Quattro not working as advertised - Anyone else experienced this?
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Re: Quattro not working as advertised - Anyone else experienced this?
This discussion reminds me of the commercial by GM? for an AWD SUV a while
back, talking about how the vehicle senses the differing road conditions and
adjusts the traction accordingly (has the inner voice of the driver thinking
"dry....rain....snow....ice....") the ad ends when he rounds a corner, wide
eyed, to see ball bearings on the road.........
The quattro system is not a panacea for driving - there are many situations
where different traction systems will be better than others (even RWD-only).
As Wolfgang said, "I truly think quattro is not a substitue for an all
terrain vehicle AWD with difflocks et all" My '87 5ktq would have climbed
that hill, however, it also would have hopped like a bunny around subsequent
corners if the diff locks did not have a chance to disengage (loads must be
off the diffs), and you have no ABS when the locks are engaged (actually, I
have no ABS, period, but that's another story). All of the revisions to
quattro have been an attempt to somewhat "dumb it down" so that the driver
does not need to see the upcoming ball bearings, reach down and switch on
the difflocks. Jules had a more common safety-oriented situation - there
was a fair difference in the torque resistance side-to-side and the car
tracked straight. That's what's important. I'm sure that the quattro
system on JP's car would produce lousy behavior as one of those stunt cars
that drive on two wheels too.
Cheers!
Steve Sears
1987 Audi 5kTQ - hophophop - not only on Easter
1980 Audi 5k - fwd only
1962 and '64 Auto Union DKW Junior deLuxes - fwd only
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<gcmschemist@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Jules wrote:
> > Is that how it is on all quattros or just model years. The closest I
> > have gotten to that situation is my 97 a6q. Hard acceleation with one
>
> > side on gravel. It went go-go. No wheel spinning.
>
> I had always understood that quattro limits front/rear wheel speed
> differentials. Only the manually locking diffs would limit side/side
> wheel speed differentials. Whether through a vacuum system like my
> car, or a switch like the 4000/5000 series. (urQuattro too, right?)
>
> E.P.
>
back, talking about how the vehicle senses the differing road conditions and
adjusts the traction accordingly (has the inner voice of the driver thinking
"dry....rain....snow....ice....") the ad ends when he rounds a corner, wide
eyed, to see ball bearings on the road.........
The quattro system is not a panacea for driving - there are many situations
where different traction systems will be better than others (even RWD-only).
As Wolfgang said, "I truly think quattro is not a substitue for an all
terrain vehicle AWD with difflocks et all" My '87 5ktq would have climbed
that hill, however, it also would have hopped like a bunny around subsequent
corners if the diff locks did not have a chance to disengage (loads must be
off the diffs), and you have no ABS when the locks are engaged (actually, I
have no ABS, period, but that's another story). All of the revisions to
quattro have been an attempt to somewhat "dumb it down" so that the driver
does not need to see the upcoming ball bearings, reach down and switch on
the difflocks. Jules had a more common safety-oriented situation - there
was a fair difference in the torque resistance side-to-side and the car
tracked straight. That's what's important. I'm sure that the quattro
system on JP's car would produce lousy behavior as one of those stunt cars
that drive on two wheels too.
Cheers!
Steve Sears
1987 Audi 5kTQ - hophophop - not only on Easter
1980 Audi 5k - fwd only
1962 and '64 Auto Union DKW Junior deLuxes - fwd only
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<gcmschemist@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Jules wrote:
> > Is that how it is on all quattros or just model years. The closest I
> > have gotten to that situation is my 97 a6q. Hard acceleation with one
>
> > side on gravel. It went go-go. No wheel spinning.
>
> I had always understood that quattro limits front/rear wheel speed
> differentials. Only the manually locking diffs would limit side/side
> wheel speed differentials. Whether through a vacuum system like my
> car, or a switch like the 4000/5000 series. (urQuattro too, right?)
>
> E.P.
>
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Re: Quattro not working as advertised - Anyone else experienced this?
This discussion reminds me of the commercial by GM? for an AWD SUV a while
back, talking about how the vehicle senses the differing road conditions and
adjusts the traction accordingly (has the inner voice of the driver thinking
"dry....rain....snow....ice....") the ad ends when he rounds a corner, wide
eyed, to see ball bearings on the road.........
The quattro system is not a panacea for driving - there are many situations
where different traction systems will be better than others (even RWD-only).
As Wolfgang said, "I truly think quattro is not a substitue for an all
terrain vehicle AWD with difflocks et all" My '87 5ktq would have climbed
that hill, however, it also would have hopped like a bunny around subsequent
corners if the diff locks did not have a chance to disengage (loads must be
off the diffs), and you have no ABS when the locks are engaged (actually, I
have no ABS, period, but that's another story). All of the revisions to
quattro have been an attempt to somewhat "dumb it down" so that the driver
does not need to see the upcoming ball bearings, reach down and switch on
the difflocks. Jules had a more common safety-oriented situation - there
was a fair difference in the torque resistance side-to-side and the car
tracked straight. That's what's important. I'm sure that the quattro
system on JP's car would produce lousy behavior as one of those stunt cars
that drive on two wheels too.
Cheers!
Steve Sears
1987 Audi 5kTQ - hophophop - not only on Easter
1980 Audi 5k - fwd only
1962 and '64 Auto Union DKW Junior deLuxes - fwd only
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<gcmschemist@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Jules wrote:
> > Is that how it is on all quattros or just model years. The closest I
> > have gotten to that situation is my 97 a6q. Hard acceleation with one
>
> > side on gravel. It went go-go. No wheel spinning.
>
> I had always understood that quattro limits front/rear wheel speed
> differentials. Only the manually locking diffs would limit side/side
> wheel speed differentials. Whether through a vacuum system like my
> car, or a switch like the 4000/5000 series. (urQuattro too, right?)
>
> E.P.
>
back, talking about how the vehicle senses the differing road conditions and
adjusts the traction accordingly (has the inner voice of the driver thinking
"dry....rain....snow....ice....") the ad ends when he rounds a corner, wide
eyed, to see ball bearings on the road.........
The quattro system is not a panacea for driving - there are many situations
where different traction systems will be better than others (even RWD-only).
As Wolfgang said, "I truly think quattro is not a substitue for an all
terrain vehicle AWD with difflocks et all" My '87 5ktq would have climbed
that hill, however, it also would have hopped like a bunny around subsequent
corners if the diff locks did not have a chance to disengage (loads must be
off the diffs), and you have no ABS when the locks are engaged (actually, I
have no ABS, period, but that's another story). All of the revisions to
quattro have been an attempt to somewhat "dumb it down" so that the driver
does not need to see the upcoming ball bearings, reach down and switch on
the difflocks. Jules had a more common safety-oriented situation - there
was a fair difference in the torque resistance side-to-side and the car
tracked straight. That's what's important. I'm sure that the quattro
system on JP's car would produce lousy behavior as one of those stunt cars
that drive on two wheels too.
Cheers!
Steve Sears
1987 Audi 5kTQ - hophophop - not only on Easter
1980 Audi 5k - fwd only
1962 and '64 Auto Union DKW Junior deLuxes - fwd only
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<gcmschemist@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Jules wrote:
> > Is that how it is on all quattros or just model years. The closest I
> > have gotten to that situation is my 97 a6q. Hard acceleation with one
>
> > side on gravel. It went go-go. No wheel spinning.
>
> I had always understood that quattro limits front/rear wheel speed
> differentials. Only the manually locking diffs would limit side/side
> wheel speed differentials. Whether through a vacuum system like my
> car, or a switch like the 4000/5000 series. (urQuattro too, right?)
>
> E.P.
>
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Re: Quattro not working as advertised - Anyone else experienced this?
This discussion reminds me of the commercial by GM? for an AWD SUV a while
back, talking about how the vehicle senses the differing road conditions and
adjusts the traction accordingly (has the inner voice of the driver thinking
"dry....rain....snow....ice....") the ad ends when he rounds a corner, wide
eyed, to see ball bearings on the road.........
The quattro system is not a panacea for driving - there are many situations
where different traction systems will be better than others (even RWD-only).
As Wolfgang said, "I truly think quattro is not a substitue for an all
terrain vehicle AWD with difflocks et all" My '87 5ktq would have climbed
that hill, however, it also would have hopped like a bunny around subsequent
corners if the diff locks did not have a chance to disengage (loads must be
off the diffs), and you have no ABS when the locks are engaged (actually, I
have no ABS, period, but that's another story). All of the revisions to
quattro have been an attempt to somewhat "dumb it down" so that the driver
does not need to see the upcoming ball bearings, reach down and switch on
the difflocks. Jules had a more common safety-oriented situation - there
was a fair difference in the torque resistance side-to-side and the car
tracked straight. That's what's important. I'm sure that the quattro
system on JP's car would produce lousy behavior as one of those stunt cars
that drive on two wheels too.
Cheers!
Steve Sears
1987 Audi 5kTQ - hophophop - not only on Easter
1980 Audi 5k - fwd only
1962 and '64 Auto Union DKW Junior deLuxes - fwd only
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<gcmschemist@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Jules wrote:
> > Is that how it is on all quattros or just model years. The closest I
> > have gotten to that situation is my 97 a6q. Hard acceleation with one
>
> > side on gravel. It went go-go. No wheel spinning.
>
> I had always understood that quattro limits front/rear wheel speed
> differentials. Only the manually locking diffs would limit side/side
> wheel speed differentials. Whether through a vacuum system like my
> car, or a switch like the 4000/5000 series. (urQuattro too, right?)
>
> E.P.
>
back, talking about how the vehicle senses the differing road conditions and
adjusts the traction accordingly (has the inner voice of the driver thinking
"dry....rain....snow....ice....") the ad ends when he rounds a corner, wide
eyed, to see ball bearings on the road.........
The quattro system is not a panacea for driving - there are many situations
where different traction systems will be better than others (even RWD-only).
As Wolfgang said, "I truly think quattro is not a substitue for an all
terrain vehicle AWD with difflocks et all" My '87 5ktq would have climbed
that hill, however, it also would have hopped like a bunny around subsequent
corners if the diff locks did not have a chance to disengage (loads must be
off the diffs), and you have no ABS when the locks are engaged (actually, I
have no ABS, period, but that's another story). All of the revisions to
quattro have been an attempt to somewhat "dumb it down" so that the driver
does not need to see the upcoming ball bearings, reach down and switch on
the difflocks. Jules had a more common safety-oriented situation - there
was a fair difference in the torque resistance side-to-side and the car
tracked straight. That's what's important. I'm sure that the quattro
system on JP's car would produce lousy behavior as one of those stunt cars
that drive on two wheels too.
Cheers!
Steve Sears
1987 Audi 5kTQ - hophophop - not only on Easter
1980 Audi 5k - fwd only
1962 and '64 Auto Union DKW Junior deLuxes - fwd only
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<gcmschemist@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Jules wrote:
> > Is that how it is on all quattros or just model years. The closest I
> > have gotten to that situation is my 97 a6q. Hard acceleation with one
>
> > side on gravel. It went go-go. No wheel spinning.
>
> I had always understood that quattro limits front/rear wheel speed
> differentials. Only the manually locking diffs would limit side/side
> wheel speed differentials. Whether through a vacuum system like my
> car, or a switch like the 4000/5000 series. (urQuattro too, right?)
>
> E.P.
>
#44
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Re: Quattro not working as advertised - Anyone else experienced this?
Pete wrote:
>PS: I know it sucks. The system isn't perfect. It's getting old and there
>are now more advanced AWD systems out there.
Actually IMO not in that class.
Regards
Wolfgang
--
1999 Audi A6 Avant TDI
>PS: I know it sucks. The system isn't perfect. It's getting old and there
>are now more advanced AWD systems out there.
Actually IMO not in that class.
Regards
Wolfgang
--
1999 Audi A6 Avant TDI
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Re: Quattro not working as advertised - Anyone else experienced this?
Pete wrote:
>PS: I know it sucks. The system isn't perfect. It's getting old and there
>are now more advanced AWD systems out there.
Actually IMO not in that class.
Regards
Wolfgang
--
1999 Audi A6 Avant TDI
>PS: I know it sucks. The system isn't perfect. It's getting old and there
>are now more advanced AWD systems out there.
Actually IMO not in that class.
Regards
Wolfgang
--
1999 Audi A6 Avant TDI
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Re: Quattro not working as advertised - Anyone else experienced this?
Pete wrote:
>PS: I know it sucks. The system isn't perfect. It's getting old and there
>are now more advanced AWD systems out there.
Actually IMO not in that class.
Regards
Wolfgang
--
1999 Audi A6 Avant TDI
>PS: I know it sucks. The system isn't perfect. It's getting old and there
>are now more advanced AWD systems out there.
Actually IMO not in that class.
Regards
Wolfgang
--
1999 Audi A6 Avant TDI
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Re: Quattro not working as advertised - Anyone else experienced this?
On Fri, 08 Apr 2005 12:07:06 +0100, charles blassberg <blassberg@email.com>
wrote:
>in effect is there a claimed EDL for EACH of the front AND rear axles or
>just one that works on both axles?
As was explained earlier, EDL uses the wheel brakes. With a center
differential there's no way you're going to lock both front and rear
differentials from any single wheel brake.
But that's A Good Thing...
wrote:
>in effect is there a claimed EDL for EACH of the front AND rear axles or
>just one that works on both axles?
As was explained earlier, EDL uses the wheel brakes. With a center
differential there's no way you're going to lock both front and rear
differentials from any single wheel brake.
But that's A Good Thing...