Sports Sedan
#31
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Re: Sports Sedan
>It just amuses the hell out of me how the same troll keeps talking
>to himself using its different "personalities" to perpetuate its
>original nonsense. Just compare the headers, for laughs:
Have you done any furthur comparison? I'm now wondering if this person is also
"Tha Gee".
>to himself using its different "personalities" to perpetuate its
>original nonsense. Just compare the headers, for laughs:
Have you done any furthur comparison? I'm now wondering if this person is also
"Tha Gee".
#32
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Re: Sports Sedan
Best Sports Sedan?
Easy. RS6.
Second choice would be S4 4.2.
Third choice would be A6 4.2.
Dave
http://hometown.aol.com/davplac/myhomepage/index.html
Easy. RS6.
Second choice would be S4 4.2.
Third choice would be A6 4.2.
Dave
http://hometown.aol.com/davplac/myhomepage/index.html
#33
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Re: Sports Sedan
daytripper <day_trippr@REMOVEyahoo.com> wrote in message news:<9m6470tfciqk250nag0ktgpq2o68dg3m33@4ax.com>. ..
> On Mon, 5 Apr 2004 20:32:39 -0500, "ted neon" <bogusmobile@dodge.com> wrote:
>
> >Looking for a nice sports sedan. Considering a 540i, S4 or A6 2.7T, E430 or
> >an Impala SS. I know the Chevy probably has the best reliability and
> >quality and performance, but how do the others compare? Have they matched
> >chevy quality yet? thanks!
>
> <yawn>
>
> The best trolls have at least a tiny shred of plausibility...
But it does! I drove a Chevrolet Cavalier loaner on my last trip to
the US, and I have to say the build quality of that all-American car
outshone that of the overpriced, underpowered German. Just look at
the efficiency and design of the centre console - one single,
unpainted, plastic injection moulding all the way from the radio to
the ashtray for the rear seats! Guaranteed no squeaks. The
world-class 2.2 litre engine was also smooth and economical. I have
to say BMW has not routinely matched Chevrolet quality, probably
because it doesn't need to: the BMW is only sold in about four
markets, and the Impala in about 80.
Oh hang on, it's the other way around... damn!
> On Mon, 5 Apr 2004 20:32:39 -0500, "ted neon" <bogusmobile@dodge.com> wrote:
>
> >Looking for a nice sports sedan. Considering a 540i, S4 or A6 2.7T, E430 or
> >an Impala SS. I know the Chevy probably has the best reliability and
> >quality and performance, but how do the others compare? Have they matched
> >chevy quality yet? thanks!
>
> <yawn>
>
> The best trolls have at least a tiny shred of plausibility...
But it does! I drove a Chevrolet Cavalier loaner on my last trip to
the US, and I have to say the build quality of that all-American car
outshone that of the overpriced, underpowered German. Just look at
the efficiency and design of the centre console - one single,
unpainted, plastic injection moulding all the way from the radio to
the ashtray for the rear seats! Guaranteed no squeaks. The
world-class 2.2 litre engine was also smooth and economical. I have
to say BMW has not routinely matched Chevrolet quality, probably
because it doesn't need to: the BMW is only sold in about four
markets, and the Impala in about 80.
Oh hang on, it's the other way around... damn!
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Re: Sports Sedan
"Adam Schwartz" <MooFassa@nospam.com> wrote in message
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> In article <iu4970d3pb9sn2ar9eis9k3skqdl2fr9vn@4ax.com>,
> dizzy <dizzy@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>
> > On Tue, 6 Apr 2004 11:55:56 -0400, "Mike"
> > <mike.hall.mail@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> >
> > > LOL.. You have to laugh at all of the anti-german posts, both in here
and
> > >the re.autos.makers.chrysler newsgroup.. The rest of the world knows
that
> > >German stuff is pretty damn tough and generally of high quality, but US
> > >posters just can't except it..
> >
> > What do you expect, in a country where most people think GW Bush is
> > doing a good job?
>
> Wait a minute! If you remember correctly, based on numbers alone Al Gore
> won.. Yes its true.. Al Gore won the popular vote. But unfortunately,
> that wasnt good enough... GW still won the electoral college vote
>
> http://www.fec.gov/pages/ecmenu2.htm
>
> I for one was mad.
>
> In addition, GW's approval rating is falling.
>
> The original comment was a wise *** trying to get a rise just for fun of
> it...
>
> Oh well..
>
> -A
You're right of course.. just a troll.. but look how it has awakened
others..
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Re: Sports Sedan
Randy S. writes:
>Ha, if you want plenty of room, and near sports car handling, go buy a
>Porsche
>Cayenne S, or better yet the Cayenne Turbo.... 0-60 in 5.6 seconds, even
>though it weighs 5000 lbs.
I drove the Turbo for about an hour last October before I bought my RS6. It's
a great SUV with plenty of performance. A bit pricey, however. d;o)
Dave
http://hometown.aol.com/davplac/myhomepage/index.html
>Ha, if you want plenty of room, and near sports car handling, go buy a
>Porsche
>Cayenne S, or better yet the Cayenne Turbo.... 0-60 in 5.6 seconds, even
>though it weighs 5000 lbs.
I drove the Turbo for about an hour last October before I bought my RS6. It's
a great SUV with plenty of performance. A bit pricey, however. d;o)
Dave
http://hometown.aol.com/davplac/myhomepage/index.html
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Re: Sports Sedan
"Fred W." <Fred.Wills@allspam myrealbox.com> wrote in message news:<H_qdnUKec7c7uu7dRVn_iw@adelphia.com>...
> "Matt O'Toole" <matt@deltanet.com> wrote in message
> newsIAcc.4434$bd4.3784@nwrddc01.gnilink.net...
> > Rowan Smith wrote:
> >
> > > rofl.... ah, thats hilarious. 'chevy quality.....' dude, you need an
> > > HBO special.
> >
> > Dude, you need to read JD Power -- the Malibu has topped the quality
> charts for
> > the last several years.
>
> Matt,
>
> JD Powers is a POS marketing analysis company that measures results
> satisfaction from *sales* not quality of products. I mean. heck, the
> majoity of consumers don't know their @$$ from a hole in the ground when it
> comes to mechanical engineering quality. So as long as the *think* they got
> a great deal on their latest japmobile they are in heaven.
>
> In the future, try not to drag out JD Powers as proof of anything important.
For reasons I won't mention here (unless he wants me to), I think Matt
knows better. Otherwise, your response is the same as mine would be.
The JD Power survey of *initial* customer satisfaction asks people who
*bought them* if they're satisfied with their cars. Well, *duh*!
Your average GM customer seems to me to be a helluva lot more tolerant
of crappy quality than some of the typical
Audi/BMW/Benz/(fill-in-high-buck-car-here) whiners we see here. Not
that that's a good or bad thing, but it *does* skew the results. A
Chevy buyer will normally be satisfied if the dealership promptly
fixes things while a significant percentage of A-B-B-? buyers expect
their cars to be perfect and tolerate no less before complaining about
it - especially to JD Power.
In addition, damn few of them have ever actually bothered to *compare*
the different makes or they'd instantly realize (as I did when I sat
down in a 600-mile brand new Cavalier rental last year) that there are
*other* things in a car that constitute 'quality' than simply getting
one dependably from one place to another. *Comfort*, for one.
*Performance* for another. A couple of good reasons I'll buy BMWs old
enough to have their own driver's licenses. ;^)
--
C.R. Krieger
(More rust than that)
> "Matt O'Toole" <matt@deltanet.com> wrote in message
> newsIAcc.4434$bd4.3784@nwrddc01.gnilink.net...
> > Rowan Smith wrote:
> >
> > > rofl.... ah, thats hilarious. 'chevy quality.....' dude, you need an
> > > HBO special.
> >
> > Dude, you need to read JD Power -- the Malibu has topped the quality
> charts for
> > the last several years.
>
> Matt,
>
> JD Powers is a POS marketing analysis company that measures results
> satisfaction from *sales* not quality of products. I mean. heck, the
> majoity of consumers don't know their @$$ from a hole in the ground when it
> comes to mechanical engineering quality. So as long as the *think* they got
> a great deal on their latest japmobile they are in heaven.
>
> In the future, try not to drag out JD Powers as proof of anything important.
For reasons I won't mention here (unless he wants me to), I think Matt
knows better. Otherwise, your response is the same as mine would be.
The JD Power survey of *initial* customer satisfaction asks people who
*bought them* if they're satisfied with their cars. Well, *duh*!
Your average GM customer seems to me to be a helluva lot more tolerant
of crappy quality than some of the typical
Audi/BMW/Benz/(fill-in-high-buck-car-here) whiners we see here. Not
that that's a good or bad thing, but it *does* skew the results. A
Chevy buyer will normally be satisfied if the dealership promptly
fixes things while a significant percentage of A-B-B-? buyers expect
their cars to be perfect and tolerate no less before complaining about
it - especially to JD Power.
In addition, damn few of them have ever actually bothered to *compare*
the different makes or they'd instantly realize (as I did when I sat
down in a 600-mile brand new Cavalier rental last year) that there are
*other* things in a car that constitute 'quality' than simply getting
one dependably from one place to another. *Comfort*, for one.
*Performance* for another. A couple of good reasons I'll buy BMWs old
enough to have their own driver's licenses. ;^)
--
C.R. Krieger
(More rust than that)
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Re: Sports Sedan
"C.R. Krieger" <warp2_shadow@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> >
> > JD Powers is a POS marketing analysis company that measures results
> > satisfaction from *sales* not quality of products. I mean. heck, the
> > majoity of consumers don't know their @$$ from a hole in the ground when
it
> > comes to mechanical engineering quality. So as long as the *think* they
got
> > a great deal on their latest japmobile they are in heaven.
> >
> > In the future, try not to drag out JD Powers as proof of anything
important.
>
> For reasons I won't mention here (unless he wants me to), I think Matt
> knows better. Otherwise, your response is the same as mine would be.
> The JD Power survey of *initial* customer satisfaction asks people who
> *bought them* if they're satisfied with their cars. Well, *duh*!
JD offers multiple surveys, only one of them is the initial quallity survey.
They also have a dependability survey and GM does rather well there as well.
I do not work for JD (nor have I ever worked with them), but as someone that
works in the data analysis industry, they are respected and their survey
methods are scientific and proper. I have noticed that whenever someone is
unhappy about the results of their "favorite" in a survey Mark Twain's
"lies" quote (or a variation thereoff) comes out.
Before someone gets too excited, I do not own a GM vehicle, the closest I
ever got to one was when I had a GM engine in an AMC Jeep. Like it or not,
GM has consistently got good results in JD and other surveys - I would argue
that this is proof enough that their build quality is competitive in the
industry and not the joke people try to make.
IIRC, when Japanese cars got the good results in the 70's and 80's - the
same attitude was relevant against their quality because of previous
results. I guess that there is always a lag between quality and percieved
quality.
>
> Your average GM customer seems to me to be a helluva lot more tolerant
> of crappy quality than some of the typical
> Audi/BMW/Benz/(fill-in-high-buck-car-here) whiners we see here. Not
> that that's a good or bad thing, but it *does* skew the results. A
> Chevy buyer will normally be satisfied if the dealership promptly
> fixes things while a significant percentage of A-B-B-? buyers expect
> their cars to be perfect and tolerate no less before complaining about
> it - especially to JD Power.
Unless you can provide a scientific study that proves this, it is nothing
more than a theory. I would argue that the percieved value for purchase
price might skew the results somewhat, but scientific surveys that use
proven statistical tools always provide a margin of error and a degree of
confidence in the results. From what I have seen about the JD dependability
surveys, they are using the same standards used in the industry for non
critical applications.
Ron.
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Re: Sports Sedan
On 7 Apr 2004 04:41:28 -0700, andrewj_nospamthomas@yahoo.com.au
(Andrew Thomas) wrote:
>I drove a Chevrolet Cavalier
When car enthusiasts go to hell, they are given a Cavalier to drive.
(Andrew Thomas) wrote:
>I drove a Chevrolet Cavalier
When car enthusiasts go to hell, they are given a Cavalier to drive.
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Re: Sports Sedan
On Tue, 6 Apr 2004 11:55:56 -0400, "Mike"
<mike.hall.mail@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> LOL.. You have to laugh at all of the anti-german posts, both in here and
>the re.autos.makers.chrysler newsgroup.. The rest of the world knows that
>German stuff is pretty damn tough and generally of high quality, but US
>posters just can't except it..
What do you expect, in a country where most people think GW Bush is
doing a good job?
<mike.hall.mail@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> LOL.. You have to laugh at all of the anti-german posts, both in here and
>the re.autos.makers.chrysler newsgroup.. The rest of the world knows that
>German stuff is pretty damn tough and generally of high quality, but US
>posters just can't except it..
What do you expect, in a country where most people think GW Bush is
doing a good job?