Premature timing belt failures
#51
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Re: Premature timing belt failures
Ronny wrote:
> It's Audis responsibility to inform the user that the cam belt may break at
> 60k miles, and this needs to be written down as an advisory, this would then
> cover their *** and cover yours.
I accept that point, I'm just pretty sure, the same discussion will
start then when a belt breaks at 40k, i.e. before the 60k recommendation.
It's just a matter of statistics IMO. You'll have a certain amount of
belt failures at various mileages. The manufacturer recommends changing
belts before the majority breaks. The rest is statistical exceptions.
Sure, I wouldn't be happy about it either, but I can truly say, that
Audi here in Europe is obviously and most interestingly MUCH more
inclined to cover problems or at least contribute significantly.
Might be a result of the significantly higher price we pay.
Wolfgang
> It's Audis responsibility to inform the user that the cam belt may break at
> 60k miles, and this needs to be written down as an advisory, this would then
> cover their *** and cover yours.
I accept that point, I'm just pretty sure, the same discussion will
start then when a belt breaks at 40k, i.e. before the 60k recommendation.
It's just a matter of statistics IMO. You'll have a certain amount of
belt failures at various mileages. The manufacturer recommends changing
belts before the majority breaks. The rest is statistical exceptions.
Sure, I wouldn't be happy about it either, but I can truly say, that
Audi here in Europe is obviously and most interestingly MUCH more
inclined to cover problems or at least contribute significantly.
Might be a result of the significantly higher price we pay.
Wolfgang
#52
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Re: Premature timing belt failures
Ronny wrote:
> It's Audis responsibility to inform the user that the cam belt may break at
> 60k miles, and this needs to be written down as an advisory, this would then
> cover their *** and cover yours.
I accept that point, I'm just pretty sure, the same discussion will
start then when a belt breaks at 40k, i.e. before the 60k recommendation.
It's just a matter of statistics IMO. You'll have a certain amount of
belt failures at various mileages. The manufacturer recommends changing
belts before the majority breaks. The rest is statistical exceptions.
Sure, I wouldn't be happy about it either, but I can truly say, that
Audi here in Europe is obviously and most interestingly MUCH more
inclined to cover problems or at least contribute significantly.
Might be a result of the significantly higher price we pay.
Wolfgang
> It's Audis responsibility to inform the user that the cam belt may break at
> 60k miles, and this needs to be written down as an advisory, this would then
> cover their *** and cover yours.
I accept that point, I'm just pretty sure, the same discussion will
start then when a belt breaks at 40k, i.e. before the 60k recommendation.
It's just a matter of statistics IMO. You'll have a certain amount of
belt failures at various mileages. The manufacturer recommends changing
belts before the majority breaks. The rest is statistical exceptions.
Sure, I wouldn't be happy about it either, but I can truly say, that
Audi here in Europe is obviously and most interestingly MUCH more
inclined to cover problems or at least contribute significantly.
Might be a result of the significantly higher price we pay.
Wolfgang
#53
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Re: Premature timing belt failures
Ronny wrote:
> It's Audis responsibility to inform the user that the cam belt may break at
> 60k miles, and this needs to be written down as an advisory, this would then
> cover their *** and cover yours.
I accept that point, I'm just pretty sure, the same discussion will
start then when a belt breaks at 40k, i.e. before the 60k recommendation.
It's just a matter of statistics IMO. You'll have a certain amount of
belt failures at various mileages. The manufacturer recommends changing
belts before the majority breaks. The rest is statistical exceptions.
Sure, I wouldn't be happy about it either, but I can truly say, that
Audi here in Europe is obviously and most interestingly MUCH more
inclined to cover problems or at least contribute significantly.
Might be a result of the significantly higher price we pay.
Wolfgang
> It's Audis responsibility to inform the user that the cam belt may break at
> 60k miles, and this needs to be written down as an advisory, this would then
> cover their *** and cover yours.
I accept that point, I'm just pretty sure, the same discussion will
start then when a belt breaks at 40k, i.e. before the 60k recommendation.
It's just a matter of statistics IMO. You'll have a certain amount of
belt failures at various mileages. The manufacturer recommends changing
belts before the majority breaks. The rest is statistical exceptions.
Sure, I wouldn't be happy about it either, but I can truly say, that
Audi here in Europe is obviously and most interestingly MUCH more
inclined to cover problems or at least contribute significantly.
Might be a result of the significantly higher price we pay.
Wolfgang
#54
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Re: Premature timing belt failures
Ronny wrote:
> Did they?
Well, as I read it, the dealer stuck to the Audi service maintenance.
That's what he's supposed to do.
> All his posts seem to suggest the dealer never said a thing, but after it
> failed he then noticed more and more people telling him it should have been
> changed at 60k miles.
Let me quote two sentences from his original post:
"Despite the fact that I have maintained the vehicle per Audi's
spec's at the dealership, they are taking no responsibility whatsoever.
The owner's manual for my car requires replacement at 80K miles."
This for me indicates the car has been maintained 'by the book'.
"Looking back, I find it strange that my service advisor reccomended
that I should "think about replacing my belt" even though he did not say
there were any signs that it would suddenly fail."
So, the dealer did mention it.
> Even if Audi do "suggest" it should be changed at 60k this is no comfort to
> people who religiously stick to the service schedule, if Audi are saying the
> belt "may" fail before 80k miles, then they NEED to change the service
> booklet to accompany this.
Right, but if it may fail before 40? Or before 30? Belts may fail
anytime. So do chains.
> And yes it is the dealers fault imo.
Well, I don't think so. I don't think it's the customers fault either.
As much as I regret to say: Sometimes it's just bad luck. Things break.
JM2C
Wolfgang
> Did they?
Well, as I read it, the dealer stuck to the Audi service maintenance.
That's what he's supposed to do.
> All his posts seem to suggest the dealer never said a thing, but after it
> failed he then noticed more and more people telling him it should have been
> changed at 60k miles.
Let me quote two sentences from his original post:
"Despite the fact that I have maintained the vehicle per Audi's
spec's at the dealership, they are taking no responsibility whatsoever.
The owner's manual for my car requires replacement at 80K miles."
This for me indicates the car has been maintained 'by the book'.
"Looking back, I find it strange that my service advisor reccomended
that I should "think about replacing my belt" even though he did not say
there were any signs that it would suddenly fail."
So, the dealer did mention it.
> Even if Audi do "suggest" it should be changed at 60k this is no comfort to
> people who religiously stick to the service schedule, if Audi are saying the
> belt "may" fail before 80k miles, then they NEED to change the service
> booklet to accompany this.
Right, but if it may fail before 40? Or before 30? Belts may fail
anytime. So do chains.
> And yes it is the dealers fault imo.
Well, I don't think so. I don't think it's the customers fault either.
As much as I regret to say: Sometimes it's just bad luck. Things break.
JM2C
Wolfgang
#55
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Re: Premature timing belt failures
Ronny wrote:
> Did they?
Well, as I read it, the dealer stuck to the Audi service maintenance.
That's what he's supposed to do.
> All his posts seem to suggest the dealer never said a thing, but after it
> failed he then noticed more and more people telling him it should have been
> changed at 60k miles.
Let me quote two sentences from his original post:
"Despite the fact that I have maintained the vehicle per Audi's
spec's at the dealership, they are taking no responsibility whatsoever.
The owner's manual for my car requires replacement at 80K miles."
This for me indicates the car has been maintained 'by the book'.
"Looking back, I find it strange that my service advisor reccomended
that I should "think about replacing my belt" even though he did not say
there were any signs that it would suddenly fail."
So, the dealer did mention it.
> Even if Audi do "suggest" it should be changed at 60k this is no comfort to
> people who religiously stick to the service schedule, if Audi are saying the
> belt "may" fail before 80k miles, then they NEED to change the service
> booklet to accompany this.
Right, but if it may fail before 40? Or before 30? Belts may fail
anytime. So do chains.
> And yes it is the dealers fault imo.
Well, I don't think so. I don't think it's the customers fault either.
As much as I regret to say: Sometimes it's just bad luck. Things break.
JM2C
Wolfgang
> Did they?
Well, as I read it, the dealer stuck to the Audi service maintenance.
That's what he's supposed to do.
> All his posts seem to suggest the dealer never said a thing, but after it
> failed he then noticed more and more people telling him it should have been
> changed at 60k miles.
Let me quote two sentences from his original post:
"Despite the fact that I have maintained the vehicle per Audi's
spec's at the dealership, they are taking no responsibility whatsoever.
The owner's manual for my car requires replacement at 80K miles."
This for me indicates the car has been maintained 'by the book'.
"Looking back, I find it strange that my service advisor reccomended
that I should "think about replacing my belt" even though he did not say
there were any signs that it would suddenly fail."
So, the dealer did mention it.
> Even if Audi do "suggest" it should be changed at 60k this is no comfort to
> people who religiously stick to the service schedule, if Audi are saying the
> belt "may" fail before 80k miles, then they NEED to change the service
> booklet to accompany this.
Right, but if it may fail before 40? Or before 30? Belts may fail
anytime. So do chains.
> And yes it is the dealers fault imo.
Well, I don't think so. I don't think it's the customers fault either.
As much as I regret to say: Sometimes it's just bad luck. Things break.
JM2C
Wolfgang
#56
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Re: Premature timing belt failures
Ronny wrote:
> Did they?
Well, as I read it, the dealer stuck to the Audi service maintenance.
That's what he's supposed to do.
> All his posts seem to suggest the dealer never said a thing, but after it
> failed he then noticed more and more people telling him it should have been
> changed at 60k miles.
Let me quote two sentences from his original post:
"Despite the fact that I have maintained the vehicle per Audi's
spec's at the dealership, they are taking no responsibility whatsoever.
The owner's manual for my car requires replacement at 80K miles."
This for me indicates the car has been maintained 'by the book'.
"Looking back, I find it strange that my service advisor reccomended
that I should "think about replacing my belt" even though he did not say
there were any signs that it would suddenly fail."
So, the dealer did mention it.
> Even if Audi do "suggest" it should be changed at 60k this is no comfort to
> people who religiously stick to the service schedule, if Audi are saying the
> belt "may" fail before 80k miles, then they NEED to change the service
> booklet to accompany this.
Right, but if it may fail before 40? Or before 30? Belts may fail
anytime. So do chains.
> And yes it is the dealers fault imo.
Well, I don't think so. I don't think it's the customers fault either.
As much as I regret to say: Sometimes it's just bad luck. Things break.
JM2C
Wolfgang
> Did they?
Well, as I read it, the dealer stuck to the Audi service maintenance.
That's what he's supposed to do.
> All his posts seem to suggest the dealer never said a thing, but after it
> failed he then noticed more and more people telling him it should have been
> changed at 60k miles.
Let me quote two sentences from his original post:
"Despite the fact that I have maintained the vehicle per Audi's
spec's at the dealership, they are taking no responsibility whatsoever.
The owner's manual for my car requires replacement at 80K miles."
This for me indicates the car has been maintained 'by the book'.
"Looking back, I find it strange that my service advisor reccomended
that I should "think about replacing my belt" even though he did not say
there were any signs that it would suddenly fail."
So, the dealer did mention it.
> Even if Audi do "suggest" it should be changed at 60k this is no comfort to
> people who religiously stick to the service schedule, if Audi are saying the
> belt "may" fail before 80k miles, then they NEED to change the service
> booklet to accompany this.
Right, but if it may fail before 40? Or before 30? Belts may fail
anytime. So do chains.
> And yes it is the dealers fault imo.
Well, I don't think so. I don't think it's the customers fault either.
As much as I regret to say: Sometimes it's just bad luck. Things break.
JM2C
Wolfgang
#57
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Re: Premature timing belt failures
Ronny wrote:
> Did they?
Well, as I read it, the dealer stuck to the Audi service maintenance.
That's what he's supposed to do.
> All his posts seem to suggest the dealer never said a thing, but after it
> failed he then noticed more and more people telling him it should have been
> changed at 60k miles.
Let me quote two sentences from his original post:
"Despite the fact that I have maintained the vehicle per Audi's
spec's at the dealership, they are taking no responsibility whatsoever.
The owner's manual for my car requires replacement at 80K miles."
This for me indicates the car has been maintained 'by the book'.
"Looking back, I find it strange that my service advisor reccomended
that I should "think about replacing my belt" even though he did not say
there were any signs that it would suddenly fail."
So, the dealer did mention it.
> Even if Audi do "suggest" it should be changed at 60k this is no comfort to
> people who religiously stick to the service schedule, if Audi are saying the
> belt "may" fail before 80k miles, then they NEED to change the service
> booklet to accompany this.
Right, but if it may fail before 40? Or before 30? Belts may fail
anytime. So do chains.
> And yes it is the dealers fault imo.
Well, I don't think so. I don't think it's the customers fault either.
As much as I regret to say: Sometimes it's just bad luck. Things break.
JM2C
Wolfgang
> Did they?
Well, as I read it, the dealer stuck to the Audi service maintenance.
That's what he's supposed to do.
> All his posts seem to suggest the dealer never said a thing, but after it
> failed he then noticed more and more people telling him it should have been
> changed at 60k miles.
Let me quote two sentences from his original post:
"Despite the fact that I have maintained the vehicle per Audi's
spec's at the dealership, they are taking no responsibility whatsoever.
The owner's manual for my car requires replacement at 80K miles."
This for me indicates the car has been maintained 'by the book'.
"Looking back, I find it strange that my service advisor reccomended
that I should "think about replacing my belt" even though he did not say
there were any signs that it would suddenly fail."
So, the dealer did mention it.
> Even if Audi do "suggest" it should be changed at 60k this is no comfort to
> people who religiously stick to the service schedule, if Audi are saying the
> belt "may" fail before 80k miles, then they NEED to change the service
> booklet to accompany this.
Right, but if it may fail before 40? Or before 30? Belts may fail
anytime. So do chains.
> And yes it is the dealers fault imo.
Well, I don't think so. I don't think it's the customers fault either.
As much as I regret to say: Sometimes it's just bad luck. Things break.
JM2C
Wolfgang
#58
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Re: Premature timing belt failures
On 8 Dec 2005 09:42:15 -0800, edavis@terawave.com wrote:
>I found this article listed in this group:
>http://groups.google.com/group/alt.a...d39993f41cdb09
>
>Although the posting was from 2003, I'd like to inform everyone that
>this problem is still very much an issue today.
>
>I own a 2001 Audi TT Roadster and just experienced belt failure at 73K
>miles. Despite the fact that I have maintained the vehicle per Audi's
>spec's at the dealership, they are taking no responsibility whatsoever.
>The owner's manual for my car requires replacement at 80K miles.
>
>>From the research I've done, it seems clear that Audi knows about this
>problem and is not acknowledging it. Looking back, I find it strange
>that my service advisor reccomended that I should "think about
>replacing my belt" even though he did not say there were any signs that
>it would suddenly fail. I'm seeing this repeated all over various
>postings on the web.
>
>I have talked with a number of shops that specialize in Audi's and the
>common knowledge in this community is that Audi belts fail early. I've
>also found a number of informative sources on the matter and would
>appreciate it if anyone out there who knows more could reply to this
>group, especially related to the class action case.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Eric Davis
>
>Link to a news article in the Boston Globe (posted 7-17-2005) about a
>class action lawsuit that Audi settled related to early belt failures:
>http://www.boston.com/business/artic...gine_of_change
>
>Link to a helpful shop in LA that has experience with these failures:
>http://stuttgartauto.com/Stuttgart%2...tive%20Inc.htm
I have an 87 Audi 5000s.
The original timing belt broke after 17 years.
My fault, should have replaced it sooner!
>I found this article listed in this group:
>http://groups.google.com/group/alt.a...d39993f41cdb09
>
>Although the posting was from 2003, I'd like to inform everyone that
>this problem is still very much an issue today.
>
>I own a 2001 Audi TT Roadster and just experienced belt failure at 73K
>miles. Despite the fact that I have maintained the vehicle per Audi's
>spec's at the dealership, they are taking no responsibility whatsoever.
>The owner's manual for my car requires replacement at 80K miles.
>
>>From the research I've done, it seems clear that Audi knows about this
>problem and is not acknowledging it. Looking back, I find it strange
>that my service advisor reccomended that I should "think about
>replacing my belt" even though he did not say there were any signs that
>it would suddenly fail. I'm seeing this repeated all over various
>postings on the web.
>
>I have talked with a number of shops that specialize in Audi's and the
>common knowledge in this community is that Audi belts fail early. I've
>also found a number of informative sources on the matter and would
>appreciate it if anyone out there who knows more could reply to this
>group, especially related to the class action case.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Eric Davis
>
>Link to a news article in the Boston Globe (posted 7-17-2005) about a
>class action lawsuit that Audi settled related to early belt failures:
>http://www.boston.com/business/artic...gine_of_change
>
>Link to a helpful shop in LA that has experience with these failures:
>http://stuttgartauto.com/Stuttgart%2...tive%20Inc.htm
I have an 87 Audi 5000s.
The original timing belt broke after 17 years.
My fault, should have replaced it sooner!
#59
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Re: Premature timing belt failures
On 8 Dec 2005 09:42:15 -0800, edavis@terawave.com wrote:
>I found this article listed in this group:
>http://groups.google.com/group/alt.a...d39993f41cdb09
>
>Although the posting was from 2003, I'd like to inform everyone that
>this problem is still very much an issue today.
>
>I own a 2001 Audi TT Roadster and just experienced belt failure at 73K
>miles. Despite the fact that I have maintained the vehicle per Audi's
>spec's at the dealership, they are taking no responsibility whatsoever.
>The owner's manual for my car requires replacement at 80K miles.
>
>>From the research I've done, it seems clear that Audi knows about this
>problem and is not acknowledging it. Looking back, I find it strange
>that my service advisor reccomended that I should "think about
>replacing my belt" even though he did not say there were any signs that
>it would suddenly fail. I'm seeing this repeated all over various
>postings on the web.
>
>I have talked with a number of shops that specialize in Audi's and the
>common knowledge in this community is that Audi belts fail early. I've
>also found a number of informative sources on the matter and would
>appreciate it if anyone out there who knows more could reply to this
>group, especially related to the class action case.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Eric Davis
>
>Link to a news article in the Boston Globe (posted 7-17-2005) about a
>class action lawsuit that Audi settled related to early belt failures:
>http://www.boston.com/business/artic...gine_of_change
>
>Link to a helpful shop in LA that has experience with these failures:
>http://stuttgartauto.com/Stuttgart%2...tive%20Inc.htm
I have an 87 Audi 5000s.
The original timing belt broke after 17 years.
My fault, should have replaced it sooner!
>I found this article listed in this group:
>http://groups.google.com/group/alt.a...d39993f41cdb09
>
>Although the posting was from 2003, I'd like to inform everyone that
>this problem is still very much an issue today.
>
>I own a 2001 Audi TT Roadster and just experienced belt failure at 73K
>miles. Despite the fact that I have maintained the vehicle per Audi's
>spec's at the dealership, they are taking no responsibility whatsoever.
>The owner's manual for my car requires replacement at 80K miles.
>
>>From the research I've done, it seems clear that Audi knows about this
>problem and is not acknowledging it. Looking back, I find it strange
>that my service advisor reccomended that I should "think about
>replacing my belt" even though he did not say there were any signs that
>it would suddenly fail. I'm seeing this repeated all over various
>postings on the web.
>
>I have talked with a number of shops that specialize in Audi's and the
>common knowledge in this community is that Audi belts fail early. I've
>also found a number of informative sources on the matter and would
>appreciate it if anyone out there who knows more could reply to this
>group, especially related to the class action case.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Eric Davis
>
>Link to a news article in the Boston Globe (posted 7-17-2005) about a
>class action lawsuit that Audi settled related to early belt failures:
>http://www.boston.com/business/artic...gine_of_change
>
>Link to a helpful shop in LA that has experience with these failures:
>http://stuttgartauto.com/Stuttgart%2...tive%20Inc.htm
I have an 87 Audi 5000s.
The original timing belt broke after 17 years.
My fault, should have replaced it sooner!
#60
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Re: Premature timing belt failures
On 8 Dec 2005 09:42:15 -0800, edavis@terawave.com wrote:
>I found this article listed in this group:
>http://groups.google.com/group/alt.a...d39993f41cdb09
>
>Although the posting was from 2003, I'd like to inform everyone that
>this problem is still very much an issue today.
>
>I own a 2001 Audi TT Roadster and just experienced belt failure at 73K
>miles. Despite the fact that I have maintained the vehicle per Audi's
>spec's at the dealership, they are taking no responsibility whatsoever.
>The owner's manual for my car requires replacement at 80K miles.
>
>>From the research I've done, it seems clear that Audi knows about this
>problem and is not acknowledging it. Looking back, I find it strange
>that my service advisor reccomended that I should "think about
>replacing my belt" even though he did not say there were any signs that
>it would suddenly fail. I'm seeing this repeated all over various
>postings on the web.
>
>I have talked with a number of shops that specialize in Audi's and the
>common knowledge in this community is that Audi belts fail early. I've
>also found a number of informative sources on the matter and would
>appreciate it if anyone out there who knows more could reply to this
>group, especially related to the class action case.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Eric Davis
>
>Link to a news article in the Boston Globe (posted 7-17-2005) about a
>class action lawsuit that Audi settled related to early belt failures:
>http://www.boston.com/business/artic...gine_of_change
>
>Link to a helpful shop in LA that has experience with these failures:
>http://stuttgartauto.com/Stuttgart%2...tive%20Inc.htm
I have an 87 Audi 5000s.
The original timing belt broke after 17 years.
My fault, should have replaced it sooner!
>I found this article listed in this group:
>http://groups.google.com/group/alt.a...d39993f41cdb09
>
>Although the posting was from 2003, I'd like to inform everyone that
>this problem is still very much an issue today.
>
>I own a 2001 Audi TT Roadster and just experienced belt failure at 73K
>miles. Despite the fact that I have maintained the vehicle per Audi's
>spec's at the dealership, they are taking no responsibility whatsoever.
>The owner's manual for my car requires replacement at 80K miles.
>
>>From the research I've done, it seems clear that Audi knows about this
>problem and is not acknowledging it. Looking back, I find it strange
>that my service advisor reccomended that I should "think about
>replacing my belt" even though he did not say there were any signs that
>it would suddenly fail. I'm seeing this repeated all over various
>postings on the web.
>
>I have talked with a number of shops that specialize in Audi's and the
>common knowledge in this community is that Audi belts fail early. I've
>also found a number of informative sources on the matter and would
>appreciate it if anyone out there who knows more could reply to this
>group, especially related to the class action case.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Eric Davis
>
>Link to a news article in the Boston Globe (posted 7-17-2005) about a
>class action lawsuit that Audi settled related to early belt failures:
>http://www.boston.com/business/artic...gine_of_change
>
>Link to a helpful shop in LA that has experience with these failures:
>http://stuttgartauto.com/Stuttgart%2...tive%20Inc.htm
I have an 87 Audi 5000s.
The original timing belt broke after 17 years.
My fault, should have replaced it sooner!