RS3 in the USA?
01-01-2004, 01:07 PM
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Re: RS3 in the USA?
In article <bt0ofi$232dv$1@ID-158414.news.uni-berlin.de>, Graham
<me@privacy.net> writes
>I had a chance to test drive the new A3, both diesel and petrol variants
>(2.0TDI vs 3.2V6), while both were undeniably great cars, I was pleasantly
>surprised by how good the TDI was. The power range was available more
>through the mid range as compared to the entire range as afforded by the V6,
>but I still cant make a decision about which of the two to go for.
I've had my 2.0 TDI for nearly a month now and am totally in love with
it.
With regard to the benefits of diesel posted earlier, I agree with them
all, but I do find it slightly amusing to think of Americans choosing
diesels to save money, when their petrol is so cheap to start with.
For those in the US who don't realise quite how good they have it,
petrol here in the UK is currently around $6 a gallon.
--
Toby
<me@privacy.net> writes
>I had a chance to test drive the new A3, both diesel and petrol variants
>(2.0TDI vs 3.2V6), while both were undeniably great cars, I was pleasantly
>surprised by how good the TDI was. The power range was available more
>through the mid range as compared to the entire range as afforded by the V6,
>but I still cant make a decision about which of the two to go for.
I've had my 2.0 TDI for nearly a month now and am totally in love with
it.
With regard to the benefits of diesel posted earlier, I agree with them
all, but I do find it slightly amusing to think of Americans choosing
diesels to save money, when their petrol is so cheap to start with.
For those in the US who don't realise quite how good they have it,
petrol here in the UK is currently around $6 a gallon.
--
Toby
01-01-2004, 04:23 PM
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Re: RS3 in the USA?
Pantelis Giamarellos wrote:
> The V10 diesel engine used on the VW Touareg is one decibel quiter (72db)
> than the V8 gazoline (73db).
This is at maximum RPM. It only makes sense that the diesel would be
quieter at max RPM, since it doesn't rev as high! The question is how
loud they are under typical driving conditions (e.g. steady 60 mph on
the highway).
> Only drawback is that it costs more buy to buy.
Yeah, a minor consideration there...
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Mike Smith
> The V10 diesel engine used on the VW Touareg is one decibel quiter (72db)
> than the V8 gazoline (73db).
This is at maximum RPM. It only makes sense that the diesel would be
quieter at max RPM, since it doesn't rev as high! The question is how
loud they are under typical driving conditions (e.g. steady 60 mph on
the highway).
> Only drawback is that it costs more buy to buy.
Yeah, a minor consideration there...
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Mike Smith
01-01-2004, 04:24 PM
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Toby Groves wrote:
>
> For those in the US who don't realise quite how good they have it,
> petrol here in the UK is currently around $6 a gallon.
How much is diesel? Just curious, because in the US diesel and petrol
cost about the same.
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Mike Smith
>
> For those in the US who don't realise quite how good they have it,
> petrol here in the UK is currently around $6 a gallon.
How much is diesel? Just curious, because in the US diesel and petrol
cost about the same.
--
Mike Smith
01-01-2004, 04:54 PM
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<< I do find it slightly amusing to think of Americans choosing
diesels to save money, when their petrol is so cheap to start with. >>
Cheap is subjective I guess, what you regard as cheap has a lot to do with how
much you make and how much you've gotten used to paying. Gas in the U.S. is
certainly much less a gallon than it is in the U.K. but I still spend quite a
bit of my small income on gas for my car every month. If I had the cash, I'd
buy a VW TDi or something similarly fuel economical to drive every day, and
relegate my GTi to weekend status.
diesels to save money, when their petrol is so cheap to start with. >>
Cheap is subjective I guess, what you regard as cheap has a lot to do with how
much you make and how much you've gotten used to paying. Gas in the U.S. is
certainly much less a gallon than it is in the U.K. but I still spend quite a
bit of my small income on gas for my car every month. If I had the cash, I'd
buy a VW TDi or something similarly fuel economical to drive every day, and
relegate my GTi to weekend status.
01-01-2004, 04:57 PM
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<< Diesels quieter than petrol engines? Not a chance. >>
The 1.9 TDi Beetle I drove was *much* quieter than the 150Hp 1.8T powered
Beetle I drove at highway speed. So much of my drive time is spent on the
highway, this is very important to me. Europeans seem to forget that cities
like Los Angeles cover nearly as much ground as and contain more people than
some small European countries. Last I checked, if you include Los Angeles
county as well as the city proper, there are well over 20 million people living
here. The San Fernando Valley alone has close to 4 million people in it, and
that's a realitively small suburban area.
The 1.9 TDi Beetle I drove was *much* quieter than the 150Hp 1.8T powered
Beetle I drove at highway speed. So much of my drive time is spent on the
highway, this is very important to me. Europeans seem to forget that cities
like Los Angeles cover nearly as much ground as and contain more people than
some small European countries. Last I checked, if you include Los Angeles
county as well as the city proper, there are well over 20 million people living
here. The San Fernando Valley alone has close to 4 million people in it, and
that's a realitively small suburban area.
01-01-2004, 05:49 PM
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In article <vv97gndvg1fb9b@news.supernews.com>, Mike Smith <mike_UNDERSC
ORE_smith@acm.DOT.org> writes
>Toby Groves wrote:
>>
>> For those in the US who don't realise quite how good they have it,
>> petrol here in the UK is currently around $6 a gallon.
>
>How much is diesel? Just curious, because in the US diesel and petrol
>cost about the same.
They're about the same here, diesel being usually a fraction more.
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Toby
ORE_smith@acm.DOT.org> writes
>Toby Groves wrote:
>>
>> For those in the US who don't realise quite how good they have it,
>> petrol here in the UK is currently around $6 a gallon.
>
>How much is diesel? Just curious, because in the US diesel and petrol
>cost about the same.
They're about the same here, diesel being usually a fraction more.
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Toby
01-02-2004, 01:19 AM
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oneactor1@aol.com (Steve Grauman) wrote in message news:<20040101175739.14429.00001944@mb-m14.aol.com>...
> << Diesels quieter than petrol engines? Not a chance. >>
>
> The 1.9 TDi Beetle I drove was *much* quieter than the 150Hp 1.8T powered
> Beetle I drove at highway speed. So much of my drive time is spent on the
> highway, this is very important to me. Europeans seem to forget that cities
> like Los Angeles cover nearly as much ground as and contain more people than
> some small European countries. Last I checked, if you include Los Angeles
> county as well as the city proper, there are well over 20 million people living
> here. The San Fernando Valley alone has close to 4 million people in it, and
> that's a realitively small suburban area.
Because diesels turn a lower RPM at highway speeds, they are quieter
than the gas engines in all the VWs I've driven with TDI. Now, at
idle, the story is different. You can still tell it's a diesel, but
you have to be outside of your own car, and standing nearby.
I really like the low-rpm torque. Drives really nicely in town.
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Jonesy
> << Diesels quieter than petrol engines? Not a chance. >>
>
> The 1.9 TDi Beetle I drove was *much* quieter than the 150Hp 1.8T powered
> Beetle I drove at highway speed. So much of my drive time is spent on the
> highway, this is very important to me. Europeans seem to forget that cities
> like Los Angeles cover nearly as much ground as and contain more people than
> some small European countries. Last I checked, if you include Los Angeles
> county as well as the city proper, there are well over 20 million people living
> here. The San Fernando Valley alone has close to 4 million people in it, and
> that's a realitively small suburban area.
Because diesels turn a lower RPM at highway speeds, they are quieter
than the gas engines in all the VWs I've driven with TDI. Now, at
idle, the story is different. You can still tell it's a diesel, but
you have to be outside of your own car, and standing nearby.
I really like the low-rpm torque. Drives really nicely in town.
--
Jonesy
01-02-2004, 01:27 AM
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"Toby Groves" <news@iconia.org.uk> wrote in message news:<ZjclBVAJ4G9$EwNc@iconia.org.uk>...
> In article <bt0ofi$232dv$1@ID-158414.news.uni-berlin.de>, Graham
> <me@privacy.net> writes
> >I had a chance to test drive the new A3, both diesel and petrol variants
> >(2.0TDI vs 3.2V6), while both were undeniably great cars, I was pleasantly
> >surprised by how good the TDI was. The power range was available more
> >through the mid range as compared to the entire range as afforded by the V6,
> >but I still cant make a decision about which of the two to go for.
>
> I've had my 2.0 TDI for nearly a month now and am totally in love with
> it.
>
> With regard to the benefits of diesel posted earlier, I agree with them
> all, but I do find it slightly amusing to think of Americans choosing
> diesels to save money, when their petrol is so cheap to start with.
Who wants to throw money away? In the U.S., the car is the primary
form of transport. Add to that the distance between folks - even in
big cities. Fuel mileage is important to some folks, even though we
only pay about $1.30-$1.90 per U.S. (3.78L) gallon. My 100 Avant is a
thirsty beast at 1800kg (about) and an auto tranny (blech). But it
hauls a lot of gear and family, so I like it. I'd like it more if it
got better than 22mpg around town. I'd bet that with a 2.5L diesel, I
might be able to get over 35mpg. In a 20-gal. tank, that's a 700 mile
range! And I'd bet it would get even better on the highway - which I
often use to travel across this western state, to the tune of 360
miles each way. At 40mpg, I could get there and back on a single
tank, and cut my fuel costs by 40%. That's nothing to complain about.
You would turn your nose up if someone gave you 10 quid, would you?
Neither would I....
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Jonesy
> In article <bt0ofi$232dv$1@ID-158414.news.uni-berlin.de>, Graham
> <me@privacy.net> writes
> >I had a chance to test drive the new A3, both diesel and petrol variants
> >(2.0TDI vs 3.2V6), while both were undeniably great cars, I was pleasantly
> >surprised by how good the TDI was. The power range was available more
> >through the mid range as compared to the entire range as afforded by the V6,
> >but I still cant make a decision about which of the two to go for.
>
> I've had my 2.0 TDI for nearly a month now and am totally in love with
> it.
>
> With regard to the benefits of diesel posted earlier, I agree with them
> all, but I do find it slightly amusing to think of Americans choosing
> diesels to save money, when their petrol is so cheap to start with.
Who wants to throw money away? In the U.S., the car is the primary
form of transport. Add to that the distance between folks - even in
big cities. Fuel mileage is important to some folks, even though we
only pay about $1.30-$1.90 per U.S. (3.78L) gallon. My 100 Avant is a
thirsty beast at 1800kg (about) and an auto tranny (blech). But it
hauls a lot of gear and family, so I like it. I'd like it more if it
got better than 22mpg around town. I'd bet that with a 2.5L diesel, I
might be able to get over 35mpg. In a 20-gal. tank, that's a 700 mile
range! And I'd bet it would get even better on the highway - which I
often use to travel across this western state, to the tune of 360
miles each way. At 40mpg, I could get there and back on a single
tank, and cut my fuel costs by 40%. That's nothing to complain about.
You would turn your nose up if someone gave you 10 quid, would you?
Neither would I....--
Jonesy
01-02-2004, 04:04 PM
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<< Now, at
idle, the story is different. You can still tell it's a diesel, but
you have to be outside of your own car, and standing nearby. >>
I certainly spend plenty of time in stop and go traffic where I'm sitting for 5
to 10 minutes at a time. But I couldn't care less how noisy my car is at idle
unless I can actually hear it inside the car. It's 60-70 MPH motor noise I'm
concerned with.
idle, the story is different. You can still tell it's a diesel, but
you have to be outside of your own car, and standing nearby. >>
I certainly spend plenty of time in stop and go traffic where I'm sitting for 5
to 10 minutes at a time. But I couldn't care less how noisy my car is at idle
unless I can actually hear it inside the car. It's 60-70 MPH motor noise I'm
concerned with.
01-02-2004, 05:23 PM
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In article <20040102170403.14188.00001989@mb-m14.aol.com>, Steve Grauman
<oneactor1@aol.com> writes
><< Now, at
>idle, the story is different. You can still tell it's a diesel, but
>you have to be outside of your own car, and standing nearby. >>
>
>I certainly spend plenty of time in stop and go traffic where I'm sitting for 5
>to 10 minutes at a time. But I couldn't care less how noisy my car is at idle
>unless I can actually hear it inside the car. It's 60-70 MPH motor noise I'm
>concerned with.
Well my experience of the A3 2.0 TDI is that it's virtually inaudible at
idle, and at 60-70 (and higher
cruising speed, the road and wind
noise tends to be more intrusive than the engine tbh.
--
Toby
<oneactor1@aol.com> writes
><< Now, at
>idle, the story is different. You can still tell it's a diesel, but
>you have to be outside of your own car, and standing nearby. >>
>
>I certainly spend plenty of time in stop and go traffic where I'm sitting for 5
>to 10 minutes at a time. But I couldn't care less how noisy my car is at idle
>unless I can actually hear it inside the car. It's 60-70 MPH motor noise I'm
>concerned with.
Well my experience of the A3 2.0 TDI is that it's virtually inaudible at
idle, and at 60-70 (and higher
cruising speed, the road and windnoise tends to be more intrusive than the engine tbh.
--
Toby
