Hoe reliable are Audi's?
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Re: Hoe reliable are Audi's?
"Ed Pirrero" <gcmschemist@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Feb 25, 3:59 pm, "iws" <nos...@nospam.com> wrote:
> > "Gman uk" <m...@privacy.net> wrote in message
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> > > iws wrote:
> > > > <vortex.zor...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> > > >news:1172282244.721185.262990@m58g2000cwm.googleg roups.com...
> >
> > > >>Hi,
> >
> > > >>I was planning on getting a used Audi A4 2000 model. I was wondering
> > > >>how reliabl the car would be?
> >
> > > > About as reliable as any other European car. Which frankly isn't
saying
> > too
> > > > much.
> >
> > > I suspect therefore you've never owned a European car.
> >
> > Actually, I've owned several including two Audis.
>
>
> I've found that well-maintained VWs and Audis are almost as reliable
> as their Japanese brethren. The maintenance requirements ARE
> heavier.
Careful maintenance does little to prevent some of the more notorious
problems such as pre-mature oil leaks or the poorly designed control arm
assembly.
> And VAG cars blow away several other Euro makes for reliability.
>
> E.P.
>
news:1172464788.945066.318840@a75g2000cwd.googlegr oups.com...
> On Feb 25, 3:59 pm, "iws" <nos...@nospam.com> wrote:
> > "Gman uk" <m...@privacy.net> wrote in message
> >
> > news:54eferF203b64U1@mid.individual.net...
> >
> > > iws wrote:
> > > > <vortex.zor...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> > > >news:1172282244.721185.262990@m58g2000cwm.googleg roups.com...
> >
> > > >>Hi,
> >
> > > >>I was planning on getting a used Audi A4 2000 model. I was wondering
> > > >>how reliabl the car would be?
> >
> > > > About as reliable as any other European car. Which frankly isn't
saying
> > too
> > > > much.
> >
> > > I suspect therefore you've never owned a European car.
> >
> > Actually, I've owned several including two Audis.
>
>
> I've found that well-maintained VWs and Audis are almost as reliable
> as their Japanese brethren. The maintenance requirements ARE
> heavier.
Careful maintenance does little to prevent some of the more notorious
problems such as pre-mature oil leaks or the poorly designed control arm
assembly.
> And VAG cars blow away several other Euro makes for reliability.
>
> E.P.
>
#42
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Re: Hoe reliable are Audi's?
well I would not trade my '83 Audi 4000s 4cyl 5 speed for any other
make/model in the same year and I prefer driving it over my '91 Passat 16V
automatic. I don't even see too many vehicles that old with that many miles
on it and definitely not running as well. <g>
It has around 240K miles on it but I did install a VW GTi engine in it at
85K miles when I bought it and drove it home.
It has basically been troublefree and very cheap to operate/repair but I
have over the period of 16 years of ownership replaced headgasket, exhaust
post-cat, radiator, timing belt, waterpump & hoses and various little things
like the front seats and A/C components. Currently it needs a new clutch
(slipping a little), new boots for the steering rack and of course the rust
is starting to rear it's ugly head here in Chicago. After 24 years here
that is considered excellent!
I am currently looking for an Audi A4 (or Passat) maybe 7-8 years old with
the 1.8t engine to "fall into my lap" lol
I feel that it will be more expensive to maintain but I believe that they
are well built vehicles and just need regular maintenance. Catch the little
stuff early before they grow into big problems.
If I find a Quattro that would even be better!
So find a very nice well maintained Audi that you like and I think you will
be happy. Of course please plan to budget for repairs and maintenance! All
vehicles need attention so find one that makes you happy when you drive it!
JMHO
later,
dave
(One out of many daves)
http://vwdoc1.tripod.com/
"Ed Pirrero" <gcmschemist@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> > > <vortex.zor...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> > >news:1172282244.721185.262990@m58g2000cwm.googleg roups.com...
>>
>> > >>Hi,
>>
>> > >>I was planning on getting a used Audi A4 2000 model. I was wondering
>> > >>how reliabl the car would be?
>>
>> > > About as reliable as any other European car. Which frankly isn't
>> > > saying
>> too
>> > > much.
>>
>> > I suspect therefore you've never owned a European car.
>>
>> Actually, I've owned several including two Audis.
>
>
> I've found that well-maintained VWs and Audis are almost as reliable
> as their Japanese brethren. The maintenance requirements ARE
> heavier.
>
> And VAG cars blow away several other Euro makes for reliability.
>
> E.P.
>
make/model in the same year and I prefer driving it over my '91 Passat 16V
automatic. I don't even see too many vehicles that old with that many miles
on it and definitely not running as well. <g>
It has around 240K miles on it but I did install a VW GTi engine in it at
85K miles when I bought it and drove it home.
It has basically been troublefree and very cheap to operate/repair but I
have over the period of 16 years of ownership replaced headgasket, exhaust
post-cat, radiator, timing belt, waterpump & hoses and various little things
like the front seats and A/C components. Currently it needs a new clutch
(slipping a little), new boots for the steering rack and of course the rust
is starting to rear it's ugly head here in Chicago. After 24 years here
that is considered excellent!
I am currently looking for an Audi A4 (or Passat) maybe 7-8 years old with
the 1.8t engine to "fall into my lap" lol
I feel that it will be more expensive to maintain but I believe that they
are well built vehicles and just need regular maintenance. Catch the little
stuff early before they grow into big problems.
If I find a Quattro that would even be better!
So find a very nice well maintained Audi that you like and I think you will
be happy. Of course please plan to budget for repairs and maintenance! All
vehicles need attention so find one that makes you happy when you drive it!
JMHO
later,
dave
(One out of many daves)
http://vwdoc1.tripod.com/
"Ed Pirrero" <gcmschemist@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> > > <vortex.zor...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> > >news:1172282244.721185.262990@m58g2000cwm.googleg roups.com...
>>
>> > >>Hi,
>>
>> > >>I was planning on getting a used Audi A4 2000 model. I was wondering
>> > >>how reliabl the car would be?
>>
>> > > About as reliable as any other European car. Which frankly isn't
>> > > saying
>> too
>> > > much.
>>
>> > I suspect therefore you've never owned a European car.
>>
>> Actually, I've owned several including two Audis.
>
>
> I've found that well-maintained VWs and Audis are almost as reliable
> as their Japanese brethren. The maintenance requirements ARE
> heavier.
>
> And VAG cars blow away several other Euro makes for reliability.
>
> E.P.
>
#43
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Re: Hoe reliable are Audi's?
well I would not trade my '83 Audi 4000s 4cyl 5 speed for any other
make/model in the same year and I prefer driving it over my '91 Passat 16V
automatic. I don't even see too many vehicles that old with that many miles
on it and definitely not running as well. <g>
It has around 240K miles on it but I did install a VW GTi engine in it at
85K miles when I bought it and drove it home.
It has basically been troublefree and very cheap to operate/repair but I
have over the period of 16 years of ownership replaced headgasket, exhaust
post-cat, radiator, timing belt, waterpump & hoses and various little things
like the front seats and A/C components. Currently it needs a new clutch
(slipping a little), new boots for the steering rack and of course the rust
is starting to rear it's ugly head here in Chicago. After 24 years here
that is considered excellent!
I am currently looking for an Audi A4 (or Passat) maybe 7-8 years old with
the 1.8t engine to "fall into my lap" lol
I feel that it will be more expensive to maintain but I believe that they
are well built vehicles and just need regular maintenance. Catch the little
stuff early before they grow into big problems.
If I find a Quattro that would even be better!
So find a very nice well maintained Audi that you like and I think you will
be happy. Of course please plan to budget for repairs and maintenance! All
vehicles need attention so find one that makes you happy when you drive it!
JMHO
later,
dave
(One out of many daves)
http://vwdoc1.tripod.com/
"Ed Pirrero" <gcmschemist@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> > > <vortex.zor...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> > >news:1172282244.721185.262990@m58g2000cwm.googleg roups.com...
>>
>> > >>Hi,
>>
>> > >>I was planning on getting a used Audi A4 2000 model. I was wondering
>> > >>how reliabl the car would be?
>>
>> > > About as reliable as any other European car. Which frankly isn't
>> > > saying
>> too
>> > > much.
>>
>> > I suspect therefore you've never owned a European car.
>>
>> Actually, I've owned several including two Audis.
>
>
> I've found that well-maintained VWs and Audis are almost as reliable
> as their Japanese brethren. The maintenance requirements ARE
> heavier.
>
> And VAG cars blow away several other Euro makes for reliability.
>
> E.P.
>
make/model in the same year and I prefer driving it over my '91 Passat 16V
automatic. I don't even see too many vehicles that old with that many miles
on it and definitely not running as well. <g>
It has around 240K miles on it but I did install a VW GTi engine in it at
85K miles when I bought it and drove it home.
It has basically been troublefree and very cheap to operate/repair but I
have over the period of 16 years of ownership replaced headgasket, exhaust
post-cat, radiator, timing belt, waterpump & hoses and various little things
like the front seats and A/C components. Currently it needs a new clutch
(slipping a little), new boots for the steering rack and of course the rust
is starting to rear it's ugly head here in Chicago. After 24 years here
that is considered excellent!
I am currently looking for an Audi A4 (or Passat) maybe 7-8 years old with
the 1.8t engine to "fall into my lap" lol
I feel that it will be more expensive to maintain but I believe that they
are well built vehicles and just need regular maintenance. Catch the little
stuff early before they grow into big problems.
If I find a Quattro that would even be better!
So find a very nice well maintained Audi that you like and I think you will
be happy. Of course please plan to budget for repairs and maintenance! All
vehicles need attention so find one that makes you happy when you drive it!
JMHO
later,
dave
(One out of many daves)
http://vwdoc1.tripod.com/
"Ed Pirrero" <gcmschemist@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> > > <vortex.zor...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> > >news:1172282244.721185.262990@m58g2000cwm.googleg roups.com...
>>
>> > >>Hi,
>>
>> > >>I was planning on getting a used Audi A4 2000 model. I was wondering
>> > >>how reliabl the car would be?
>>
>> > > About as reliable as any other European car. Which frankly isn't
>> > > saying
>> too
>> > > much.
>>
>> > I suspect therefore you've never owned a European car.
>>
>> Actually, I've owned several including two Audis.
>
>
> I've found that well-maintained VWs and Audis are almost as reliable
> as their Japanese brethren. The maintenance requirements ARE
> heavier.
>
> And VAG cars blow away several other Euro makes for reliability.
>
> E.P.
>
#44
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Posts: n/a
Re: Hoe reliable are Audi's?
well I would not trade my '83 Audi 4000s 4cyl 5 speed for any other
make/model in the same year and I prefer driving it over my '91 Passat 16V
automatic. I don't even see too many vehicles that old with that many miles
on it and definitely not running as well. <g>
It has around 240K miles on it but I did install a VW GTi engine in it at
85K miles when I bought it and drove it home.
It has basically been troublefree and very cheap to operate/repair but I
have over the period of 16 years of ownership replaced headgasket, exhaust
post-cat, radiator, timing belt, waterpump & hoses and various little things
like the front seats and A/C components. Currently it needs a new clutch
(slipping a little), new boots for the steering rack and of course the rust
is starting to rear it's ugly head here in Chicago. After 24 years here
that is considered excellent!
I am currently looking for an Audi A4 (or Passat) maybe 7-8 years old with
the 1.8t engine to "fall into my lap" lol
I feel that it will be more expensive to maintain but I believe that they
are well built vehicles and just need regular maintenance. Catch the little
stuff early before they grow into big problems.
If I find a Quattro that would even be better!
So find a very nice well maintained Audi that you like and I think you will
be happy. Of course please plan to budget for repairs and maintenance! All
vehicles need attention so find one that makes you happy when you drive it!
JMHO
later,
dave
(One out of many daves)
http://vwdoc1.tripod.com/
"Ed Pirrero" <gcmschemist@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> > > <vortex.zor...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> > >news:1172282244.721185.262990@m58g2000cwm.googleg roups.com...
>>
>> > >>Hi,
>>
>> > >>I was planning on getting a used Audi A4 2000 model. I was wondering
>> > >>how reliabl the car would be?
>>
>> > > About as reliable as any other European car. Which frankly isn't
>> > > saying
>> too
>> > > much.
>>
>> > I suspect therefore you've never owned a European car.
>>
>> Actually, I've owned several including two Audis.
>
>
> I've found that well-maintained VWs and Audis are almost as reliable
> as their Japanese brethren. The maintenance requirements ARE
> heavier.
>
> And VAG cars blow away several other Euro makes for reliability.
>
> E.P.
>
make/model in the same year and I prefer driving it over my '91 Passat 16V
automatic. I don't even see too many vehicles that old with that many miles
on it and definitely not running as well. <g>
It has around 240K miles on it but I did install a VW GTi engine in it at
85K miles when I bought it and drove it home.
It has basically been troublefree and very cheap to operate/repair but I
have over the period of 16 years of ownership replaced headgasket, exhaust
post-cat, radiator, timing belt, waterpump & hoses and various little things
like the front seats and A/C components. Currently it needs a new clutch
(slipping a little), new boots for the steering rack and of course the rust
is starting to rear it's ugly head here in Chicago. After 24 years here
that is considered excellent!
I am currently looking for an Audi A4 (or Passat) maybe 7-8 years old with
the 1.8t engine to "fall into my lap" lol
I feel that it will be more expensive to maintain but I believe that they
are well built vehicles and just need regular maintenance. Catch the little
stuff early before they grow into big problems.
If I find a Quattro that would even be better!
So find a very nice well maintained Audi that you like and I think you will
be happy. Of course please plan to budget for repairs and maintenance! All
vehicles need attention so find one that makes you happy when you drive it!
JMHO
later,
dave
(One out of many daves)
http://vwdoc1.tripod.com/
"Ed Pirrero" <gcmschemist@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> > > <vortex.zor...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> > >news:1172282244.721185.262990@m58g2000cwm.googleg roups.com...
>>
>> > >>Hi,
>>
>> > >>I was planning on getting a used Audi A4 2000 model. I was wondering
>> > >>how reliabl the car would be?
>>
>> > > About as reliable as any other European car. Which frankly isn't
>> > > saying
>> too
>> > > much.
>>
>> > I suspect therefore you've never owned a European car.
>>
>> Actually, I've owned several including two Audis.
>
>
> I've found that well-maintained VWs and Audis are almost as reliable
> as their Japanese brethren. The maintenance requirements ARE
> heavier.
>
> And VAG cars blow away several other Euro makes for reliability.
>
> E.P.
>
#45
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Hoe reliable are Audi's?
well I would not trade my '83 Audi 4000s 4cyl 5 speed for any other
make/model in the same year and I prefer driving it over my '91 Passat 16V
automatic. I don't even see too many vehicles that old with that many miles
on it and definitely not running as well. <g>
It has around 240K miles on it but I did install a VW GTi engine in it at
85K miles when I bought it and drove it home.
It has basically been troublefree and very cheap to operate/repair but I
have over the period of 16 years of ownership replaced headgasket, exhaust
post-cat, radiator, timing belt, waterpump & hoses and various little things
like the front seats and A/C components. Currently it needs a new clutch
(slipping a little), new boots for the steering rack and of course the rust
is starting to rear it's ugly head here in Chicago. After 24 years here
that is considered excellent!
I am currently looking for an Audi A4 (or Passat) maybe 7-8 years old with
the 1.8t engine to "fall into my lap" lol
I feel that it will be more expensive to maintain but I believe that they
are well built vehicles and just need regular maintenance. Catch the little
stuff early before they grow into big problems.
If I find a Quattro that would even be better!
So find a very nice well maintained Audi that you like and I think you will
be happy. Of course please plan to budget for repairs and maintenance! All
vehicles need attention so find one that makes you happy when you drive it!
JMHO
later,
dave
(One out of many daves)
http://vwdoc1.tripod.com/
"Ed Pirrero" <gcmschemist@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> > > <vortex.zor...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> > >news:1172282244.721185.262990@m58g2000cwm.googleg roups.com...
>>
>> > >>Hi,
>>
>> > >>I was planning on getting a used Audi A4 2000 model. I was wondering
>> > >>how reliabl the car would be?
>>
>> > > About as reliable as any other European car. Which frankly isn't
>> > > saying
>> too
>> > > much.
>>
>> > I suspect therefore you've never owned a European car.
>>
>> Actually, I've owned several including two Audis.
>
>
> I've found that well-maintained VWs and Audis are almost as reliable
> as their Japanese brethren. The maintenance requirements ARE
> heavier.
>
> And VAG cars blow away several other Euro makes for reliability.
>
> E.P.
>
make/model in the same year and I prefer driving it over my '91 Passat 16V
automatic. I don't even see too many vehicles that old with that many miles
on it and definitely not running as well. <g>
It has around 240K miles on it but I did install a VW GTi engine in it at
85K miles when I bought it and drove it home.
It has basically been troublefree and very cheap to operate/repair but I
have over the period of 16 years of ownership replaced headgasket, exhaust
post-cat, radiator, timing belt, waterpump & hoses and various little things
like the front seats and A/C components. Currently it needs a new clutch
(slipping a little), new boots for the steering rack and of course the rust
is starting to rear it's ugly head here in Chicago. After 24 years here
that is considered excellent!
I am currently looking for an Audi A4 (or Passat) maybe 7-8 years old with
the 1.8t engine to "fall into my lap" lol
I feel that it will be more expensive to maintain but I believe that they
are well built vehicles and just need regular maintenance. Catch the little
stuff early before they grow into big problems.
If I find a Quattro that would even be better!
So find a very nice well maintained Audi that you like and I think you will
be happy. Of course please plan to budget for repairs and maintenance! All
vehicles need attention so find one that makes you happy when you drive it!
JMHO
later,
dave
(One out of many daves)
http://vwdoc1.tripod.com/
"Ed Pirrero" <gcmschemist@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> > > <vortex.zor...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> > >news:1172282244.721185.262990@m58g2000cwm.googleg roups.com...
>>
>> > >>Hi,
>>
>> > >>I was planning on getting a used Audi A4 2000 model. I was wondering
>> > >>how reliabl the car would be?
>>
>> > > About as reliable as any other European car. Which frankly isn't
>> > > saying
>> too
>> > > much.
>>
>> > I suspect therefore you've never owned a European car.
>>
>> Actually, I've owned several including two Audis.
>
>
> I've found that well-maintained VWs and Audis are almost as reliable
> as their Japanese brethren. The maintenance requirements ARE
> heavier.
>
> And VAG cars blow away several other Euro makes for reliability.
>
> E.P.
>
#46
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Posts: n/a
Re: Hoe reliable are Audi's?
On Feb 25, 9:25 pm, "iws" <nos...@nospam.com> wrote:
> "Ed Pirrero" <gcmschem...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1172464788.945066.318840@a75g2000cwd.googlegr oups.com...
>
>
>
> > On Feb 25, 3:59 pm, "iws" <nos...@nospam.com> wrote:
> > > "Gman uk" <m...@privacy.net> wrote in message
>
> > >news:54eferF203b64U1@mid.individual.net...
>
> > > > iws wrote:
> > > > > <vortex.zor...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> > > > >news:1172282244.721185.262990@m58g2000cwm.googleg roups.com...
>
> > > > >>Hi,
>
> > > > >>I was planning on getting a used Audi A4 2000 model. I was wondering
> > > > >>how reliabl the car would be?
>
> > > > > About as reliable as any other European car. Which frankly isn't
> saying
> > > too
> > > > > much.
>
> > > > I suspect therefore you've never owned a European car.
>
> > > Actually, I've owned several including two Audis.
>
> > I've found that well-maintained VWs and Audis are almost as reliable
> > as their Japanese brethren. The maintenance requirements ARE
> > heavier.
>
> Careful maintenance does little to prevent some of the more notorious
> problems such as pre-mature oil leaks or the poorly designed control arm
> assembly.
Funny thing: I've got an Avant with the 2.8, and it doesn't leak at
all. After 205k miles, it's been about trouble free as it can be
expected to be. Stuff that goes bad with age has gone bad - rubber
boots and vacuum lines - but that's to be expected. Oddly, every Audi
I've owned has been mostly trouble-free. You don't get "lucky" time
after time if a car maker churns out crap.
I do understand that most cars of the "bad control arm era" don't have
bad arms. If the design is bad, wouldn't they *all* fail?
That's the problem with generalization - it just doesn't fit every
situation.
I think the biggest problem with Audis is that there are owners out
there who don't take care of them, then blame it on Audi "design".
While not faultless, they're not as wretched as you imply.
E.P.
> "Ed Pirrero" <gcmschem...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1172464788.945066.318840@a75g2000cwd.googlegr oups.com...
>
>
>
> > On Feb 25, 3:59 pm, "iws" <nos...@nospam.com> wrote:
> > > "Gman uk" <m...@privacy.net> wrote in message
>
> > >news:54eferF203b64U1@mid.individual.net...
>
> > > > iws wrote:
> > > > > <vortex.zor...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> > > > >news:1172282244.721185.262990@m58g2000cwm.googleg roups.com...
>
> > > > >>Hi,
>
> > > > >>I was planning on getting a used Audi A4 2000 model. I was wondering
> > > > >>how reliabl the car would be?
>
> > > > > About as reliable as any other European car. Which frankly isn't
> saying
> > > too
> > > > > much.
>
> > > > I suspect therefore you've never owned a European car.
>
> > > Actually, I've owned several including two Audis.
>
> > I've found that well-maintained VWs and Audis are almost as reliable
> > as their Japanese brethren. The maintenance requirements ARE
> > heavier.
>
> Careful maintenance does little to prevent some of the more notorious
> problems such as pre-mature oil leaks or the poorly designed control arm
> assembly.
Funny thing: I've got an Avant with the 2.8, and it doesn't leak at
all. After 205k miles, it's been about trouble free as it can be
expected to be. Stuff that goes bad with age has gone bad - rubber
boots and vacuum lines - but that's to be expected. Oddly, every Audi
I've owned has been mostly trouble-free. You don't get "lucky" time
after time if a car maker churns out crap.
I do understand that most cars of the "bad control arm era" don't have
bad arms. If the design is bad, wouldn't they *all* fail?
That's the problem with generalization - it just doesn't fit every
situation.
I think the biggest problem with Audis is that there are owners out
there who don't take care of them, then blame it on Audi "design".
While not faultless, they're not as wretched as you imply.
E.P.
#47
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Re: Hoe reliable are Audi's?
On Feb 25, 9:25 pm, "iws" <nos...@nospam.com> wrote:
> "Ed Pirrero" <gcmschem...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1172464788.945066.318840@a75g2000cwd.googlegr oups.com...
>
>
>
> > On Feb 25, 3:59 pm, "iws" <nos...@nospam.com> wrote:
> > > "Gman uk" <m...@privacy.net> wrote in message
>
> > >news:54eferF203b64U1@mid.individual.net...
>
> > > > iws wrote:
> > > > > <vortex.zor...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> > > > >news:1172282244.721185.262990@m58g2000cwm.googleg roups.com...
>
> > > > >>Hi,
>
> > > > >>I was planning on getting a used Audi A4 2000 model. I was wondering
> > > > >>how reliabl the car would be?
>
> > > > > About as reliable as any other European car. Which frankly isn't
> saying
> > > too
> > > > > much.
>
> > > > I suspect therefore you've never owned a European car.
>
> > > Actually, I've owned several including two Audis.
>
> > I've found that well-maintained VWs and Audis are almost as reliable
> > as their Japanese brethren. The maintenance requirements ARE
> > heavier.
>
> Careful maintenance does little to prevent some of the more notorious
> problems such as pre-mature oil leaks or the poorly designed control arm
> assembly.
Funny thing: I've got an Avant with the 2.8, and it doesn't leak at
all. After 205k miles, it's been about trouble free as it can be
expected to be. Stuff that goes bad with age has gone bad - rubber
boots and vacuum lines - but that's to be expected. Oddly, every Audi
I've owned has been mostly trouble-free. You don't get "lucky" time
after time if a car maker churns out crap.
I do understand that most cars of the "bad control arm era" don't have
bad arms. If the design is bad, wouldn't they *all* fail?
That's the problem with generalization - it just doesn't fit every
situation.
I think the biggest problem with Audis is that there are owners out
there who don't take care of them, then blame it on Audi "design".
While not faultless, they're not as wretched as you imply.
E.P.
> "Ed Pirrero" <gcmschem...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1172464788.945066.318840@a75g2000cwd.googlegr oups.com...
>
>
>
> > On Feb 25, 3:59 pm, "iws" <nos...@nospam.com> wrote:
> > > "Gman uk" <m...@privacy.net> wrote in message
>
> > >news:54eferF203b64U1@mid.individual.net...
>
> > > > iws wrote:
> > > > > <vortex.zor...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> > > > >news:1172282244.721185.262990@m58g2000cwm.googleg roups.com...
>
> > > > >>Hi,
>
> > > > >>I was planning on getting a used Audi A4 2000 model. I was wondering
> > > > >>how reliabl the car would be?
>
> > > > > About as reliable as any other European car. Which frankly isn't
> saying
> > > too
> > > > > much.
>
> > > > I suspect therefore you've never owned a European car.
>
> > > Actually, I've owned several including two Audis.
>
> > I've found that well-maintained VWs and Audis are almost as reliable
> > as their Japanese brethren. The maintenance requirements ARE
> > heavier.
>
> Careful maintenance does little to prevent some of the more notorious
> problems such as pre-mature oil leaks or the poorly designed control arm
> assembly.
Funny thing: I've got an Avant with the 2.8, and it doesn't leak at
all. After 205k miles, it's been about trouble free as it can be
expected to be. Stuff that goes bad with age has gone bad - rubber
boots and vacuum lines - but that's to be expected. Oddly, every Audi
I've owned has been mostly trouble-free. You don't get "lucky" time
after time if a car maker churns out crap.
I do understand that most cars of the "bad control arm era" don't have
bad arms. If the design is bad, wouldn't they *all* fail?
That's the problem with generalization - it just doesn't fit every
situation.
I think the biggest problem with Audis is that there are owners out
there who don't take care of them, then blame it on Audi "design".
While not faultless, they're not as wretched as you imply.
E.P.
#48
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Hoe reliable are Audi's?
On Feb 25, 9:25 pm, "iws" <nos...@nospam.com> wrote:
> "Ed Pirrero" <gcmschem...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1172464788.945066.318840@a75g2000cwd.googlegr oups.com...
>
>
>
> > On Feb 25, 3:59 pm, "iws" <nos...@nospam.com> wrote:
> > > "Gman uk" <m...@privacy.net> wrote in message
>
> > >news:54eferF203b64U1@mid.individual.net...
>
> > > > iws wrote:
> > > > > <vortex.zor...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> > > > >news:1172282244.721185.262990@m58g2000cwm.googleg roups.com...
>
> > > > >>Hi,
>
> > > > >>I was planning on getting a used Audi A4 2000 model. I was wondering
> > > > >>how reliabl the car would be?
>
> > > > > About as reliable as any other European car. Which frankly isn't
> saying
> > > too
> > > > > much.
>
> > > > I suspect therefore you've never owned a European car.
>
> > > Actually, I've owned several including two Audis.
>
> > I've found that well-maintained VWs and Audis are almost as reliable
> > as their Japanese brethren. The maintenance requirements ARE
> > heavier.
>
> Careful maintenance does little to prevent some of the more notorious
> problems such as pre-mature oil leaks or the poorly designed control arm
> assembly.
Funny thing: I've got an Avant with the 2.8, and it doesn't leak at
all. After 205k miles, it's been about trouble free as it can be
expected to be. Stuff that goes bad with age has gone bad - rubber
boots and vacuum lines - but that's to be expected. Oddly, every Audi
I've owned has been mostly trouble-free. You don't get "lucky" time
after time if a car maker churns out crap.
I do understand that most cars of the "bad control arm era" don't have
bad arms. If the design is bad, wouldn't they *all* fail?
That's the problem with generalization - it just doesn't fit every
situation.
I think the biggest problem with Audis is that there are owners out
there who don't take care of them, then blame it on Audi "design".
While not faultless, they're not as wretched as you imply.
E.P.
> "Ed Pirrero" <gcmschem...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1172464788.945066.318840@a75g2000cwd.googlegr oups.com...
>
>
>
> > On Feb 25, 3:59 pm, "iws" <nos...@nospam.com> wrote:
> > > "Gman uk" <m...@privacy.net> wrote in message
>
> > >news:54eferF203b64U1@mid.individual.net...
>
> > > > iws wrote:
> > > > > <vortex.zor...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> > > > >news:1172282244.721185.262990@m58g2000cwm.googleg roups.com...
>
> > > > >>Hi,
>
> > > > >>I was planning on getting a used Audi A4 2000 model. I was wondering
> > > > >>how reliabl the car would be?
>
> > > > > About as reliable as any other European car. Which frankly isn't
> saying
> > > too
> > > > > much.
>
> > > > I suspect therefore you've never owned a European car.
>
> > > Actually, I've owned several including two Audis.
>
> > I've found that well-maintained VWs and Audis are almost as reliable
> > as their Japanese brethren. The maintenance requirements ARE
> > heavier.
>
> Careful maintenance does little to prevent some of the more notorious
> problems such as pre-mature oil leaks or the poorly designed control arm
> assembly.
Funny thing: I've got an Avant with the 2.8, and it doesn't leak at
all. After 205k miles, it's been about trouble free as it can be
expected to be. Stuff that goes bad with age has gone bad - rubber
boots and vacuum lines - but that's to be expected. Oddly, every Audi
I've owned has been mostly trouble-free. You don't get "lucky" time
after time if a car maker churns out crap.
I do understand that most cars of the "bad control arm era" don't have
bad arms. If the design is bad, wouldn't they *all* fail?
That's the problem with generalization - it just doesn't fit every
situation.
I think the biggest problem with Audis is that there are owners out
there who don't take care of them, then blame it on Audi "design".
While not faultless, they're not as wretched as you imply.
E.P.
#49
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Hoe reliable are Audi's?
On Feb 25, 9:25 pm, "iws" <nos...@nospam.com> wrote:
> "Ed Pirrero" <gcmschem...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1172464788.945066.318840@a75g2000cwd.googlegr oups.com...
>
>
>
> > On Feb 25, 3:59 pm, "iws" <nos...@nospam.com> wrote:
> > > "Gman uk" <m...@privacy.net> wrote in message
>
> > >news:54eferF203b64U1@mid.individual.net...
>
> > > > iws wrote:
> > > > > <vortex.zor...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> > > > >news:1172282244.721185.262990@m58g2000cwm.googleg roups.com...
>
> > > > >>Hi,
>
> > > > >>I was planning on getting a used Audi A4 2000 model. I was wondering
> > > > >>how reliabl the car would be?
>
> > > > > About as reliable as any other European car. Which frankly isn't
> saying
> > > too
> > > > > much.
>
> > > > I suspect therefore you've never owned a European car.
>
> > > Actually, I've owned several including two Audis.
>
> > I've found that well-maintained VWs and Audis are almost as reliable
> > as their Japanese brethren. The maintenance requirements ARE
> > heavier.
>
> Careful maintenance does little to prevent some of the more notorious
> problems such as pre-mature oil leaks or the poorly designed control arm
> assembly.
Funny thing: I've got an Avant with the 2.8, and it doesn't leak at
all. After 205k miles, it's been about trouble free as it can be
expected to be. Stuff that goes bad with age has gone bad - rubber
boots and vacuum lines - but that's to be expected. Oddly, every Audi
I've owned has been mostly trouble-free. You don't get "lucky" time
after time if a car maker churns out crap.
I do understand that most cars of the "bad control arm era" don't have
bad arms. If the design is bad, wouldn't they *all* fail?
That's the problem with generalization - it just doesn't fit every
situation.
I think the biggest problem with Audis is that there are owners out
there who don't take care of them, then blame it on Audi "design".
While not faultless, they're not as wretched as you imply.
E.P.
> "Ed Pirrero" <gcmschem...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1172464788.945066.318840@a75g2000cwd.googlegr oups.com...
>
>
>
> > On Feb 25, 3:59 pm, "iws" <nos...@nospam.com> wrote:
> > > "Gman uk" <m...@privacy.net> wrote in message
>
> > >news:54eferF203b64U1@mid.individual.net...
>
> > > > iws wrote:
> > > > > <vortex.zor...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> > > > >news:1172282244.721185.262990@m58g2000cwm.googleg roups.com...
>
> > > > >>Hi,
>
> > > > >>I was planning on getting a used Audi A4 2000 model. I was wondering
> > > > >>how reliabl the car would be?
>
> > > > > About as reliable as any other European car. Which frankly isn't
> saying
> > > too
> > > > > much.
>
> > > > I suspect therefore you've never owned a European car.
>
> > > Actually, I've owned several including two Audis.
>
> > I've found that well-maintained VWs and Audis are almost as reliable
> > as their Japanese brethren. The maintenance requirements ARE
> > heavier.
>
> Careful maintenance does little to prevent some of the more notorious
> problems such as pre-mature oil leaks or the poorly designed control arm
> assembly.
Funny thing: I've got an Avant with the 2.8, and it doesn't leak at
all. After 205k miles, it's been about trouble free as it can be
expected to be. Stuff that goes bad with age has gone bad - rubber
boots and vacuum lines - but that's to be expected. Oddly, every Audi
I've owned has been mostly trouble-free. You don't get "lucky" time
after time if a car maker churns out crap.
I do understand that most cars of the "bad control arm era" don't have
bad arms. If the design is bad, wouldn't they *all* fail?
That's the problem with generalization - it just doesn't fit every
situation.
I think the biggest problem with Audis is that there are owners out
there who don't take care of them, then blame it on Audi "design".
While not faultless, they're not as wretched as you imply.
E.P.
#50
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Posts: n/a
Re: Hoe reliable are Audi's?
On Feb 25, 9:42 pm, "dave AKA vwdoc1" <vwd...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> well I would not trade my '83 Audi 4000s 4cyl 5 speed for any other
> make/model in the same year and I prefer driving it over my '91 Passat 16V
> automatic. I don't even see too many vehicles that old with that many miles
> on it and definitely not running as well. <g>
> It has around 240K miles on it but I did install a VW GTi engine in it at
> 85K miles when I bought it and drove it home.
> It has basically been troublefree and very cheap to operate/repair but I
> have over the period of 16 years of ownership replaced headgasket, exhaust
> post-cat, radiator, timing belt, waterpump & hoses and various little things
> like the front seats and A/C components. Currently it needs a new clutch
> (slipping a little), new boots for the steering rack and of course the rust
> is starting to rear it's ugly head here in Chicago. After 24 years here
> that is considered excellent!
>
> I am currently looking for an Audi A4 (or Passat) maybe 7-8 years old with
> the 1.8t engine to "fall into my lap" lol
> I feel that it will be more expensive to maintain but I believe that they
> are well built vehicles and just need regular maintenance. Catch the little
> stuff early before they grow into big problems.
> If I find a Quattro that would even be better!
> So find a very nice well maintained Audi that you like and I think you will
> be happy. Of course please plan to budget for repairs and maintenance! All
> vehicles need attention so find one that makes you happy when you drive it!
>
After a certain age, stuff just breaks. An electric window motor
doesn't last forever. Nor a clutch, nor even a galvanized body shell.
Heck, people gripe about having to replace brake pads and rotors!!!
E.P.
> well I would not trade my '83 Audi 4000s 4cyl 5 speed for any other
> make/model in the same year and I prefer driving it over my '91 Passat 16V
> automatic. I don't even see too many vehicles that old with that many miles
> on it and definitely not running as well. <g>
> It has around 240K miles on it but I did install a VW GTi engine in it at
> 85K miles when I bought it and drove it home.
> It has basically been troublefree and very cheap to operate/repair but I
> have over the period of 16 years of ownership replaced headgasket, exhaust
> post-cat, radiator, timing belt, waterpump & hoses and various little things
> like the front seats and A/C components. Currently it needs a new clutch
> (slipping a little), new boots for the steering rack and of course the rust
> is starting to rear it's ugly head here in Chicago. After 24 years here
> that is considered excellent!
>
> I am currently looking for an Audi A4 (or Passat) maybe 7-8 years old with
> the 1.8t engine to "fall into my lap" lol
> I feel that it will be more expensive to maintain but I believe that they
> are well built vehicles and just need regular maintenance. Catch the little
> stuff early before they grow into big problems.
> If I find a Quattro that would even be better!
> So find a very nice well maintained Audi that you like and I think you will
> be happy. Of course please plan to budget for repairs and maintenance! All
> vehicles need attention so find one that makes you happy when you drive it!
>
After a certain age, stuff just breaks. An electric window motor
doesn't last forever. Nor a clutch, nor even a galvanized body shell.
Heck, people gripe about having to replace brake pads and rotors!!!
E.P.