Audi 4 vs. Bmw 3 Series
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Re: Audi 4 vs. Bmw 3 Series
On Tue, 14 Dec 2004 20:54:15 GMT, Peter Bell <peter@invalid.org.uk>
wrote:
>In message <41bf4245.97639207@news.gv.shawcable.net>
> ccnewto@telus.com (Cam Newton) wrote:
>
>> I was being facetious about the Volvo. The S40 is a tarted up Mazda 3
>
>Are you sure about that? The original S40 and Mitsubishi Carisma were
>based on the same platform.
>
Well, that us kinda my point: re-use, recycle, refurbish and
re-market. If I want a Mazda 3 I will buy one.
I appreciate the economic necessity to re-use various bits of h/w by
car assemblers and lord knows, there is a bit in my B6 A4 that started
as a VW product (mostly in the engine, I believe) but if this keeps on
going there will be five car assemblers with four models each. I can
hardly wait. By then at least my license will be revoked due to age (I
am thinking of a few decades in the future).
One item of note: when I was looking at the G35X in the spring the
sales guy sales: all Nissan parts. So why would I buy a G35X if I can
get a Maxima (RWD) for a bunch less? To me, he made a mistake. The
Audi sales guy made a point of saying: all Audi, not VW parts. I
didn't want to task him on the engine. I just had to let that one go.
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>Peter Bell (Note Spamtrap - To reply, replace 'invalid' with 'bellfamily')
wrote:
>In message <41bf4245.97639207@news.gv.shawcable.net>
> ccnewto@telus.com (Cam Newton) wrote:
>
>> I was being facetious about the Volvo. The S40 is a tarted up Mazda 3
>
>Are you sure about that? The original S40 and Mitsubishi Carisma were
>based on the same platform.
>
Well, that us kinda my point: re-use, recycle, refurbish and
re-market. If I want a Mazda 3 I will buy one.
I appreciate the economic necessity to re-use various bits of h/w by
car assemblers and lord knows, there is a bit in my B6 A4 that started
as a VW product (mostly in the engine, I believe) but if this keeps on
going there will be five car assemblers with four models each. I can
hardly wait. By then at least my license will be revoked due to age (I
am thinking of a few decades in the future).
One item of note: when I was looking at the G35X in the spring the
sales guy sales: all Nissan parts. So why would I buy a G35X if I can
get a Maxima (RWD) for a bunch less? To me, he made a mistake. The
Audi sales guy made a point of saying: all Audi, not VW parts. I
didn't want to task him on the engine. I just had to let that one go.
>--
>Peter Bell (Note Spamtrap - To reply, replace 'invalid' with 'bellfamily')
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Re: Audi 4 vs. Bmw 3 Series
Cam Newton wrote:
>
> I was being facetious about the Volvo. The S40 is a tarted up Mazda 3
> with a bigger marketing budget, nothing more.
Actually, it's a tarted-up Ford Focus.
> Volvo is not anywhere near where it was nor where it thinks it
> is. When i went to kick tires at the local Volvo shop the guy said the
> S60 was = to an A8. I guess he had never seen an A8. The S60 on a good
> day is an A6 stripper.
I would say more like S80 ~= A6. The A8 is equaled only by other
top-notch Germans.
--
Mike Smith
>
> I was being facetious about the Volvo. The S40 is a tarted up Mazda 3
> with a bigger marketing budget, nothing more.
Actually, it's a tarted-up Ford Focus.
> Volvo is not anywhere near where it was nor where it thinks it
> is. When i went to kick tires at the local Volvo shop the guy said the
> S60 was = to an A8. I guess he had never seen an A8. The S60 on a good
> day is an A6 stripper.
I would say more like S80 ~= A6. The A8 is equaled only by other
top-notch Germans.
--
Mike Smith
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Re: Audi 4 vs. Bmw 3 Series
Cam Newton wrote:
>
> I was being facetious about the Volvo. The S40 is a tarted up Mazda 3
> with a bigger marketing budget, nothing more.
Actually, it's a tarted-up Ford Focus.
> Volvo is not anywhere near where it was nor where it thinks it
> is. When i went to kick tires at the local Volvo shop the guy said the
> S60 was = to an A8. I guess he had never seen an A8. The S60 on a good
> day is an A6 stripper.
I would say more like S80 ~= A6. The A8 is equaled only by other
top-notch Germans.
--
Mike Smith
>
> I was being facetious about the Volvo. The S40 is a tarted up Mazda 3
> with a bigger marketing budget, nothing more.
Actually, it's a tarted-up Ford Focus.
> Volvo is not anywhere near where it was nor where it thinks it
> is. When i went to kick tires at the local Volvo shop the guy said the
> S60 was = to an A8. I guess he had never seen an A8. The S60 on a good
> day is an A6 stripper.
I would say more like S80 ~= A6. The A8 is equaled only by other
top-notch Germans.
--
Mike Smith
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Re: Audi 4 vs. Bmw 3 Series
Cam Newton wrote:
>
> I was being facetious about the Volvo. The S40 is a tarted up Mazda 3
> with a bigger marketing budget, nothing more.
Actually, it's a tarted-up Ford Focus.
> Volvo is not anywhere near where it was nor where it thinks it
> is. When i went to kick tires at the local Volvo shop the guy said the
> S60 was = to an A8. I guess he had never seen an A8. The S60 on a good
> day is an A6 stripper.
I would say more like S80 ~= A6. The A8 is equaled only by other
top-notch Germans.
--
Mike Smith
>
> I was being facetious about the Volvo. The S40 is a tarted up Mazda 3
> with a bigger marketing budget, nothing more.
Actually, it's a tarted-up Ford Focus.
> Volvo is not anywhere near where it was nor where it thinks it
> is. When i went to kick tires at the local Volvo shop the guy said the
> S60 was = to an A8. I guess he had never seen an A8. The S60 on a good
> day is an A6 stripper.
I would say more like S80 ~= A6. The A8 is equaled only by other
top-notch Germans.
--
Mike Smith
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Re: Audi 4 vs. Bmw 3 Series
On Tue, 14 Dec 2004 21:15:56 -0500, Mike Smith
<mike_UNDERSCORE_smith@acm.DOT.org> wrote:
>Cam Newton wrote:
>>
>> I was being facetious about the Volvo. The S40 is a tarted up Mazda 3
>> with a bigger marketing budget, nothing more.
>
>Actually, it's a tarted-up Ford Focus.
Indeed. And the Foucs has such good optics. Not too many recalls, the
work is not that shoddy, the final assembly is pretty OK, fit and
finish is ... Ford-like.
>
> > Volvo is not anywhere near where it was nor where it thinks it
>> is. When i went to kick tires at the local Volvo shop the guy said the
>> S60 was = to an A8. I guess he had never seen an A8. The S60 on a good
>> day is an A6 stripper.
>
>I would say more like S80 ~= A6. The A8 is equaled only by other
>top-notch Germans.
>
Agreed.
>--
>Mike Smith
<mike_UNDERSCORE_smith@acm.DOT.org> wrote:
>Cam Newton wrote:
>>
>> I was being facetious about the Volvo. The S40 is a tarted up Mazda 3
>> with a bigger marketing budget, nothing more.
>
>Actually, it's a tarted-up Ford Focus.
Indeed. And the Foucs has such good optics. Not too many recalls, the
work is not that shoddy, the final assembly is pretty OK, fit and
finish is ... Ford-like.
>
> > Volvo is not anywhere near where it was nor where it thinks it
>> is. When i went to kick tires at the local Volvo shop the guy said the
>> S60 was = to an A8. I guess he had never seen an A8. The S60 on a good
>> day is an A6 stripper.
>
>I would say more like S80 ~= A6. The A8 is equaled only by other
>top-notch Germans.
>
Agreed.
>--
>Mike Smith
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Re: Audi 4 vs. Bmw 3 Series
On Tue, 14 Dec 2004 21:15:56 -0500, Mike Smith
<mike_UNDERSCORE_smith@acm.DOT.org> wrote:
>Cam Newton wrote:
>>
>> I was being facetious about the Volvo. The S40 is a tarted up Mazda 3
>> with a bigger marketing budget, nothing more.
>
>Actually, it's a tarted-up Ford Focus.
Indeed. And the Foucs has such good optics. Not too many recalls, the
work is not that shoddy, the final assembly is pretty OK, fit and
finish is ... Ford-like.
>
> > Volvo is not anywhere near where it was nor where it thinks it
>> is. When i went to kick tires at the local Volvo shop the guy said the
>> S60 was = to an A8. I guess he had never seen an A8. The S60 on a good
>> day is an A6 stripper.
>
>I would say more like S80 ~= A6. The A8 is equaled only by other
>top-notch Germans.
>
Agreed.
>--
>Mike Smith
<mike_UNDERSCORE_smith@acm.DOT.org> wrote:
>Cam Newton wrote:
>>
>> I was being facetious about the Volvo. The S40 is a tarted up Mazda 3
>> with a bigger marketing budget, nothing more.
>
>Actually, it's a tarted-up Ford Focus.
Indeed. And the Foucs has such good optics. Not too many recalls, the
work is not that shoddy, the final assembly is pretty OK, fit and
finish is ... Ford-like.
>
> > Volvo is not anywhere near where it was nor where it thinks it
>> is. When i went to kick tires at the local Volvo shop the guy said the
>> S60 was = to an A8. I guess he had never seen an A8. The S60 on a good
>> day is an A6 stripper.
>
>I would say more like S80 ~= A6. The A8 is equaled only by other
>top-notch Germans.
>
Agreed.
>--
>Mike Smith
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Re: Audi 4 vs. Bmw 3 Series
On Tue, 14 Dec 2004 21:15:56 -0500, Mike Smith
<mike_UNDERSCORE_smith@acm.DOT.org> wrote:
>Cam Newton wrote:
>>
>> I was being facetious about the Volvo. The S40 is a tarted up Mazda 3
>> with a bigger marketing budget, nothing more.
>
>Actually, it's a tarted-up Ford Focus.
Indeed. And the Foucs has such good optics. Not too many recalls, the
work is not that shoddy, the final assembly is pretty OK, fit and
finish is ... Ford-like.
>
> > Volvo is not anywhere near where it was nor where it thinks it
>> is. When i went to kick tires at the local Volvo shop the guy said the
>> S60 was = to an A8. I guess he had never seen an A8. The S60 on a good
>> day is an A6 stripper.
>
>I would say more like S80 ~= A6. The A8 is equaled only by other
>top-notch Germans.
>
Agreed.
>--
>Mike Smith
<mike_UNDERSCORE_smith@acm.DOT.org> wrote:
>Cam Newton wrote:
>>
>> I was being facetious about the Volvo. The S40 is a tarted up Mazda 3
>> with a bigger marketing budget, nothing more.
>
>Actually, it's a tarted-up Ford Focus.
Indeed. And the Foucs has such good optics. Not too many recalls, the
work is not that shoddy, the final assembly is pretty OK, fit and
finish is ... Ford-like.
>
> > Volvo is not anywhere near where it was nor where it thinks it
>> is. When i went to kick tires at the local Volvo shop the guy said the
>> S60 was = to an A8. I guess he had never seen an A8. The S60 on a good
>> day is an A6 stripper.
>
>I would say more like S80 ~= A6. The A8 is equaled only by other
>top-notch Germans.
>
Agreed.
>--
>Mike Smith
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Re: Audi 4 vs. Bmw 3 Series
>The S40 is a tarted up Mazda 3
Sure, if you forget about the bigger, better engines (especially the T5), the
avaliablility if AWD on the S40 or the much nicer interior the Volvo enjoys.
>Volvo is not anywhere near where it was nor where it thinks it
>is.
Well, I'd mostly agree with that. I know that the C70 and S80 have both been
extremely problematic vehicles. However, the S60, which was the first Volvo
sedan designed under Ford, is in fact the most reliable car/wagon they've built
in several years - the S40 notwisthsatdning because it's so new and the XC90
because it's....not a car, well, not entirely a car, it is S80 based.
> When i went to kick tires at the local Volvo shop the guy said the
>S60 was = to an A8.
They'll make all kinds of bullshit claims to sell their cars. The local BMW
dealer swears his cars are superior to Porsches and that the "toyish" X3 is
superior to the Touraeg.
Steve Grauman
Sure, if you forget about the bigger, better engines (especially the T5), the
avaliablility if AWD on the S40 or the much nicer interior the Volvo enjoys.
>Volvo is not anywhere near where it was nor where it thinks it
>is.
Well, I'd mostly agree with that. I know that the C70 and S80 have both been
extremely problematic vehicles. However, the S60, which was the first Volvo
sedan designed under Ford, is in fact the most reliable car/wagon they've built
in several years - the S40 notwisthsatdning because it's so new and the XC90
because it's....not a car, well, not entirely a car, it is S80 based.
> When i went to kick tires at the local Volvo shop the guy said the
>S60 was = to an A8.
They'll make all kinds of bullshit claims to sell their cars. The local BMW
dealer swears his cars are superior to Porsches and that the "toyish" X3 is
superior to the Touraeg.
Steve Grauman
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Re: Audi 4 vs. Bmw 3 Series
>The S40 is a tarted up Mazda 3
Sure, if you forget about the bigger, better engines (especially the T5), the
avaliablility if AWD on the S40 or the much nicer interior the Volvo enjoys.
>Volvo is not anywhere near where it was nor where it thinks it
>is.
Well, I'd mostly agree with that. I know that the C70 and S80 have both been
extremely problematic vehicles. However, the S60, which was the first Volvo
sedan designed under Ford, is in fact the most reliable car/wagon they've built
in several years - the S40 notwisthsatdning because it's so new and the XC90
because it's....not a car, well, not entirely a car, it is S80 based.
> When i went to kick tires at the local Volvo shop the guy said the
>S60 was = to an A8.
They'll make all kinds of bullshit claims to sell their cars. The local BMW
dealer swears his cars are superior to Porsches and that the "toyish" X3 is
superior to the Touraeg.
Steve Grauman
Sure, if you forget about the bigger, better engines (especially the T5), the
avaliablility if AWD on the S40 or the much nicer interior the Volvo enjoys.
>Volvo is not anywhere near where it was nor where it thinks it
>is.
Well, I'd mostly agree with that. I know that the C70 and S80 have both been
extremely problematic vehicles. However, the S60, which was the first Volvo
sedan designed under Ford, is in fact the most reliable car/wagon they've built
in several years - the S40 notwisthsatdning because it's so new and the XC90
because it's....not a car, well, not entirely a car, it is S80 based.
> When i went to kick tires at the local Volvo shop the guy said the
>S60 was = to an A8.
They'll make all kinds of bullshit claims to sell their cars. The local BMW
dealer swears his cars are superior to Porsches and that the "toyish" X3 is
superior to the Touraeg.
Steve Grauman
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Re: Audi 4 vs. Bmw 3 Series
>The S40 is a tarted up Mazda 3
Sure, if you forget about the bigger, better engines (especially the T5), the
avaliablility if AWD on the S40 or the much nicer interior the Volvo enjoys.
>Volvo is not anywhere near where it was nor where it thinks it
>is.
Well, I'd mostly agree with that. I know that the C70 and S80 have both been
extremely problematic vehicles. However, the S60, which was the first Volvo
sedan designed under Ford, is in fact the most reliable car/wagon they've built
in several years - the S40 notwisthsatdning because it's so new and the XC90
because it's....not a car, well, not entirely a car, it is S80 based.
> When i went to kick tires at the local Volvo shop the guy said the
>S60 was = to an A8.
They'll make all kinds of bullshit claims to sell their cars. The local BMW
dealer swears his cars are superior to Porsches and that the "toyish" X3 is
superior to the Touraeg.
Steve Grauman
Sure, if you forget about the bigger, better engines (especially the T5), the
avaliablility if AWD on the S40 or the much nicer interior the Volvo enjoys.
>Volvo is not anywhere near where it was nor where it thinks it
>is.
Well, I'd mostly agree with that. I know that the C70 and S80 have both been
extremely problematic vehicles. However, the S60, which was the first Volvo
sedan designed under Ford, is in fact the most reliable car/wagon they've built
in several years - the S40 notwisthsatdning because it's so new and the XC90
because it's....not a car, well, not entirely a car, it is S80 based.
> When i went to kick tires at the local Volvo shop the guy said the
>S60 was = to an A8.
They'll make all kinds of bullshit claims to sell their cars. The local BMW
dealer swears his cars are superior to Porsches and that the "toyish" X3 is
superior to the Touraeg.
Steve Grauman
