So much for EDL!!
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So much for EDL!!
It so happened that as I got to the restaurant of my choice yesterday the
car park was full and so I decided I would make full use of Quattro to park
by driving up onto a slope (about 12% steep) with only the two right wheels
onto a grass fringe (wet with hail from a recent storm) while keeping the
two left wheels on the road's tarmac. I was pretty confident Quattro would
have no problem in driving up along the fringe for about 4 m so that the car
was out of anyone's way. Well, I was totally disappointed to get a bitter
taste of the old days when we used to get stuck without Quattro. Still
refusing to believe this, I got out to check that there was enough clearance
all the way up and there certainly was. Then I made sure the car did not
nosedive into the fringe. Everything was OK but the car still refused to
start off uphill. My only resort was to shily reverse onto the tarmac and
try to find a more traditional parking space.
I was taken aback in such a way that on coming out of the family reunion
meal I asked both my father in his A6 2.5TDI Q and my brother-in-law in his
02 A4 1.8T Q (on winter tyres) to try the experiment, as they were telling
me it must have been a case of my EDL not working properly. Well, they got
the same identic result: the front right and rear right wheels kept spinning
to no avail while the other two did not move an inch.
My conclusion is that while Torsen works flawlessly, EDL (Electronic
Differential Lock) is no less than a big fiasco, at least when there is a
big difference in terms of surface friction coeficient between the two sides
of the car alongside.
I remember reading once that Jeep's Quadradrive and BMWs x systems had been
the only ones to pass a certain traction test on rollers, while Quattro and
the rest had failed, but I refused to believe this. However after this, I
think I'll have to warm up to better systems which have evolved with the
times.
A totally disappointed Quattro ex-believer,
JP Roberts
car park was full and so I decided I would make full use of Quattro to park
by driving up onto a slope (about 12% steep) with only the two right wheels
onto a grass fringe (wet with hail from a recent storm) while keeping the
two left wheels on the road's tarmac. I was pretty confident Quattro would
have no problem in driving up along the fringe for about 4 m so that the car
was out of anyone's way. Well, I was totally disappointed to get a bitter
taste of the old days when we used to get stuck without Quattro. Still
refusing to believe this, I got out to check that there was enough clearance
all the way up and there certainly was. Then I made sure the car did not
nosedive into the fringe. Everything was OK but the car still refused to
start off uphill. My only resort was to shily reverse onto the tarmac and
try to find a more traditional parking space.
I was taken aback in such a way that on coming out of the family reunion
meal I asked both my father in his A6 2.5TDI Q and my brother-in-law in his
02 A4 1.8T Q (on winter tyres) to try the experiment, as they were telling
me it must have been a case of my EDL not working properly. Well, they got
the same identic result: the front right and rear right wheels kept spinning
to no avail while the other two did not move an inch.
My conclusion is that while Torsen works flawlessly, EDL (Electronic
Differential Lock) is no less than a big fiasco, at least when there is a
big difference in terms of surface friction coeficient between the two sides
of the car alongside.
I remember reading once that Jeep's Quadradrive and BMWs x systems had been
the only ones to pass a certain traction test on rollers, while Quattro and
the rest had failed, but I refused to believe this. However after this, I
think I'll have to warm up to better systems which have evolved with the
times.
A totally disappointed Quattro ex-believer,
JP Roberts
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Re: So much for EDL!!
JP,
Not to rub it in, but I'm sure my '87 5ktq (Quattro I) would have made it
without problems. Of course, I'd have to reach down and switch the locks on
by hand
Which car is this? IIRC, something like this is addressed by ESP (applying
brakes to the spinning wheels) is it not?
Cheers!
Steve Sears
1987 Audi 5kTQ
1980 Audi 5k
1962 and '64 Auto Union DKW Junior deLuxes
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"JP Roberts" <1234@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> It so happened that as I got to the restaurant of my choice yesterday the
> car park was full and so I decided I would make full use of Quattro to
park
> by driving up onto a slope (about 12% steep) with only the two right
wheels
> onto a grass fringe (wet with hail from a recent storm) while keeping the
> two left wheels on the road's tarmac. I was pretty confident Quattro would
> have no problem in driving up along the fringe for about 4 m so that the
car
> was out of anyone's way. Well, I was totally disappointed to get a bitter
> taste of the old days when we used to get stuck without Quattro. Still
> refusing to believe this, I got out to check that there was enough
clearance
> all the way up and there certainly was. Then I made sure the car did not
> nosedive into the fringe. Everything was OK but the car still refused to
> start off uphill. My only resort was to shily reverse onto the tarmac and
> try to find a more traditional parking space.
>
> I was taken aback in such a way that on coming out of the family reunion
> meal I asked both my father in his A6 2.5TDI Q and my brother-in-law in
his
> 02 A4 1.8T Q (on winter tyres) to try the experiment, as they were telling
> me it must have been a case of my EDL not working properly. Well, they got
> the same identic result: the front right and rear right wheels kept
spinning
> to no avail while the other two did not move an inch.
>
> My conclusion is that while Torsen works flawlessly, EDL (Electronic
> Differential Lock) is no less than a big fiasco, at least when there is a
> big difference in terms of surface friction coeficient between the two
sides
> of the car alongside.
>
> I remember reading once that Jeep's Quadradrive and BMWs x systems had
been
> the only ones to pass a certain traction test on rollers, while Quattro
and
> the rest had failed, but I refused to believe this. However after this, I
> think I'll have to warm up to better systems which have evolved with the
> times.
>
> A totally disappointed Quattro ex-believer,
>
> JP Roberts
>
>
Not to rub it in, but I'm sure my '87 5ktq (Quattro I) would have made it
without problems. Of course, I'd have to reach down and switch the locks on
by hand
Which car is this? IIRC, something like this is addressed by ESP (applying
brakes to the spinning wheels) is it not?
Cheers!
Steve Sears
1987 Audi 5kTQ
1980 Audi 5k
1962 and '64 Auto Union DKW Junior deLuxes
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"JP Roberts" <1234@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> It so happened that as I got to the restaurant of my choice yesterday the
> car park was full and so I decided I would make full use of Quattro to
park
> by driving up onto a slope (about 12% steep) with only the two right
wheels
> onto a grass fringe (wet with hail from a recent storm) while keeping the
> two left wheels on the road's tarmac. I was pretty confident Quattro would
> have no problem in driving up along the fringe for about 4 m so that the
car
> was out of anyone's way. Well, I was totally disappointed to get a bitter
> taste of the old days when we used to get stuck without Quattro. Still
> refusing to believe this, I got out to check that there was enough
clearance
> all the way up and there certainly was. Then I made sure the car did not
> nosedive into the fringe. Everything was OK but the car still refused to
> start off uphill. My only resort was to shily reverse onto the tarmac and
> try to find a more traditional parking space.
>
> I was taken aback in such a way that on coming out of the family reunion
> meal I asked both my father in his A6 2.5TDI Q and my brother-in-law in
his
> 02 A4 1.8T Q (on winter tyres) to try the experiment, as they were telling
> me it must have been a case of my EDL not working properly. Well, they got
> the same identic result: the front right and rear right wheels kept
spinning
> to no avail while the other two did not move an inch.
>
> My conclusion is that while Torsen works flawlessly, EDL (Electronic
> Differential Lock) is no less than a big fiasco, at least when there is a
> big difference in terms of surface friction coeficient between the two
sides
> of the car alongside.
>
> I remember reading once that Jeep's Quadradrive and BMWs x systems had
been
> the only ones to pass a certain traction test on rollers, while Quattro
and
> the rest had failed, but I refused to believe this. However after this, I
> think I'll have to warm up to better systems which have evolved with the
> times.
>
> A totally disappointed Quattro ex-believer,
>
> JP Roberts
>
>
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Re: So much for EDL!!
JP,
Not to rub it in, but I'm sure my '87 5ktq (Quattro I) would have made it
without problems. Of course, I'd have to reach down and switch the locks on
by hand
Which car is this? IIRC, something like this is addressed by ESP (applying
brakes to the spinning wheels) is it not?
Cheers!
Steve Sears
1987 Audi 5kTQ
1980 Audi 5k
1962 and '64 Auto Union DKW Junior deLuxes
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"JP Roberts" <1234@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> It so happened that as I got to the restaurant of my choice yesterday the
> car park was full and so I decided I would make full use of Quattro to
park
> by driving up onto a slope (about 12% steep) with only the two right
wheels
> onto a grass fringe (wet with hail from a recent storm) while keeping the
> two left wheels on the road's tarmac. I was pretty confident Quattro would
> have no problem in driving up along the fringe for about 4 m so that the
car
> was out of anyone's way. Well, I was totally disappointed to get a bitter
> taste of the old days when we used to get stuck without Quattro. Still
> refusing to believe this, I got out to check that there was enough
clearance
> all the way up and there certainly was. Then I made sure the car did not
> nosedive into the fringe. Everything was OK but the car still refused to
> start off uphill. My only resort was to shily reverse onto the tarmac and
> try to find a more traditional parking space.
>
> I was taken aback in such a way that on coming out of the family reunion
> meal I asked both my father in his A6 2.5TDI Q and my brother-in-law in
his
> 02 A4 1.8T Q (on winter tyres) to try the experiment, as they were telling
> me it must have been a case of my EDL not working properly. Well, they got
> the same identic result: the front right and rear right wheels kept
spinning
> to no avail while the other two did not move an inch.
>
> My conclusion is that while Torsen works flawlessly, EDL (Electronic
> Differential Lock) is no less than a big fiasco, at least when there is a
> big difference in terms of surface friction coeficient between the two
sides
> of the car alongside.
>
> I remember reading once that Jeep's Quadradrive and BMWs x systems had
been
> the only ones to pass a certain traction test on rollers, while Quattro
and
> the rest had failed, but I refused to believe this. However after this, I
> think I'll have to warm up to better systems which have evolved with the
> times.
>
> A totally disappointed Quattro ex-believer,
>
> JP Roberts
>
>
Not to rub it in, but I'm sure my '87 5ktq (Quattro I) would have made it
without problems. Of course, I'd have to reach down and switch the locks on
by hand
Which car is this? IIRC, something like this is addressed by ESP (applying
brakes to the spinning wheels) is it not?
Cheers!
Steve Sears
1987 Audi 5kTQ
1980 Audi 5k
1962 and '64 Auto Union DKW Junior deLuxes
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"JP Roberts" <1234@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> It so happened that as I got to the restaurant of my choice yesterday the
> car park was full and so I decided I would make full use of Quattro to
park
> by driving up onto a slope (about 12% steep) with only the two right
wheels
> onto a grass fringe (wet with hail from a recent storm) while keeping the
> two left wheels on the road's tarmac. I was pretty confident Quattro would
> have no problem in driving up along the fringe for about 4 m so that the
car
> was out of anyone's way. Well, I was totally disappointed to get a bitter
> taste of the old days when we used to get stuck without Quattro. Still
> refusing to believe this, I got out to check that there was enough
clearance
> all the way up and there certainly was. Then I made sure the car did not
> nosedive into the fringe. Everything was OK but the car still refused to
> start off uphill. My only resort was to shily reverse onto the tarmac and
> try to find a more traditional parking space.
>
> I was taken aback in such a way that on coming out of the family reunion
> meal I asked both my father in his A6 2.5TDI Q and my brother-in-law in
his
> 02 A4 1.8T Q (on winter tyres) to try the experiment, as they were telling
> me it must have been a case of my EDL not working properly. Well, they got
> the same identic result: the front right and rear right wheels kept
spinning
> to no avail while the other two did not move an inch.
>
> My conclusion is that while Torsen works flawlessly, EDL (Electronic
> Differential Lock) is no less than a big fiasco, at least when there is a
> big difference in terms of surface friction coeficient between the two
sides
> of the car alongside.
>
> I remember reading once that Jeep's Quadradrive and BMWs x systems had
been
> the only ones to pass a certain traction test on rollers, while Quattro
and
> the rest had failed, but I refused to believe this. However after this, I
> think I'll have to warm up to better systems which have evolved with the
> times.
>
> A totally disappointed Quattro ex-believer,
>
> JP Roberts
>
>
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Re: So much for EDL!!
JP,
Not to rub it in, but I'm sure my '87 5ktq (Quattro I) would have made it
without problems. Of course, I'd have to reach down and switch the locks on
by hand
Which car is this? IIRC, something like this is addressed by ESP (applying
brakes to the spinning wheels) is it not?
Cheers!
Steve Sears
1987 Audi 5kTQ
1980 Audi 5k
1962 and '64 Auto Union DKW Junior deLuxes
(SPAM Blocker NOTE: Remove SHOES to reply)
"JP Roberts" <1234@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> It so happened that as I got to the restaurant of my choice yesterday the
> car park was full and so I decided I would make full use of Quattro to
park
> by driving up onto a slope (about 12% steep) with only the two right
wheels
> onto a grass fringe (wet with hail from a recent storm) while keeping the
> two left wheels on the road's tarmac. I was pretty confident Quattro would
> have no problem in driving up along the fringe for about 4 m so that the
car
> was out of anyone's way. Well, I was totally disappointed to get a bitter
> taste of the old days when we used to get stuck without Quattro. Still
> refusing to believe this, I got out to check that there was enough
clearance
> all the way up and there certainly was. Then I made sure the car did not
> nosedive into the fringe. Everything was OK but the car still refused to
> start off uphill. My only resort was to shily reverse onto the tarmac and
> try to find a more traditional parking space.
>
> I was taken aback in such a way that on coming out of the family reunion
> meal I asked both my father in his A6 2.5TDI Q and my brother-in-law in
his
> 02 A4 1.8T Q (on winter tyres) to try the experiment, as they were telling
> me it must have been a case of my EDL not working properly. Well, they got
> the same identic result: the front right and rear right wheels kept
spinning
> to no avail while the other two did not move an inch.
>
> My conclusion is that while Torsen works flawlessly, EDL (Electronic
> Differential Lock) is no less than a big fiasco, at least when there is a
> big difference in terms of surface friction coeficient between the two
sides
> of the car alongside.
>
> I remember reading once that Jeep's Quadradrive and BMWs x systems had
been
> the only ones to pass a certain traction test on rollers, while Quattro
and
> the rest had failed, but I refused to believe this. However after this, I
> think I'll have to warm up to better systems which have evolved with the
> times.
>
> A totally disappointed Quattro ex-believer,
>
> JP Roberts
>
>
Not to rub it in, but I'm sure my '87 5ktq (Quattro I) would have made it
without problems. Of course, I'd have to reach down and switch the locks on
by hand
Which car is this? IIRC, something like this is addressed by ESP (applying
brakes to the spinning wheels) is it not?
Cheers!
Steve Sears
1987 Audi 5kTQ
1980 Audi 5k
1962 and '64 Auto Union DKW Junior deLuxes
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"JP Roberts" <1234@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> It so happened that as I got to the restaurant of my choice yesterday the
> car park was full and so I decided I would make full use of Quattro to
park
> by driving up onto a slope (about 12% steep) with only the two right
wheels
> onto a grass fringe (wet with hail from a recent storm) while keeping the
> two left wheels on the road's tarmac. I was pretty confident Quattro would
> have no problem in driving up along the fringe for about 4 m so that the
car
> was out of anyone's way. Well, I was totally disappointed to get a bitter
> taste of the old days when we used to get stuck without Quattro. Still
> refusing to believe this, I got out to check that there was enough
clearance
> all the way up and there certainly was. Then I made sure the car did not
> nosedive into the fringe. Everything was OK but the car still refused to
> start off uphill. My only resort was to shily reverse onto the tarmac and
> try to find a more traditional parking space.
>
> I was taken aback in such a way that on coming out of the family reunion
> meal I asked both my father in his A6 2.5TDI Q and my brother-in-law in
his
> 02 A4 1.8T Q (on winter tyres) to try the experiment, as they were telling
> me it must have been a case of my EDL not working properly. Well, they got
> the same identic result: the front right and rear right wheels kept
spinning
> to no avail while the other two did not move an inch.
>
> My conclusion is that while Torsen works flawlessly, EDL (Electronic
> Differential Lock) is no less than a big fiasco, at least when there is a
> big difference in terms of surface friction coeficient between the two
sides
> of the car alongside.
>
> I remember reading once that Jeep's Quadradrive and BMWs x systems had
been
> the only ones to pass a certain traction test on rollers, while Quattro
and
> the rest had failed, but I refused to believe this. However after this, I
> think I'll have to warm up to better systems which have evolved with the
> times.
>
> A totally disappointed Quattro ex-believer,
>
> JP Roberts
>
>
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Re: So much for EDL!!
"Steve Sears" <steve.sears@SHOESsoil-mat.on.ca> wrote in message
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> JP,
> Not to rub it in, but I'm sure my '87 5ktq (Quattro I) would have made it
> without problems. Of course, I'd have to reach down and switch the locks
on
> by hand
> Which car is this? IIRC, something like this is addressed by ESP
(applying
> brakes to the spinning wheels) is it not?
> Cheers!
> Steve Sears
> 1987 Audi 5kTQ
> 1980 Audi 5k
> 1962 and '64 Auto Union DKW Junior deLuxes
> (SPAM Blocker NOTE: Remove SHOES to reply)
>
> "JP Roberts" <1234@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:d2bsq3$jrn$1@news.ya.com...
> > It so happened that as I got to the restaurant of my choice yesterday
the
> > car park was full and so I decided I would make full use of Quattro to
> park
> > by driving up onto a slope (about 12% steep) with only the two right
> wheels
> > onto a grass fringe (wet with hail from a recent storm) while keeping
the
> > two left wheels on the road's tarmac. I was pretty confident Quattro
would
> > have no problem in driving up along the fringe for about 4 m so that the
> car
> > was out of anyone's way. Well, I was totally disappointed to get a
bitter
> > taste of the old days when we used to get stuck without Quattro. Still
> > refusing to believe this, I got out to check that there was enough
> clearance
> > all the way up and there certainly was. Then I made sure the car did not
> > nosedive into the fringe. Everything was OK but the car still refused to
> > start off uphill. My only resort was to shily reverse onto the tarmac
and
> > try to find a more traditional parking space.
> >
> > I was taken aback in such a way that on coming out of the family reunion
> > meal I asked both my father in his A6 2.5TDI Q and my brother-in-law in
> his
> > 02 A4 1.8T Q (on winter tyres) to try the experiment, as they were
telling
> > me it must have been a case of my EDL not working properly. Well, they
got
> > the same identic result: the front right and rear right wheels kept
> spinning
> > to no avail while the other two did not move an inch.
> >
> > My conclusion is that while Torsen works flawlessly, EDL (Electronic
> > Differential Lock) is no less than a big fiasco, at least when there is
a
> > big difference in terms of surface friction coeficient between the two
> sides
> > of the car alongside.
> >
> > I remember reading once that Jeep's Quadradrive and BMWs x systems had
> been
> > the only ones to pass a certain traction test on rollers, while Quattro
> and
> > the rest had failed, but I refused to believe this. However after this,
I
> > think I'll have to warm up to better systems which have evolved with the
> > times.
> >
> > A totally disappointed Quattro ex-believer,
> >
> > JP Roberts
> >
> >
>
>
Just press the ESP button, it turns off EDL
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Re: So much for EDL!!
"Steve Sears" <steve.sears@SHOESsoil-mat.on.ca> wrote in message
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> JP,
> Not to rub it in, but I'm sure my '87 5ktq (Quattro I) would have made it
> without problems. Of course, I'd have to reach down and switch the locks
on
> by hand
> Which car is this? IIRC, something like this is addressed by ESP
(applying
> brakes to the spinning wheels) is it not?
> Cheers!
> Steve Sears
> 1987 Audi 5kTQ
> 1980 Audi 5k
> 1962 and '64 Auto Union DKW Junior deLuxes
> (SPAM Blocker NOTE: Remove SHOES to reply)
>
> "JP Roberts" <1234@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:d2bsq3$jrn$1@news.ya.com...
> > It so happened that as I got to the restaurant of my choice yesterday
the
> > car park was full and so I decided I would make full use of Quattro to
> park
> > by driving up onto a slope (about 12% steep) with only the two right
> wheels
> > onto a grass fringe (wet with hail from a recent storm) while keeping
the
> > two left wheels on the road's tarmac. I was pretty confident Quattro
would
> > have no problem in driving up along the fringe for about 4 m so that the
> car
> > was out of anyone's way. Well, I was totally disappointed to get a
bitter
> > taste of the old days when we used to get stuck without Quattro. Still
> > refusing to believe this, I got out to check that there was enough
> clearance
> > all the way up and there certainly was. Then I made sure the car did not
> > nosedive into the fringe. Everything was OK but the car still refused to
> > start off uphill. My only resort was to shily reverse onto the tarmac
and
> > try to find a more traditional parking space.
> >
> > I was taken aback in such a way that on coming out of the family reunion
> > meal I asked both my father in his A6 2.5TDI Q and my brother-in-law in
> his
> > 02 A4 1.8T Q (on winter tyres) to try the experiment, as they were
telling
> > me it must have been a case of my EDL not working properly. Well, they
got
> > the same identic result: the front right and rear right wheels kept
> spinning
> > to no avail while the other two did not move an inch.
> >
> > My conclusion is that while Torsen works flawlessly, EDL (Electronic
> > Differential Lock) is no less than a big fiasco, at least when there is
a
> > big difference in terms of surface friction coeficient between the two
> sides
> > of the car alongside.
> >
> > I remember reading once that Jeep's Quadradrive and BMWs x systems had
> been
> > the only ones to pass a certain traction test on rollers, while Quattro
> and
> > the rest had failed, but I refused to believe this. However after this,
I
> > think I'll have to warm up to better systems which have evolved with the
> > times.
> >
> > A totally disappointed Quattro ex-believer,
> >
> > JP Roberts
> >
> >
>
>
Just press the ESP button, it turns off EDL
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Re: So much for EDL!!
"Steve Sears" <steve.sears@SHOESsoil-mat.on.ca> wrote in message
news:F3f2e.2191$x8.508994@news20.bellglobal.com...
> JP,
> Not to rub it in, but I'm sure my '87 5ktq (Quattro I) would have made it
> without problems. Of course, I'd have to reach down and switch the locks
on
> by hand
> Which car is this? IIRC, something like this is addressed by ESP
(applying
> brakes to the spinning wheels) is it not?
> Cheers!
> Steve Sears
> 1987 Audi 5kTQ
> 1980 Audi 5k
> 1962 and '64 Auto Union DKW Junior deLuxes
> (SPAM Blocker NOTE: Remove SHOES to reply)
>
> "JP Roberts" <1234@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:d2bsq3$jrn$1@news.ya.com...
> > It so happened that as I got to the restaurant of my choice yesterday
the
> > car park was full and so I decided I would make full use of Quattro to
> park
> > by driving up onto a slope (about 12% steep) with only the two right
> wheels
> > onto a grass fringe (wet with hail from a recent storm) while keeping
the
> > two left wheels on the road's tarmac. I was pretty confident Quattro
would
> > have no problem in driving up along the fringe for about 4 m so that the
> car
> > was out of anyone's way. Well, I was totally disappointed to get a
bitter
> > taste of the old days when we used to get stuck without Quattro. Still
> > refusing to believe this, I got out to check that there was enough
> clearance
> > all the way up and there certainly was. Then I made sure the car did not
> > nosedive into the fringe. Everything was OK but the car still refused to
> > start off uphill. My only resort was to shily reverse onto the tarmac
and
> > try to find a more traditional parking space.
> >
> > I was taken aback in such a way that on coming out of the family reunion
> > meal I asked both my father in his A6 2.5TDI Q and my brother-in-law in
> his
> > 02 A4 1.8T Q (on winter tyres) to try the experiment, as they were
telling
> > me it must have been a case of my EDL not working properly. Well, they
got
> > the same identic result: the front right and rear right wheels kept
> spinning
> > to no avail while the other two did not move an inch.
> >
> > My conclusion is that while Torsen works flawlessly, EDL (Electronic
> > Differential Lock) is no less than a big fiasco, at least when there is
a
> > big difference in terms of surface friction coeficient between the two
> sides
> > of the car alongside.
> >
> > I remember reading once that Jeep's Quadradrive and BMWs x systems had
> been
> > the only ones to pass a certain traction test on rollers, while Quattro
> and
> > the rest had failed, but I refused to believe this. However after this,
I
> > think I'll have to warm up to better systems which have evolved with the
> > times.
> >
> > A totally disappointed Quattro ex-believer,
> >
> > JP Roberts
> >
> >
>
>
Just press the ESP button, it turns off EDL
#8
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Posts: n/a
Re: So much for EDL!!
It's a '98 A4 1.8T Quattro, so no ESP, but it is precisely because EDL does
not seem to work as advertised that the car would not start, as the
differentials did not lock on any of the 3 cars!
"Ronny" <ronny@nospamfsplanes.net> escribió en el mensaje
news:3atn4jF6e7r8hU1@individual.net...
>
> "Steve Sears" <steve.sears@SHOESsoil-mat.on.ca> wrote in message
> news:F3f2e.2191$x8.508994@news20.bellglobal.com...
>> JP,
>> Not to rub it in, but I'm sure my '87 5ktq (Quattro I) would have made it
>> without problems. Of course, I'd have to reach down and switch the locks
> on
>> by hand
>> Which car is this? IIRC, something like this is addressed by ESP
> (applying
>> brakes to the spinning wheels) is it not?
>> Cheers!
>> Steve Sears
>> 1987 Audi 5kTQ
>> 1980 Audi 5k
>> 1962 and '64 Auto Union DKW Junior deLuxes
>> (SPAM Blocker NOTE: Remove SHOES to reply)
>>
>> "JP Roberts" <1234@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:d2bsq3$jrn$1@news.ya.com...
>> > It so happened that as I got to the restaurant of my choice yesterday
> the
>> > car park was full and so I decided I would make full use of Quattro to
>> park
>> > by driving up onto a slope (about 12% steep) with only the two right
>> wheels
>> > onto a grass fringe (wet with hail from a recent storm) while keeping
> the
>> > two left wheels on the road's tarmac. I was pretty confident Quattro
> would
>> > have no problem in driving up along the fringe for about 4 m so that
>> > the
>> car
>> > was out of anyone's way. Well, I was totally disappointed to get a
> bitter
>> > taste of the old days when we used to get stuck without Quattro. Still
>> > refusing to believe this, I got out to check that there was enough
>> clearance
>> > all the way up and there certainly was. Then I made sure the car did
>> > not
>> > nosedive into the fringe. Everything was OK but the car still refused
>> > to
>> > start off uphill. My only resort was to shily reverse onto the tarmac
> and
>> > try to find a more traditional parking space.
>> >
>> > I was taken aback in such a way that on coming out of the family
>> > reunion
>> > meal I asked both my father in his A6 2.5TDI Q and my brother-in-law in
>> his
>> > 02 A4 1.8T Q (on winter tyres) to try the experiment, as they were
> telling
>> > me it must have been a case of my EDL not working properly. Well, they
> got
>> > the same identic result: the front right and rear right wheels kept
>> spinning
>> > to no avail while the other two did not move an inch.
>> >
>> > My conclusion is that while Torsen works flawlessly, EDL (Electronic
>> > Differential Lock) is no less than a big fiasco, at least when there is
> a
>> > big difference in terms of surface friction coeficient between the two
>> sides
>> > of the car alongside.
>> >
>> > I remember reading once that Jeep's Quadradrive and BMWs x systems had
>> been
>> > the only ones to pass a certain traction test on rollers, while Quattro
>> and
>> > the rest had failed, but I refused to believe this. However after this,
> I
>> > think I'll have to warm up to better systems which have evolved with
>> > the
>> > times.
>> >
>> > A totally disappointed Quattro ex-believer,
>> >
>> > JP Roberts
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
> Just press the ESP button, it turns off EDL
>
>
not seem to work as advertised that the car would not start, as the
differentials did not lock on any of the 3 cars!
"Ronny" <ronny@nospamfsplanes.net> escribió en el mensaje
news:3atn4jF6e7r8hU1@individual.net...
>
> "Steve Sears" <steve.sears@SHOESsoil-mat.on.ca> wrote in message
> news:F3f2e.2191$x8.508994@news20.bellglobal.com...
>> JP,
>> Not to rub it in, but I'm sure my '87 5ktq (Quattro I) would have made it
>> without problems. Of course, I'd have to reach down and switch the locks
> on
>> by hand
>> Which car is this? IIRC, something like this is addressed by ESP
> (applying
>> brakes to the spinning wheels) is it not?
>> Cheers!
>> Steve Sears
>> 1987 Audi 5kTQ
>> 1980 Audi 5k
>> 1962 and '64 Auto Union DKW Junior deLuxes
>> (SPAM Blocker NOTE: Remove SHOES to reply)
>>
>> "JP Roberts" <1234@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:d2bsq3$jrn$1@news.ya.com...
>> > It so happened that as I got to the restaurant of my choice yesterday
> the
>> > car park was full and so I decided I would make full use of Quattro to
>> park
>> > by driving up onto a slope (about 12% steep) with only the two right
>> wheels
>> > onto a grass fringe (wet with hail from a recent storm) while keeping
> the
>> > two left wheels on the road's tarmac. I was pretty confident Quattro
> would
>> > have no problem in driving up along the fringe for about 4 m so that
>> > the
>> car
>> > was out of anyone's way. Well, I was totally disappointed to get a
> bitter
>> > taste of the old days when we used to get stuck without Quattro. Still
>> > refusing to believe this, I got out to check that there was enough
>> clearance
>> > all the way up and there certainly was. Then I made sure the car did
>> > not
>> > nosedive into the fringe. Everything was OK but the car still refused
>> > to
>> > start off uphill. My only resort was to shily reverse onto the tarmac
> and
>> > try to find a more traditional parking space.
>> >
>> > I was taken aback in such a way that on coming out of the family
>> > reunion
>> > meal I asked both my father in his A6 2.5TDI Q and my brother-in-law in
>> his
>> > 02 A4 1.8T Q (on winter tyres) to try the experiment, as they were
> telling
>> > me it must have been a case of my EDL not working properly. Well, they
> got
>> > the same identic result: the front right and rear right wheels kept
>> spinning
>> > to no avail while the other two did not move an inch.
>> >
>> > My conclusion is that while Torsen works flawlessly, EDL (Electronic
>> > Differential Lock) is no less than a big fiasco, at least when there is
> a
>> > big difference in terms of surface friction coeficient between the two
>> sides
>> > of the car alongside.
>> >
>> > I remember reading once that Jeep's Quadradrive and BMWs x systems had
>> been
>> > the only ones to pass a certain traction test on rollers, while Quattro
>> and
>> > the rest had failed, but I refused to believe this. However after this,
> I
>> > think I'll have to warm up to better systems which have evolved with
>> > the
>> > times.
>> >
>> > A totally disappointed Quattro ex-believer,
>> >
>> > JP Roberts
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
> Just press the ESP button, it turns off EDL
>
>
#9
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: So much for EDL!!
It's a '98 A4 1.8T Quattro, so no ESP, but it is precisely because EDL does
not seem to work as advertised that the car would not start, as the
differentials did not lock on any of the 3 cars!
"Ronny" <ronny@nospamfsplanes.net> escribió en el mensaje
news:3atn4jF6e7r8hU1@individual.net...
>
> "Steve Sears" <steve.sears@SHOESsoil-mat.on.ca> wrote in message
> news:F3f2e.2191$x8.508994@news20.bellglobal.com...
>> JP,
>> Not to rub it in, but I'm sure my '87 5ktq (Quattro I) would have made it
>> without problems. Of course, I'd have to reach down and switch the locks
> on
>> by hand
>> Which car is this? IIRC, something like this is addressed by ESP
> (applying
>> brakes to the spinning wheels) is it not?
>> Cheers!
>> Steve Sears
>> 1987 Audi 5kTQ
>> 1980 Audi 5k
>> 1962 and '64 Auto Union DKW Junior deLuxes
>> (SPAM Blocker NOTE: Remove SHOES to reply)
>>
>> "JP Roberts" <1234@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:d2bsq3$jrn$1@news.ya.com...
>> > It so happened that as I got to the restaurant of my choice yesterday
> the
>> > car park was full and so I decided I would make full use of Quattro to
>> park
>> > by driving up onto a slope (about 12% steep) with only the two right
>> wheels
>> > onto a grass fringe (wet with hail from a recent storm) while keeping
> the
>> > two left wheels on the road's tarmac. I was pretty confident Quattro
> would
>> > have no problem in driving up along the fringe for about 4 m so that
>> > the
>> car
>> > was out of anyone's way. Well, I was totally disappointed to get a
> bitter
>> > taste of the old days when we used to get stuck without Quattro. Still
>> > refusing to believe this, I got out to check that there was enough
>> clearance
>> > all the way up and there certainly was. Then I made sure the car did
>> > not
>> > nosedive into the fringe. Everything was OK but the car still refused
>> > to
>> > start off uphill. My only resort was to shily reverse onto the tarmac
> and
>> > try to find a more traditional parking space.
>> >
>> > I was taken aback in such a way that on coming out of the family
>> > reunion
>> > meal I asked both my father in his A6 2.5TDI Q and my brother-in-law in
>> his
>> > 02 A4 1.8T Q (on winter tyres) to try the experiment, as they were
> telling
>> > me it must have been a case of my EDL not working properly. Well, they
> got
>> > the same identic result: the front right and rear right wheels kept
>> spinning
>> > to no avail while the other two did not move an inch.
>> >
>> > My conclusion is that while Torsen works flawlessly, EDL (Electronic
>> > Differential Lock) is no less than a big fiasco, at least when there is
> a
>> > big difference in terms of surface friction coeficient between the two
>> sides
>> > of the car alongside.
>> >
>> > I remember reading once that Jeep's Quadradrive and BMWs x systems had
>> been
>> > the only ones to pass a certain traction test on rollers, while Quattro
>> and
>> > the rest had failed, but I refused to believe this. However after this,
> I
>> > think I'll have to warm up to better systems which have evolved with
>> > the
>> > times.
>> >
>> > A totally disappointed Quattro ex-believer,
>> >
>> > JP Roberts
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
> Just press the ESP button, it turns off EDL
>
>
not seem to work as advertised that the car would not start, as the
differentials did not lock on any of the 3 cars!
"Ronny" <ronny@nospamfsplanes.net> escribió en el mensaje
news:3atn4jF6e7r8hU1@individual.net...
>
> "Steve Sears" <steve.sears@SHOESsoil-mat.on.ca> wrote in message
> news:F3f2e.2191$x8.508994@news20.bellglobal.com...
>> JP,
>> Not to rub it in, but I'm sure my '87 5ktq (Quattro I) would have made it
>> without problems. Of course, I'd have to reach down and switch the locks
> on
>> by hand
>> Which car is this? IIRC, something like this is addressed by ESP
> (applying
>> brakes to the spinning wheels) is it not?
>> Cheers!
>> Steve Sears
>> 1987 Audi 5kTQ
>> 1980 Audi 5k
>> 1962 and '64 Auto Union DKW Junior deLuxes
>> (SPAM Blocker NOTE: Remove SHOES to reply)
>>
>> "JP Roberts" <1234@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:d2bsq3$jrn$1@news.ya.com...
>> > It so happened that as I got to the restaurant of my choice yesterday
> the
>> > car park was full and so I decided I would make full use of Quattro to
>> park
>> > by driving up onto a slope (about 12% steep) with only the two right
>> wheels
>> > onto a grass fringe (wet with hail from a recent storm) while keeping
> the
>> > two left wheels on the road's tarmac. I was pretty confident Quattro
> would
>> > have no problem in driving up along the fringe for about 4 m so that
>> > the
>> car
>> > was out of anyone's way. Well, I was totally disappointed to get a
> bitter
>> > taste of the old days when we used to get stuck without Quattro. Still
>> > refusing to believe this, I got out to check that there was enough
>> clearance
>> > all the way up and there certainly was. Then I made sure the car did
>> > not
>> > nosedive into the fringe. Everything was OK but the car still refused
>> > to
>> > start off uphill. My only resort was to shily reverse onto the tarmac
> and
>> > try to find a more traditional parking space.
>> >
>> > I was taken aback in such a way that on coming out of the family
>> > reunion
>> > meal I asked both my father in his A6 2.5TDI Q and my brother-in-law in
>> his
>> > 02 A4 1.8T Q (on winter tyres) to try the experiment, as they were
> telling
>> > me it must have been a case of my EDL not working properly. Well, they
> got
>> > the same identic result: the front right and rear right wheels kept
>> spinning
>> > to no avail while the other two did not move an inch.
>> >
>> > My conclusion is that while Torsen works flawlessly, EDL (Electronic
>> > Differential Lock) is no less than a big fiasco, at least when there is
> a
>> > big difference in terms of surface friction coeficient between the two
>> sides
>> > of the car alongside.
>> >
>> > I remember reading once that Jeep's Quadradrive and BMWs x systems had
>> been
>> > the only ones to pass a certain traction test on rollers, while Quattro
>> and
>> > the rest had failed, but I refused to believe this. However after this,
> I
>> > think I'll have to warm up to better systems which have evolved with
>> > the
>> > times.
>> >
>> > A totally disappointed Quattro ex-believer,
>> >
>> > JP Roberts
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
> Just press the ESP button, it turns off EDL
>
>
#10
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: So much for EDL!!
It's a '98 A4 1.8T Quattro, so no ESP, but it is precisely because EDL does
not seem to work as advertised that the car would not start, as the
differentials did not lock on any of the 3 cars!
"Ronny" <ronny@nospamfsplanes.net> escribió en el mensaje
news:3atn4jF6e7r8hU1@individual.net...
>
> "Steve Sears" <steve.sears@SHOESsoil-mat.on.ca> wrote in message
> news:F3f2e.2191$x8.508994@news20.bellglobal.com...
>> JP,
>> Not to rub it in, but I'm sure my '87 5ktq (Quattro I) would have made it
>> without problems. Of course, I'd have to reach down and switch the locks
> on
>> by hand
>> Which car is this? IIRC, something like this is addressed by ESP
> (applying
>> brakes to the spinning wheels) is it not?
>> Cheers!
>> Steve Sears
>> 1987 Audi 5kTQ
>> 1980 Audi 5k
>> 1962 and '64 Auto Union DKW Junior deLuxes
>> (SPAM Blocker NOTE: Remove SHOES to reply)
>>
>> "JP Roberts" <1234@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:d2bsq3$jrn$1@news.ya.com...
>> > It so happened that as I got to the restaurant of my choice yesterday
> the
>> > car park was full and so I decided I would make full use of Quattro to
>> park
>> > by driving up onto a slope (about 12% steep) with only the two right
>> wheels
>> > onto a grass fringe (wet with hail from a recent storm) while keeping
> the
>> > two left wheels on the road's tarmac. I was pretty confident Quattro
> would
>> > have no problem in driving up along the fringe for about 4 m so that
>> > the
>> car
>> > was out of anyone's way. Well, I was totally disappointed to get a
> bitter
>> > taste of the old days when we used to get stuck without Quattro. Still
>> > refusing to believe this, I got out to check that there was enough
>> clearance
>> > all the way up and there certainly was. Then I made sure the car did
>> > not
>> > nosedive into the fringe. Everything was OK but the car still refused
>> > to
>> > start off uphill. My only resort was to shily reverse onto the tarmac
> and
>> > try to find a more traditional parking space.
>> >
>> > I was taken aback in such a way that on coming out of the family
>> > reunion
>> > meal I asked both my father in his A6 2.5TDI Q and my brother-in-law in
>> his
>> > 02 A4 1.8T Q (on winter tyres) to try the experiment, as they were
> telling
>> > me it must have been a case of my EDL not working properly. Well, they
> got
>> > the same identic result: the front right and rear right wheels kept
>> spinning
>> > to no avail while the other two did not move an inch.
>> >
>> > My conclusion is that while Torsen works flawlessly, EDL (Electronic
>> > Differential Lock) is no less than a big fiasco, at least when there is
> a
>> > big difference in terms of surface friction coeficient between the two
>> sides
>> > of the car alongside.
>> >
>> > I remember reading once that Jeep's Quadradrive and BMWs x systems had
>> been
>> > the only ones to pass a certain traction test on rollers, while Quattro
>> and
>> > the rest had failed, but I refused to believe this. However after this,
> I
>> > think I'll have to warm up to better systems which have evolved with
>> > the
>> > times.
>> >
>> > A totally disappointed Quattro ex-believer,
>> >
>> > JP Roberts
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
> Just press the ESP button, it turns off EDL
>
>
not seem to work as advertised that the car would not start, as the
differentials did not lock on any of the 3 cars!
"Ronny" <ronny@nospamfsplanes.net> escribió en el mensaje
news:3atn4jF6e7r8hU1@individual.net...
>
> "Steve Sears" <steve.sears@SHOESsoil-mat.on.ca> wrote in message
> news:F3f2e.2191$x8.508994@news20.bellglobal.com...
>> JP,
>> Not to rub it in, but I'm sure my '87 5ktq (Quattro I) would have made it
>> without problems. Of course, I'd have to reach down and switch the locks
> on
>> by hand
>> Which car is this? IIRC, something like this is addressed by ESP
> (applying
>> brakes to the spinning wheels) is it not?
>> Cheers!
>> Steve Sears
>> 1987 Audi 5kTQ
>> 1980 Audi 5k
>> 1962 and '64 Auto Union DKW Junior deLuxes
>> (SPAM Blocker NOTE: Remove SHOES to reply)
>>
>> "JP Roberts" <1234@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:d2bsq3$jrn$1@news.ya.com...
>> > It so happened that as I got to the restaurant of my choice yesterday
> the
>> > car park was full and so I decided I would make full use of Quattro to
>> park
>> > by driving up onto a slope (about 12% steep) with only the two right
>> wheels
>> > onto a grass fringe (wet with hail from a recent storm) while keeping
> the
>> > two left wheels on the road's tarmac. I was pretty confident Quattro
> would
>> > have no problem in driving up along the fringe for about 4 m so that
>> > the
>> car
>> > was out of anyone's way. Well, I was totally disappointed to get a
> bitter
>> > taste of the old days when we used to get stuck without Quattro. Still
>> > refusing to believe this, I got out to check that there was enough
>> clearance
>> > all the way up and there certainly was. Then I made sure the car did
>> > not
>> > nosedive into the fringe. Everything was OK but the car still refused
>> > to
>> > start off uphill. My only resort was to shily reverse onto the tarmac
> and
>> > try to find a more traditional parking space.
>> >
>> > I was taken aback in such a way that on coming out of the family
>> > reunion
>> > meal I asked both my father in his A6 2.5TDI Q and my brother-in-law in
>> his
>> > 02 A4 1.8T Q (on winter tyres) to try the experiment, as they were
> telling
>> > me it must have been a case of my EDL not working properly. Well, they
> got
>> > the same identic result: the front right and rear right wheels kept
>> spinning
>> > to no avail while the other two did not move an inch.
>> >
>> > My conclusion is that while Torsen works flawlessly, EDL (Electronic
>> > Differential Lock) is no less than a big fiasco, at least when there is
> a
>> > big difference in terms of surface friction coeficient between the two
>> sides
>> > of the car alongside.
>> >
>> > I remember reading once that Jeep's Quadradrive and BMWs x systems had
>> been
>> > the only ones to pass a certain traction test on rollers, while Quattro
>> and
>> > the rest had failed, but I refused to believe this. However after this,
> I
>> > think I'll have to warm up to better systems which have evolved with
>> > the
>> > times.
>> >
>> > A totally disappointed Quattro ex-believer,
>> >
>> > JP Roberts
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
> Just press the ESP button, it turns off EDL
>
>