Ronny

"daytripper" <day_trippr@REMOVEyahoo.com> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 17 Jan 2009 17:56:41 -0800, Kevin McMurtrie <kevinmcm@sonic.net>
> wrote:
>
>>In article <15f4n4t5nu82rqr88qksuag6027ccnigse@4ax.com>,
>> Ed H. <nospam@myaddress.net> wrote:
>>
>>> I was specing out a 2009 A4 (US model) and the std transmission
>>> isn't an option, just the tiptronic and the variable thing,
>>> neither of which interest me in the slightest. I noticed BMW
>>> still has a 6 speed.
>>>
>>> I hope Audi sees the error of their ways and puts it back, or
>>> they can forget the sports sedan segment.
>>
>>Nobody in the US knows how to drive a manual. Traffic is also bad
>>enough that your left leg gets really tired.
>
> Complete bullshit. Owning both, I'd rather drive a manual in stop 'n' go
> traffic then an automagic - because if you have a clue, there's way less
> standing on pedals with the former than the latter...
>
> /daytripper
> '00 s4 6spd

I have a clue and can tell you after owning over 30 manual cars and driving
in uk traffic an auto is much easier than a manual, there is also more pedal
standing on a manual, there has to be as it has 3 pedals, so even if you
just crawling you still have to use your left leg to control the clutch
which is always harder to depress than the accelerator or brake pedal.

It's a no brainer when you think about it, now back to the topic, over here
we get a choice of 28 different engine versions of the A4, all come with
manual 6sp or tip, can you not order direct from Audi in Europe and get it
shipped to you.???

Ronny

"Dano58" <dan.dibiase@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Jan 18, 2:23 am, Kevin McMurtrie <kevin...@sonic.net> wrote:

> DSG has superior control and efficiency compared to most automatics but it
> is no manual.

>It absolutely IS a manual transmission, it just has an automated
>clutch. No torque converter, which is what automatics have.

It has no clutch which is engaged when you depress a foot pedal, how it does
it's trickery makes no difference it's still an automatic.

wtrplnet

"Pete" <noname@nodomain.com> wrote in message
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> Ed H. wrote:
>
>> I was specing out a 2009 A4 (US model) and the std transmission
>> isn't an option, just the tiptronic and the variable thing,
>> neither of which interest me in the slightest. I noticed BMW
>> still has a 6 speed.
>>
>> I hope Audi sees the error of their ways and puts it back, or
>> they can forget the sports sedan segment.
>
> It is possible to order it with a manual tranny, at least the 2.0T
> sedan one, but you might have to place an order for with with the
> dealer directly. I've seen people on AudiWorld talk about. Apparently
> it's not an option on audiusa.com.
>
>
> --
> Pete

The manual will be available on the 2.0 in the US. The bulk of cars shipped
early have the automatic because most people would pick that anyway. The
pricing I've seen has the same list price for the manual or the auto. That
would be unusual though. A4's in the US have always been available with a
manual, I doubt that will change now.

Alan

G-man uk

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Kevin McMurtrie wrote:

> DSG has superior control and efficiency compared to most automatics but
> it is no manual. The shifting speed is terrible. It can transition
> from one gear shaft to the other in a few milliseconds but actually
> changing the gears takes more like 500ms each. Going from 5th to 3rd
> takes one second. Moving the gear shift from "D" to "S" puts my A3 in
> neutral for about 2 seconds. A hard stop at 30 MPH leaves me in neutral
> while the transmission clicks down to 1st. That's pretty bad.
>
> The "S" mode reduces lag by making the other shaft a lower gear when it
> can. It's responsive but the cost is clumsy upshifting that's not good
> for normal driving.

I must admit I haven't had those problems with my S-tronic. The
shifting speed is very good although it doesn't get it right on the odd
occasion. Definitely don't get the 2 second neutral issue.

Steve Daniels

On Sat, 17 Jan 2009 23:23:43 -0800, against all advice, something
compelled Kevin McMurtrie <kevinmcm@sonic.net>, to say:

> In article <nih5n4prie2auo69o9lbn7ep3pmrfa9fa3@4ax.com>,
> Steve Daniels <sdaniels@gorge.net> wrote:
>
> > On Sat, 17 Jan 2009 17:56:41 -0800, against all advice, something
> > compelled Kevin McMurtrie <kevinmcm@sonic.net>, to say:
> >
> > > In article <15f4n4t5nu82rqr88qksuag6027ccnigse@4ax.com>,
> > > Ed H. <nospam@myaddress.net> wrote:
> > >

> > > Nobody in the US knows how to drive a manual.
> >
> > Ahem.
> >
> > I do.
> >
> > That being said, the DSG transmission in my TT is simply
> > brilliant. In sport mode, it picks better shift points than I
> > do, and I would quite happily drive one for the rest of my life.
>
> DSG has superior control and efficiency compared to most automatics but
> it is no manual.

Didn't say it was.

> The shifting speed is terrible.

It shifts faster than I am willing to.

> It can transition
> from one gear shaft to the other in a few milliseconds but actually
> changing the gears takes more like 500ms each. Going from 5th to 3rd
> takes one second. Moving the gear shift from "D" to "S" puts my A3 in
> neutral for about 2 seconds. A hard stop at 30 MPH leaves me in neutral
> while the transmission clicks down to 1st. That's pretty bad.

If I have to make a hard stop from 30 MPH, chances are I'll be
spending those two seconds gathering my wits and checking my
shorts for unwelcome emissions.

>
> The "S" mode reduces lag by making the other shaft a lower gear when it
> can. It's responsive but the cost is clumsy upshifting that's not good
> for normal driving.


S mode is not for normal driving.

If I have a complaint, it's that S mode is over the top. I don't
want to wind it out in every gear on its way to the top speed.
There should be a Poser mode, which would be more aggressive than
normal mode, but not a banshee run to redline in every gear.

>
>
> > > Traffic is also bad
> > > enough that your left leg gets really tired.
> >
> > Not where I live, but if it were, that would be another nod to
> > the DSG.
>
> Lucky you. It's painful to have fast car that's only good for staring
> at the back of an unbroken stream of slow cars.


I'll bet. My commute is seventeen miles of two lane country
highway, and I usually have the road to myself. The downside is
that there are few roads, so the concentration of cops is high on
the roads that do exist. And, to my sorrow, I've found that they
do not accept Because It's Fun as an acceptable excuse.



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