Sports Sedan
#21
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Re: Sports Sedan
>Dude, you need to read JD Power -- the Malibu has topped the quality charts
>for
>the last several years.
I find this hard to believe since the near-new rental I had seemed like it was
falling apart. Beyond that, the Cavalier is one of the worst cars in it's class
on a consistant basis, and I know someone who's 96 Impala SS nearly came apart
at the joints. Add to the cheap interiors, lifeless drive qualities and usually
sub-par perfomance and you've got a formula for disaster. The V8 powered Impala
couldn't break 7.5 seconds to 60 MPH, long gone are the days of 13 second SSs'
from starught off the factory floor. Besides, the Malibu hardly qualifies as a
sports sedan. I guess next you're gonna try to tell me that the Bonneville SSEi
and Impala/Monte carlo SS are class-leading sports sedans, right?
>for
>the last several years.
I find this hard to believe since the near-new rental I had seemed like it was
falling apart. Beyond that, the Cavalier is one of the worst cars in it's class
on a consistant basis, and I know someone who's 96 Impala SS nearly came apart
at the joints. Add to the cheap interiors, lifeless drive qualities and usually
sub-par perfomance and you've got a formula for disaster. The V8 powered Impala
couldn't break 7.5 seconds to 60 MPH, long gone are the days of 13 second SSs'
from starught off the factory floor. Besides, the Malibu hardly qualifies as a
sports sedan. I guess next you're gonna try to tell me that the Bonneville SSEi
and Impala/Monte carlo SS are class-leading sports sedans, right?
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>S4 - not sporty enough. I'd suggest an older mint condition used S70R.
>540i - get a M3 instead. No brainer
You reccomend an M3 and an S70R over the S4? Are you serious? And you don't
think the S4 is sporty? The S70R is a nice car, but Volvo wants to much money
for it. The S4 carries about the same price, has better performance and a nicer
interior. Not to mention the fact that the outgoing C70 and the current S80
have had numerous reliability problems, Volvo isn't the company they used to
be. The S4 is a better buy than the M3, hands down. It loses (by .02) to 60 MPH
from a dead stop, but it has a better interior (especially the front seats),
more amneities, rear doors, AWD and better track performance, period.
>A6 - *try* to get any work on the engine without removing it. This
> killed it on my list.
The A6 is a great car. But the new 2.7T S-Line isn't cheap and the 3.0 isn't
avaliable with a much needed manual tranny. If you're really interested, wait
till the new ones are out.
>The E430 - too pricey.
>
Not really very "sporty" either. The 5 series and the A6 2.7T S-Line both have
it beat for sporty driving. It is the most "prestigious" though.
>Want real sporty? The IS300
The IS300 has great handling but a very cramped interior, a slight lack of
low-end torque and a much slower 0-60 time. An A4 3.0 Quattro with the 6-speed
will pull of 0-60 in 6.6 once it's been broken in, and you get AWD to boot.
>540i - get a M3 instead. No brainer
You reccomend an M3 and an S70R over the S4? Are you serious? And you don't
think the S4 is sporty? The S70R is a nice car, but Volvo wants to much money
for it. The S4 carries about the same price, has better performance and a nicer
interior. Not to mention the fact that the outgoing C70 and the current S80
have had numerous reliability problems, Volvo isn't the company they used to
be. The S4 is a better buy than the M3, hands down. It loses (by .02) to 60 MPH
from a dead stop, but it has a better interior (especially the front seats),
more amneities, rear doors, AWD and better track performance, period.
>A6 - *try* to get any work on the engine without removing it. This
> killed it on my list.
The A6 is a great car. But the new 2.7T S-Line isn't cheap and the 3.0 isn't
avaliable with a much needed manual tranny. If you're really interested, wait
till the new ones are out.
>The E430 - too pricey.
>
Not really very "sporty" either. The 5 series and the A6 2.7T S-Line both have
it beat for sporty driving. It is the most "prestigious" though.
>Want real sporty? The IS300
The IS300 has great handling but a very cramped interior, a slight lack of
low-end torque and a much slower 0-60 time. An A4 3.0 Quattro with the 6-speed
will pull of 0-60 in 6.6 once it's been broken in, and you get AWD to boot.
#23
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Matched Chevy's quality? That would be a giant leap backwards for most, if
not all, of the models you listed.
"ted neon" <bogusmobile@dodge.com> wrote in message
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> Looking for a nice sports sedan. Considering a 540i, S4 or A6 2.7T, E430
or
> an Impala SS. I know the Chevy probably has the best reliability and
> quality and performance, but how do the others compare? Have they matched
> chevy quality yet? thanks!
>
>
>
not all, of the models you listed.
"ted neon" <bogusmobile@dodge.com> wrote in message
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> Looking for a nice sports sedan. Considering a 540i, S4 or A6 2.7T, E430
or
> an Impala SS. I know the Chevy probably has the best reliability and
> quality and performance, but how do the others compare? Have they matched
> chevy quality yet? thanks!
>
>
>
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> That must have been in the late 70's or early 80's
> when G.M. really had their quality at a high
> level that set the bar for all other auto makers.
> Right?
>
That's a joke, right?
I once owned an '85 Chevy that was hands-down the very worst car I have ever
owned. I drove an early '70s Pinto company car that was better than my
mid-size Chevy. I bought an '82 Honda Accord that could literally blow the
doors off my High Output Chevy V6. The Honda was both quicker and had a
better top end. And, it could get out of its own way, an attribute not
shared by my Chevy.
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"Mike" <mike.hall.mail@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
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> "Bernard Farquart" <bfarquart@notmyemail.net> wrote in message
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> >
> > "ted neon" <bogusmobile@dodge.com> wrote in message
> > news:c4tas8$kk9$1@ngspool-d02.news.aol.com...
> > >
> > > "Jim" <jv9999@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:VIENF246FE76@vienneau.net...
> > > > ted neon wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Looking for a nice sports sedan. Considering a 540i, S4 or A6
2.7T,
> > > E430 or
> > > > > an Impala SS. I know the Chevy probably has the best
reliability
> > and
> > > > > quality and performance, but how do the others compare? Have they
> > > matched
> > > > > chevy quality yet? thanks!
> > > >
> > > > It's not nice to troll with such a large distribution...
> > >
> > > i'm not...
> > >
> > > just had good experience with chevy before, and bad with MB and
> > BMW...years
> > > ago
> >
> > That must have been in the late 70's or early 80's
> > when G.M. really had their quality at a high
> > level that set the bar for all other auto makers.
> > Right?
> >
> > The German auto makers have never been
> > able to match the unparalleled build quality
> > that came out of Detroit during this "golden"
> > era, so the original post makes perfect sense.
> >
> > Troll
> >
> LOL.. You have to laugh at all of the anti-german posts, both in here and
> the re.autos.makers.chrysler newsgroup.. The rest of the world knows that
> German stuff is pretty damn tough and generally of high quality, but US
> posters just can't except it.. the joke is on them, however.. the main gun
> on the front of an Abrams M1E1 is of German descent.. ref.
> http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/120.htm.. quote from that site..
> "The 120mm smooth bore cannon system was developed by West Germany for the
> Leopard II tank. The ammunition produced by both countries is
interoperable
> and interchangeable between the Abrams and the Leopard, thus ensuring
> maximum commonality within the NATO community.".. Deutschland Uber Alles..
> lololololol
>
>
kinda ot here too, but what about the porsche improved harley v-rod engine?
news:mqAcc.4500$BF2.562248@news20.bellglobal.com.. .
>
> "Bernard Farquart" <bfarquart@notmyemail.net> wrote in message
> news:j9zcc.4129$bd4.1528@nwrddc01.gnilink.net...
> >
> > "ted neon" <bogusmobile@dodge.com> wrote in message
> > news:c4tas8$kk9$1@ngspool-d02.news.aol.com...
> > >
> > > "Jim" <jv9999@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:VIENF246FE76@vienneau.net...
> > > > ted neon wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Looking for a nice sports sedan. Considering a 540i, S4 or A6
2.7T,
> > > E430 or
> > > > > an Impala SS. I know the Chevy probably has the best
reliability
> > and
> > > > > quality and performance, but how do the others compare? Have they
> > > matched
> > > > > chevy quality yet? thanks!
> > > >
> > > > It's not nice to troll with such a large distribution...
> > >
> > > i'm not...
> > >
> > > just had good experience with chevy before, and bad with MB and
> > BMW...years
> > > ago
> >
> > That must have been in the late 70's or early 80's
> > when G.M. really had their quality at a high
> > level that set the bar for all other auto makers.
> > Right?
> >
> > The German auto makers have never been
> > able to match the unparalleled build quality
> > that came out of Detroit during this "golden"
> > era, so the original post makes perfect sense.
> >
> > Troll
> >
> LOL.. You have to laugh at all of the anti-german posts, both in here and
> the re.autos.makers.chrysler newsgroup.. The rest of the world knows that
> German stuff is pretty damn tough and generally of high quality, but US
> posters just can't except it.. the joke is on them, however.. the main gun
> on the front of an Abrams M1E1 is of German descent.. ref.
> http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/120.htm.. quote from that site..
> "The 120mm smooth bore cannon system was developed by West Germany for the
> Leopard II tank. The ammunition produced by both countries is
interoperable
> and interchangeable between the Abrams and the Leopard, thus ensuring
> maximum commonality within the NATO community.".. Deutschland Uber Alles..
> lololololol
>
>
kinda ot here too, but what about the porsche improved harley v-rod engine?
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"ted neon" <bogusmobile@dodge.com> wrote in message
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> Looking for a nice sports sedan. Considering a 540i, S4 or A6 2.7T, E430
or
> an Impala SS. I know the Chevy probably has the best reliability and
> quality and performance, but how do the others compare? Have they matched
> chevy quality yet? thanks!
chevy...for a bargin price you can get an old school impala SS with the
corvette engine. it will last you 300k, never break and blow the doors off
the euro cars listed. i have one and its much better than the bmw 540i my
coworker has, smoother, more torque and will throw you back into your seat
like the space shuttle. i owned a mercedes e320 shortly and i was
dissopointed in the performance and quality, i'll go with the impala ss
anyday over that...its a real drivers car.
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> "ted neon" <bogusmobile@dodge.com> wrote in message
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> > [...]
It just amuses the hell out of me how the same troll keeps talking
to himself using its different "personalities" to perpetuate its
original nonsense. Just compare the headers, for laughs:
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> "ted neon" <bogusmobile@dodge.com> wrote in message
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> > [...]
It just amuses the hell out of me how the same troll keeps talking
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original nonsense. Just compare the headers, for laughs:
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In article <qrtcc.16999$Dv2.8266@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink .net>,
Joseph Oberlander <josephoberlander@earthlink.net> wrote:
> ted neon wrote:
>
> > Looking for a nice sports sedan. Considering a 540i, S4 or A6 2.7T, E430 or
> > an Impala SS. I know the Chevy probably has the best reliability and
> > quality and performance, but how do the others compare? Have they matched
> > chevy quality yet? thanks!
>
> S4 - not sporty enough. I'd suggest an older mint condition used S70R.
> 540i - get a M3 instead. No brainer.
> A6 - *try* to get any work on the engine without removing it. This
> killed it on my list.
> The E430 - too pricey.
>
> Want real sporty? The IS300 and M3 are pretty much it. Inline 6,
> RWD, and manual(real with a clutch and linkage - no computers)
> transmission.
>
This is a pretty funny thread... But just wanted to add to the comments
on S4- not sporty enough... Thats just silly! If we are talking about
the new one.. Um. NO. If we are talking about the 2000-2002 model.. Um.
NO. Best thing about the turbo ones, is cheap and easy to modify. Loads
of performance in there....
Cheers,
Adam
Joseph Oberlander <josephoberlander@earthlink.net> wrote:
> ted neon wrote:
>
> > Looking for a nice sports sedan. Considering a 540i, S4 or A6 2.7T, E430 or
> > an Impala SS. I know the Chevy probably has the best reliability and
> > quality and performance, but how do the others compare? Have they matched
> > chevy quality yet? thanks!
>
> S4 - not sporty enough. I'd suggest an older mint condition used S70R.
> 540i - get a M3 instead. No brainer.
> A6 - *try* to get any work on the engine without removing it. This
> killed it on my list.
> The E430 - too pricey.
>
> Want real sporty? The IS300 and M3 are pretty much it. Inline 6,
> RWD, and manual(real with a clutch and linkage - no computers)
> transmission.
>
This is a pretty funny thread... But just wanted to add to the comments
on S4- not sporty enough... Thats just silly! If we are talking about
the new one.. Um. NO. If we are talking about the 2000-2002 model.. Um.
NO. Best thing about the turbo ones, is cheap and easy to modify. Loads
of performance in there....
Cheers,
Adam
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"Jeff Strickland" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> > That must have been in the late 70's or early 80's
> > when G.M. really had their quality at a high
> > level that set the bar for all other auto makers.
> > Right?
> >
>
> That's a joke, right?
Yes
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> old school impala SS with the
>corvette engine. it will last you 300k, never break and blow the doors off
>the euro cars listed.
Whaaaaaaaaat?? Ha! The Impala SS of the early and mid 1990s couldn't break 7.5
seconds to 60 mph! A 1.8T Quattro A4 with the 5-speed could or at least could
very nearly match the Impala's 0-60 numbers and blow it away around a track!
> i have one and its much better than the bmw 540i my
>coworker has, smoother, more torque and will throw you back into your seat
>like the space shuttle.
Look, I've got a bunch of funky cars on my list of favorites, and I'm all for
sleeper effect. But there's honestly something wrong if you really like the
Impala as an overall car more than a 540i. Is there such thing as an aotomotive
therapist? You must have had a bad childhood experience with a BMW...
>i owned a mercedes e320 shortly and i was
>dissopointed in the performance
Well, yea. The E is/was a heavy car and much like the 525, is really only there
so people who can't afford the V8 can still get a mid-size car with the
prestigious brand name glued on. Hell Audi makes a 1.8T version of the A6 for
Europe, nice car - shitty performance. If you'd ever driven an E430 (or the new
E500) of the E55 you'd know it'll crush an Impala.
>i'll go with the impala ss
>anyday over that...its a real drivers car.
>
Are you serious? The Impala is a "real driver's car" but a 540i isn't? Houston,
we have a problem....
>corvette engine. it will last you 300k, never break and blow the doors off
>the euro cars listed.
Whaaaaaaaaat?? Ha! The Impala SS of the early and mid 1990s couldn't break 7.5
seconds to 60 mph! A 1.8T Quattro A4 with the 5-speed could or at least could
very nearly match the Impala's 0-60 numbers and blow it away around a track!
> i have one and its much better than the bmw 540i my
>coworker has, smoother, more torque and will throw you back into your seat
>like the space shuttle.
Look, I've got a bunch of funky cars on my list of favorites, and I'm all for
sleeper effect. But there's honestly something wrong if you really like the
Impala as an overall car more than a 540i. Is there such thing as an aotomotive
therapist? You must have had a bad childhood experience with a BMW...
>i owned a mercedes e320 shortly and i was
>dissopointed in the performance
Well, yea. The E is/was a heavy car and much like the 525, is really only there
so people who can't afford the V8 can still get a mid-size car with the
prestigious brand name glued on. Hell Audi makes a 1.8T version of the A6 for
Europe, nice car - shitty performance. If you'd ever driven an E430 (or the new
E500) of the E55 you'd know it'll crush an Impala.
>i'll go with the impala ss
>anyday over that...its a real drivers car.
>
Are you serious? The Impala is a "real driver's car" but a 540i isn't? Houston,
we have a problem....