Re: 2006 AC Check engine light (help with dealer)
Keep on Plonkin' wrote: > "Ed Pirrero" <gcmschemist@gmail.com> wrote in message > news:1166106834.324139.10500@f1g2000cwa.googlegrou ps.com... > > > > agbiggs@hotmail.com wrote: > >> A great car but the poor reliabiliity and > >> cost of repairs make things a real problem. > >> > > > > What reliability? The car went back and forth OK, right? > > > > I can see the CEL as a hassle, and I wouldn't like it either. But > > there's some problem that needs fixing there, no doubt. > > > > If you think the cost of repairs are high for Audi, then you have no > > idea what car repair costs these days. > > > > Oh, and you can get that headlamp assembly used for MUCH MUCH less than > > that. And they are incredibly easy to DIY install. > > > > E.P. > > This response is meant to be a joke, right? No. > On the CEL problem, check the service records for each visit to see if they > list a specific numerical code that they read (and the computer logged) that > caused the CEL. If the same code recurs each time, then you have a good > argument that they original problem was never fixed. Yes, but the OP didn't mention anything about this. If it's throwing the same code over and over, then there's a problem that needs to be fixed. (I think I said that.) But whether or not the deal has to honor the warranty - they can say no. And so can Audi NA. That's why when you buy a used car, you have to be extraordinarily careful. A lawyer might ultimately be required for this problem. > One way to prevent this is to tell them not to do any work (other than > diagnosis) and then get their story before you authorize the repair (and > possibly a big bill). And this isn't only for Audi. Works for all makes. > And if the dealer is non-responsive, take your complaint to Audi > corporate--there will be a procedure in your owner's manual. You may get > satisfaction from Audi of America (or Audi of whichever country you are in). Seems unlikely. Audi NA ain't that hot. > > On the headlamp assembly, a DIY install is probably beyond many Audi owners, > esp. when most require that you drop the bumper to get at the headlamp > assembly. Says who? *Most* do *not* require dropping the bumper. I can do my 1995 S6 headlights in about 15 minutes with a #2 Phillips screwdriver. No other tools required, and certainly no bumper drop! Unless you have the Bentley open in front of you, you have no idea. > The OP is right, Audis (and VWs) have some great attributes, but their > reliability is not up to even the worst US models and far behind the > Japanese. Now you're just entering into fantasy. How is it, do you think, that I've owned a million miles worth of Audis, and not had the reliability hassles I had with the American and Japanese cars I owned? I have 500k miles of Audis currently in the stable, and they all run great, and keep on going, even after some pretty severe use. > And the dealer service network is spotty-- sometimes good, most > times poor. Here's where we agree 100%. > I'm on my fourth VW/Audi, and would not recommend one to > someone who is not capable of complex service and repair on their own, and > even with my tools and capabilities I always have a good independent > mechanic I can fall back on when the work is beyond my capability. Either I have had very good luck, or you are exaggerating. > And I would never rely upon a VW/Audi as my only source of automotive > transportation. I also own a Ford Escape, which has had only two minor > component failures (one out of warranty) in almost 90,000 miles of driving. I consider a 90k Audi barely broken in. I have two well over 200k, and they are both daily drivers. Audis are all we have, and we have been stranded ONCE. Fuel pump went out at 200k miles. I got no problem with a 200k fuel pump. And I have heard stories about fuel pump issues in Ford/GM cars that require the gas tank to be removed to replace a $500 pump. Not even the Bosch 044 Motorsport pump is that expensive. (Used on 400+HP modded turbo I5 Audis.) My American cars used to crap out on a regular basis, and the one Accord that I had was such a junker I didn't trust it to roll down the driveway under gravity power. E.P. |
Re: 2006 AC Check engine light (help with dealer)
Keep on Plonkin' wrote: > "Ed Pirrero" <gcmschemist@gmail.com> wrote in message > news:1166106834.324139.10500@f1g2000cwa.googlegrou ps.com... > > > > agbiggs@hotmail.com wrote: > >> A great car but the poor reliabiliity and > >> cost of repairs make things a real problem. > >> > > > > What reliability? The car went back and forth OK, right? > > > > I can see the CEL as a hassle, and I wouldn't like it either. But > > there's some problem that needs fixing there, no doubt. > > > > If you think the cost of repairs are high for Audi, then you have no > > idea what car repair costs these days. > > > > Oh, and you can get that headlamp assembly used for MUCH MUCH less than > > that. And they are incredibly easy to DIY install. > > > > E.P. > > This response is meant to be a joke, right? No. > On the CEL problem, check the service records for each visit to see if they > list a specific numerical code that they read (and the computer logged) that > caused the CEL. If the same code recurs each time, then you have a good > argument that they original problem was never fixed. Yes, but the OP didn't mention anything about this. If it's throwing the same code over and over, then there's a problem that needs to be fixed. (I think I said that.) But whether or not the deal has to honor the warranty - they can say no. And so can Audi NA. That's why when you buy a used car, you have to be extraordinarily careful. A lawyer might ultimately be required for this problem. > One way to prevent this is to tell them not to do any work (other than > diagnosis) and then get their story before you authorize the repair (and > possibly a big bill). And this isn't only for Audi. Works for all makes. > And if the dealer is non-responsive, take your complaint to Audi > corporate--there will be a procedure in your owner's manual. You may get > satisfaction from Audi of America (or Audi of whichever country you are in). Seems unlikely. Audi NA ain't that hot. > > On the headlamp assembly, a DIY install is probably beyond many Audi owners, > esp. when most require that you drop the bumper to get at the headlamp > assembly. Says who? *Most* do *not* require dropping the bumper. I can do my 1995 S6 headlights in about 15 minutes with a #2 Phillips screwdriver. No other tools required, and certainly no bumper drop! Unless you have the Bentley open in front of you, you have no idea. > The OP is right, Audis (and VWs) have some great attributes, but their > reliability is not up to even the worst US models and far behind the > Japanese. Now you're just entering into fantasy. How is it, do you think, that I've owned a million miles worth of Audis, and not had the reliability hassles I had with the American and Japanese cars I owned? I have 500k miles of Audis currently in the stable, and they all run great, and keep on going, even after some pretty severe use. > And the dealer service network is spotty-- sometimes good, most > times poor. Here's where we agree 100%. > I'm on my fourth VW/Audi, and would not recommend one to > someone who is not capable of complex service and repair on their own, and > even with my tools and capabilities I always have a good independent > mechanic I can fall back on when the work is beyond my capability. Either I have had very good luck, or you are exaggerating. > And I would never rely upon a VW/Audi as my only source of automotive > transportation. I also own a Ford Escape, which has had only two minor > component failures (one out of warranty) in almost 90,000 miles of driving. I consider a 90k Audi barely broken in. I have two well over 200k, and they are both daily drivers. Audis are all we have, and we have been stranded ONCE. Fuel pump went out at 200k miles. I got no problem with a 200k fuel pump. And I have heard stories about fuel pump issues in Ford/GM cars that require the gas tank to be removed to replace a $500 pump. Not even the Bosch 044 Motorsport pump is that expensive. (Used on 400+HP modded turbo I5 Audis.) My American cars used to crap out on a regular basis, and the one Accord that I had was such a junker I didn't trust it to roll down the driveway under gravity power. E.P. |
Re: 2006 AC Check engine light (help with dealer)
Keep on Plonkin' wrote: > "Ed Pirrero" <gcmschemist@gmail.com> wrote in message > news:1166106834.324139.10500@f1g2000cwa.googlegrou ps.com... > > > > agbiggs@hotmail.com wrote: > >> A great car but the poor reliabiliity and > >> cost of repairs make things a real problem. > >> > > > > What reliability? The car went back and forth OK, right? > > > > I can see the CEL as a hassle, and I wouldn't like it either. But > > there's some problem that needs fixing there, no doubt. > > > > If you think the cost of repairs are high for Audi, then you have no > > idea what car repair costs these days. > > > > Oh, and you can get that headlamp assembly used for MUCH MUCH less than > > that. And they are incredibly easy to DIY install. > > > > E.P. > > This response is meant to be a joke, right? No. > On the CEL problem, check the service records for each visit to see if they > list a specific numerical code that they read (and the computer logged) that > caused the CEL. If the same code recurs each time, then you have a good > argument that they original problem was never fixed. Yes, but the OP didn't mention anything about this. If it's throwing the same code over and over, then there's a problem that needs to be fixed. (I think I said that.) But whether or not the deal has to honor the warranty - they can say no. And so can Audi NA. That's why when you buy a used car, you have to be extraordinarily careful. A lawyer might ultimately be required for this problem. > One way to prevent this is to tell them not to do any work (other than > diagnosis) and then get their story before you authorize the repair (and > possibly a big bill). And this isn't only for Audi. Works for all makes. > And if the dealer is non-responsive, take your complaint to Audi > corporate--there will be a procedure in your owner's manual. You may get > satisfaction from Audi of America (or Audi of whichever country you are in). Seems unlikely. Audi NA ain't that hot. > > On the headlamp assembly, a DIY install is probably beyond many Audi owners, > esp. when most require that you drop the bumper to get at the headlamp > assembly. Says who? *Most* do *not* require dropping the bumper. I can do my 1995 S6 headlights in about 15 minutes with a #2 Phillips screwdriver. No other tools required, and certainly no bumper drop! Unless you have the Bentley open in front of you, you have no idea. > The OP is right, Audis (and VWs) have some great attributes, but their > reliability is not up to even the worst US models and far behind the > Japanese. Now you're just entering into fantasy. How is it, do you think, that I've owned a million miles worth of Audis, and not had the reliability hassles I had with the American and Japanese cars I owned? I have 500k miles of Audis currently in the stable, and they all run great, and keep on going, even after some pretty severe use. > And the dealer service network is spotty-- sometimes good, most > times poor. Here's where we agree 100%. > I'm on my fourth VW/Audi, and would not recommend one to > someone who is not capable of complex service and repair on their own, and > even with my tools and capabilities I always have a good independent > mechanic I can fall back on when the work is beyond my capability. Either I have had very good luck, or you are exaggerating. > And I would never rely upon a VW/Audi as my only source of automotive > transportation. I also own a Ford Escape, which has had only two minor > component failures (one out of warranty) in almost 90,000 miles of driving. I consider a 90k Audi barely broken in. I have two well over 200k, and they are both daily drivers. Audis are all we have, and we have been stranded ONCE. Fuel pump went out at 200k miles. I got no problem with a 200k fuel pump. And I have heard stories about fuel pump issues in Ford/GM cars that require the gas tank to be removed to replace a $500 pump. Not even the Bosch 044 Motorsport pump is that expensive. (Used on 400+HP modded turbo I5 Audis.) My American cars used to crap out on a regular basis, and the one Accord that I had was such a junker I didn't trust it to roll down the driveway under gravity power. E.P. |
Re: 2006 AC Check engine light (help with dealer)
On 14 Dec 2006 10:59:16 -0800, "Ed Pirrero" <gcmschemist@gmail.com>
wrote: >I consider a 90k Audi barely broken in. I have two well over 200k, and >they are both daily drivers. Audis are all we have, and we have been >stranded ONCE. Fuel pump went out at 200k miles. I got no problem >with a 200k fuel pump. And I have heard stories about fuel pump issues >in Ford/GM cars that require the gas tank to be removed to replace a >$500 pump. Not even the Bosch 044 Motorsport pump is that expensive. >(Used on 400+HP modded turbo I5 Audis.) Ed, I'm very happy to see this: I'm running a 98.5 A4Q 2.8 machine with 104k miles, and it feels really good still. I plan to replace all the struts next year when I replace the tires (I'm seeing some tire slap), and I see no reason not to keep driving this baby. I'm still on the original clutch! So, thanks: I plan to break 200K miles with this car, if I can. |
Re: 2006 AC Check engine light (help with dealer)
On 14 Dec 2006 10:59:16 -0800, "Ed Pirrero" <gcmschemist@gmail.com>
wrote: >I consider a 90k Audi barely broken in. I have two well over 200k, and >they are both daily drivers. Audis are all we have, and we have been >stranded ONCE. Fuel pump went out at 200k miles. I got no problem >with a 200k fuel pump. And I have heard stories about fuel pump issues >in Ford/GM cars that require the gas tank to be removed to replace a >$500 pump. Not even the Bosch 044 Motorsport pump is that expensive. >(Used on 400+HP modded turbo I5 Audis.) Ed, I'm very happy to see this: I'm running a 98.5 A4Q 2.8 machine with 104k miles, and it feels really good still. I plan to replace all the struts next year when I replace the tires (I'm seeing some tire slap), and I see no reason not to keep driving this baby. I'm still on the original clutch! So, thanks: I plan to break 200K miles with this car, if I can. |
Re: 2006 AC Check engine light (help with dealer)
On 14 Dec 2006 10:59:16 -0800, "Ed Pirrero" <gcmschemist@gmail.com>
wrote: >I consider a 90k Audi barely broken in. I have two well over 200k, and >they are both daily drivers. Audis are all we have, and we have been >stranded ONCE. Fuel pump went out at 200k miles. I got no problem >with a 200k fuel pump. And I have heard stories about fuel pump issues >in Ford/GM cars that require the gas tank to be removed to replace a >$500 pump. Not even the Bosch 044 Motorsport pump is that expensive. >(Used on 400+HP modded turbo I5 Audis.) Ed, I'm very happy to see this: I'm running a 98.5 A4Q 2.8 machine with 104k miles, and it feels really good still. I plan to replace all the struts next year when I replace the tires (I'm seeing some tire slap), and I see no reason not to keep driving this baby. I'm still on the original clutch! So, thanks: I plan to break 200K miles with this car, if I can. |
Re: 2006 AC Check engine light (help with dealer)
On 14 Dec 2006 10:59:16 -0800, "Ed Pirrero" <gcmschemist@gmail.com>
wrote: >I consider a 90k Audi barely broken in. I have two well over 200k, and >they are both daily drivers. Audis are all we have, and we have been >stranded ONCE. Fuel pump went out at 200k miles. I got no problem >with a 200k fuel pump. And I have heard stories about fuel pump issues >in Ford/GM cars that require the gas tank to be removed to replace a >$500 pump. Not even the Bosch 044 Motorsport pump is that expensive. >(Used on 400+HP modded turbo I5 Audis.) Ed, I'm very happy to see this: I'm running a 98.5 A4Q 2.8 machine with 104k miles, and it feels really good still. I plan to replace all the struts next year when I replace the tires (I'm seeing some tire slap), and I see no reason not to keep driving this baby. I'm still on the original clutch! So, thanks: I plan to break 200K miles with this car, if I can. |
Re: 2006 AC Check engine light (help with dealer)
In article <1166104727.209665.11400@73g2000cwn.googlegroups.c om>,
"agbiggs@hotmail.com" <agbiggs@hotmail.com> wrote: > I talked to my dealer about this yesterday. Their claim is that since a > number of things can cause the check engine light to come on, it's a > new problem rather than an ongoing problem that was never fixed. That's > a bit hard to believe, but I wasn't in the mood to fight it and paid > the $300 bill. I'm only hoping the fix will stay fixed for a while so I > can trade it in. I don't mind minor problems when it's under warranty, > but out of warranty things get really expensive. > > Example: A small plastic gear was missing from the top of the headlight > mechanism, which is used to 'steer' the light. As a result, it was > mis-pointed and wouldn't pass inspection. So you'd replace the 5-cent > gear, right? Nope. Audi says you have to replace the entire headlight > structure at a cost of $1300. Between this problem and the check engine > light, I'm pretty much done. A great car but the poor reliabiliity and > cost of repairs make things a real problem. > > Thanks for the help; much appreciated. > > Andrew Take the gear off the other headlight and have a machinist or clocksmith replicate it. |
Re: 2006 AC Check engine light (help with dealer)
In article <1166104727.209665.11400@73g2000cwn.googlegroups.c om>,
"agbiggs@hotmail.com" <agbiggs@hotmail.com> wrote: > I talked to my dealer about this yesterday. Their claim is that since a > number of things can cause the check engine light to come on, it's a > new problem rather than an ongoing problem that was never fixed. That's > a bit hard to believe, but I wasn't in the mood to fight it and paid > the $300 bill. I'm only hoping the fix will stay fixed for a while so I > can trade it in. I don't mind minor problems when it's under warranty, > but out of warranty things get really expensive. > > Example: A small plastic gear was missing from the top of the headlight > mechanism, which is used to 'steer' the light. As a result, it was > mis-pointed and wouldn't pass inspection. So you'd replace the 5-cent > gear, right? Nope. Audi says you have to replace the entire headlight > structure at a cost of $1300. Between this problem and the check engine > light, I'm pretty much done. A great car but the poor reliabiliity and > cost of repairs make things a real problem. > > Thanks for the help; much appreciated. > > Andrew Take the gear off the other headlight and have a machinist or clocksmith replicate it. |
Re: 2006 AC Check engine light (help with dealer)
In article <1166104727.209665.11400@73g2000cwn.googlegroups.c om>,
"agbiggs@hotmail.com" <agbiggs@hotmail.com> wrote: > I talked to my dealer about this yesterday. Their claim is that since a > number of things can cause the check engine light to come on, it's a > new problem rather than an ongoing problem that was never fixed. That's > a bit hard to believe, but I wasn't in the mood to fight it and paid > the $300 bill. I'm only hoping the fix will stay fixed for a while so I > can trade it in. I don't mind minor problems when it's under warranty, > but out of warranty things get really expensive. > > Example: A small plastic gear was missing from the top of the headlight > mechanism, which is used to 'steer' the light. As a result, it was > mis-pointed and wouldn't pass inspection. So you'd replace the 5-cent > gear, right? Nope. Audi says you have to replace the entire headlight > structure at a cost of $1300. Between this problem and the check engine > light, I'm pretty much done. A great car but the poor reliabiliity and > cost of repairs make things a real problem. > > Thanks for the help; much appreciated. > > Andrew Take the gear off the other headlight and have a machinist or clocksmith replicate it. |
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