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Re: Buying new A4,330i, G35, CTS, C320
"Steve Grauman" <oneactor1@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20040327155207.17874.00000197@mb-m03.aol.com... > >Ok, this is coming from the same person who has yet to put together one > >pertinent argument > > That's hilarious! Your incoherent, childlike ramblings have done nothing to > support your point of view. You cite series regulations for F1 and Nascar (!) > but ignore Rallye and Touring. You cite the Skyline and then ignore me when I > remind you that the top-spec model was AWD. You ask me to provide you with cars other than the 911 Turbo that use AWD and have good performance, and when I list several, you cry foul because they won't outperfom the million-dollar McLaren. You've got no response to the fact that Randy Probst has beaten BMWs, Vipers and Corvettes for several seasons in an S4 and now in an RS6. You've got no response to tests where the S4 and RS6 outperfrom the M3 and M5 on-track. You have nothing but false claims and ramblings and you're cornered. Take the loss and move on you stubborn jackass. are you that lacking in creativity that you must use the same into, but since you can't prove your point this doesn't surprise me. I was citing the two biggest motorsport organizations. dumbass I pointed out the GTR to you not the other way around, but you do realize the 300ZX was faster in TT trim and was what?? No I've never cried foul all I have to say is Z06, M3, M5, Carrea GT, any Ferrari, & SLR should I keep going?? Ok, but he has never crossed over to F1 has he, nope. if you read car and driver or any other mag you will see they say, that you average Joe can go faster in the S4 but for all out performance the M series and AMG is still the fastest. I didn't lose I've proven you wrong many times over, you have yet to prove me wrong, I'm waiting. |
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>I was citing the
>two biggest motorsport organizations. F1 is the biggest motorsport organization? You crticized me for using Rallye and Touring because they aren't popular everywhere but you think F1 has tons of fans? > dumbass I pointed out the GTR to you >not the other way around You used it as an example, AND I HAD TO POINT OUT THAT IT'S AWD. Go re-read the posts you BALD FACED LIAR. >but you do realize the 300ZX was faster in TT trim HA! HA! HA! In your dreams!!! >Z06, M3, M5, All of which have been getting beaten by an RS6 in the Speed Touring series... >Carrea GT, any Ferrari, & SLR should I keep going?? Only if you want me to as well. We've been over the reasons why these cars have RWD. >Ok, but he has never >crossed over to F1 has he, nope Who? Is this about your imaginary friend? > if you read car and driver or any other >mag If you read C&D you would have seen their comparisons involving the S4, RS6, M3, M5, E55 AMG, C36 AMG, and S Type R where the S4 and RS6 won outright in their respective groups. You would have also seen their better on the limit performance. And you certainly would have seen the road tests a few years back where the B5 based S4 became the first car in almost 10 years to topple an M3 in a direct comparison when it beat the E36 M3 and Saab 9-3 Viggen in testing. > you will see they say, that you average Joe can go faster in the S4 but >for all out performance the M series and AMG is still the fastest This isn;t what any of their articles have said, but since you don't actually read, I'll assume you didn't know any better. I'm guessing that by "reading" what you actually mean is staring at the pictures and making up whatever words you think fit nicely. > I didn't >lose I've proven you wrong many times over, you have yet to prove me wrong, >I'm waiting. You're as useless here as you are in every other group I've seen you post. You're an angry child at best and a degenerate, uneducated troll at worst. Be happy in your ignorance. |
Re: Buying new A4,330i, G35, CTS, C320
On 03 Apr 2004 07:00:08 GMT, oneactor1@aol.com (Steve Grauman) wrote:
>You're as useless here as you are in every other group I've seen you post. >You're an angry child at best and a degenerate, uneducated troll at worst. Be >happy in your ignorance. Why do you guys feel compelled to communicate with this ignorant wit? |
Re: Buying new A4,330i, G35, CTS, C320
"daytripper" <day_trippr@REMOVEyahoo.com> wrote in message
news:39qt60h74q63ufgqnm6h9q08iqcurc8ibs@4ax.com... > On 03 Apr 2004 07:00:08 GMT, oneactor1@aol.com (Steve Grauman) wrote: > >You're as useless here as you are in every other group I've seen you post. > >You're an angry child at best and a degenerate, uneducated troll at worst. Be > >happy in your ignorance. > > Why do you guys feel compelled to communicate with this ignorant wit? first I'm far from ignorant and I keep people on their toes, like you old man. have you got your retirement check yet?? |
Re: Buying new A4,330i, G35, CTS, C320
"Steve Grauman" <oneactor1@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20040403020008.03938.00000714@mb-m05.aol.com... > >I was citing the > >two biggest motorsport organizations. > > F1 is the biggest motorsport organization? You crticized me for using Rallye > and Touring because they aren't popular everywhere but you think F1 has tons of > fans? > > > dumbass I pointed out the GTR to you > >not the other way around > > You used it as an example, AND I HAD TO POINT OUT THAT IT'S AWD. Go re-read the posts you BALD FACED LIAR. > > >but you do realize the 300ZX was faster in TT trim > > HA! HA! HA! In your dreams!!! > > >Z06, M3, M5, > > All of which have been getting beaten by an RS6 in the Speed Touring series... > > >Carrea GT, any Ferrari, & SLR should I keep going?? > > Only if you want me to as well. We've been over the reasons why these cars have RWD. > > >Ok, but he has never crossed over to F1 has he, nope > > Who? Is this about your imaginary friend? > > > if you read car and driver or any other > >mag > > If you read C&D you would have seen their comparisons involving the S4, RS6, M3, M5, E55 AMG, C36 AMG, and S Type R where the S4 and RS6 won outright in their respective groups. You would have also seen their better on the limit performance. And you certainly would have seen the road tests a few years back where the B5 based S4 became the first car in almost 10 years to topple an M3 in a direct comparison when it beat the E36 M3 and Saab 9-3 Viggen in testing. > > > you will see they say, that you average Joe can go faster in the S4 but > >for all out performance the M series and AMG is still the fastest > > This isn;t what any of their articles have said, but since you don't actually > read, I'll assume you didn't know any better. I'm guessing that by "reading" > what you actually mean is staring at the pictures and making up whatever words > you think fit nicely. > > > I didn't >lose I've proven you wrong many times over, you have yet to prove me wrong, I'm waiting. > > You're as useless here as you are in every other group I've seen you post. > You're an angry child at best and a degenerate, uneducated troll at worst. Be > happy in your ignorance. no dumb dumb I will say this only once, I stated that the GTR was AWD goggle it. ok look at the 0-60 times pre R34, oh that would require you to read or do research. yes I want you to show me cars that are a) not made from the same company, b) are not rally based. the guy you keep talking about he races in touring. yes the S4 won in over all rating but on the track it didn't look it up at C & D and that was only for the cheaper price and more logical interior. for track numbers the M3 won and the E55 was the best performer for all three mags. the B5 had more power, and TT the M3 was NA. Steve you wouldn't know what the Car mags. said if you used it for TP since you don't read them. I've posted URLs you've spouted drivel. I can show you many articles that state what I've said you can't show anything. show what proof you have, and I'll post real articles something that you can't do. Steve people ask for me by name and look past your postings you go off in other groups and have no ideal what you saying and lots of people laugh at you trust me I can show email. but I'll let it pat since you have yet to come with any evidence and your feelings and pride are hurt. Can you only spout what others have said before, can you be original for once. I just want you to take a IQ test are you scared that you'll be exposed for the fool I've known for weeks. if you not scared let me know. I'm far from a child but all you can say is um, I've seen this before so I'm not creative to say anything else so this all I can say. troll, child & more drivel. |
Re: Buying new A4,330i, G35, CTS, C320
>Why do you guys feel compelled to communicate with this ignorant wit?
I don't know....I shouldn't feed the trolls, but he's amusing in a sad kind of way. |
Re: Buying new A4,330i, G35, CTS, C320
> I didn't
>>lose I've proven you wrong many times over, you have yet to prove me wrong, > >I'm waiting. You're responding to yourself now, wit. >no dumb dumb I will say this only once, I stated that the GTR was AWD goggle >it. Jesus, when you can't win, you lie? >yes I want you to show me cars that are a) not made from the >same company, b) are not rally based. I did, try reading >on the track it didn't look it up at C >& D and that was only for the cheaper price and more logical interior. You're making things up. Stop it, NOW. First of all, the S4 did make C&Ds Ten Best list, this January: http://caranddriver.com/article.asp?...&page_number=1 Secondly, in the C&D comparo, they said: "Out on the twisty roads, the S4 quickly became the favorite. The firm Recaro bucket keeps the driver in place without straining. The stability control is so subtle in its operation that you never feel it intrude (unless you’ve made a big mistake). Chassis dynamics are simply superb. As you brake deep into a turn, the S4 puts its belly to the ground and maintains amazing stability as you pick up the arc toward the exit and squeeze on the power. Roll angles are tightly controlled. The shocks keep body motions on a short leash. You can feel the tires scratching and straining for grip as the front and rear electronic differential locks respond to the V-8 torque. The Quattro’s stern discipline keeps redistributing the driving forces, allowing you to get the throttle open early yet cling confidently to your intended line. This is a car that’ll work with you! Few sporting cars are this open in their communication, and so disinclined to mischief. " THIS IS MY FAVORITE: "Of this trio, the S4 is in a class by itself, scoring the full 10 points in our handling rating, two above the M3 and three above the C32. It also earned a 10 in fun to drive, decisively above the others. Would the throaty motor music be worth a point all by itself? It might." YOU ARE A LIAR! AND ILLETIRATE!! PISS OFF!! >for >track numbers the M3 won and the E55 was the best performer for all three >mags. STOP LYING! The E55 wasn't even being compared to the S4, it was being compared to the RS6!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! >Steve you wouldn't know what the Car mags. said if you used it for TP since >you don't read them HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!! > I've posted URLs you've spouted drivel. WHEN?? YOU NEVER POSTED A URL, NOT ONCE!! >I can show >you many articles that state what I've said you can't show anything. BULLSHIT, I JUST DID!>show >what proof you have, and I'll post real articles something that you can't >do. I JUST DID!!! >Steve people ask for me by name and look past your postings you go off in >other groups and have no ideal what you saying and lots of people laugh at >you trust me I can show email. PLEASE forward those e-mails to me. I'm begging you. |
Re: Buying new A4,330i, G35, CTS, C320
"Steve Grauman" <oneactor1@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20040404200838.16057.00000708@mb-m04.aol.com... > >Why do you guys feel compelled to communicate with this ignorant wit? > > I don't know....I shouldn't feed the trolls, but he's amusing in a sad kind of > way. what's sad that I'm smarter then you, and have been showing you up at every turn?? you use the term "troll" but you don't use it in the correct context so try better. |
Re: Buying new A4,330i, G35, CTS, C320
"Steve Grauman" <oneactor1@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20040404201924.16057.00000711@mb-m04.aol.com... > > I didn't > >>lose I've proven you wrong many times over, you have yet to prove me wrong, > > > >I'm waiting. > > You're responding to yourself now, wit. > > >no dumb dumb I will say this only once, I stated that the GTR was AWD goggle > >it. > > Jesus, when you can't win, you lie? > > >yes I want you to show me cars that are a) not made from the > >same company, b) are not rally based. > > I did, try reading > > >on the track it didn't look it up at C > >& D and that was only for the cheaper price and more logical interior. > > You're making things up. Stop it, NOW. First of all, the S4 did make C&Ds Ten > Best list, this January: > http://caranddriver.com/article.asp?...&page_number=1 > Secondly, in the C&D comparo, they said: > "Out on the twisty roads, the S4 quickly became the favorite. The firm Recaro > bucket keeps the driver in place without straining. The stability control is so > subtle in its operation that you never feel it intrude (unless you've made a > big mistake). Chassis dynamics are simply superb. As you brake deep into a > turn, the S4 puts its belly to the ground and maintains amazing stability as > you pick up the arc toward the exit and squeeze on the power. Roll angles are > tightly controlled. The shocks keep body motions on a short leash. You can feel the tires scratching and straining for grip as the front and rear electronic > differential locks respond to the V-8 torque. The Quattro's stern discipline > keeps redistributing the driving forces, allowing you to get the throttle open > early yet cling confidently to your intended line. This is a car that'll work > with you! Few sporting cars are this open in their communication, and so > disinclined to mischief. " > THIS IS MY FAVORITE: "Of this trio, the S4 is in a class by itself, scoring the full 10 points in our handling rating, two above the M3 and three above the > C32. It also earned a 10 in fun to drive, decisively above the others. Would > the throaty motor music be worth a point all by itself? It might." > YOU ARE A LIAR! AND ILLETIRATE!! PISS OFF!! > > >for > >track numbers the M3 won and the E55 was the best performer for all three > >mags. > > STOP LYING! The E55 wasn't even being compared to the S4, it was being compared to the RS6!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! > > >Steve you wouldn't know what the Car mags. said if you used it for TP since > >you don't read them > > HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!! > > > I've posted URLs you've spouted drivel. > > WHEN?? YOU NEVER POSTED A URL, NOT ONCE!! > > >I can show > >you many articles that state what I've said you can't show anything. > > BULLSHIT, I JUST DID!>show > > >what proof you have, and I'll post real articles something that you can't > >do. > > I JUST DID!!! > > >Steve people ask for me by name and look past your postings you go off in > >other groups and have no ideal what you saying and lots of people laugh at > >you trust me I can show email. > > PLEASE forward those e-mails to me. I'm begging you. the only way to have a intelligent conversation is to have it with myself you're not holding up your end of the argument. how do I lie goggle it dullard it's on the net for all to see. no you haven't they all have rallying roots or come from the same company, but I guess you can't figure this out. what did I lie about, look how old that test is the C32 isn't even made anymore, are you this sad that you can't compare 04 models. This is sad Stevie it's 04 not 99-00 so come better, no you piss off. www.caranddriver.com no Audi in this or last years top10 so come better, oh you can't. if you look at the sentence it states that the E55 is the best performer of sedans, and the M3 is the best in the compact class. I know which ones compete against which one, I've pointed this out to you many times, but you don't read this. I've posted all the major car mags. website so you can try and do some reading. Goggle it pissant, so I don't have to keep doing it. the only article you have is from 4 YEARS ago, is that when you got to read the mag. when you spent time in the big house?? give me your email and I'll be happy to. |
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>the only way to have a intelligent conversation is to have it with myself
You're so full of . I nailed you to the cross on that posting, now DIE. >you're not holding up your end of the argument. Please see the above statement. >how do I lie goggle it >dullard You're the last person who should be calling anyone a dullard. I don't need to google the posts because I KNOW what was said. You're not only the liar, you're the minority, and the one arguing a minority point of view (however false it might be). The burden of proof is on YOU my little liar. >no you haven't they all have >rallying roots or come from the same company, but I guess you can't figure >this out. I listed products from Mitsubishi, Nissan, Subaru, Porsche, Audi and others. Please go back to the list and find how all of them are either the product of a single company or derived from rally cars. >what did I lie about, look how old that test is the C32 isn't even made >anymore, are you this sad that you can't compare 04 models This is the road test that you'd been lying about through dozens of posts. Now that I've shown the board your lies, your backpeddling in order to try and find a defense. This is the most recent comparison avaliable that includes the MB, BMW and Audi, and the newer model MB wasn't avaliable at the test. However, it's of little relevance because the S4 still scored 2 points higher than the M3 for handling and road holding, and it was ranked as the BEST of the group, not the easiest to drive as you originally spewed. > This is sad >Stevie it's 04 not 99-00 That test was from LATE 2003, and is the most recent where both the M3 and the S4 were togethor. Moron, did you read the article? > no Audi in this or last years top10 so come better, oh >you can't. What?? Januray 2004: http://caranddriver.com/article.asp?...&page_number=1 Januray, 2004, 2 months ago! >if you look at the sentence it states that the E55 is the best performer of >sedans, and the M3 is the best in the compact class. No it doesn't! First off, the M3 and S4 were in the "middleweights" category, not "compacts" which was a lower rung comparison. Secondly, the Audi scored higher everywhere it mattered and won, it was the best! Here's the URL to the comparo, AGAIN: http://caranddriver.com/article.asp?...&page_number=1 >I know which ones >compete against which one No you don't, you can't read. >I've posted all the major car mags. website so you can try >and do some reading. You didn't link to jack you little loser. >the only article you have is from 4 YEARS ago It's from 2003 YOU DOLT. Read it! It's less than a year old you silly bastard. >give me your email and I'll >be happy to. It's in my postings, try READING. |
Re: Buying new A4,330i, G35, CTS, C320
Tha Ghee wrote:
>.... are you this sad that you can't compare 04 models. This is sad >Stevie it's 04 not 99-00 so come better, no you piss off. >www.caranddriver.com no Audi in this or last years top10 so come better, oh >you can't. > I'm looking at my copy of the January 2004 Car & Driver right now. The new Audi S4 is on the 2004 list. Look here. <http://www.caranddriver.com/article.asp?section_id=33&article_id=7574> The A4 made it in 2002. The A6 and TT made it in 2001 The A6 and TT made it in 2000 The A4 made it in 1998 Tha Ghee wrote on 3/20/04: >any Engineer will tell you that it is impossible to have agile handling and >AWD at the same time. > I'm a mechanical engineer (BSME, most of a MSME). It *is* possible to have agile handling and AWD at the same time. My car, an all wheel drive Subaru WRX wagon, made the C&D 10 best list in 2002 and 2003. I know it is very agile. The all wheel drive WRX STi is Road & Track's <http://www.roadandtrack.com/article.asp?section_id=7&article_id=1206> reader's choice car for 2004 (MSRP under US$100,000.) That car beat out the rear wheel drive Porsche GT3, BMW 5-series, Mazda RX-8, and Nissan 350Z, among others. While you may not like them, those cars aren't exactly known as floaty boats in the handling department. All wheel drive vehicles can have very agile handling if that is what they are designed for. A 6000lb Ford Excursion SUV is not. A Subaru Outback is not. My WRX and some quattro Audi's are. An A6 2.8q is tuned more for comfort, while the 2.7T and 4.2 version are more agile. Same thing with the A4 line - cars without a sport package are made more for comfort than agility. That does not make it impossible to create an all wheel drive version that is tuned for agility. Look at the S4 or A4 S-line. Car & Driver says the all wheel drive VW Golf R32 is a ready-made autocrosser right from the factory. It's not as fast in a straight line as, say, a STi is, but its handling is superb. It has the same drivetrain as the 3.2 TT quattro (but a different transmission in the US). A quote from the May 2004 issue: "recovery in quick transitions is instantaneous, the car changes direction like a mongoose sorting through a box of cobras" That sounds pretty agile to me. All wheel drive, when tuned for that purpose, can allow the driver get back on the power earlier in a curve than either front or wheel wheel drive can. All wheel drive cars are a bit heavier than equivalent two wheel drive versions - so they are incrementally slower in a straight line. And there can be a bit more friction in the powertrain. But neither of those things necessarily prevents a car from having agile handling. Extra weight is a detriment, but we're not talking about a thousand pound difference (the R32 is ~300lb heavier than a GTI VR6). You can make a rear wheel drive car handle very well. You can make an all wheel drive car handle very well. Audi, Porsche, Subaru, Mitsubishi, and others have proven it's possible. I firmly believe if a car (of any drivetrain layout) doesn't handle well, or isn't agile, it's a matter of the engineers and accountants saying "no" rather than "can't". |
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>I'm looking at my copy of the January 2004 Car & Driver right now. The
>new Audi S4 is on the 2004 list. I already posted the URL for him twice. But he'll ignore it and claim it doesn't exist. >I'm a mechanical engineer (BSME, most of a MSME). It *is* possible to >have agile handling and AWD at the same time. Not to degrade your degree, but you don't need to be an engineer to know this. You just need the capacity for logic, a mild understanding of weight distribution and suspension tuning, and some real world experience behind the wheel of various makes and models. Ghee has none of these things, so it's hard for him to understand. He's quite good at lying and fabricating stories though. >That car beat out >the rear wheel drive Porsche GT3, BMW 5-series, Mazda RX-8, and Nissan >350Z, among others. IMHO, it got elected for it's price point and because it's been driven by a much larger percentage of the population than the GT3. You might be interested in reading Sports Car magazines (April 04' issue I think) comparo between the Lancer Evolution RS (the lightweight version) Corvette Z06 and Carrera GT3. The GT3 won outright in terms of track dynamics and overall ability but it obviously losses to the Lancer when it comes to bang for the buck. I'm a little sad that Porsche won't be offering the Carrera GT3 RS here in North America though. >While you may not like them, those cars aren't >exactly known as floaty boats in the handling department. Ghee wouldn't. Assuming he's even actually old enough to drive (which is something I can't be sure of), his experience behind the wheel is lacking severly and it shows. >All wheel drive vehicles can have very agile handling if that is what >they are designed for. He won't understand this. Ghee thinks that AWD cars are all derived from Rally cars and that Touring and Rally are the same thing. He also cites F1 as his primary example for proof of RWD superiority and refuses to acknowledge the fact that BMW, Chevrolet, Dodge and various other RWD racers are losing to Quattro Audis in Speed's Touring series. He also claims that Ferrari history of racing is superior to Porsche's and Audi's histories, which is a blatant falsehood. >Car & Driver says the all wheel drive VW Golf R32 is a ready-made >autocrosser right from the factory. It's not as fast in a straight line >as, say, a STi is, but its handling is superb. VW Vortex (www.vwvortex.com) and "Sub Driven" (www.subdriven.com) did a comparison test in conjunction with one another of the R32, Lancer EVO and WRX STi. The R32 lagged in 0-60 tests but it was compareable on the track with better control and dynamics. They agreed that VW's tire choice for the R32 was poor, and that a tire upgrade would put it easily ahead of the Japanese cars thanks to it's more "track oriented" suspension. VF Engineering put togethor a supercharged version of the R32 (it was featured in European Car, I believe it was the November or December 2003 issue) that could pull off 0-60 in 3.2 seconds, and included suspension and drivetrain upgrades for a total cost of under $50k. |
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"Steve Grauman" <oneactor1@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20040407164955.17939.00001011@mb-m06.aol.com... > >the only way to have a intelligent conversation is to have it with myself > > You're so full of . I nailed you to the cross on that posting, now DIE. > > >you're not holding up your end of the argument. > > Please see the above statement. > > >how do I lie goggle it > >dullard > > You're the last person who should be calling anyone a dullard. I don't need to > google the posts because I KNOW what was said. You're not only the liar, you're the minority, and the one arguing a minority point of view (however false it > might be). The burden of proof is on YOU my little liar. > > >no you haven't they all have > >rallying roots or come from the same company, but I guess you can't figure > >this out. > > I listed products from Mitsubishi, Nissan, Subaru, Porsche, Audi and others. > Please go back to the list and find how all of them are either the product of a > single company or derived from rally cars. > > >what did I lie about, look how old that test is the C32 isn't even made > >anymore, are you this sad that you can't compare 04 models > > This is the road test that you'd been lying about through dozens of posts. Now > that I've shown the board your lies, your backpeddling in order to try and find > a defense. This is the most recent comparison avaliable that includes the MB, > BMW and Audi, and the newer model MB wasn't avaliable at the test. However, it's of little relevance because the S4 still scored 2 points higher than the M3 for handling and road holding, and it was ranked as the BEST of the group, not the easiest to drive as you originally spewed. > > > This is sad > >Stevie it's 04 not 99-00 > > That test was from LATE 2003, and is the most recent where both the M3 and the S4 were togethor. Moron, did you read the article? > > > no Audi in this or last years top10 so come better, oh > >you can't. > > What?? Januray 2004: > http://caranddriver.com/article.asp?...&page_number=1 > Januray, 2004, 2 months ago! > > >if you look at the sentence it states that the E55 is the best performer of sedans, and the M3 is the best in the compact class. > > No it doesn't! First off, the M3 and S4 were in the "middleweights" category, > not "compacts" which was a lower rung comparison. Secondly, the Audi scored higher everywhere it mattered and won, it was the best! Here's the URL to the comparo, AGAIN: http://caranddriver.com/article.asp?...&page_number=1 > > >I know which ones compete against which one > > No you don't, you can't read. > > >I've posted all the major car mags. website so you can try > >and do some reading. > > You didn't link to jack you little loser. > > >the only article you have is from 4 YEARS ago > > It's from 2003 YOU DOLT. Read it! It's less than a year old you silly bastard. > > >give me your email and I'll > >be happy to. > > It's in my postings, try READING. you have yet to do anything, I'm killing you, step your argument up so I can have something to do. so since you have yet to prove a point I'm now in the minority, oh well go head and put up the white flag, I've proven you wrong over and over aging, just look at all the old post, like PT said I'm the champion. all the companies you listed have cars that are derived from lessons learned from rallying, and two are the same company. Like I said that's an old campro, how am I backpedaling, I've proved that the S4 was not compared to the best small sports sedans, so it can't be garnered best, just better than what's on the market now, and it barley bet the M3, if you look through all the stats it's a smidge ahead. OK, but it doesn't have the NEW MB yet so it's old. dumb dumb, you do realize that the M3 and S4 are compact by EPA standard, but I can tell you've never look at that guide. I can read better than you, I've pointed out the numerous times you've mis read. I didn't know if it was yours or your moms I wouldn't want to upset her knowing her sons a loser, and dumbass. |
Re: Buying new A4,330i, G35, CTS, C320
that's not the argument, Stevie & his boyfriend said that AWD are better performers than RWD, and I was showing them that they all have there +'s and -'s, Byron I totally agree with all you posted, their point was that an AWD is a better performer than a RWD, and I disagreed with them. any car can made to handle well, or like a pillow, depending on what the designers are looking for.
"Byron" <tackyfart@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:407505b2$0$1667$61fed72c@news.rcn.com... Tha Ghee wrote: ..... are you this sad that you can't compare 04 models. This is sad Stevie it's 04 not 99-00 so come better, no you piss off. www.caranddriver.com no Audi in this or last years top10 so come better, oh you can't.I'm looking at my copy of the January 2004 Car & Driver right now. The new Audi S4 is on the 2004 list. Look here. The A4 made it in 2002. The A6 and TT made it in 2001 The A6 and TT made it in 2000 The A4 made it in 1998 Tha Ghee wrote on 3/20/04: any Engineer will tell you that it is impossible to have agile handling and AWD at the same time.I'm a mechanical engineer (BSME, most of a MSME). It is possible to have agile handling and AWD at the same time. My car, an all wheel drive Subaru WRX wagon, made the C&D 10 best list in 2002 and 2003. I know it is very agile. The all wheel drive WRX STi is Road & Track's reader's choice car for 2004 (MSRP under US$100,000.) That car beat out the rear wheel drive Porsche GT3, BMW 5-series, Mazda RX-8, and Nissan 350Z, among others. While you may not like them, those cars aren't exactly known as floaty boats in the handling department. All wheel drive vehicles can have very agile handling if that is what they are designed for. A 6000lb Ford Excursion SUV is not. A Subaru Outback is not. My WRX and some quattro Audi's are. An A6 2.8q is tuned more for comfort, while the 2.7T and 4.2 version are more agile. Same thing with the A4 line - cars without a sport package are made more for comfort than agility. That does not make it impossible to create an all wheel drive version that is tuned for agility. Look at the S4 or A4 S-line. Car & Driver says the all wheel drive VW Golf R32 is a ready-made autocrosser right from the factory. It's not as fast in a straight line as, say, a STi is, but its handling is superb. It has the same drivetrain as the 3.2 TT quattro (but a different transmission in the US). A quote from the May 2004 issue: "recovery in quick transitions is instantaneous, the car changes direction like a mongoose sorting through a box of cobras" That sounds pretty agile to me. All wheel drive, when tuned for that purpose, can allow the driver get back on the power earlier in a curve than either front or wheel wheel drive can. All wheel drive cars are a bit heavier than equivalent two wheel drive versions - so they are incrementally slower in a straight line. And there can be a bit more friction in the powertrain. But neither of those things necessarily prevents a car from having agile handling. Extra weight is a detriment, but we're not talking about a thousand pound difference (the R32 is ~300lb heavier than a GTI VR6). You can make a rear wheel drive car handle very well. You can make an all wheel drive car handle very well. Audi, Porsche, Subaru, Mitsubishi, and others have proven it's possible. I firmly believe if a car (of any drivetrain layout) doesn't handle well, or isn't agile, it's a matter of the engineers and accountants saying "no" rather than "can't". |
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"Steve Grauman" <oneactor1@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20040408174019.14008.00000023@mb-m05.aol.com... > >I'm looking at my copy of the January 2004 Car & Driver right now. The > >new Audi S4 is on the 2004 list. > > I already posted the URL for him twice. But he'll ignore it and claim it > doesn't exist. > > >I'm a mechanical engineer (BSME, most of a MSME). It *is* possible to > >have agile handling and AWD at the same time. > > Not to degrade your degree, but you don't need to be an engineer to know this. You just need the capacity for logic, a mild understanding of weight > distribution and suspension tuning, and some real world experience behind the > wheel of various makes and models. Ghee has none of these things, so it's hard > for him to understand. He's quite good at lying and fabricating stories though. > > >That car beat out the rear wheel drive Porsche GT3, BMW 5-series, Mazda RX-8, and Nissan 350Z, among others. > > IMHO, it got elected for it's price point and because it's been driven by a > much larger percentage of the population than the GT3. You might be interested in reading Sports Car magazines (April 04' issue I think) comparo between the Lancer Evolution RS (the lightweight version) Corvette Z06 and Carrera GT3. The GT3 won outright in terms of track dynamics and overall ability but it obviously losses to the Lancer when it comes to bang for the buck. I'm a little sad that Porsche won't be offering the Carrera GT3 RS here in North America though. > > >While you may not like them, those cars aren't > >exactly known as floaty boats in the handling department. > > Ghee wouldn't. Assuming he's even actually old enough to drive (which is > something I can't be sure of), his experience behind the wheel is lacking > severly and it shows. > > >All wheel drive vehicles can have very agile handling if that is what > >they are designed for. > > He won't understand this. Ghee thinks that AWD cars are all derived from Rally cars and that Touring and Rally are the same thing. He also cites F1 as his > primary example for proof of RWD superiority and refuses to acknowledge the > fact that BMW, Chevrolet, Dodge and various other RWD racers are losing to > Quattro Audis in Speed's Touring series. He also claims that Ferrari history of > racing is superior to Porsche's and Audi's histories, which is a blatant > falsehood. > > >Car & Driver says the all wheel drive VW Golf R32 is a ready-made > >autocrosser right from the factory. It's not as fast in a straight line > >as, say, a STi is, but its handling is superb. > > VW Vortex (www.vwvortex.com) and "Sub Driven" (www.subdriven.com) did acomparison test in conjunction with one another of the R32, Lancer EVO and WRX STi. The R32 lagged in 0-60 tests but it was compareable on the track with better control and dynamics. They agreed that VW's tire choice for the R32 was poor, and that a tire upgrade would put it easily ahead of the Japanese cars > thanks to it's more "track oriented" suspension. VF Engineering put togethor a > supercharged version of the R32 (it was featured in European Car, I believe it > was the November or December 2003 issue) that could pull off 0-60 in 3.2 > seconds, and included suspension and drivetrain upgrades for a total cost of > under $50k. No I've seen it, and all the urls I've posted you have glossed passed. Stevie I won my own vehicle do you still try to pimp out your parents ride?? I have plenty of driving experience doing for over 10 yrs. now. Not at all, my point is that, you only cite, rallying and rallying derived cars, the GTR was not rallying inspired, it's just that Rhys, took it up the hill and Gran Tur made it a hit, I know the difference last time I check the FWD Stratus does well. I never said it was better, I said that it had a great history, Stevie why is it that you can't prove your point so you start making up stories, just goggle it, there's the proof, or are you scared to do that?? one day Stevie you may get off your knees, and read then react no the other way around. |
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>No I've seen it,
So that's why you continued to claim that the S4 hadn't made C&D's 2004 10Best list after I provided the URL? >and all the urls I've posted you have glossed passed. I'll Paypal you $100 if you can show proof that you ever provided a link to this discussion. >Stevie I won my own vehicle Dare I ask in what kind of contest? And is a car really that useful to a 13 year old? >you still try to pimp out your parents ride?? No, I cashed out $22,000 in stock and bought myself a car. >Not at all, >my point is that, you only cite, rallying and rallying derived cars What? You claimed very recently that Touring and Rallye are the same thing. In addition; the Skyline, 3000GT, Eclipse GSX, 911 Turbo, S4/RS4 and S6/RS6 were all on my list, NONE of which are rally derived. >I know the difference last time I check the FWD Stratus >does well You're offically the village idiot. >I never said it was better This certainly isn't what you were saying before. Maybe if you backpeddle a little harder no one will remember what was really said before. >Stevie why is it that you can't prove your point so you start making up >stories The king of liars goes out on a limb, and lies about me fabricating stories and being unable to prove my point. What a surprise. |
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>that's not the argument,
Yes it is, and anyone who's read your older posts knows so. You're a terrible liar, seek help. |
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>all the companies you listed have cars that are derived from
>lessons learned from rallying Spew, spew and spew. You're running out of bullshit. >and two are the same company Which 2 are the same company? > Like I said >that's an old campro But it's the most recent with both an M3 and an S4 and it's less than a year old. It's also the comparo where you claimed that that the S4 won simply for being easier to drive, which obviously isn't the case. You lied about this article through dozens of posts, and now you're trying to weazel your way clear because I've nailed you. >I've proved that the S4 was not >compared to the best small sports sedans Yea, it was. And according to you, the M3 is the pinnacle of performance in a car of it;s size and type. And the S4 trounced it. >dumb dumb, you do realize that the M3 and S4 are >compact by EPA standard The Environmental Protection Agency says that the M3 and S4 are compact? Please link to that effect. And also realize that in the context of the C&D compare, they were "middleweights". |
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"Steve Grauman" <oneactor1@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20040410161220.14046.00000119@mb-m05.aol.com... > >that's not the argument, > > Yes it is, and anyone who's read your older posts knows so. You're a terrible > liar, seek help. I'm not a liar at all I'm just smarter, and a better debater than you. |
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"Steve Grauman" <oneactor1@aol.com> wrote in message news:20040403020008.03938.00000714@mb-m05.aol.com... > >I was citing the > >two biggest motorsport organizations. > > F1 is the biggest motorsport organization? You crticized me for using Rallye > and Touring because they aren't popular everywhere but you think F1 has tons of fans? > > > dumbass I pointed out the GTR to you > >not the other way around > > You used it as an example, AND I HAD TO POINT OUT THAT IT'S AWD. Go re-read the posts you BALD FACED LIAR. > > >but you do realize the 300ZX was faster in TT trim > > HA! HA! HA! In your dreams!!! > > >Z06, M3, M5, > > All of which have been getting beaten by an RS6 in the Speed Touring series... > > >Carrea GT, any Ferrari, & SLR should I keep going?? > > Only if you want me to as well. We've been over the reasons why these cars have RWD. > > >Ok, but he has never > >crossed over to F1 has he, nope > > Who? Is this about your imaginary friend? > > > if you read car and driver or any other > >mag > > If you read C&D you would have seen their comparisons involving the S4, RS6, M3, M5, E55 AMG, C36 AMG, and S Type R where the S4 and RS6 won outright in their respective groups. You would have also seen their better on the limit performance. And you certainly would have seen the road tests a few years back where the B5 based S4 became the first car in almost 10 years to topple an M3 in a direct comparison when it beat the E36 M3 and Saab 9-3 Viggen in testing. > > > you will see they say, that you average Joe can go faster in the S4 but > >for all out performance the M series and AMG is still the fastest > > This isn;t what any of their articles have said, but since you don't actually > read, I'll assume you didn't know any better. I'm guessing that by "reading" > what you actually mean is staring at the pictures and making up whatever words > you think fit nicely. > > > I didn't lose I've proven you wrong many times over, you have yet to prove me wrong, I'm waiting. > > You're as useless here as you are in every other group I've seen you post. > You're an angry child at best and a degenerate, uneducated troll at worst. Be > happy in your ignorance. Yes I know F1 has the most fans outside the US. No Stevie you DID NOT say the GTR was AWD I did, is this all you can say is liar, are you getting beat that bad?? I don't have to live in a dream world go to the 300ZX and ask there it's posted or would you not believe that. the B5 S4 had more power, and was TT I hope it would win, it also cost more at the times. Yes they do go to road and track or can you not find that at Wal-Mart where you work?? Stevie I've forgotten twice as much as you will every know, I'm sorry you're to stupid to see facts and not drivel that you like to spill. I'm useful where ever I go, sorry you're not and have no ideal what to post where ever you post. Sorry you got that backwards, I'm smart you're not. |
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"daytripper" <day_trippr@REMOVEyahoo.com> wrote in message
news:39qt60h74q63ufgqnm6h9q08iqcurc8ibs@4ax.com... > On 03 Apr 2004 07:00:08 GMT, oneactor1@aol.com (Steve Grauman) wrote: > >You're as useless here as you are in every other group I've seen you post. > >You're an angry child at best and a degenerate, uneducated troll at worst. Be > >happy in your ignorance. > > Why do you guys feel compelled to communicate with this ignorant wit? daytripper did you not get your cialias?? are you made cause your old, and can't get it up?? |
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"Steve Grauman" <oneactor1@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20040404200838.16057.00000708@mb-m04.aol.com... > >Why do you guys feel compelled to communicate with this ignorant wit? > > I don't know....I shouldn't feed the trolls, but he's amusing in a sad kind of > way. I'm far from a troll, if you knew what it meant you would use it in the proper manner. how am I amusing because I'm smarter than you. |
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"Steve Grauman" <oneactor1@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20040404201924.16057.00000711@mb-m04.aol.com... > > I didn't lose I've proven you wrong many times over, you have yet to prove me wrong, > > > >I'm waiting. > > You're responding to yourself now, wit. > > >no dumb dumb I will say this only once, I stated that the GTR was AWD goggle it. > > Jesus, when you can't win, you lie? > > >yes I want you to show me cars that are a) not made from the > >same company, b) are not rally based. > > I did, try reading > > >on the track it didn't look it up at C > >& D and that was only for the cheaper price and more logical interior. > > You're making things up. Stop it, NOW. First of all, the S4 did make C&Ds Ten Best list, this January: > http://caranddriver.com/article.asp?...&page_number=1 > Secondly, in the C&D comparo, they said: > "Out on the twisty roads, the S4 quickly became the favorite. The firm Recaro > bucket keeps the driver in place without straining. The stability control is so > subtle in its operation that you never feel it intrude (unless you've made a > big mistake). Chassis dynamics are simply superb. As you brake deep into a > turn, the S4 puts its belly to the ground and maintains amazing stability as > you pick up the arc toward the exit and squeeze on the power. Roll angles are > tightly controlled. The shocks keep body motions on a short leash. You can feel the tires scratching and straining for grip as the front and rear electronic > differential locks respond to the V-8 torque. The Quattro's stern discipline > keeps redistributing the driving forces, allowing you to get the throttle open > early yet cling confidently to your intended line. This is a car that'll work > with you! Few sporting cars are this open in their communication, and so > disinclined to mischief. " > THIS IS MY FAVORITE: "Of this trio, the S4 is in a class by itself, scoring the full 10 points in our handling rating, two above the M3 and three above the > C32. It also earned a 10 in fun to drive, decisively above the others. Would > the throaty motor music be worth a point all by itself? It might." > YOU ARE A LIAR! AND ILLETIRATE!! PISS OFF!! > > >for > >track numbers the M3 won and the E55 was the best performer for all three > >mags. > > STOP LYING! The E55 wasn't even being compared to the S4, it was being compared to the RS6!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! > > >Steve you wouldn't know what the Car mags. said if you used it for TP since > >you don't read them > > HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!! > > > I've posted URLs you've spouted drivel. > > WHEN?? YOU NEVER POSTED A URL, NOT ONCE!! > > >I can show you many articles that state what I've said you can't show anything. > > BULLSHIT, I JUST DID!>show > > >what proof you have, and I'll post real articles something that you can't > >do. > > I JUST DID!!! > > >Steve people ask for me by name and look past your postings you go off in > >other groups and have no ideal what you saying and lots of people laugh at > >you trust me I can show email. > > PLEASE forward those e-mails to me. I'm begging you. how am I lying if I told you to goggle it, it's in black and white. No you didn't it's A/P or other rallying inspired cars. I'm sorry you can't read, and the C32 isn't around anymore, so there needs to be a new test. I'll send them to you, but don't cry. |
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"Steve Grauman" <oneactor1@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20040407164955.17939.00001011@mb-m06.aol.com... > >the only way to have a intelligent conversation is to have it with myself > > You're so full of . I nailed you to the cross on that posting, now DIE. > > >you're not holding up your end of the argument. > > Please see the above statement. > > >how do I lie goggle it dullard > > You're the last person who should be calling anyone a dullard. I don't need to > google the posts because I KNOW what was said. You're not only the liar, you're the minority, and the one arguing a minority point of view (however false it > might be). The burden of proof is on YOU my little liar. > > >no you haven't they all have > >rallying roots or come from the same company, but I guess you can't figure > >this out. > > I listed products from Mitsubishi, Nissan, Subaru, Porsche, Audi and others. > Please go back to the list and find how all of them are either the product of a > single company or derived from rally cars. > > >what did I lie about, look how old that test is the C32 isn't even made > >anymore, are you this sad that you can't compare 04 models > > This is the road test that you'd been lying about through dozens of posts. Now > that I've shown the board your lies, your backpeddling in order to try and find > a defense. This is the most recent comparison avaliable that includes the MB, > BMW and Audi, and the newer model MB wasn't avaliable at the test. However, it's of little relevance because the S4 still scored 2 points higher than the M3 for handling and road holding, and it was ranked as the BEST of the group, not the easiest to drive as you originally spewed. > > > This is sad > >Stevie it's 04 not 99-00 > > That test was from LATE 2003, and is the most recent where both the M3 and the S4 were togethor. Moron, did you read the article? > > > no Audi in this or last years top10 so come better, oh > >you can't. > > What?? Januray 2004: > http://caranddriver.com/article.asp?...&page_number=1 > Januray, 2004, 2 months ago! > > >if you look at the sentence it states that the E55 is the best performer of > >sedans, and the M3 is the best in the compact class. > > No it doesn't! First off, the M3 and S4 were in the "middleweights" category, > not "compacts" which was a lower rung comparison. Secondly, the Audi scored higher everywhere it mattered and won, it was the best! Here's the URL to the comparo, AGAIN: http://caranddriver.com/article.asp?...&page_number=1 > > >I know which ones compete against which one > > No you don't, you can't read. > > >I've posted all the major car mags. website so you can try and do some reading. > > You didn't link to jack you little loser. > > >the only article you have is from 4 YEARS ago > > It's from 2003 YOU DOLT. Read it! It's less than a year old you silly bastard. > > >give me your email and I'll > >be happy to. > > It's in my postings, try READING. when have you nailed me to the post, you can't post you a dummy. so you're a dummy twice then?? dumbass Audi/Porsche?lambo are all same, but I doubt you know this, and I also said "rally inspired" or did you miss this?? Handling is subjective, so you have to look at multiple reviews and also do it for yourself, if you look at R&T Autom., & Autoweek, they all had the M3 rated higher. you do realize Jan was more than 2 months ago, but now I can see you can't count or debate, this is sad. unlike you I read very well but you don't, you need to work on that but you Burger U education to some use. |
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>Audi/Porsche?lambo are all same
No, they aren't. Porsche's relationship with the Audi group is familial in nature, but has nothing to do with Porsche owning Audi/VW or vice versa. If you knew the history of either company, you'd know that Ferdinand Piech, formerly the head of Audi/VW was the son-in-law of Ferdinand Porsche, but that Porsche and Audi were scarcely involved in business togethor. Audi now owns Lamborghini, but Lambo has it's own engineers and designers. And you've still failed to show how any of these companies can be linked to Mitsubishi, Nissan, Subaru or the others on my list, or how any of them except the WRX and Lancer are rally derived. >Handling is subjective, so you have to look at multiple reviews and also do >it for yourself I've been using the C&D comparison as the benchmark for months now and you never questioned it until I threw the truth in your face. If you want to bring other comparisons into the fold you'll need to link to them. Nobody here is going to take your word on what they say. |
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>the C32 isn't around anymore, so there needs to be a new test
You're ignoring the fact that the S4 still would have beaten the M3, no matter which MB was there. And seeing how MB has never built an AMG-tuned C-Class as good as the M3, I sincerely doubt getting the newer version would have made a difference. Just admit the fact that the S4 is better than the M3 and C. |
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Tha Ghee wrote:
> daytripper did you not get your cialias?? are you made cause your old, and > can't get it up?? Are you young, still hoping it would grow? - Yak |
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"Steve Grauman" <oneactor1@aol.com> wrote in message news:20040417183028.27202.00000024@mb-m15.aol.com... > >Audi/Porsche?lambo are all same > > No, they aren't. Porsche's relationship with the Audi group is familial in > nature, but has nothing to do with Porsche owning Audi/VW or vice versa. If you knew the history of either company, you'd know that Ferdinand Piech, formerly the head of Audi/VW was the son-in-law of Ferdinand Porsche, but that Porsche and Audi were scarcely involved in business togethor. Audi now owns > Lamborghini, but Lambo has it's own engineers and designers. And you've still > failed to show how any of these companies can be linked to Mitsubishi, Nissan, > Subaru or the others on my list, or how any of them except the WRX and Lancer are rally derived. > > >Handling is subjective, so you have to look at multiple reviews and also do > >it for yourself > > I've been using the C&D comparison as the benchmark for months now and you never questioned it until I threw the truth in your face. If you want to bring > other comparisons into the fold you'll need to link to them. Nobody here is > going to take your word on what they say. No, if you look at specs on Audi/Por they share a lot of common parts which I think would have Fer Porsche turning over in is grave. Audi/Por are more a like than you would like to admit. no I've also quoted the three mags. but you don't read that I think Motor Trend is better and so is R & T. so NO you didn't throw anything in my face I don't have your job I know you're used to that. |
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>No, if you look at specs on Audi/Por they share a lot of common parts which
There is not a single part being shared between Audi and Porsche, not ONE. The closest thing would be the Cayenne, which uses a chassis co-developed by VW and Porsche for use in the Cayenne and Toureag. But the Cayenne has it's own suspension, engines, body and interior. It's only the bare bones of the chassis that are the same and this says nothing of the 911 or Boxster or any of the other Audi/VW models. >Audi/Por are more >a like than you would like to admit HOW? They don't share parts, they don't co-develop models, they've got nothing in common beyod familial connections. >I've also quoted the three mags No you didn't. >Motor Trend is better and so is R & T Ha! MT and R&T are hack job mags, and admittedly C&D is only a marginal step up. |
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"Michael Burman" <yak@iki-fi.invalid> wrote in message
news:c5us9g$7qod6$1@midnight.cs.hut.fi... > Tha Ghee wrote: > > daytripper did you not get your cialias?? are you made cause your old, and > > can't get it up?? > > Are you young, still hoping it would grow? > > - Yak no I don't need it do you, does it not work?? did you touch it too much when your were young?? |
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"Steve Grauman" <oneactor1@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20040417183711.27202.00000026@mb-m15.aol.com... > >the C32 isn't around anymore, so there needs to be a new test > > You're ignoring the fact that the S4 still would have beaten the M3, no matter > which MB was there. And seeing how MB has never built an AMG-tuned C-Class as good as the M3, I sincerely doubt getting the newer version would have made a difference. Just admit the fact that the S4 is better than the M3 and C. just because ONE mag says it's better no, R & T and MT said it wasn't, so no it's not a better car in any way but for the AWD. |
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>just because ONE mag says it's better no, R & T and MT said it wasn't
No they didn't. BTW, the C32 is a CURRENT model, so the C&D article was up to date: http://www.mbusa.com/brand/models/C32.jsp |
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Tha Ghee wrote:
> no I don't need it do you, does it not work?? did you touch it too much > when your were young?? a) yes, I need it, if you don't, I'm sorry for you. b) it doesn't wear out, you can use it as much as you want, c) 'your were young' ? Where's that spellcheck you advertised? I guess it exists with error "impossible case" - Yak |
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"Michael Burman" <yak@iki-fi.invalid> wrote in message
news:c6eqjt$8cqi6$1@midnight.cs.hut.fi... > Tha Ghee wrote: > > no I don't need it do you, does it not work?? did you touch it too much > > when your were young?? > > a) yes, I need it, if you don't, I'm sorry for you. b) it doesn't wear > out, you can use it as much as you want, c) 'your were young' ? > > Where's that spellcheck you advertised? I guess it exists with error > "impossible case" > > - Yak are you typing again you're not smart enough to be here stop, find another debate. |
Re: Buying new A4,330i, G35, CTS, C320
"Steve Grauman" <oneactor1@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20040424145408.17944.00000291@mb-m06.aol.com... > >No, if you look at specs on Audi/Por they share a lot of common parts which > > There is not a single part being shared between Audi and Porsche, not ONE. The closest thing would be the Cayenne, which uses a chassis co-developed by VW and Porsche for use in the Cayenne and Toureag. But the Cayenne has it's own suspension, engines, body and interior. It's only the bare bones of the chassis > that are the same and this says nothing of the 911 or Boxster or any of the > other Audi/VW models. > > >Audi/Por are more a like than you would like to admit > > HOW? They don't share parts, they don't co-develop models, they've got nothing in common beyod familial connections. > > >I've also quoted the three mags > > No you didn't. > > >Motor Trend is better and so is R & T > > Ha! MT and R&T are hack job mags, and admittedly C&D is only a marginal step up. are you stupid, the tranny and engines are the same in the 911 and RS6. now I know you know nothing about the cars, do some research and get back to me you are not dumber than Michelle. Yes they do dumbass pick up a mag. and do some READING. ok if you say MT is a hack job I believe you just like Audi/Por don't share any parts. |
Re: Buying new A4,330i, G35, CTS, C320
Steve Grauman" <oneactor1@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20040410161113.14046.00000118@mb-m05.aol.com... > >No I've seen it, > > So that's why you continued to claim that the S4 hadn't made C&D's 2004 10Best list after I provided the URL? > > >and all the urls I've posted you have glossed passed. > > I'll Paypal you $100 if you can show proof that you ever provided a link to this discussion. > > >Stevie I won my own vehicle > > Dare I ask in what kind of contest? And is a car really that useful to a 13 year old? > > >you still try to pimp out your parents ride?? > > No, I cashed out $22,000 in stock and bought myself a car. > > >Not at all, my point is that, you only cite, rallying and rallying derived cars > > What? You claimed very recently that Touring and Rallye are the same thing. In addition; the Skyline, 3000GT, Eclipse GSX, 911 Turbo, S4/RS4 and S6/RS6 were all on my list, NONE of which are rally derived. > > >I know the difference last time I check the FWD Stratus does well > > You're offically the village idiot. > > >I never said it was better > > This certainly isn't what you were saying before. Maybe if you backpeddle a little harder no one will remember what was really said before. > > >Stevie why is it that you can't prove your point so you start making up > >stories > > The king of liars goes out on a limb, and lies about me fabricating stories and being unable to prove my point. What a surprise. no why would I want to take your tax refund. is 13 the age of your "girlfriend"?? was the 22Gs you got form a mis-handled change?? the 300 GT is not AWD, the GSX was def. rally derived. no Stevie with all your post you show you are. I never backpedaled you just take stuff out of context. what point over and over angina you say you've made a point not one I can see. |
Re: Buying new A4,330i, G35, CTS, C320
"Steve Grauman" <oneactor1@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20040410162104.14046.00000120@mb-m05.aol.com... > >all the companies you listed have cars that are derived from > >lessons learned from rallying > > Spew, spew and spew. You're running out of bullshit. > > >and two are the same company > > Which 2 are the same company? > > > Like I said that's an old campro > > But it's the most recent with both an M3 and an S4 and it's less than a year old. It's also the comparo where you claimed that that the S4 won simply for being easier to drive, which obviously isn't the case. You lied about this > article through dozens of posts, and now you're trying to weazel your way clear because I've nailed you. > > >I've proved that the S4 was not compared to the best small sports sedans > > Yea, it was. And according to you, the M3 is the pinnacle of performance in a car of it;s size and type. And the S4 trounced it. > > >dumb dumb, you do realize that the M3 and S4 are compact by EPA standard > > The Environmental Protection Agency says that the M3 and S4 are compact? Please link to that effect. And also realize that in the context of the C&D compare, they were "middleweights". no bullshit, just lots of info something that you don't provide. Audi/Porc. are you gay is that why you want to nail a guy, I'm scared now. only in C & D not in over mags but I forgot since you can't prove them wrong their now marginal, that's funny. www.epa.gov I think that's a link I get your $100 tax refund check now/ |
Re: Buying new A4,330i, G35, CTS, C320
>Audi/Porc.
>are you gay is that why you want to nail a guy, I'm scared now. What in god's name are you spewing? > only in C & >D not in over mags but I forgot since you can't prove them wrong their now >margina You're a throughly inadequte opponent. I refuse to have a battle of the wits with an unarmed opponent. =) |
Re: Buying new A4,330i, G35, CTS, C320
>300 GT is not AWD
The 3000GT VR-4 was AWD, as was the R/T Turbo variant of it's Dodge counterpart, the Stealth. Both also had All-Wheel-Steering. Should'nt your vast knowledge of cars and magazines have helped you here? >the GSX was def. rally derived No it wasn't. Mitsubishi rallies with the Lancer, they never used the Eclipse as a rallye car. |
Re: Buying new A4,330i, G35, CTS, C320
>are you stupid, the tranny and engines are the same in the 911 and RS6.
The 911 is running a 3.6 litre flat-six developed by Porsche. The RS6 is running a 4.2 litre, twin-turbocharged V8 developed by the sport division at Audi. Who's stupid? |
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