On 15 Nov 2005 06:01:49 -0800, "Dano58" <dan.dibiase@gmail.com> wrote:

>Curtis, you are assuming that Audi is right! Ref. sludge issues in the
>1.8t engines, caused, in part, by their 10k interval recommended oil
>changes with conventional oil. They now recommend synthetic and the
>first oil change at 5k, using a larger filter.
>
>There are some things that you just need to do sooner, regardless of
>what the manufacturer says. Timing belts between 60k and 80k and
>frequent (3k - 5k) oil changes are just 2 of them. Sure, you can wait
>until 105k, and if yours goes at 104k and ruins the engine, you can
>debate with Audi for months over replacement (they will be looking for
>a way to get out of it). Or you can do it between 60k and 80k and be
>safe. It's up to you.
>


I won't disagree, in fact, I plan to have the timing belt & water pump
replaced at 80,000 miles; along with the replacement of spark plugs,
etc. I was simply stating what the manual says and what the dealer
told me on the phone about 2 weeks ago.

I am also going to have the "lifetime" transmission fluid replaced at
80,000 miles.

I also change my own oil and replace it every 5,000 miles (using
synthetic and the Audi oil filter)

 

On 15 Nov 2005 06:01:49 -0800, "Dano58" <dan.dibiase@gmail.com> wrote:

>Curtis, you are assuming that Audi is right! Ref. sludge issues in the
>1.8t engines, caused, in part, by their 10k interval recommended oil
>changes with conventional oil. They now recommend synthetic and the
>first oil change at 5k, using a larger filter.
>
>There are some things that you just need to do sooner, regardless of
>what the manufacturer says. Timing belts between 60k and 80k and
>frequent (3k - 5k) oil changes are just 2 of them. Sure, you can wait
>until 105k, and if yours goes at 104k and ruins the engine, you can
>debate with Audi for months over replacement (they will be looking for
>a way to get out of it). Or you can do it between 60k and 80k and be
>safe. It's up to you.
>


I won't disagree, in fact, I plan to have the timing belt & water pump
replaced at 80,000 miles; along with the replacement of spark plugs,
etc. I was simply stating what the manual says and what the dealer
told me on the phone about 2 weeks ago.

I am also going to have the "lifetime" transmission fluid replaced at
80,000 miles.

I also change my own oil and replace it every 5,000 miles (using
synthetic and the Audi oil filter)

 

On 15 Nov 2005 06:01:49 -0800, "Dano58" <dan.dibiase@gmail.com> wrote:

>Curtis, you are assuming that Audi is right! Ref. sludge issues in the
>1.8t engines, caused, in part, by their 10k interval recommended oil
>changes with conventional oil. They now recommend synthetic and the
>first oil change at 5k, using a larger filter.
>
>There are some things that you just need to do sooner, regardless of
>what the manufacturer says. Timing belts between 60k and 80k and
>frequent (3k - 5k) oil changes are just 2 of them. Sure, you can wait
>until 105k, and if yours goes at 104k and ruins the engine, you can
>debate with Audi for months over replacement (they will be looking for
>a way to get out of it). Or you can do it between 60k and 80k and be
>safe. It's up to you.
>


I won't disagree, in fact, I plan to have the timing belt & water pump
replaced at 80,000 miles; along with the replacement of spark plugs,
etc. I was simply stating what the manual says and what the dealer
told me on the phone about 2 weeks ago.

I am also going to have the "lifetime" transmission fluid replaced at
80,000 miles.

I also change my own oil and replace it every 5,000 miles (using
synthetic and the Audi oil filter)

 

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>>>> "Dana" <pperrd@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>>>>> What are the signs of a faulty water pump, my car was running great
>>>>> after the service (there were no temperature problems, any thing to
>>>>> indicate coolant was not flowing properly)
>>>>>
>>>>> Am I missing something?
>>>>>
>>>>> $1,500 is a big bill to pay when you just spent money on a complete
>>>>> service 2 weeks prior.
>>>>>
>>>>> Dana
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> As you have had a new belt fitted the bearings on the water pump tend
>>>> to go, this is due to the "new" amount of pressure put on the water
>>>> pump after the change.
>>>
>>> I doubt that very much.
>>>
>>> Ronald
>>>
>>
>> Why do you doubt it?
>>
>> The belt previously would have stretched, the new belt being tight would
>> cause more load on any pullys the belt runs on.
>>
> No, the belt does not stretch. All the notches are at the exact original
> position.
> No, it is not tighter since it is not tight at all, there is quite some
> slack.
> That's why the tensioner is there.
>
> Water pumps sometimes last a lifetime sometimes not even 10.000 Km.
> My belt came out in perfect condition after 9 years and 150.000 Km.
> My serpentine was blistering but still OK.
> I checked the belt every year, it's easy to spot wear.
>
> Ronald
>

There are plenty of websites around that will tell you a timing belt will
not stretch, there are also plenty that will tell you they do, whatever
happens it is common for a water pump to start to fail after the timing belt
has been replaced, I just mentioned belt stretch but it could be lot's of
other things, including incorrectly fitted belt, wrong belt, wrong length,
this is why it is recommended to change the water pump at the same time.

And you mention it is easy to spot wear, this is incorrect as it is not
easy, the belt has fibre glass inserted into it and this fibre glass becomes
brittle with heat and wear, and starts to snap "internally" so a perfectly
good belt from the outside can still be on the brink of breaking on the
inside.

Perhaps if your going to criticise peoples advice, look it up first.

The theory is the same for Aircraft manufacture, Airbus are now admitting it
will have to check each of it's tail section using other methods rather than
visual inspection, due to "internal break up" which is not noticed from the
outside, perhaps you even work for them and were the person who said "ahh it
looks ok from the outside"

 

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>>>
>>> "Ronny" <Admin@1337hosts.com> wrote in message
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>>>>
>>>> "Dana" <pperrd@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:1131947200.322375.273590@g49g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
>>>>> What are the signs of a faulty water pump, my car was running great
>>>>> after the service (there were no temperature problems, any thing to
>>>>> indicate coolant was not flowing properly)
>>>>>
>>>>> Am I missing something?
>>>>>
>>>>> $1,500 is a big bill to pay when you just spent money on a complete
>>>>> service 2 weeks prior.
>>>>>
>>>>> Dana
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> As you have had a new belt fitted the bearings on the water pump tend
>>>> to go, this is due to the "new" amount of pressure put on the water
>>>> pump after the change.
>>>
>>> I doubt that very much.
>>>
>>> Ronald
>>>
>>
>> Why do you doubt it?
>>
>> The belt previously would have stretched, the new belt being tight would
>> cause more load on any pullys the belt runs on.
>>
> No, the belt does not stretch. All the notches are at the exact original
> position.
> No, it is not tighter since it is not tight at all, there is quite some
> slack.
> That's why the tensioner is there.
>
> Water pumps sometimes last a lifetime sometimes not even 10.000 Km.
> My belt came out in perfect condition after 9 years and 150.000 Km.
> My serpentine was blistering but still OK.
> I checked the belt every year, it's easy to spot wear.
>
> Ronald
>

There are plenty of websites around that will tell you a timing belt will
not stretch, there are also plenty that will tell you they do, whatever
happens it is common for a water pump to start to fail after the timing belt
has been replaced, I just mentioned belt stretch but it could be lot's of
other things, including incorrectly fitted belt, wrong belt, wrong length,
this is why it is recommended to change the water pump at the same time.

And you mention it is easy to spot wear, this is incorrect as it is not
easy, the belt has fibre glass inserted into it and this fibre glass becomes
brittle with heat and wear, and starts to snap "internally" so a perfectly
good belt from the outside can still be on the brink of breaking on the
inside.

Perhaps if your going to criticise peoples advice, look it up first.

The theory is the same for Aircraft manufacture, Airbus are now admitting it
will have to check each of it's tail section using other methods rather than
visual inspection, due to "internal break up" which is not noticed from the
outside, perhaps you even work for them and were the person who said "ahh it
looks ok from the outside"

 

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> "Ronny" <Admin@1337hosts.com> wrote in message
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>> "R@L" <reply@usenet.com> wrote in message
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>>>
>>> "Ronny" <Admin@1337hosts.com> wrote in message
>>> news:0uadnQ_366JXXuXenZ2dnUVZ8qSdnZ2d@pipex.net...
>>>>
>>>> "Dana" <pperrd@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:1131947200.322375.273590@g49g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
>>>>> What are the signs of a faulty water pump, my car was running great
>>>>> after the service (there were no temperature problems, any thing to
>>>>> indicate coolant was not flowing properly)
>>>>>
>>>>> Am I missing something?
>>>>>
>>>>> $1,500 is a big bill to pay when you just spent money on a complete
>>>>> service 2 weeks prior.
>>>>>
>>>>> Dana
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> As you have had a new belt fitted the bearings on the water pump tend
>>>> to go, this is due to the "new" amount of pressure put on the water
>>>> pump after the change.
>>>
>>> I doubt that very much.
>>>
>>> Ronald
>>>
>>
>> Why do you doubt it?
>>
>> The belt previously would have stretched, the new belt being tight would
>> cause more load on any pullys the belt runs on.
>>
> No, the belt does not stretch. All the notches are at the exact original
> position.
> No, it is not tighter since it is not tight at all, there is quite some
> slack.
> That's why the tensioner is there.
>
> Water pumps sometimes last a lifetime sometimes not even 10.000 Km.
> My belt came out in perfect condition after 9 years and 150.000 Km.
> My serpentine was blistering but still OK.
> I checked the belt every year, it's easy to spot wear.
>
> Ronald
>

There are plenty of websites around that will tell you a timing belt will
not stretch, there are also plenty that will tell you they do, whatever
happens it is common for a water pump to start to fail after the timing belt
has been replaced, I just mentioned belt stretch but it could be lot's of
other things, including incorrectly fitted belt, wrong belt, wrong length,
this is why it is recommended to change the water pump at the same time.

And you mention it is easy to spot wear, this is incorrect as it is not
easy, the belt has fibre glass inserted into it and this fibre glass becomes
brittle with heat and wear, and starts to snap "internally" so a perfectly
good belt from the outside can still be on the brink of breaking on the
inside.

Perhaps if your going to criticise peoples advice, look it up first.

The theory is the same for Aircraft manufacture, Airbus are now admitting it
will have to check each of it's tail section using other methods rather than
visual inspection, due to "internal break up" which is not noticed from the
outside, perhaps you even work for them and were the person who said "ahh it
looks ok from the outside"

 

"R@L" <reply@usenet.com> wrote in message
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> "Ronny" <Admin@1337hosts.com> wrote in message
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>> "R@L" <reply@usenet.com> wrote in message
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>>>
>>> "Ronny" <Admin@1337hosts.com> wrote in message
>>> news:0uadnQ_366JXXuXenZ2dnUVZ8qSdnZ2d@pipex.net...
>>>>
>>>> "Dana" <pperrd@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:1131947200.322375.273590@g49g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
>>>>> What are the signs of a faulty water pump, my car was running great
>>>>> after the service (there were no temperature problems, any thing to
>>>>> indicate coolant was not flowing properly)
>>>>>
>>>>> Am I missing something?
>>>>>
>>>>> $1,500 is a big bill to pay when you just spent money on a complete
>>>>> service 2 weeks prior.
>>>>>
>>>>> Dana
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> As you have had a new belt fitted the bearings on the water pump tend
>>>> to go, this is due to the "new" amount of pressure put on the water
>>>> pump after the change.
>>>
>>> I doubt that very much.
>>>
>>> Ronald
>>>
>>
>> Why do you doubt it?
>>
>> The belt previously would have stretched, the new belt being tight would
>> cause more load on any pullys the belt runs on.
>>
> No, the belt does not stretch. All the notches are at the exact original
> position.
> No, it is not tighter since it is not tight at all, there is quite some
> slack.
> That's why the tensioner is there.
>
> Water pumps sometimes last a lifetime sometimes not even 10.000 Km.
> My belt came out in perfect condition after 9 years and 150.000 Km.
> My serpentine was blistering but still OK.
> I checked the belt every year, it's easy to spot wear.
>
> Ronald
>

There are plenty of websites around that will tell you a timing belt will
not stretch, there are also plenty that will tell you they do, whatever
happens it is common for a water pump to start to fail after the timing belt
has been replaced, I just mentioned belt stretch but it could be lot's of
other things, including incorrectly fitted belt, wrong belt, wrong length,
this is why it is recommended to change the water pump at the same time.

And you mention it is easy to spot wear, this is incorrect as it is not
easy, the belt has fibre glass inserted into it and this fibre glass becomes
brittle with heat and wear, and starts to snap "internally" so a perfectly
good belt from the outside can still be on the brink of breaking on the
inside.

Perhaps if your going to criticise peoples advice, look it up first.

The theory is the same for Aircraft manufacture, Airbus are now admitting it
will have to check each of it's tail section using other methods rather than
visual inspection, due to "internal break up" which is not noticed from the
outside, perhaps you even work for them and were the person who said "ahh it
looks ok from the outside"