
motor was/is a good one, albeit, a little more power would be nice. I always
thought the Catera had a pretty good engine too (another Opel design), but
apparently it suffered electrical problems.
>in the Malibu is better or not.
I couldn't say, but I can tell you that the 3.1 was crap. The L300's 3.0 litre
motor was/is a good one, albeit, a little more power would be nice. I always
thought the Catera had a pretty good engine too (another Opel design), but
apparently it suffered electrical problems.
#70
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: $74,000
>I certainly liked it in my LS2. I'd be curious, though, if the new 3.5L
>in the Malibu is better or not.
I couldn't say, but I can tell you that the 3.1 was crap. The L300's 3.0 litre
motor was/is a good one, albeit, a little more power would be nice. I always
thought the Catera had a pretty good engine too (another Opel design), but
apparently it suffered electrical problems.
>in the Malibu is better or not.
I couldn't say, but I can tell you that the 3.1 was crap. The L300's 3.0 litre
motor was/is a good one, albeit, a little more power would be nice. I always
thought the Catera had a pretty good engine too (another Opel design), but
apparently it suffered electrical problems.