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Re: Newsgroup Etiquette

Once upon a time *Andy Turner* wrote:

> On Sun, 10 Apr 2005 14:40:13 +0200, Arne <user@domain.invalid> wrote:
>
>>Once upon a time *Dave LaCourse* wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, 8 Apr 2005 14:34:20 +0000 (UTC), Andy Turner
>>> <andyt@nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Times have changed, they really have. It's only considered poor
>>>>netiquette by those who don't like it. Everyone else just uses it and
>>>>gets on with it.
>>>
>>> Times have NOT changed. Noticed I clipped all of your message and
>>> mine simply to reply to what is relevent. Go to other newsgroups and
>>> you will find a majority of the people do NOT top post.
>>>
>>> I agree with your estimation of quote after quote after quote. That
>>> too is impolite. Simply quote what you wish to talk about. Very
>>> simple. I bet you could do it without even trying. d;o)
>>>
>>
>>Little guideness (also in my sig):
>>http://www.allmyfaqs.com/faq.pl?How_to_post
>
> These are only someone's opinions put down in HTML. Bear this in mind.
>
>

Supported by a large majority of posters in the groups I participate in.

--
/Arne

Top posters will be ignored. Quote the part you
are replying to, no more and no less! And don't
quote signatures, thank you.

Re: Newsgroup Etiquette

On Sun, 10 Apr 2005 16:01:28 +0200, Arne <user@domain.invalid> wrote:

>Once upon a time *Andy Turner* wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 10 Apr 2005 14:40:13 +0200, Arne <user@domain.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>>Little guideness (also in my sig):
>>>http://www.allmyfaqs.com/faq.pl?How_to_post
>>
>> These are only someone's opinions put down in HTML. Bear this in mind.
>>
>
>Supported by a large majority of posters in the groups I participate in.

Majority preference doesn't make minority preferences invalid or
incorrect - and it would be ludicrous to think that majority
preferences should be stamped out just because they are a minority.

Think about how that would translate to real life - it would seem
ridiculous would it not?

andyt

Re: Newsgroup Etiquette

Jules wrote:
> EP
>
> This is different, than your escalated situations.

Only as a matter of degree, not type. Some folks have preferences for
chewing with their mouth open, or passing gas in public. If anything
is acceptable, everything is acceptable.

> I hope you find a newsgrope that still posts to your liking. Perhaps
> join in one of those societies that does historic recreations. Or
> society for creative anachronisms?

Actually, most posts in most newsgroups are still posted correctly.
Top-posters are yet a small minority.

> Etiquette is making someone feel comfortable, but it does have
> standards. Not pushing standards on people.

Wrong. Folks who are deliberately rude often find themselves on the
outside looking in. Post OT, all in caps, binaries, etc, and you find
yourself killfiled or your account TOS-terminated in short order.

> Try and get some joy out of life.

Amusingly ironic.

> Top post, bottom post, there seems to be a logic in having the most
> recent comment at the top.

The very same logic that says things should be read from bottom to top.
Newsgroups aren't threaded from newest to oldest, at least not in any
newsreader I've seen. Even so, most newsreaders will display posts
with the newest content, then thread them by first to last post.
Top-down.

> React how you want. But I wouldn't do what you do.

Post correctly? Of course not. After all, whatever *you* want is the
only important thing.

E.P.

Re: Newsgroup Etiquette

Andy Turner wrote:
> On 9 Apr 2005 08:57:18 -0700, gcmschemist@gmail.com wrote:
> There are probably thousands. But you get the point.
>
> The only point I see is that you just *cannot* bring yourself to
> appreciate that top-posting is a preferred and welcomed style by
> thousands upon thousands of people.

I see it just fine. They are in a small minority, and are generally
repudiated.

> Your analogies are always wrong
> because they are with practices which are either dangerous or
entirely
> unaccepted.

Heh. Driving the speed limit in the passing lane is not inherently
dangerous, and is not illegal everywhere. Posting in caps or html
might run afoul of some newsgroup charters, but in alt.* groups, most
anything goes. That does not imply that those behaviors are not rude.

It's merely a matter of degree.

> Y'see those are not driving styles that are perfectly
> accepted and welcomed by loads of other people.

LOL. You have just abdicated the argument. Those behaviors are on
display every day, by hundreds of people. And that's just in this
area. In big cities, you'll see multiples of the same rude driving
behavior.

> However top-posting
> *is* perfectly accepted and welcomed by thousands of people.

People still claim the world is flat, that the moon landings were
faked, and that the Earth is 6000 years old.

Doesn't make them any less wrong for holding sincerely onto their false
beliefs.

> If you want to compare top-posting to something else, then you have
to
> compare it to something which is also preferred by a great many
people
> - such as motorbikes versus cars.

Riding a motorbike (the mere act of riding) has never been considered
rude behavior. Your analogy fails miserably. Grasp another straw.

> >Unlike you, I support courtesy. You support "if it feels good, do
it -
> >to hell with the rest of you."
>
> Again, wrong. You do not support courtesy because you expect other
> people to adopt your preferences. It's selfish and it's ignorant.

If they were merely *my* preferences, you'd have a point. But they
were standards of behavior set long before your or I ever wrote our
first usenet posts.

> >> Since you (presumably) drive an Audi, do you expect that everyone
> >> drives one since that is your preference?
> >
> >Have I ever said that?
>
> No, it was a question <doh>.

An attempt at a strawman construction. As are the rest of the
"questions." Again, these standards exist separate of me. The
majority holds them as correct.

> However, I think you're perhaps getting the point. To make such
> requests based on your own preferences would be ridiculous.

If proper posting were merely my own preference, you'd be entirely
correct. But it is not. It is the preference of the majority, and
existed previous to MS Outlook and other wrongly-top-post-default
programs.

> I'm glad
> to see that in at least some walks of life, you're happy to accept
the
> choices other people make and don't expect them to make the same
> choices as you.

In matters of ettiquette, I *do* expect people to make the same
choices. That's how a community gets along. I don't clog the passing
lane, and I expect my fellow drivers to do the same. I use center turn
lanes, don't swing wide to turn right, don't left turn into the far
right lane, and all sorts of other driving behavior that helps everyone
(including me) get where they are going with the least amount of
hassle.

> >It speaks volumes that you are running around a.a.a
>
> Running around?! LOL!

A figure of speech. Finding all of my posts and humping them to pound
your chest.

> > humping my posts trying to goad me into a flamewar.
>
> This is not about a flamewar (have I flamed you *at all*?)

Sure, if name-calling or other ad hominem commentary can be called
flaming.

> this is
> merely trying to help you adjust your self-centered attitude with
> regard to expecting everyone else to adopt your preferences.

Again, they are not merely *my* preferences.

>
> > Find another hobby.
>
> I would suggest the same WRT your top-post whining. If you hadn't
> decided to start moaning about it, I wouldn't be responding now would
> I..

So, you can't control your own posting. Sad.

E.P.

Re: Newsgroup Etiquette