Quattro Expense
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Re: Quattro Expense
Wolfgang P. writes:
>Hey Dave, despite being right, take a deep breath and take it easy
>pal. Don't get fooled into a shouting contest. In the end both parties
>look foolish, remember?
>
Ahh, come on, Wolf. I be havin' some fun and you're trying to spoil it.
<SEG>
Dave
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>Hey Dave, despite being right, take a deep breath and take it easy
>pal. Don't get fooled into a shouting contest. In the end both parties
>look foolish, remember?
>
Ahh, come on, Wolf. I be havin' some fun and you're trying to spoil it.
<SEG>
Dave
http://hometown.aol.com/davplac/myhomepage/index.html
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Re: Quattro Expense
On 08 Jan 2004 23:54:35 GMT, davplac@aol.comPirate (Dave LaCourse)
wrote:
>xymergy writes:
>
>>OK, but now I have a situation with snow tires where one was punctured
>>in the side wall after 10k miles and replaced under road hazard
>>warranty; will this one new tire create problems with my differential?
>
>Probably not. And, sidewall punctures/failures are rare, at least in my
>millions of miles of driving. Never experienced it.
>Dave
Your answer confirms my suspicion, plus this new tire is the exact
same mfr, model, and size as the other three. As for the puncturing
(punctuation?? , that happened because I was overly assiduous in
parking the car on the street next to the curb. What really happened
was that I slightly slit the sidewall by scraping it on the curb,
weakening it. No air loss, but a disaster waiting to happen.
wrote:
>xymergy writes:
>
>>OK, but now I have a situation with snow tires where one was punctured
>>in the side wall after 10k miles and replaced under road hazard
>>warranty; will this one new tire create problems with my differential?
>
>Probably not. And, sidewall punctures/failures are rare, at least in my
>millions of miles of driving. Never experienced it.
>Dave
Your answer confirms my suspicion, plus this new tire is the exact
same mfr, model, and size as the other three. As for the puncturing
(punctuation?? , that happened because I was overly assiduous in
parking the car on the street next to the curb. What really happened
was that I slightly slit the sidewall by scraping it on the curb,
weakening it. No air loss, but a disaster waiting to happen.
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Re: Quattro Expense
On 09 Jan 2004 14:21:04 GMT, davplac@aol.comPirate (Dave LaCourse)
wrote:
>Wolfgang P. writes:
>
>>Hey Dave, despite being right, take a deep breath and take it easy
>>pal. Don't get fooled into a shouting contest. In the end both parties
>>look foolish, remember?
>>
>
>Ahh, come on, Wolf. I be havin' some fun and you're trying to spoil it.
><SEG>
Oh, sorry, err.. well, feel free to go ahead then )
>Dave
Regards
Wolfgang
wrote:
>Wolfgang P. writes:
>
>>Hey Dave, despite being right, take a deep breath and take it easy
>>pal. Don't get fooled into a shouting contest. In the end both parties
>>look foolish, remember?
>>
>
>Ahh, come on, Wolf. I be havin' some fun and you're trying to spoil it.
><SEG>
Oh, sorry, err.. well, feel free to go ahead then )
>Dave
Regards
Wolfgang
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Re: Quattro Expense
Richard Potato wrote:
> I was talking to my local mech about AWD/quattro vs FWD and he said
> that while it drives nicely the added long term expense is not worth
> it. I am going to buy an A4 but not sure about FWD or AWD.
>
> Any comments about the long term costs of Audi AWD?
>
> Thanks in advance.
Not to beat this discussion to death, but one thing that has not been
mentioned here is that while you have duplicate drive train components
in AWD, you also have on average only 50% of the load. Beyond the
uncomplicated, bullet-proof use of a mechanical Torsen center
differential in non-TT/non-A3 Audis, *that* is the main reason you see
virtually no failures on the drive train components past the
transmission on these cars, and it also helps understand the superior
thread life on tires and other components.
I am tomorrow replacing my crap Michelin tires after almost 60K miles,
just because they would not die (although they became noisy and I have
not trusted them after about 20K). The same tires lasted only about 20K
on my Golf (10K-15K of that showing halfway acceptable performance).
- D.
> I was talking to my local mech about AWD/quattro vs FWD and he said
> that while it drives nicely the added long term expense is not worth
> it. I am going to buy an A4 but not sure about FWD or AWD.
>
> Any comments about the long term costs of Audi AWD?
>
> Thanks in advance.
Not to beat this discussion to death, but one thing that has not been
mentioned here is that while you have duplicate drive train components
in AWD, you also have on average only 50% of the load. Beyond the
uncomplicated, bullet-proof use of a mechanical Torsen center
differential in non-TT/non-A3 Audis, *that* is the main reason you see
virtually no failures on the drive train components past the
transmission on these cars, and it also helps understand the superior
thread life on tires and other components.
I am tomorrow replacing my crap Michelin tires after almost 60K miles,
just because they would not die (although they became noisy and I have
not trusted them after about 20K). The same tires lasted only about 20K
on my Golf (10K-15K of that showing halfway acceptable performance).
- D.
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Re: Quattro Expense
xymergy@suds.com wrote:
> On 08 Jan 2004 15:23:40 GMT, davplac@aol.comPirate (Dave LaCourse)
> wrote:
>
>
>>In all the years I've
>>driven Quattros, I have never had to replace tires prematurely because one
>>failed. But, when I do replace them because of normal wear, I buy four (of
>>course!)
>
>
> OK, but now I have a situation with snow tires where one was punctured
> in the side wall after 10k miles and replaced under road hazard
> warranty; will this one new tire create problems with my differential?
> My independent garage assures me it won't.
I believe there are still places around that will shave a new tire down
to match other tires. Check if this is cost effective for you.
- D.
> On 08 Jan 2004 15:23:40 GMT, davplac@aol.comPirate (Dave LaCourse)
> wrote:
>
>
>>In all the years I've
>>driven Quattros, I have never had to replace tires prematurely because one
>>failed. But, when I do replace them because of normal wear, I buy four (of
>>course!)
>
>
> OK, but now I have a situation with snow tires where one was punctured
> in the side wall after 10k miles and replaced under road hazard
> warranty; will this one new tire create problems with my differential?
> My independent garage assures me it won't.
I believe there are still places around that will shave a new tire down
to match other tires. Check if this is cost effective for you.
- D.
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Re: Quattro Expense
"TransFixed" <eyes@2003forester.jp> wrote in message
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> Richard Potato wrote:
> > I was talking to my local mech about AWD/quattro vs FWD and he said
> > that while it drives nicely the added long term expense is not worth
> > it. I am going to buy an A4 but not sure about FWD or AWD.
> >
> > Any comments about the long term costs of Audi AWD?
> >
> > Thanks in advance.
>
> Not to beat this discussion to death, but one thing that has not been
> mentioned here is that while you have duplicate drive train components
> in AWD, you also have on average only 50% of the load. Beyond the
> uncomplicated, bullet-proof use of a mechanical Torsen center
> differential in non-TT/non-A3 Audis, *that* is the main reason you see
> virtually no failures on the drive train components past the
> transmission on these cars, and it also helps understand the superior
> thread life on tires and other components.
>
> I am tomorrow replacing my crap Michelin tires after almost 60K miles,
> just because they would not die (although they became noisy and I have
> not trusted them after about 20K). The same tires lasted only about 20K
> on my Golf (10K-15K of that showing halfway acceptable performance).
>
> - D.
>
My 18" tyres are now on 30k miles and I have never owned a car that is like
this on tyres<good>, there is no need to rotate the tyres on a quattro, they
do wear almost perfectly, you do get a little more wear if your one of those
people who use the power steering to much while the car is stopped.
My Audi dealer has said he has *never* heard of a quattro drive train going
wrong.
I've just passed the 150k mile mark, and it still drives like new its a new
a4 quattro.
servicing can be a little more expensive on one point, changing the fuel
filter, this is because the quattro has a dual tank design that sits either
side of the prop shaft, you dont have this on fwd car, this makes it harder
to change. oh and the quattro holds a little less fuel. maybe a gallon less.
some garages will charge you more because it's a "quattro" if they do they
are ripping you off, they think they can get away with it being that its the
better vehicle of the range, iirc there is no difference in charge for a
service from Audi.
ronny
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"daytripper" <day_trippr@REMOVEyahoo.com> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 8 Jan 2004 22:44:38 -0500, "Tha Ghee" <grewatson@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >not at all, I do my own oil changes but they still charge a different
amount
> >for any cars with no standard drives.
>
> No, they don't.
>
> >I've seen that it's a 3 mile difference that's more than 3-4% or is math
not your strong suit.
>
> Provide where you got your information then.
>
> >With AWD your more likely to drive different (not cautious) in inclimate
weather, so
> >higher insurance, call and see what they say.
>
> As it happens I have to speak with my agent in the morning. I'll try to
> remember to ask.
>
> >I highly doubt that buying 4 tires is the same cost as replacing two at a
time, touché on the over means.
>
> <yawn> You still don't get it.
>
> >You showed two cars and the last time I checked Ford + Tires is not
> >something to compare and I've owned almost every type of car.
>
> Sure you have. And yet you know so little about tire wear.
>
> >I have a 02 A6 4.2 so I know a thing or about the cost of ownership
>
> Sure you do. And yet you don't have a clue about cost of ownership.
>
> I'm quite content to ASSume you're the totally clueless person you appear
to
> be, thanks for asking.
>
> btw, I think I hear your mommy calling...
>
> /daytripper
> '00 s4 6spd
any time you want to call a local Ohio place I'll be more than happy to give
you the number, if you don't believe me go to progressive and see. if you
want the VIN I can provide it, just make sure your life partner is not upset
at you using the puter so much.
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> On Thu, 8 Jan 2004 22:44:38 -0500, "Tha Ghee" <grewatson@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >not at all, I do my own oil changes but they still charge a different
amount
> >for any cars with no standard drives.
>
> No, they don't.
>
> >I've seen that it's a 3 mile difference that's more than 3-4% or is math
not your strong suit.
>
> Provide where you got your information then.
>
> >With AWD your more likely to drive different (not cautious) in inclimate
weather, so
> >higher insurance, call and see what they say.
>
> As it happens I have to speak with my agent in the morning. I'll try to
> remember to ask.
>
> >I highly doubt that buying 4 tires is the same cost as replacing two at a
time, touché on the over means.
>
> <yawn> You still don't get it.
>
> >You showed two cars and the last time I checked Ford + Tires is not
> >something to compare and I've owned almost every type of car.
>
> Sure you have. And yet you know so little about tire wear.
>
> >I have a 02 A6 4.2 so I know a thing or about the cost of ownership
>
> Sure you do. And yet you don't have a clue about cost of ownership.
>
> I'm quite content to ASSume you're the totally clueless person you appear
to
> be, thanks for asking.
>
> btw, I think I hear your mommy calling...
>
> /daytripper
> '00 s4 6spd
any time you want to call a local Ohio place I'll be more than happy to give
you the number, if you don't believe me go to progressive and see. if you
want the VIN I can provide it, just make sure your life partner is not upset
at you using the puter so much.
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Re: Quattro Expense
"Dave LaCourse" <davplac@aol.comPirate> wrote in message
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> Tha Ghee writes:
>
> >so a Audi is better than a Lexus, BMW, Acura, or Infiniti??
> >
>
> Quattro is better than any other awd system out there. I owned a BMW many
> years ago. Fun to drive, but not on a rainy day and never in the winter.
> Acura = Honda. Good cars, but not as good as Quattro. The same with
Lexus and
> Infiniti. I was thinking of buying a Lexus, and I will probably replace
my
> wife's Land Cruiser with an Infiniti, but I don't consider them better
than
> Audi Quattro.
>
> What's Max drive? d;o)
> Dave
>
> http://hometown.aol.com/davplac/myhomepage/index.html
>
so your saying the Quatt. is better than the ix system in BMW or MBs
4matic??
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> Tha Ghee writes:
>
> >so a Audi is better than a Lexus, BMW, Acura, or Infiniti??
> >
>
> Quattro is better than any other awd system out there. I owned a BMW many
> years ago. Fun to drive, but not on a rainy day and never in the winter.
> Acura = Honda. Good cars, but not as good as Quattro. The same with
Lexus and
> Infiniti. I was thinking of buying a Lexus, and I will probably replace
my
> wife's Land Cruiser with an Infiniti, but I don't consider them better
than
> Audi Quattro.
>
> What's Max drive? d;o)
> Dave
>
> http://hometown.aol.com/davplac/myhomepage/index.html
>
so your saying the Quatt. is better than the ix system in BMW or MBs
4matic??
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Re: Quattro Expense
"Pete" <escape2music@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"Tha Ghee" <grewatson@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:3ffe2533$0$21987
> it use electronics not an AWD system, if you had comprehension skills you
> would see that.
Yes, the FWD G35 uses electronics. But what I have been trying to tell you
is that there is also an AWD version of G35 available now. Why would Nissan
release an AWD version if the electronics alone could take care of
everything in the FWD version? Get it?
Electronics and AWD can work together (Audis have all the electronics, too,
BTW), but one cannot replace the other. Electronics can apply brakes or
remove power from individual wheels. Electronics cannot send power to the
rear wheels in a FWD car. Or did the people at the oil change place also
tell you that it's possible?
> local oil change places charge more for 4x4 vehicles wither
> it's AWD or 4x4 so that's not what I was told but was on a marquee.
You definitely go to all the wrong oil change places. As I (and others)
explained earlier, there is no basis for this.
> no I
> replace them in pairs that's what most people do,
Most people are smart enough to rotate their tires every several thousand
miles so that all their tires wear evenly and last longer. And if they all
wear evenly, there's no need to replace only 2 at a time. I'm sorry you
haven't been able to grasp this concept, but there's never too late.
I'm glad you get all 4 do
> want a coke?? I did if you look at other post but it seems you
> comprehension is low so it's understandable. and I would be hurt, but
> you've shown me nothing to feel you calling me clueless would matter more
> than spam in my inbox.
ROTFL!!! Please refrain from giving wrong advice to others. You're
entitled to have your own opinion, but please don't it - why should
others suffer because of your lack of knowledge?
Pete
you do realize the G35 is RWD, so take you own advise and stop posting
you'll do us all a favor, of not lowing the groups IQ
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"Tha Ghee" <grewatson@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:3ffe2533$0$21987
> it use electronics not an AWD system, if you had comprehension skills you
> would see that.
Yes, the FWD G35 uses electronics. But what I have been trying to tell you
is that there is also an AWD version of G35 available now. Why would Nissan
release an AWD version if the electronics alone could take care of
everything in the FWD version? Get it?
Electronics and AWD can work together (Audis have all the electronics, too,
BTW), but one cannot replace the other. Electronics can apply brakes or
remove power from individual wheels. Electronics cannot send power to the
rear wheels in a FWD car. Or did the people at the oil change place also
tell you that it's possible?
> local oil change places charge more for 4x4 vehicles wither
> it's AWD or 4x4 so that's not what I was told but was on a marquee.
You definitely go to all the wrong oil change places. As I (and others)
explained earlier, there is no basis for this.
> no I
> replace them in pairs that's what most people do,
Most people are smart enough to rotate their tires every several thousand
miles so that all their tires wear evenly and last longer. And if they all
wear evenly, there's no need to replace only 2 at a time. I'm sorry you
haven't been able to grasp this concept, but there's never too late.
I'm glad you get all 4 do
> want a coke?? I did if you look at other post but it seems you
> comprehension is low so it's understandable. and I would be hurt, but
> you've shown me nothing to feel you calling me clueless would matter more
> than spam in my inbox.
ROTFL!!! Please refrain from giving wrong advice to others. You're
entitled to have your own opinion, but please don't it - why should
others suffer because of your lack of knowledge?
Pete
you do realize the G35 is RWD, so take you own advise and stop posting
you'll do us all a favor, of not lowing the groups IQ