TT roadster design flaw
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Re: TT roadster design flaw
"Dan405" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
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> > > Yes, about as phenomenal as your spelling. The TT is a piece of
> overpriced
> > > overstyled excuse for a cut down Golf. Audis worst car of recent
times.
> > > Should have been shot at the drawing board, with the designer.
> >
> > >Brrappp<
> >
> > At least do your research first and get the correct floorpan[1] ;o)
> >
> > Betcha even think that it's made in Germany..?
> >
>
> I'm not sure where it was made, but was it designed in a hair salon?
>
Yes. The one next-door to the wine bar.
> --
> Dan
>
>
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> > > Yes, about as phenomenal as your spelling. The TT is a piece of
> overpriced
> > > overstyled excuse for a cut down Golf. Audis worst car of recent
times.
> > > Should have been shot at the drawing board, with the designer.
> >
> > >Brrappp<
> >
> > At least do your research first and get the correct floorpan[1] ;o)
> >
> > Betcha even think that it's made in Germany..?
> >
>
> I'm not sure where it was made, but was it designed in a hair salon?
>
Yes. The one next-door to the wine bar.
> --
> Dan
>
>
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"Jamesy" <beats@rootmeanTHESPAMMINGsquared.co.CUNTSuk > wrote in message
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> "Dan405" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
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> > > > Yes, about as phenomenal as your spelling. The TT is a piece of
> > overpriced
> > > > overstyled excuse for a cut down Golf. Audis worst car of recent
> times.
> > > > Should have been shot at the drawing board, with the designer.
> > >
> > > >Brrappp<
> > >
> > > At least do your research first and get the correct floorpan[1] ;o)
> > >
> > > Betcha even think that it's made in Germany..?
> > >
> >
> > I'm not sure where it was made, but was it designed in a hair salon?
> >
>
> Yes. The one next-door to the wine bar.
This from someone who drives a Volvo with big aftermarket wheels? ;o)
H1K
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> "Dan405" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
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> > > > Yes, about as phenomenal as your spelling. The TT is a piece of
> > overpriced
> > > > overstyled excuse for a cut down Golf. Audis worst car of recent
> times.
> > > > Should have been shot at the drawing board, with the designer.
> > >
> > > >Brrappp<
> > >
> > > At least do your research first and get the correct floorpan[1] ;o)
> > >
> > > Betcha even think that it's made in Germany..?
> > >
> >
> > I'm not sure where it was made, but was it designed in a hair salon?
> >
>
> Yes. The one next-door to the wine bar.
This from someone who drives a Volvo with big aftermarket wheels? ;o)
H1K
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Re: TT roadster design flaw
"Jamesy" <beats@rootmeanTHESPAMMINGsquared.co.CUNTSuk > wrote in message
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> > > "Dan405" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
> > > news:bhucdd$3e50o$1@ID-165560.news.uni-berlin.de...
> > > > > > Yes, about as phenomenal as your spelling. The TT is a piece of
> > > > overpriced
> > > > > > overstyled excuse for a cut down Golf. Audis worst car of recent
> > > times.
> > > > > > Should have been shot at the drawing board, with the designer.
> > > > >
> > > > > >Brrappp<
> > > > >
> > > > > At least do your research first and get the correct floorpan[1]
;o)
> > > > >
> > > > > Betcha even think that it's made in Germany..?
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > I'm not sure where it was made, but was it designed in a hair salon?
>
> > > >
> > >
> > > Yes. The one next-door to the wine bar.
> >
> > This from someone who drives a Volvo with big aftermarket wheels? ;o)
> >
>
> ...and an almost 300bhp engine.
>
> Yes.
Ditto. In a car that doesn't come with a Tonka badge ;o)
OTOH, if you want to see /real/ power in a TT, wait for the latest AmD
mods - the most I've seen from the 1.8 is 350bhp. It's quite quick, mind you
;o)
The twin-turbo V6 should be a wee bit quicker than that..
H1K
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> > > > > > Yes, about as phenomenal as your spelling. The TT is a piece of
> > > > overpriced
> > > > > > overstyled excuse for a cut down Golf. Audis worst car of recent
> > > times.
> > > > > > Should have been shot at the drawing board, with the designer.
> > > > >
> > > > > >Brrappp<
> > > > >
> > > > > At least do your research first and get the correct floorpan[1]
;o)
> > > > >
> > > > > Betcha even think that it's made in Germany..?
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > I'm not sure where it was made, but was it designed in a hair salon?
>
> > > >
> > >
> > > Yes. The one next-door to the wine bar.
> >
> > This from someone who drives a Volvo with big aftermarket wheels? ;o)
> >
>
> ...and an almost 300bhp engine.
>
> Yes.
Ditto. In a car that doesn't come with a Tonka badge ;o)
OTOH, if you want to see /real/ power in a TT, wait for the latest AmD
mods - the most I've seen from the 1.8 is 350bhp. It's quite quick, mind you
;o)
The twin-turbo V6 should be a wee bit quicker than that..
H1K
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> OTOH, if you want to see /real/ power in a TT, wait for the latest AmD
> mods - the most I've seen from the 1.8 is 350bhp. It's quite quick, mind
you
> ;o)
>
> The twin-turbo V6 should be a wee bit quicker than that..
Oh dear. For a TT to be quick it needs mods. For a TT to not kill people it
needs recalls, ESP, spoilers.
The TT was a poorly engineered car from the outset, not worthy of the Audi
badge, should have been sold as a seat product. In fact the Leon is the best
small car in the VAG. How they screwed up when the rest of the audi range is
actually not bad I don't know.
> mods - the most I've seen from the 1.8 is 350bhp. It's quite quick, mind
you
> ;o)
>
> The twin-turbo V6 should be a wee bit quicker than that..
Oh dear. For a TT to be quick it needs mods. For a TT to not kill people it
needs recalls, ESP, spoilers.
The TT was a poorly engineered car from the outset, not worthy of the Audi
badge, should have been sold as a seat product. In fact the Leon is the best
small car in the VAG. How they screwed up when the rest of the audi range is
actually not bad I don't know.
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"Hairy One Kenobi" <abuse@[127.0.0.1]> wrote in message
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> > > > > > > Yes, about as phenomenal as your spelling. The TT is a piece
of
> > > > > overpriced
> > > > > > > overstyled excuse for a cut down Golf. Audis worst car of
recent
> > > > times.
> > > > > > > Should have been shot at the drawing board, with the designer.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >Brrappp<
> > > > > >
> > > > > > At least do your research first and get the correct floorpan[1]
> ;o)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Betcha even think that it's made in Germany..?
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm not sure where it was made, but was it designed in a hair
salon?
> >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > Yes. The one next-door to the wine bar.
> > >
> > > This from someone who drives a Volvo with big aftermarket wheels? ;o)
> > >
> >
> > ...and an almost 300bhp engine.
> >
> > Yes.
>
> Ditto. In a car that doesn't come with a Tonka badge ;o)
....it just comes with a gay hairdresser image instead
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> OTOH, if you want to see /real/ power in a TT, wait for the latest AmD
> mods - the most I've seen from the 1.8 is 350bhp. It's quite quick, mind
you
> ;o)
>
> The twin-turbo V6 should be a wee bit quicker than that..
Is that going to be standard, or is the V6 TT going to come from the factory
normally aspirated?
Peter
> mods - the most I've seen from the 1.8 is 350bhp. It's quite quick, mind
you
> ;o)
>
> The twin-turbo V6 should be a wee bit quicker than that..
Is that going to be standard, or is the V6 TT going to come from the factory
normally aspirated?
Peter
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"AstraVanMan" <Peter@SwerveWeb.com> wrote in message
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> > OTOH, if you want to see /real/ power in a TT, wait for the latest AmD
> > mods - the most I've seen from the 1.8 is 350bhp. It's quite quick, mind
> you
> > ;o)
> >
> > The twin-turbo V6 should be a wee bit quicker than that..
>
> Is that going to be standard, or is the V6 TT going to come from the
factory
> normally aspirated?
The V6 comes normally aspirated, and with not much of a hike in power or
torque.
OTOH, you lose the lag as well.. I'm sticking with the chipped turbo for the
moment ;o)
H1K
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> > OTOH, if you want to see /real/ power in a TT, wait for the latest AmD
> > mods - the most I've seen from the 1.8 is 350bhp. It's quite quick, mind
> you
> > ;o)
> >
> > The twin-turbo V6 should be a wee bit quicker than that..
>
> Is that going to be standard, or is the V6 TT going to come from the
factory
> normally aspirated?
The V6 comes normally aspirated, and with not much of a hike in power or
torque.
OTOH, you lose the lag as well.. I'm sticking with the chipped turbo for the
moment ;o)
H1K
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"Tim S Kemp" <news@timkemp.karoo.co.uk> wrote in message
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> > OTOH, if you want to see /real/ power in a TT, wait for the latest AmD
> > mods - the most I've seen from the 1.8 is 350bhp. It's quite quick, mind
> you
> > ;o)
> >
> > The twin-turbo V6 should be a wee bit quicker than that..
>
> Oh dear. For a TT to be quick it needs mods. For a TT to not kill people
it
> needs recalls, ESP, spoilers.
For a TT to be quick enough to justice to the chassis, yeah. Doesn't need
them, in the same way that you might prefer an unmodded 850 Mini over an
Ultima.. As goes the "safety" mods..
If you head back through the TT Forum archives, you'll see there was a
roaring trade in the older suspension - the feel is much, much better, and
there's less understeer.
Personally, I leave the ESP turned off at all times - I had a bad experience
on a wet roundabout, where the box of tricks decided that I actually wanted
to go forwards. Hence that's the first button I push after starting the
engine (I ordered a Mk.I, but only the Mk.II was available on delivery)
No idea what the spoiler does - I haven't seen wind tunnel results - be the
car is perftectly stable up to an indicated 155mph (147mph true, according
to my GPS). That's significantly better than my last-model BMW, which used
to get /very/ floatly between 120-130mph indicated (and probably a fair bit
lower in real life - 145 indicated was "about" 131mph true)
Naturally, the spolier doesn't even come into play on UK roads..
> The TT was a poorly engineered car from the outset, not worthy of the
Audi
> badge, should have been sold as a seat product. In fact the Leon is the
best
> small car in the VAG. How they screwed up when the rest of the audi range
is
> actually not bad I don't know.
On what grounds? That you can't turn hard right in fog, on a wet Autobahn at
100mph+?
You can't do that in a Pug 205, either (I would give a better example, but
I'm not too familiar with well-handling hot hatches out there these days -
which of 'em give you lift-off oversteer on demand? Any of 'em?)
The only real flaws that I've found in three years are the electrical
gremlins apparently common to all cars in the VAG stable. Oh, and the OEM
ContiSport tyres - utter crap.
Very chuckable, and rarely embarrassed by my friend's 'Blade (well, when he
has a pillion and is not on a dead straight road ;o) Leaves him for dead at
the bends near Overton, Hamps (not sure where you are in the country)
Can you say the same for your Vauxhall Zafira? ;o)
H1K
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> > OTOH, if you want to see /real/ power in a TT, wait for the latest AmD
> > mods - the most I've seen from the 1.8 is 350bhp. It's quite quick, mind
> you
> > ;o)
> >
> > The twin-turbo V6 should be a wee bit quicker than that..
>
> Oh dear. For a TT to be quick it needs mods. For a TT to not kill people
it
> needs recalls, ESP, spoilers.
For a TT to be quick enough to justice to the chassis, yeah. Doesn't need
them, in the same way that you might prefer an unmodded 850 Mini over an
Ultima.. As goes the "safety" mods..
If you head back through the TT Forum archives, you'll see there was a
roaring trade in the older suspension - the feel is much, much better, and
there's less understeer.
Personally, I leave the ESP turned off at all times - I had a bad experience
on a wet roundabout, where the box of tricks decided that I actually wanted
to go forwards. Hence that's the first button I push after starting the
engine (I ordered a Mk.I, but only the Mk.II was available on delivery)
No idea what the spoiler does - I haven't seen wind tunnel results - be the
car is perftectly stable up to an indicated 155mph (147mph true, according
to my GPS). That's significantly better than my last-model BMW, which used
to get /very/ floatly between 120-130mph indicated (and probably a fair bit
lower in real life - 145 indicated was "about" 131mph true)
Naturally, the spolier doesn't even come into play on UK roads..
> The TT was a poorly engineered car from the outset, not worthy of the
Audi
> badge, should have been sold as a seat product. In fact the Leon is the
best
> small car in the VAG. How they screwed up when the rest of the audi range
is
> actually not bad I don't know.
On what grounds? That you can't turn hard right in fog, on a wet Autobahn at
100mph+?
You can't do that in a Pug 205, either (I would give a better example, but
I'm not too familiar with well-handling hot hatches out there these days -
which of 'em give you lift-off oversteer on demand? Any of 'em?)
The only real flaws that I've found in three years are the electrical
gremlins apparently common to all cars in the VAG stable. Oh, and the OEM
ContiSport tyres - utter crap.
Very chuckable, and rarely embarrassed by my friend's 'Blade (well, when he
has a pillion and is not on a dead straight road ;o) Leaves him for dead at
the bends near Overton, Hamps (not sure where you are in the country)
Can you say the same for your Vauxhall Zafira? ;o)
H1K
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> If you head back through the TT Forum archives, you'll see there was a
> roaring trade in the older suspension - the feel is much, much better, and
> there's less understeer.
And the average hairdresser that bought them couldn't cope. Like the current
MR2, at first release they all left the road backwards. And the S2000. Note
how the MGF has been set up to understeer. Understeer is what people
understand.
> Personally, I leave the ESP turned off at all times - I had a bad
experience
> on a wet roundabout, where the box of tricks decided that I actually
wanted
> to go forwards. Hence that's the first button I push after starting the
> engine (I ordered a Mk.I, but only the Mk.II was available on delivery)
eh??? But the point of ESP is to ensure you are stable. If driving like a
nut and you know what you're doing it needs to be off or you cannot control
the car how you want to. Mr average hairdresser needs to have the button
removed...
> No idea what the spoiler does - I haven't seen wind tunnel results - be
the
> car is perftectly stable up to an indicated 155mph (147mph true, according
> to my GPS). That's significantly better than my last-model BMW, which used
> to get /very/ floatly between 120-130mph indicated (and probably a fair
bit
> lower in real life - 145 indicated was "about" 131mph true)
My current Volvo is dead stable at an indicated 150 (not had enough road to
take it further yet), about 135-140 true. No-one would consider that a
performance car and yet they make TTs with less power. Most comfort oriented
cars get floaty at high speed. The Mk1 TT appears to have suffered somewhat
from the body being shaped like an aerofoil.
> Naturally, the spolier doesn't even come into play on UK roads..
of course...
> > The TT was a poorly engineered car from the outset, not worthy of the
> Audi
> > badge, should have been sold as a seat product. In fact the Leon is the
> best
> > small car in the VAG. How they screwed up when the rest of the audi
range
> is
> > actually not bad I don't know.
>
> On what grounds? That you can't turn hard right in fog, on a wet Autobahn
at
> 100mph+?
The TT just feels crap to drive at speed. It's cramped, uncomfortable,
noisy. All things you expect of a sports car, not a car that drives like a
warm hatch.
> You can't do that in a Pug 205, either (I would give a better example, but
> I'm not too familiar with well-handling hot hatches out there these days -
> which of 'em give you lift-off oversteer on demand? Any of 'em?)
Since when has lift-off oversteer been a desirable thing?? The 205 was as
bad a design as the TT and probably killed more people. Currently most hot
hatches just tuck back in when you lift mid bend, which is what the TT does
(now) so that's why I say why bother! You can provoke (trail brake) the Leon
to go sideways.
> The only real flaws that I've found in three years are the electrical
> gremlins apparently common to all cars in the VAG stable. Oh, and the OEM
> ContiSport tyres - utter crap.
Continental Sport Contact II are great though.
> Very chuckable, and rarely embarrassed by my friend's 'Blade (well, when
he
> has a pillion and is not on a dead straight road ;o) Leaves him for dead
at
> the bends near Overton, Hamps (not sure where you are in the country)
>
> Can you say the same for your Vauxhall Zafira? ;o)
Wouldn't try and take on a TT in the Zaf. Although I reckon the Zaf Turbo is
as quick as a 150 or a 180 TT point to point on average roads. My Volvo will
stick with a TT180 through most roads on a dry day. 225 out drags me, but
then mines only 180bhp. Raced a T5 auto against a 225 manual and blew him
away, as I did in an MGF Trophy. I just do not see why anyone wants a
pseudo-sportscar design accident that drives as crap as it looks.
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> On what grounds? That you can't turn hard right in fog, on a wet Autobahn
at
> 100mph+?
>
> You can't do that in a Pug 205, either (I would give a better example, but
> I'm not too familiar with well-handling hot hatches out there these days -
> which of 'em give you lift-off oversteer on demand? Any of 'em?)
Oh no, dont mention a French car to Mr Kemp. He's of the utterly ridcuolous
opinion that 205s do not handle very well. He has forgotten what real cars
are liked because he's been cocooned away in his safe 'family cars' for too
long
>
> The only real flaws that I've found in three years are the electrical
> gremlins apparently common to all cars in the VAG stable. Oh, and the OEM
> ContiSport tyres - utter crap.
>
> Very chuckable, and rarely embarrassed by my friend's 'Blade (well, when
he
> has a pillion and is not on a dead straight road ;o) Leaves him for dead
at
> the bends near Overton, Hamps (not sure where you are in the country)
>
ah a local boy. i'm from Totton, but occasionaly do road ralies up round
there!
at
> 100mph+?
>
> You can't do that in a Pug 205, either (I would give a better example, but
> I'm not too familiar with well-handling hot hatches out there these days -
> which of 'em give you lift-off oversteer on demand? Any of 'em?)
Oh no, dont mention a French car to Mr Kemp. He's of the utterly ridcuolous
opinion that 205s do not handle very well. He has forgotten what real cars
are liked because he's been cocooned away in his safe 'family cars' for too
long
>
> The only real flaws that I've found in three years are the electrical
> gremlins apparently common to all cars in the VAG stable. Oh, and the OEM
> ContiSport tyres - utter crap.
>
> Very chuckable, and rarely embarrassed by my friend's 'Blade (well, when
he
> has a pillion and is not on a dead straight road ;o) Leaves him for dead
at
> the bends near Overton, Hamps (not sure where you are in the country)
>
ah a local boy. i'm from Totton, but occasionaly do road ralies up round
there!