Electrical problem - anyone else had this?
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Re: Electrical problem - anyone else had this?
"Ed Pirrero" <gcmschemist@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>Peter H wrote:
>> > I hate to say it, but here goes:
>> >
>> > Bentley Manual.
>> >
>> Not available in here the United Kingdom, unfortunately.
>
>!!!?
>
>Robert Bentley and Associates (IIRC) ship anywhere in the world. The
>manuals are expensive, and LHD-centered. They are EXCEEDINGLY helpful.
> They can pay for themselves on the first use.
>
One caution however.. The newer Audi maintenance manuals (through
Bentley) are of no help at all when it comes to troubleshooting DTC's.
For example, the A3 manual, for any controller that might produce a
DTC, says:
"With ignition switched off, connect Vehicle Diagnosis, Testing and
Information System VAS 5051/5052 select "Vehicle Self Diagnosis"
Vehicle Diagnosis, Testing and Information System VAS 5051 / 5052 ,
connecting and selecting functions ."
So, unless you own or lease a a VAS 5051 or 5052, you'll need
VAG-COM..
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>
>Peter H wrote:
>> > I hate to say it, but here goes:
>> >
>> > Bentley Manual.
>> >
>> Not available in here the United Kingdom, unfortunately.
>
>!!!?
>
>Robert Bentley and Associates (IIRC) ship anywhere in the world. The
>manuals are expensive, and LHD-centered. They are EXCEEDINGLY helpful.
> They can pay for themselves on the first use.
>
One caution however.. The newer Audi maintenance manuals (through
Bentley) are of no help at all when it comes to troubleshooting DTC's.
For example, the A3 manual, for any controller that might produce a
DTC, says:
"With ignition switched off, connect Vehicle Diagnosis, Testing and
Information System VAS 5051/5052 select "Vehicle Self Diagnosis"
Vehicle Diagnosis, Testing and Information System VAS 5051 / 5052 ,
connecting and selecting functions ."
So, unless you own or lease a a VAS 5051 or 5052, you'll need
VAG-COM..
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Re: Electrical problem - anyone else had this?
Doug Warner wrote:
> "Ed Pirrero" <gcmschemist@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >Robert Bentley and Associates (IIRC) ship anywhere in the world. The
> >manuals are expensive, and LHD-centered. They are EXCEEDINGLY helpful.
> > They can pay for themselves on the first use.
> >
>
> So, unless you own or lease a a VAS 5051 or 5052, you'll need
> VAG-COM..
As you say, for the newer cars. A pain in the neck, to be sure.
For Peter's 1999 A6, this seems unlikely.
Good information for people looking to buy new(er), however.
E.P.
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Re: Electrical problem - anyone else had this?
Doug Warner wrote:
> "Ed Pirrero" <gcmschemist@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >Robert Bentley and Associates (IIRC) ship anywhere in the world. The
> >manuals are expensive, and LHD-centered. They are EXCEEDINGLY helpful.
> > They can pay for themselves on the first use.
> >
>
> So, unless you own or lease a a VAS 5051 or 5052, you'll need
> VAG-COM..
As you say, for the newer cars. A pain in the neck, to be sure.
For Peter's 1999 A6, this seems unlikely.
Good information for people looking to buy new(er), however.
E.P.
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Re: Electrical problem - anyone else had this?
Doug Warner wrote:
> "Ed Pirrero" <gcmschemist@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >Robert Bentley and Associates (IIRC) ship anywhere in the world. The
> >manuals are expensive, and LHD-centered. They are EXCEEDINGLY helpful.
> > They can pay for themselves on the first use.
> >
>
> So, unless you own or lease a a VAS 5051 or 5052, you'll need
> VAG-COM..
As you say, for the newer cars. A pain in the neck, to be sure.
For Peter's 1999 A6, this seems unlikely.
Good information for people looking to buy new(er), however.
E.P.
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Re: Electrical problem - anyone else had this?
Peter,
I looked through my Bentley for useful clues to your situation.
The two main categories for the mirrors were "with" or "without" folding
mirrors.
In looking at both sets the only items that the manual referred to is the
switch between the seats and the other item is the controller which it says
is 'In a protective box, under the carpeting under the drivers seat". This
is from a US version of the manual so.......
Both the switch and the controller seem like likely next steps as there
wasn't any info on the mirrors themselves (or it didn't jump out at me).
In reading your subsequent posts, it sounds like you know where the relays
are (yes, annoying to access) and others in the group have offered the
'broken wiring in the door' as a possible problem.
If you have the folding mirrors, perhaps that's another wire wear area.
GRS
"Peter H" <peter_hindle@bigfoot.com> wrote in message
news:1147471607.138182.286670@i39g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
>I have an Audi A6 4.2 Avant, '99 model year, and I wondered if anyone
> could please suggest the source of an electrical problem I'm having...
>
> A couple of days ago I tried to adjust one of the door mirrors (using
> the **** between the front seats).
>
> It was quickly apparent that this had been a Bad Idea. Firstly, the
> mirror didn't move. Secondly, the climate control stopped working, the
> lights in the centre instrument panel went out, and the DIS stopped
> showing the outside air temperature, and indicated that there was a
> failure of the oil temperature & level sensor.
>
> I assumed that a fuse had blown, and consulted the driver's handbook to
> find out which one it might be. As there didn't seem to be any one fuse
> that would cause a failure of all these things, I inspected all of
> them - but none had blown. Clever people who know about cars (i.e: not
> me) suggested it might be caused by the failure of a relay. I took the
> car to two Audi dealerships, who laughed patronizingly at my suggested
> relay-failure diagnosis, and indicated that they *might* be prepared
> (in a week or two, and if I paid them a few hundred pounds) to look at
> the car to see what the problem might be.
>
> (To digress: is it only here in the UK that customers are treated with
> such disdain by Audi dealers, or is it a more wide problem?)
>
> I have a VAG-COM, which now reports only that there's a failure of the
> "Outside Air Temp Sensor (G17)" and of the "Sensor for Oil
> Level/Temperature (G266)". Is it possible that these two components,
> plus the electric mirrors, have failed simultaneously? Or is there,
> perhaps, an underlying problem?
>
> Any suggestions as to the source of the problem would be very welcome,
> and would earn my heartfelt gratitude.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Peter
>
I looked through my Bentley for useful clues to your situation.
The two main categories for the mirrors were "with" or "without" folding
mirrors.
In looking at both sets the only items that the manual referred to is the
switch between the seats and the other item is the controller which it says
is 'In a protective box, under the carpeting under the drivers seat". This
is from a US version of the manual so.......
Both the switch and the controller seem like likely next steps as there
wasn't any info on the mirrors themselves (or it didn't jump out at me).
In reading your subsequent posts, it sounds like you know where the relays
are (yes, annoying to access) and others in the group have offered the
'broken wiring in the door' as a possible problem.
If you have the folding mirrors, perhaps that's another wire wear area.
GRS
"Peter H" <peter_hindle@bigfoot.com> wrote in message
news:1147471607.138182.286670@i39g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
>I have an Audi A6 4.2 Avant, '99 model year, and I wondered if anyone
> could please suggest the source of an electrical problem I'm having...
>
> A couple of days ago I tried to adjust one of the door mirrors (using
> the **** between the front seats).
>
> It was quickly apparent that this had been a Bad Idea. Firstly, the
> mirror didn't move. Secondly, the climate control stopped working, the
> lights in the centre instrument panel went out, and the DIS stopped
> showing the outside air temperature, and indicated that there was a
> failure of the oil temperature & level sensor.
>
> I assumed that a fuse had blown, and consulted the driver's handbook to
> find out which one it might be. As there didn't seem to be any one fuse
> that would cause a failure of all these things, I inspected all of
> them - but none had blown. Clever people who know about cars (i.e: not
> me) suggested it might be caused by the failure of a relay. I took the
> car to two Audi dealerships, who laughed patronizingly at my suggested
> relay-failure diagnosis, and indicated that they *might* be prepared
> (in a week or two, and if I paid them a few hundred pounds) to look at
> the car to see what the problem might be.
>
> (To digress: is it only here in the UK that customers are treated with
> such disdain by Audi dealers, or is it a more wide problem?)
>
> I have a VAG-COM, which now reports only that there's a failure of the
> "Outside Air Temp Sensor (G17)" and of the "Sensor for Oil
> Level/Temperature (G266)". Is it possible that these two components,
> plus the electric mirrors, have failed simultaneously? Or is there,
> perhaps, an underlying problem?
>
> Any suggestions as to the source of the problem would be very welcome,
> and would earn my heartfelt gratitude.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Peter
>
#36
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Re: Electrical problem - anyone else had this?
Peter,
I looked through my Bentley for useful clues to your situation.
The two main categories for the mirrors were "with" or "without" folding
mirrors.
In looking at both sets the only items that the manual referred to is the
switch between the seats and the other item is the controller which it says
is 'In a protective box, under the carpeting under the drivers seat". This
is from a US version of the manual so.......
Both the switch and the controller seem like likely next steps as there
wasn't any info on the mirrors themselves (or it didn't jump out at me).
In reading your subsequent posts, it sounds like you know where the relays
are (yes, annoying to access) and others in the group have offered the
'broken wiring in the door' as a possible problem.
If you have the folding mirrors, perhaps that's another wire wear area.
GRS
"Peter H" <peter_hindle@bigfoot.com> wrote in message
news:1147471607.138182.286670@i39g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
>I have an Audi A6 4.2 Avant, '99 model year, and I wondered if anyone
> could please suggest the source of an electrical problem I'm having...
>
> A couple of days ago I tried to adjust one of the door mirrors (using
> the **** between the front seats).
>
> It was quickly apparent that this had been a Bad Idea. Firstly, the
> mirror didn't move. Secondly, the climate control stopped working, the
> lights in the centre instrument panel went out, and the DIS stopped
> showing the outside air temperature, and indicated that there was a
> failure of the oil temperature & level sensor.
>
> I assumed that a fuse had blown, and consulted the driver's handbook to
> find out which one it might be. As there didn't seem to be any one fuse
> that would cause a failure of all these things, I inspected all of
> them - but none had blown. Clever people who know about cars (i.e: not
> me) suggested it might be caused by the failure of a relay. I took the
> car to two Audi dealerships, who laughed patronizingly at my suggested
> relay-failure diagnosis, and indicated that they *might* be prepared
> (in a week or two, and if I paid them a few hundred pounds) to look at
> the car to see what the problem might be.
>
> (To digress: is it only here in the UK that customers are treated with
> such disdain by Audi dealers, or is it a more wide problem?)
>
> I have a VAG-COM, which now reports only that there's a failure of the
> "Outside Air Temp Sensor (G17)" and of the "Sensor for Oil
> Level/Temperature (G266)". Is it possible that these two components,
> plus the electric mirrors, have failed simultaneously? Or is there,
> perhaps, an underlying problem?
>
> Any suggestions as to the source of the problem would be very welcome,
> and would earn my heartfelt gratitude.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Peter
>
I looked through my Bentley for useful clues to your situation.
The two main categories for the mirrors were "with" or "without" folding
mirrors.
In looking at both sets the only items that the manual referred to is the
switch between the seats and the other item is the controller which it says
is 'In a protective box, under the carpeting under the drivers seat". This
is from a US version of the manual so.......
Both the switch and the controller seem like likely next steps as there
wasn't any info on the mirrors themselves (or it didn't jump out at me).
In reading your subsequent posts, it sounds like you know where the relays
are (yes, annoying to access) and others in the group have offered the
'broken wiring in the door' as a possible problem.
If you have the folding mirrors, perhaps that's another wire wear area.
GRS
"Peter H" <peter_hindle@bigfoot.com> wrote in message
news:1147471607.138182.286670@i39g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
>I have an Audi A6 4.2 Avant, '99 model year, and I wondered if anyone
> could please suggest the source of an electrical problem I'm having...
>
> A couple of days ago I tried to adjust one of the door mirrors (using
> the **** between the front seats).
>
> It was quickly apparent that this had been a Bad Idea. Firstly, the
> mirror didn't move. Secondly, the climate control stopped working, the
> lights in the centre instrument panel went out, and the DIS stopped
> showing the outside air temperature, and indicated that there was a
> failure of the oil temperature & level sensor.
>
> I assumed that a fuse had blown, and consulted the driver's handbook to
> find out which one it might be. As there didn't seem to be any one fuse
> that would cause a failure of all these things, I inspected all of
> them - but none had blown. Clever people who know about cars (i.e: not
> me) suggested it might be caused by the failure of a relay. I took the
> car to two Audi dealerships, who laughed patronizingly at my suggested
> relay-failure diagnosis, and indicated that they *might* be prepared
> (in a week or two, and if I paid them a few hundred pounds) to look at
> the car to see what the problem might be.
>
> (To digress: is it only here in the UK that customers are treated with
> such disdain by Audi dealers, or is it a more wide problem?)
>
> I have a VAG-COM, which now reports only that there's a failure of the
> "Outside Air Temp Sensor (G17)" and of the "Sensor for Oil
> Level/Temperature (G266)". Is it possible that these two components,
> plus the electric mirrors, have failed simultaneously? Or is there,
> perhaps, an underlying problem?
>
> Any suggestions as to the source of the problem would be very welcome,
> and would earn my heartfelt gratitude.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Peter
>
#37
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Re: Electrical problem - anyone else had this?
Peter,
I looked through my Bentley for useful clues to your situation.
The two main categories for the mirrors were "with" or "without" folding
mirrors.
In looking at both sets the only items that the manual referred to is the
switch between the seats and the other item is the controller which it says
is 'In a protective box, under the carpeting under the drivers seat". This
is from a US version of the manual so.......
Both the switch and the controller seem like likely next steps as there
wasn't any info on the mirrors themselves (or it didn't jump out at me).
In reading your subsequent posts, it sounds like you know where the relays
are (yes, annoying to access) and others in the group have offered the
'broken wiring in the door' as a possible problem.
If you have the folding mirrors, perhaps that's another wire wear area.
GRS
"Peter H" <peter_hindle@bigfoot.com> wrote in message
news:1147471607.138182.286670@i39g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
>I have an Audi A6 4.2 Avant, '99 model year, and I wondered if anyone
> could please suggest the source of an electrical problem I'm having...
>
> A couple of days ago I tried to adjust one of the door mirrors (using
> the **** between the front seats).
>
> It was quickly apparent that this had been a Bad Idea. Firstly, the
> mirror didn't move. Secondly, the climate control stopped working, the
> lights in the centre instrument panel went out, and the DIS stopped
> showing the outside air temperature, and indicated that there was a
> failure of the oil temperature & level sensor.
>
> I assumed that a fuse had blown, and consulted the driver's handbook to
> find out which one it might be. As there didn't seem to be any one fuse
> that would cause a failure of all these things, I inspected all of
> them - but none had blown. Clever people who know about cars (i.e: not
> me) suggested it might be caused by the failure of a relay. I took the
> car to two Audi dealerships, who laughed patronizingly at my suggested
> relay-failure diagnosis, and indicated that they *might* be prepared
> (in a week or two, and if I paid them a few hundred pounds) to look at
> the car to see what the problem might be.
>
> (To digress: is it only here in the UK that customers are treated with
> such disdain by Audi dealers, or is it a more wide problem?)
>
> I have a VAG-COM, which now reports only that there's a failure of the
> "Outside Air Temp Sensor (G17)" and of the "Sensor for Oil
> Level/Temperature (G266)". Is it possible that these two components,
> plus the electric mirrors, have failed simultaneously? Or is there,
> perhaps, an underlying problem?
>
> Any suggestions as to the source of the problem would be very welcome,
> and would earn my heartfelt gratitude.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Peter
>
I looked through my Bentley for useful clues to your situation.
The two main categories for the mirrors were "with" or "without" folding
mirrors.
In looking at both sets the only items that the manual referred to is the
switch between the seats and the other item is the controller which it says
is 'In a protective box, under the carpeting under the drivers seat". This
is from a US version of the manual so.......
Both the switch and the controller seem like likely next steps as there
wasn't any info on the mirrors themselves (or it didn't jump out at me).
In reading your subsequent posts, it sounds like you know where the relays
are (yes, annoying to access) and others in the group have offered the
'broken wiring in the door' as a possible problem.
If you have the folding mirrors, perhaps that's another wire wear area.
GRS
"Peter H" <peter_hindle@bigfoot.com> wrote in message
news:1147471607.138182.286670@i39g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
>I have an Audi A6 4.2 Avant, '99 model year, and I wondered if anyone
> could please suggest the source of an electrical problem I'm having...
>
> A couple of days ago I tried to adjust one of the door mirrors (using
> the **** between the front seats).
>
> It was quickly apparent that this had been a Bad Idea. Firstly, the
> mirror didn't move. Secondly, the climate control stopped working, the
> lights in the centre instrument panel went out, and the DIS stopped
> showing the outside air temperature, and indicated that there was a
> failure of the oil temperature & level sensor.
>
> I assumed that a fuse had blown, and consulted the driver's handbook to
> find out which one it might be. As there didn't seem to be any one fuse
> that would cause a failure of all these things, I inspected all of
> them - but none had blown. Clever people who know about cars (i.e: not
> me) suggested it might be caused by the failure of a relay. I took the
> car to two Audi dealerships, who laughed patronizingly at my suggested
> relay-failure diagnosis, and indicated that they *might* be prepared
> (in a week or two, and if I paid them a few hundred pounds) to look at
> the car to see what the problem might be.
>
> (To digress: is it only here in the UK that customers are treated with
> such disdain by Audi dealers, or is it a more wide problem?)
>
> I have a VAG-COM, which now reports only that there's a failure of the
> "Outside Air Temp Sensor (G17)" and of the "Sensor for Oil
> Level/Temperature (G266)". Is it possible that these two components,
> plus the electric mirrors, have failed simultaneously? Or is there,
> perhaps, an underlying problem?
>
> Any suggestions as to the source of the problem would be very welcome,
> and would earn my heartfelt gratitude.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Peter
>
#38
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Re: Electrical problem - anyone else had this?
Glenn Spence wrote:
> Peter,
> I looked through my Bentley for useful clues to your situation...
Glenn,
Thank you very much for doing that - and please accept my apologies for
not acknowledging your kindness sooner.
I gave up and contacted the local dealership - a loose connection,
which was fixed very quickly.
Many thanks again.
Peter
> Peter,
> I looked through my Bentley for useful clues to your situation...
Glenn,
Thank you very much for doing that - and please accept my apologies for
not acknowledging your kindness sooner.
I gave up and contacted the local dealership - a loose connection,
which was fixed very quickly.
Many thanks again.
Peter
#39
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Re: Electrical problem - anyone else had this?
Glenn Spence wrote:
> Peter,
> I looked through my Bentley for useful clues to your situation...
Glenn,
Thank you very much for doing that - and please accept my apologies for
not acknowledging your kindness sooner.
I gave up and contacted the local dealership - a loose connection,
which was fixed very quickly.
Many thanks again.
Peter
> Peter,
> I looked through my Bentley for useful clues to your situation...
Glenn,
Thank you very much for doing that - and please accept my apologies for
not acknowledging your kindness sooner.
I gave up and contacted the local dealership - a loose connection,
which was fixed very quickly.
Many thanks again.
Peter
#40
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Posts: n/a
Re: Electrical problem - anyone else had this?
Glenn Spence wrote:
> Peter,
> I looked through my Bentley for useful clues to your situation...
Glenn,
Thank you very much for doing that - and please accept my apologies for
not acknowledging your kindness sooner.
I gave up and contacted the local dealership - a loose connection,
which was fixed very quickly.
Many thanks again.
Peter
> Peter,
> I looked through my Bentley for useful clues to your situation...
Glenn,
Thank you very much for doing that - and please accept my apologies for
not acknowledging your kindness sooner.
I gave up and contacted the local dealership - a loose connection,
which was fixed very quickly.
Many thanks again.
Peter