Mike Smith wrote:

>Black Bomb wrote:
>>
>> Well, although I haven't seen too many of these cases, I guess GM refuses
>to
>> use cement leather material as Europeans use that results in back pains
>> after a couple of driving hours.
>
>You must have a weak back. I've had my Passat (with leather seats) on
>numerous 3+ hour trips with no back pains. I must say, though, the most
>comfortable seat I've ever run across is still the cloth-upholstered
>seat that was in my last car, a Saturn LS2. My back would actually feel
>*better* after a few hours in that seat.
>
>--
>Mike Smith

I agree, Mike.

Ten years ago I drove from Roanoke, Va. to Boston in ten hours (692 miles). I
was driving a '90 200 Turbo. When I arrived home, I mowed the lawn. No sore
back on this old man. My wife and I drove every year round trip from Boston to
Road Atlanta for the SCCA Nationals (until they changed the venue to Mid Ohio -
sux!). No sore backs. The seats in that '90 200 weren't anywhere near as good
as the seats in my '94 S4. My present RS-6 has even better seats.

Before purchasing the RS-6, I drove the S4, A8L, Merc AMG, Porsche Cayenne
Turbo, and the BMW 5 series. (It was a very tough choice between the RS-6 and
the A8L - the old man in me said A8, while the kid in me said 450 bhp.) They
all have wonderful seats. I also drove an '03 Vette. It was comfortable, but
on a long trip, it would be murder on these old bones.

You know absolutely nothing about driving if you think that Euro cars have bad
seats when compared to GM seats.

Dave
'03 RS-6 Avus/Ebony
http://hometown.aol.com/davplac/myhomepage/index.html

 

If you can lean your head on the head rest and have a full vision of all
mirrors, as I do in my Corvette, there is a chance that your back will be
fine after a long trip. My uncle has a BMW 3 series & a Pontiac Grand Prix.
When he has to do a long trip, he takes his Grand Prix due to seating
comfort. Obviously an RS-6 at the price it costs has to have a better
seating than a 3 series BMW, but is it much a better seating???? If you say
it is, well then I'll have to beleive it cause I've never been in an RS-6. I
will pay attention to all this in the new year when I go to the anual car
show. The opinions will then stay with me.

"Dave LaCourse" <davplac@aol.comPirate> wrote in message
news:20031126080437.18993.00001121@mb-m18.aol.com...
> Mike Smith wrote:
>
> >Black Bomb wrote:
> >>
> >> Well, although I haven't seen too many of these cases, I guess GM
refuses
> >to
> >> use cement leather material as Europeans use that results in back pains
> >> after a couple of driving hours.
> >
> >You must have a weak back. I've had my Passat (with leather seats) on
> >numerous 3+ hour trips with no back pains. I must say, though, the most
> >comfortable seat I've ever run across is still the cloth-upholstered
> >seat that was in my last car, a Saturn LS2. My back would actually feel
> >*better* after a few hours in that seat.
> >
> >--
> >Mike Smith
>
> I agree, Mike.
>
> Ten years ago I drove from Roanoke, Va. to Boston in ten hours (692
miles). I
> was driving a '90 200 Turbo. When I arrived home, I mowed the lawn. No
sore
> back on this old man. My wife and I drove every year round trip from
Boston to
> Road Atlanta for the SCCA Nationals (until they changed the venue to Mid
Ohio -
> sux!). No sore backs. The seats in that '90 200 weren't anywhere near as
good
> as the seats in my '94 S4. My present RS-6 has even better seats.
>
> Before purchasing the RS-6, I drove the S4, A8L, Merc AMG, Porsche Cayenne
> Turbo, and the BMW 5 series. (It was a very tough choice between the RS-6
and
> the A8L - the old man in me said A8, while the kid in me said 450 bhp.)
They
> all have wonderful seats. I also drove an '03 Vette. It was comfortable,
but
> on a long trip, it would be murder on these old bones.
>
> You know absolutely nothing about driving if you think that Euro cars have
bad
> seats when compared to GM seats.
>
> Dave
> '03 RS-6 Avus/Ebony
> http://hometown.aol.com/davplac/myhomepage/index.html
>
>
>
>

 

Black Bomb writes:

>I
>will pay attention to all this in the new year when I go to the anual car
>show. The opinions will then stay with me.

You miss the point. Your statement that Euro cars use stiff leather and
therefore your back must hurt after driving for awhile is false. I'm an old
man and long drives tend to be a little tedious for me. However, a good
driving position in a comfortable seat makes a world of different. The Audi
seats have an almost infinite number of adjustments - up/down, seat tilt
up/down, back support tilt back/forward, whole seat back/forward. Plus a
lumbar support that can be adjusted as you drive or whenever. And, there are
three different positions that you can program so you can change your driving
position while you're on the road, and that includes steering wheel and
rearview mirrors. The passenger *also* has the same choices (except for the
steering wheel and mirrors, of course). Probably the most important feature of
Audis I have owned is the length of the seat itself- it gives support of the
legs all the way to the bend in your knee.

All of this has *nothing* to do with leather. The Vette that I drove was quite
stiff. The seats were very good, but the ride would tire me after a few hours.
Just an old man's oppinion.

Dave
RS-6 Avus/Ebony
http://hometown.aol.com/davplac/myhomepage/index.html

 

<< LT1????You still don't know what a Grand Sport is so give it up. And
Corvette's body don't rust. I hope you are you starting to learn
something????? >>

Actually, it was a typo. Up to 1995, the 300Hp LT1 was standard fair in the C4
Corvette. For 1996, the LT1 remained the standard engine, and the only way to
get an automatic tranny with a C4. But the LT4 with 330Hp was added as an
option to "base" models and made the standard engine in the Grand Sport. Black
painted brakes and wheels, new leather seating surfaces, the paint job/badging,
and the LT4 were what seperated the Grand Sport from a standard Corvette.
Although my typo does not dismiss the fact that the Grand Sport has lost
tremendous value. I could've easily picked one up in fine shape for less that
what my 2002 Volkswagen cost. Compare this to the average costs of a 1995 S6 or
1996 Carrera 2, and you'll see how much better the German cars stand in resale.
You've also failed to address my other points, but I'm not surprised, as even a
hardcore Corvette fan would have an awful time trying to dispute them.

 

<< I'm willing to see if he meant LT1 or LT4, he had the HP right. >>

Thank you for giving me the benefit of the doubt. I did mean LT4. The LT1 was
the standard engine in "base" C4s at that time and it's often what first pops
into mind when discussing them.

 

<< I must say, though, the most
comfortable seat I've ever run across is still the cloth-upholstered
seat that was in my last car, a Saturn LS2. My back would actually feel
*better* after a few hours in that seat. >>

I finally got to ride in a new Saturn, and I must say, it's not nearly as bad
as I thought it would be. If I were buying an average-priced American sedan,
I'd take their product over anything in the Chevy/Pontiac/Buick lineups..

 

<< My uncle has a BMW 3 series & a Pontiac Grand Prix.
When he has to do a long trip, he takes his Grand Prix due to seating
comfort. >>

I've ridden in Grand Prixs, and ridden in/driven BMWs of various model and
vintage. And this is an odd claim. I found the Grand Prix, the rear seats
especially, to be one of the most uncomfortable cars I've ever been in.

 

Concerning the Grand Sport, I can see that you've done some homework.

"Steve Grauman" <oneactor1@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20031126160326.16385.00000739@mb-m23.aol.com...
> << LT1????You still don't know what a Grand Sport is so give it up. And
> Corvette's body don't rust. I hope you are you starting to learn
> something????? >>
>
> Actually, it was a typo. Up to 1995, the 300Hp LT1 was standard fair in
the C4
> Corvette. For 1996, the LT1 remained the standard engine, and the only way
to
> get an automatic tranny with a C4. But the LT4 with 330Hp was added as an
> option to "base" models and made the standard engine in the Grand Sport.
Black
> painted brakes and wheels, new leather seating surfaces, the paint
job/badging,
> and the LT4 were what seperated the Grand Sport from a standard Corvette.
> Although my typo does not dismiss the fact that the Grand Sport has lost
> tremendous value. I could've easily picked one up in fine shape for less
that
> what my 2002 Volkswagen cost. Compare this to the average costs of a 1995
S6 or
> 1996 Carrera 2, and you'll see how much better the German cars stand in
resale.
> You've also failed to address my other points, but I'm not surprised, as
even a
> hardcore Corvette fan would have an awful time trying to dispute them.

 

On 26 Nov 2003 21:03:26 GMT, Steve Grauman <oneactor1@aol.com> wrote:

> Black
> painted brakes and wheels, new leather seating surfaces, the paint
> job/badging,
> and the LT4 were what seperated the Grand Sport from a standard Corvette.

Standard Corvettes came with used leather that year?

--
Mark

 

Toby Groves wrote:

>In article <8iWwb.54450$X2W1.36606@news04.bloor.is.net.cable. rogers.com>
>, Johnie Walker <"Johnie Walker"@booze.com> writes
>
>
>>The only one you know about is MS Outlook Express you say? Hmmm, my
>>Netscape defaults to top posting as well. Aren't MS & Netscape the 2
>>majors? Where are you from Mike? Oh, let me guess - down under! Bwaa,
>>Haa, Haa! That would explain your posting down under!
>>
>>
>
>OMG, he actually thinks he's funny.
>
Toby, I would never suggest that dykes in Amsterdam are funny!