So much for EDL!!
04-06-2005, 06:16 AM
#51
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Re: So much for EDL!!
Thank you for your answer Wolfgang. I am always pleased to read your highly
instructive postings.
I'll try that as soon as I get the occasion to.
Cheers,
JP Roberts
"Wolfgang Pawlinetz" <mille@afm.at> escribió en el mensaje
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> JP Roberts wrote:
>
>>Or you might be successful in transferring more torque to the front
>>"sadly"
>>spinning wheel only? I have always read that the result of applying a
>>braking force to a wheel on a given axle will translate into more torque
>>being transferred to the wheel opposite on that same axle, but not being
>>knowledgeable about diffs or how they work I still fail to see that. And
>>in
>>the best of cases I would have grip on only 2 out of four wheels, not
>>three - remember it was both right wheels that were spinning out of grip.
>>I'm not saying you aren't right as I have not tried this but can you
>>clarify
>>your reasoning?
>
> I was basically transfering my experience with RWD and handbrakes to
> AWD. By using the handbrakes you could get some grip on the gripping
> side of the car.
>
> I would just try it, I didn't have time to think it through completely
> for AWD (hence the long time until I replied) but my gut feeling is
> that you'd be having some grip on one axle. Maybe enough to get you
> going. If the middle differential is working, you could really end up
> spinning the remaining free whell even faster. But I'd be curious what
> it does in reality.
>
> I truly think quattro is not a substitue for an all terrain vehicle
> AWD with difflocks et all.
>
>
> Regards
>
> Wolfgang
>
> --
> 1999 Audi A6 Avant TDI
instructive postings.
I'll try that as soon as I get the occasion to.
Cheers,
JP Roberts
"Wolfgang Pawlinetz" <mille@afm.at> escribió en el mensaje
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> JP Roberts wrote:
>
>>Or you might be successful in transferring more torque to the front
>>"sadly"
>>spinning wheel only? I have always read that the result of applying a
>>braking force to a wheel on a given axle will translate into more torque
>>being transferred to the wheel opposite on that same axle, but not being
>>knowledgeable about diffs or how they work I still fail to see that. And
>>in
>>the best of cases I would have grip on only 2 out of four wheels, not
>>three - remember it was both right wheels that were spinning out of grip.
>>I'm not saying you aren't right as I have not tried this but can you
>>clarify
>>your reasoning?
>
> I was basically transfering my experience with RWD and handbrakes to
> AWD. By using the handbrakes you could get some grip on the gripping
> side of the car.
>
> I would just try it, I didn't have time to think it through completely
> for AWD (hence the long time until I replied) but my gut feeling is
> that you'd be having some grip on one axle. Maybe enough to get you
> going. If the middle differential is working, you could really end up
> spinning the remaining free whell even faster. But I'd be curious what
> it does in reality.
>
> I truly think quattro is not a substitue for an all terrain vehicle
> AWD with difflocks et all.
>
>
> Regards
>
> Wolfgang
>
> --
> 1999 Audi A6 Avant TDI
04-06-2005, 06:16 AM
#52
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Re: So much for EDL!!
Thank you for your answer Wolfgang. I am always pleased to read your highly
instructive postings.
I'll try that as soon as I get the occasion to.
Cheers,
JP Roberts
"Wolfgang Pawlinetz" <mille@afm.at> escribió en el mensaje
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> JP Roberts wrote:
>
>>Or you might be successful in transferring more torque to the front
>>"sadly"
>>spinning wheel only? I have always read that the result of applying a
>>braking force to a wheel on a given axle will translate into more torque
>>being transferred to the wheel opposite on that same axle, but not being
>>knowledgeable about diffs or how they work I still fail to see that. And
>>in
>>the best of cases I would have grip on only 2 out of four wheels, not
>>three - remember it was both right wheels that were spinning out of grip.
>>I'm not saying you aren't right as I have not tried this but can you
>>clarify
>>your reasoning?
>
> I was basically transfering my experience with RWD and handbrakes to
> AWD. By using the handbrakes you could get some grip on the gripping
> side of the car.
>
> I would just try it, I didn't have time to think it through completely
> for AWD (hence the long time until I replied) but my gut feeling is
> that you'd be having some grip on one axle. Maybe enough to get you
> going. If the middle differential is working, you could really end up
> spinning the remaining free whell even faster. But I'd be curious what
> it does in reality.
>
> I truly think quattro is not a substitue for an all terrain vehicle
> AWD with difflocks et all.
>
>
> Regards
>
> Wolfgang
>
> --
> 1999 Audi A6 Avant TDI
instructive postings.
I'll try that as soon as I get the occasion to.
Cheers,
JP Roberts
"Wolfgang Pawlinetz" <mille@afm.at> escribió en el mensaje
news:hjs551d9sbtl29vgv57994cgqrr13t5fpl@4ax.com...
> JP Roberts wrote:
>
>>Or you might be successful in transferring more torque to the front
>>"sadly"
>>spinning wheel only? I have always read that the result of applying a
>>braking force to a wheel on a given axle will translate into more torque
>>being transferred to the wheel opposite on that same axle, but not being
>>knowledgeable about diffs or how they work I still fail to see that. And
>>in
>>the best of cases I would have grip on only 2 out of four wheels, not
>>three - remember it was both right wheels that were spinning out of grip.
>>I'm not saying you aren't right as I have not tried this but can you
>>clarify
>>your reasoning?
>
> I was basically transfering my experience with RWD and handbrakes to
> AWD. By using the handbrakes you could get some grip on the gripping
> side of the car.
>
> I would just try it, I didn't have time to think it through completely
> for AWD (hence the long time until I replied) but my gut feeling is
> that you'd be having some grip on one axle. Maybe enough to get you
> going. If the middle differential is working, you could really end up
> spinning the remaining free whell even faster. But I'd be curious what
> it does in reality.
>
> I truly think quattro is not a substitue for an all terrain vehicle
> AWD with difflocks et all.
>
>
> Regards
>
> Wolfgang
>
> --
> 1999 Audi A6 Avant TDI
04-08-2005, 06:01 AM
#53
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Re: So much for EDL!!
JP
pls try same again in better conditions and report progress?
I'm interested as ordering A4 3.0TDi Quattro having had 4 years of Merc
ML. I need to set some parameters for "on-road awd" versus what i can do
now with "off-road 4-wd". Understand they will be different of course.
pls try same again in better conditions and report progress?
I'm interested as ordering A4 3.0TDi Quattro having had 4 years of Merc
ML. I need to set some parameters for "on-road awd" versus what i can do
now with "off-road 4-wd". Understand they will be different of course.
04-08-2005, 06:01 AM
#54
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Re: So much for EDL!!
JP
pls try same again in better conditions and report progress?
I'm interested as ordering A4 3.0TDi Quattro having had 4 years of Merc
ML. I need to set some parameters for "on-road awd" versus what i can do
now with "off-road 4-wd". Understand they will be different of course.
pls try same again in better conditions and report progress?
I'm interested as ordering A4 3.0TDi Quattro having had 4 years of Merc
ML. I need to set some parameters for "on-road awd" versus what i can do
now with "off-road 4-wd". Understand they will be different of course.
04-08-2005, 06:01 AM
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Re: So much for EDL!!
JP
pls try same again in better conditions and report progress?
I'm interested as ordering A4 3.0TDi Quattro having had 4 years of Merc
ML. I need to set some parameters for "on-road awd" versus what i can do
now with "off-road 4-wd". Understand they will be different of course.
pls try same again in better conditions and report progress?
I'm interested as ordering A4 3.0TDi Quattro having had 4 years of Merc
ML. I need to set some parameters for "on-road awd" versus what i can do
now with "off-road 4-wd". Understand they will be different of course.
04-21-2005, 09:31 AM
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Re: So much for EDL!!
charles blassberg wrote:
> JP
>
> pls try same again in better conditions and report progress?
>
> I'm interested as ordering A4 3.0TDi Quattro having had 4 years of Merc
> ML. I need to set some parameters for "on-road awd" versus what i can do
> now with "off-road 4-wd". Understand they will be different of course.
I read from an A4 cabrio quattro manual that....
To prevent the disc brake of the braked wheel from overheating, the EDL
cuts out automatically if subjected to excessive loads. The car remains
operational and will behave in the same way as a car without EDL.
EDL will switch on again automatically when the brake cools down
> JP
>
> pls try same again in better conditions and report progress?
>
> I'm interested as ordering A4 3.0TDi Quattro having had 4 years of Merc
> ML. I need to set some parameters for "on-road awd" versus what i can do
> now with "off-road 4-wd". Understand they will be different of course.
I read from an A4 cabrio quattro manual that....
To prevent the disc brake of the braked wheel from overheating, the EDL
cuts out automatically if subjected to excessive loads. The car remains
operational and will behave in the same way as a car without EDL.
EDL will switch on again automatically when the brake cools down
04-21-2005, 09:31 AM
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Re: So much for EDL!!
charles blassberg wrote:
> JP
>
> pls try same again in better conditions and report progress?
>
> I'm interested as ordering A4 3.0TDi Quattro having had 4 years of Merc
> ML. I need to set some parameters for "on-road awd" versus what i can do
> now with "off-road 4-wd". Understand they will be different of course.
I read from an A4 cabrio quattro manual that....
To prevent the disc brake of the braked wheel from overheating, the EDL
cuts out automatically if subjected to excessive loads. The car remains
operational and will behave in the same way as a car without EDL.
EDL will switch on again automatically when the brake cools down
> JP
>
> pls try same again in better conditions and report progress?
>
> I'm interested as ordering A4 3.0TDi Quattro having had 4 years of Merc
> ML. I need to set some parameters for "on-road awd" versus what i can do
> now with "off-road 4-wd". Understand they will be different of course.
I read from an A4 cabrio quattro manual that....
To prevent the disc brake of the braked wheel from overheating, the EDL
cuts out automatically if subjected to excessive loads. The car remains
operational and will behave in the same way as a car without EDL.
EDL will switch on again automatically when the brake cools down
04-21-2005, 09:31 AM
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Re: So much for EDL!!
charles blassberg wrote:
> JP
>
> pls try same again in better conditions and report progress?
>
> I'm interested as ordering A4 3.0TDi Quattro having had 4 years of Merc
> ML. I need to set some parameters for "on-road awd" versus what i can do
> now with "off-road 4-wd". Understand they will be different of course.
I read from an A4 cabrio quattro manual that....
To prevent the disc brake of the braked wheel from overheating, the EDL
cuts out automatically if subjected to excessive loads. The car remains
operational and will behave in the same way as a car without EDL.
EDL will switch on again automatically when the brake cools down
> JP
>
> pls try same again in better conditions and report progress?
>
> I'm interested as ordering A4 3.0TDi Quattro having had 4 years of Merc
> ML. I need to set some parameters for "on-road awd" versus what i can do
> now with "off-road 4-wd". Understand they will be different of course.
I read from an A4 cabrio quattro manual that....
To prevent the disc brake of the braked wheel from overheating, the EDL
cuts out automatically if subjected to excessive loads. The car remains
operational and will behave in the same way as a car without EDL.
EDL will switch on again automatically when the brake cools down
04-21-2005, 03:02 PM
#59
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Re: So much for EDL!!
Charles, I still haven't been able to go back to the same spot for testing.
Don't think I've dropped your request.
In my case I'm positive the system had not overheated because the other two
cars had been sitting in the lot for more than 3 hours. So the disks were as
cool as a cucumber, though I did not check their temperature after the test.
Anyway, the 3.0TDI seems to be a hell of an engine, and it certainly does
also offer considerable tuning potential - main stream tuners offer between
275 and 300 PS for this engine, though you'd be well advised to check the
price of turbo replacements if you're planning to go this route.
"charles blassberg" <blassberg@email.com> escribió en el mensaje
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> charles blassberg wrote:
>> JP
>>
>> pls try same again in better conditions and report progress?
>>
>> I'm interested as ordering A4 3.0TDi Quattro having had 4 years of Merc
>> ML. I need to set some parameters for "on-road awd" versus what i can do
>> now with "off-road 4-wd". Understand they will be different of course.
>
> I read from an A4 cabrio quattro manual that....
>
> To prevent the disc brake of the braked wheel from overheating, the EDL
> cuts out automatically if subjected to excessive loads. The car remains
> operational and will behave in the same way as a car without EDL.
>
> EDL will switch on again automatically when the brake cools down
Don't think I've dropped your request.
In my case I'm positive the system had not overheated because the other two
cars had been sitting in the lot for more than 3 hours. So the disks were as
cool as a cucumber, though I did not check their temperature after the test.
Anyway, the 3.0TDI seems to be a hell of an engine, and it certainly does
also offer considerable tuning potential - main stream tuners offer between
275 and 300 PS for this engine, though you'd be well advised to check the
price of turbo replacements if you're planning to go this route.
"charles blassberg" <blassberg@email.com> escribió en el mensaje
news:3cprp7F6oj9dvU1@individual.net...
> charles blassberg wrote:
>> JP
>>
>> pls try same again in better conditions and report progress?
>>
>> I'm interested as ordering A4 3.0TDi Quattro having had 4 years of Merc
>> ML. I need to set some parameters for "on-road awd" versus what i can do
>> now with "off-road 4-wd". Understand they will be different of course.
>
> I read from an A4 cabrio quattro manual that....
>
> To prevent the disc brake of the braked wheel from overheating, the EDL
> cuts out automatically if subjected to excessive loads. The car remains
> operational and will behave in the same way as a car without EDL.
>
> EDL will switch on again automatically when the brake cools down
04-21-2005, 03:02 PM
#60
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Re: So much for EDL!!
Charles, I still haven't been able to go back to the same spot for testing.
Don't think I've dropped your request.
In my case I'm positive the system had not overheated because the other two
cars had been sitting in the lot for more than 3 hours. So the disks were as
cool as a cucumber, though I did not check their temperature after the test.
Anyway, the 3.0TDI seems to be a hell of an engine, and it certainly does
also offer considerable tuning potential - main stream tuners offer between
275 and 300 PS for this engine, though you'd be well advised to check the
price of turbo replacements if you're planning to go this route.
"charles blassberg" <blassberg@email.com> escribió en el mensaje
news:3cprp7F6oj9dvU1@individual.net...
> charles blassberg wrote:
>> JP
>>
>> pls try same again in better conditions and report progress?
>>
>> I'm interested as ordering A4 3.0TDi Quattro having had 4 years of Merc
>> ML. I need to set some parameters for "on-road awd" versus what i can do
>> now with "off-road 4-wd". Understand they will be different of course.
>
> I read from an A4 cabrio quattro manual that....
>
> To prevent the disc brake of the braked wheel from overheating, the EDL
> cuts out automatically if subjected to excessive loads. The car remains
> operational and will behave in the same way as a car without EDL.
>
> EDL will switch on again automatically when the brake cools down
Don't think I've dropped your request.
In my case I'm positive the system had not overheated because the other two
cars had been sitting in the lot for more than 3 hours. So the disks were as
cool as a cucumber, though I did not check their temperature after the test.
Anyway, the 3.0TDI seems to be a hell of an engine, and it certainly does
also offer considerable tuning potential - main stream tuners offer between
275 and 300 PS for this engine, though you'd be well advised to check the
price of turbo replacements if you're planning to go this route.
"charles blassberg" <blassberg@email.com> escribió en el mensaje
news:3cprp7F6oj9dvU1@individual.net...
> charles blassberg wrote:
>> JP
>>
>> pls try same again in better conditions and report progress?
>>
>> I'm interested as ordering A4 3.0TDi Quattro having had 4 years of Merc
>> ML. I need to set some parameters for "on-road awd" versus what i can do
>> now with "off-road 4-wd". Understand they will be different of course.
>
> I read from an A4 cabrio quattro manual that....
>
> To prevent the disc brake of the braked wheel from overheating, the EDL
> cuts out automatically if subjected to excessive loads. The car remains
> operational and will behave in the same way as a car without EDL.
>
> EDL will switch on again automatically when the brake cools down
