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09-19-2011, 09:10 PM
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emit this !!
If you love it and you own it, wouldn’t you want to keep it? and have it last?
For a true fanatic of all the fine carts that have been invented since we invented the wheel, why have we lost “touch” with our cars?
As we refined our style into stunning creations of the modern era, we also capitalized on an improved engineering ability....pushing the modern car to a point where the CAR is now something foreign to most men one generation behind.
With the specialized tools, dependency on processors and compressed design under the hood, the modern car (which is beautiful still) has moved away from that object in the driveway, where men could be found, spending hours at a time, with his hands deep into the beasts iron heart.
The subtle purr of the engine had its own accent, and you could tell it apart from any other of the same make.
And now in a land where information is king we have all the information but no way of reading it.
Who here can pull out a copy of their Vehicle Emission Inspection Report and know what the value “85” means for their HC ppm result at the 2 speed idle inspection. The phrase itself sounds like a mouthful of technical jargon that makes me sleepy.
I know I can’t tell... even if I go to the drive clean website there is no easy reference for the single sheet of paper that most of us will ever hold that make s us familiar with the “drive clean “program. = The Emissions Test.
So I appeal to my fellow car enthusiasts.
How do I “decode” what the emission test tells me about how my car is running...if the values being read are good, bad or fair?
For a true fanatic of all the fine carts that have been invented since we invented the wheel, why have we lost “touch” with our cars?
As we refined our style into stunning creations of the modern era, we also capitalized on an improved engineering ability....pushing the modern car to a point where the CAR is now something foreign to most men one generation behind.
With the specialized tools, dependency on processors and compressed design under the hood, the modern car (which is beautiful still) has moved away from that object in the driveway, where men could be found, spending hours at a time, with his hands deep into the beasts iron heart.
The subtle purr of the engine had its own accent, and you could tell it apart from any other of the same make.
And now in a land where information is king we have all the information but no way of reading it.
Who here can pull out a copy of their Vehicle Emission Inspection Report and know what the value “85” means for their HC ppm result at the 2 speed idle inspection. The phrase itself sounds like a mouthful of technical jargon that makes me sleepy.
I know I can’t tell... even if I go to the drive clean website there is no easy reference for the single sheet of paper that most of us will ever hold that make s us familiar with the “drive clean “program. = The Emissions Test.
So I appeal to my fellow car enthusiasts.
How do I “decode” what the emission test tells me about how my car is running...if the values being read are good, bad or fair?
09-28-2011, 02:29 PM
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Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Toronto
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Re: emit this !!
I believe HC ppm means Hydro-carbons Parts Per Million which means you have 85 hydro carbon parts per million. The province arbitrarily decides how many are ok and how many are too much.
Typically, HCs are a result of the engine running too rich or incomplete combustion.
HCs are measured at idle and at a higher rpm (forget the exact range). Most failures occur at idle. As for the cause? Could be many things.
As for the others, there's CO (carbon monoxide) and NO (nitrogen oxide).
Carbon monoxide is a by-product of incomplete combustion as well.
Nitrogen oxide emissions are the result of high combustion chamber. NO readings go up whenever there are hot spots that exceed about 2400 degrees. Things like high compression and lean mixtures contribute to high chamber temps, as does over-advanced ignition timing.
Typically, HCs are a result of the engine running too rich or incomplete combustion.
HCs are measured at idle and at a higher rpm (forget the exact range). Most failures occur at idle. As for the cause? Could be many things.
As for the others, there's CO (carbon monoxide) and NO (nitrogen oxide).
Carbon monoxide is a by-product of incomplete combustion as well.
Nitrogen oxide emissions are the result of high combustion chamber. NO readings go up whenever there are hot spots that exceed about 2400 degrees. Things like high compression and lean mixtures contribute to high chamber temps, as does over-advanced ignition timing.
Last edited by Axel; 09-28-2011 at 02:37 PM.
09-28-2011, 04:12 PM
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Re: emit this !!
I like the provincial application of the word "arbitrary"
LOL.
I wish I could use that term in my day to day affairs as a business-man.
...the way I see it, the emission report is a good opportunity to "see" how the car is running. In my day, the spark plugs would be the "finger-print" ... yielding insight into the running conditions.
My E-Test report states the following, before a tune up?
2500 RPM:
HC ppm 86 - limit 150
CO%: 0.45 - limit 0.70
Idle:
HC ppm 84 - limit 150
CO%: 0.08 - limit 0.70
It passes, with a comfortable margin
LOL.
I wish I could use that term in my day to day affairs as a business-man.
...the way I see it, the emission report is a good opportunity to "see" how the car is running. In my day, the spark plugs would be the "finger-print" ... yielding insight into the running conditions.
My E-Test report states the following, before a tune up?
2500 RPM:
HC ppm 86 - limit 150
CO%: 0.45 - limit 0.70
Idle:
HC ppm 84 - limit 150
CO%: 0.08 - limit 0.70
It passes, with a comfortable margin
09-29-2011, 11:22 AM
#4
Audi Forum - Posts like an A5
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Toronto
Posts: 315
Re: emit this !!
The way I see it, that decision is completely and arbitrary one. If the greens are voted in next month, they'll probably lower it some more (I know, better odds of winning the lottery). Whereas if the PC get in, they probably won't touch it.
