Thomas G. Marshall

Please bear with me. I'm sorry if this is long.

2000 A4---1.8T---77K miles: Note, I am trying to fix an A/C system so I can
sell my car. $1400 to replace the evaporator is just nuts at this point.

There is a leak in the A/C system that both my mechanic and dealership have
concluded must be in the evaporator core because the dye just isn't coming
out anywhere.

However my mecahnic is puzzled by something though: His company repairs
Audi's a great deal and he said that since this car has had several
recharges with 1 leak stopper that targets the O-rings one of which I
replaced and at least 2 of the leak stoppers that is meant for heavier leaks
with dye's both UV and bright red, that he is having a hard time imagining
that even the evaporator core could hold that much dye + stop-leak oil base.
There is no sign of a leak anywhere: clean condensor, weld points,
compressor, lines, etc., etc.

Here's the whack job history:

1. June 2005: Mechanic 1 recharges system with dye.
---> a/c dead nearly right away

2. later June 2005: Dealership sees no dye and recharges with some form of
stop-leak (I think) and dye.
---> this lasts through the summer.

3. April 2006: A/C dead---Dealership recharges---sees no dye----puts in more
dye.
---> this lasts maybe a week

4. May 2006: Mechanic 2 recharges the system with a light stop-leak (not the
"gold" type) and replaces an O-Ring and the Schrader valve.
---> a/c dead but took a few days to lose a small amount of coolant. The
coolant is still there at a lesser amount but too low: the low-pressure
switch has shut down the a/c.

6. June 2006: Mechanic 2 is encouraged by the slow leak and refills and
drops in the dye and expensive stop-leak stuff. He lets it sit in his lot
for a few days and it holds pressure and produces very cold air.
---> a/c dead in a few days.

7. July 2006: Mechanic drops in one more strong stop-leak and dye.
---> This is gone within a few hours.

Can you tell me if there is any chance that the problem is not with the
evaporator core? Any other thoughts?

THANKS!

--
Doesn't /anyone/ know where I can find a credit card company that emails me
the minute something is charged to my account?

Regal53

I have put green neon dye in cars with leaky evaporators: You will see the
green stuff mixed in with the drain water while running the A/C at max. I
have replaced evaporators that had leaky o-rings, but that is the best way
to do it. If you cant see the dye, then you need to confirm lhe leak by
using an electronic beeper leak detector which can detect freon parts per
million.
"Thomas G. Marshall" <tgm2tothe10thpower@replacetextwithnumber.hotmail. com>
wrote in message news:BnQrg.178$hb3.12@trndny04...
> Please bear with me. I'm sorry if this is long.
>
> 2000 A4---1.8T---77K miles: Note, I am trying to fix an A/C system so I
> can sell my car. $1400 to replace the evaporator is just nuts at this
> point.
>
> There is a leak in the A/C system that both my mechanic and dealership
> have concluded must be in the evaporator core because the dye just isn't
> coming out anywhere.
>
> However my mecahnic is puzzled by something though: His company repairs
> Audi's a great deal and he said that since this car has had several
> recharges with 1 leak stopper that targets the O-rings one of which I
> replaced and at least 2 of the leak stoppers that is meant for heavier
> leaks with dye's both UV and bright red, that he is having a hard time
> imagining that even the evaporator core could hold that much dye +
> stop-leak oil base. There is no sign of a leak anywhere: clean condensor,
> weld points, compressor, lines, etc., etc.
>
> Here's the whack job history:
>
> 1. June 2005: Mechanic 1 recharges system with dye.
> ---> a/c dead nearly right away
>
> 2. later June 2005: Dealership sees no dye and recharges with some form of
> stop-leak (I think) and dye.
> ---> this lasts through the summer.
>
> 3. April 2006: A/C dead---Dealership recharges---sees no dye----puts in
> more dye.
> ---> this lasts maybe a week
>
> 4. May 2006: Mechanic 2 recharges the system with a light stop-leak (not
> the "gold" type) and replaces an O-Ring and the Schrader valve.
> ---> a/c dead but took a few days to lose a small amount of coolant. The
> coolant is still there at a lesser amount but too low: the low-pressure
> switch has shut down the a/c.
>
> 6. June 2006: Mechanic 2 is encouraged by the slow leak and refills and
> drops in the dye and expensive stop-leak stuff. He lets it sit in his lot
> for a few days and it holds pressure and produces very cold air.
> ---> a/c dead in a few days.
>
> 7. July 2006: Mechanic drops in one more strong stop-leak and dye.
> ---> This is gone within a few hours.
>
> Can you tell me if there is any chance that the problem is not with the
> evaporator core? Any other thoughts?
>
> THANKS!
>
> --
> Doesn't /anyone/ know where I can find a credit card company that emails
> me the minute something is charged to my account?
>
>

Regal53

I have put green neon dye in cars with leaky evaporators: You will see the
green stuff mixed in with the drain water while running the A/C at max. I
have replaced evaporators that had leaky o-rings, but that is the best way
to do it. If you cant see the dye, then you need to confirm lhe leak by
using an electronic beeper leak detector which can detect freon parts per
million.
"Thomas G. Marshall" <tgm2tothe10thpower@replacetextwithnumber.hotmail. com>
wrote in message news:BnQrg.178$hb3.12@trndny04...
> Please bear with me. I'm sorry if this is long.
>
> 2000 A4---1.8T---77K miles: Note, I am trying to fix an A/C system so I
> can sell my car. $1400 to replace the evaporator is just nuts at this
> point.
>
> There is a leak in the A/C system that both my mechanic and dealership
> have concluded must be in the evaporator core because the dye just isn't
> coming out anywhere.
>
> However my mecahnic is puzzled by something though: His company repairs
> Audi's a great deal and he said that since this car has had several
> recharges with 1 leak stopper that targets the O-rings one of which I
> replaced and at least 2 of the leak stoppers that is meant for heavier
> leaks with dye's both UV and bright red, that he is having a hard time
> imagining that even the evaporator core could hold that much dye +
> stop-leak oil base. There is no sign of a leak anywhere: clean condensor,
> weld points, compressor, lines, etc., etc.
>
> Here's the whack job history:
>
> 1. June 2005: Mechanic 1 recharges system with dye.
> ---> a/c dead nearly right away
>
> 2. later June 2005: Dealership sees no dye and recharges with some form of
> stop-leak (I think) and dye.
> ---> this lasts through the summer.
>
> 3. April 2006: A/C dead---Dealership recharges---sees no dye----puts in
> more dye.
> ---> this lasts maybe a week
>
> 4. May 2006: Mechanic 2 recharges the system with a light stop-leak (not
> the "gold" type) and replaces an O-Ring and the Schrader valve.
> ---> a/c dead but took a few days to lose a small amount of coolant. The
> coolant is still there at a lesser amount but too low: the low-pressure
> switch has shut down the a/c.
>
> 6. June 2006: Mechanic 2 is encouraged by the slow leak and refills and
> drops in the dye and expensive stop-leak stuff. He lets it sit in his lot
> for a few days and it holds pressure and produces very cold air.
> ---> a/c dead in a few days.
>
> 7. July 2006: Mechanic drops in one more strong stop-leak and dye.
> ---> This is gone within a few hours.
>
> Can you tell me if there is any chance that the problem is not with the
> evaporator core? Any other thoughts?
>
> THANKS!
>
> --
> Doesn't /anyone/ know where I can find a credit card company that emails
> me the minute something is charged to my account?
>
>

Regal53

I have put green neon dye in cars with leaky evaporators: You will see the
green stuff mixed in with the drain water while running the A/C at max. I
have replaced evaporators that had leaky o-rings, but that is the best way
to do it. If you cant see the dye, then you need to confirm lhe leak by
using an electronic beeper leak detector which can detect freon parts per
million.
"Thomas G. Marshall" <tgm2tothe10thpower@replacetextwithnumber.hotmail. com>
wrote in message news:BnQrg.178$hb3.12@trndny04...
> Please bear with me. I'm sorry if this is long.
>
> 2000 A4---1.8T---77K miles: Note, I am trying to fix an A/C system so I
> can sell my car. $1400 to replace the evaporator is just nuts at this
> point.
>
> There is a leak in the A/C system that both my mechanic and dealership
> have concluded must be in the evaporator core because the dye just isn't
> coming out anywhere.
>
> However my mecahnic is puzzled by something though: His company repairs
> Audi's a great deal and he said that since this car has had several
> recharges with 1 leak stopper that targets the O-rings one of which I
> replaced and at least 2 of the leak stoppers that is meant for heavier
> leaks with dye's both UV and bright red, that he is having a hard time
> imagining that even the evaporator core could hold that much dye +
> stop-leak oil base. There is no sign of a leak anywhere: clean condensor,
> weld points, compressor, lines, etc., etc.
>
> Here's the whack job history:
>
> 1. June 2005: Mechanic 1 recharges system with dye.
> ---> a/c dead nearly right away
>
> 2. later June 2005: Dealership sees no dye and recharges with some form of
> stop-leak (I think) and dye.
> ---> this lasts through the summer.
>
> 3. April 2006: A/C dead---Dealership recharges---sees no dye----puts in
> more dye.
> ---> this lasts maybe a week
>
> 4. May 2006: Mechanic 2 recharges the system with a light stop-leak (not
> the "gold" type) and replaces an O-Ring and the Schrader valve.
> ---> a/c dead but took a few days to lose a small amount of coolant. The
> coolant is still there at a lesser amount but too low: the low-pressure
> switch has shut down the a/c.
>
> 6. June 2006: Mechanic 2 is encouraged by the slow leak and refills and
> drops in the dye and expensive stop-leak stuff. He lets it sit in his lot
> for a few days and it holds pressure and produces very cold air.
> ---> a/c dead in a few days.
>
> 7. July 2006: Mechanic drops in one more strong stop-leak and dye.
> ---> This is gone within a few hours.
>
> Can you tell me if there is any chance that the problem is not with the
> evaporator core? Any other thoughts?
>
> THANKS!
>
> --
> Doesn't /anyone/ know where I can find a credit card company that emails
> me the minute something is charged to my account?
>
>

Regal53

I have put green neon dye in cars with leaky evaporators: You will see the
green stuff mixed in with the drain water while running the A/C at max. I
have replaced evaporators that had leaky o-rings, but that is the best way
to do it. If you cant see the dye, then you need to confirm lhe leak by
using an electronic beeper leak detector which can detect freon parts per
million.
"Thomas G. Marshall" <tgm2tothe10thpower@replacetextwithnumber.hotmail. com>
wrote in message news:BnQrg.178$hb3.12@trndny04...
> Please bear with me. I'm sorry if this is long.
>
> 2000 A4---1.8T---77K miles: Note, I am trying to fix an A/C system so I
> can sell my car. $1400 to replace the evaporator is just nuts at this
> point.
>
> There is a leak in the A/C system that both my mechanic and dealership
> have concluded must be in the evaporator core because the dye just isn't
> coming out anywhere.
>
> However my mecahnic is puzzled by something though: His company repairs
> Audi's a great deal and he said that since this car has had several
> recharges with 1 leak stopper that targets the O-rings one of which I
> replaced and at least 2 of the leak stoppers that is meant for heavier
> leaks with dye's both UV and bright red, that he is having a hard time
> imagining that even the evaporator core could hold that much dye +
> stop-leak oil base. There is no sign of a leak anywhere: clean condensor,
> weld points, compressor, lines, etc., etc.
>
> Here's the whack job history:
>
> 1. June 2005: Mechanic 1 recharges system with dye.
> ---> a/c dead nearly right away
>
> 2. later June 2005: Dealership sees no dye and recharges with some form of
> stop-leak (I think) and dye.
> ---> this lasts through the summer.
>
> 3. April 2006: A/C dead---Dealership recharges---sees no dye----puts in
> more dye.
> ---> this lasts maybe a week
>
> 4. May 2006: Mechanic 2 recharges the system with a light stop-leak (not
> the "gold" type) and replaces an O-Ring and the Schrader valve.
> ---> a/c dead but took a few days to lose a small amount of coolant. The
> coolant is still there at a lesser amount but too low: the low-pressure
> switch has shut down the a/c.
>
> 6. June 2006: Mechanic 2 is encouraged by the slow leak and refills and
> drops in the dye and expensive stop-leak stuff. He lets it sit in his lot
> for a few days and it holds pressure and produces very cold air.
> ---> a/c dead in a few days.
>
> 7. July 2006: Mechanic drops in one more strong stop-leak and dye.
> ---> This is gone within a few hours.
>
> Can you tell me if there is any chance that the problem is not with the
> evaporator core? Any other thoughts?
>
> THANKS!
>
> --
> Doesn't /anyone/ know where I can find a credit card company that emails
> me the minute something is charged to my account?
>
>

Thomas G. Marshall

Regal53 said something like:
>
> "Thomas G. Marshall"
> <tgm2tothe10thpower@replacetextwithnumber.hotmail. com>
> wrote in message news:BnQrg.178$hb3.12@trndny04...
>>
>> Please bear with me. I'm sorry if this is long.
>>
>> 2000 A4---1.8T---77K miles: Note, I am trying to fix an A/C system so I
>> can sell my car. $1400 to replace the evaporator is just nuts at this
>> point.
>>
>> There is a leak in the A/C system that both my mechanic and dealership
>> have concluded must be in the evaporator core because the dye just isn't
>> coming out anywhere.
>>
>> However my mecahnic is puzzled by something though: His company repairs
>> Audi's a great deal and he said that since this car has had several
>> recharges with 1 leak stopper that targets the O-rings one of which I
>> replaced and at least 2 of the leak stoppers that is meant for heavier
>> leaks with dye's both UV and bright red, that he is having a hard time
>> imagining that even the evaporator core could hold that much dye +
>> stop-leak oil base. There is no sign of a leak anywhere: clean condensor,
>> weld points, compressor, lines, etc., etc.
>
> I have put green neon dye in cars with leaky evaporators: You will see the
> green stuff mixed in with the drain water while running the A/C at max. I
> have replaced evaporators that had leaky o-rings, but that is the best way
> to do it. If you cant see the dye, then you need to confirm lhe leak by
> using an electronic beeper leak detector which can detect freon parts per
> million.

I think he's done that, and cannot find a *thing* anywhere. THAT and it
holds the vacuum for an hour, but then leaks out under pressure. And not
always consistently. Once it took days. The last one was less than 4 hours
(dunno how much less) before the low pressure switch cut it off.

Is it possible to have a line somewhere that is loose such that the vacuum
pulls it tight, but internal pressure pushes it open??? Any other ideas?

Thanks!!!

PS. I'm sorry for bottom post formatting your reply----but I am trying to
keep the conversation in order so that any interleaved posters would be able
interject properly without creating a mess. Thanks.


--
"It's easier to be terrified by an enemy you admire."
-Thufir Hawat, Mentat and Master of Assassins to House Atreides

Thomas G. Marshall

Regal53 said something like:
>
> "Thomas G. Marshall"
> <tgm2tothe10thpower@replacetextwithnumber.hotmail. com>
> wrote in message news:BnQrg.178$hb3.12@trndny04...
>>
>> Please bear with me. I'm sorry if this is long.
>>
>> 2000 A4---1.8T---77K miles: Note, I am trying to fix an A/C system so I
>> can sell my car. $1400 to replace the evaporator is just nuts at this
>> point.
>>
>> There is a leak in the A/C system that both my mechanic and dealership
>> have concluded must be in the evaporator core because the dye just isn't
>> coming out anywhere.
>>
>> However my mecahnic is puzzled by something though: His company repairs
>> Audi's a great deal and he said that since this car has had several
>> recharges with 1 leak stopper that targets the O-rings one of which I
>> replaced and at least 2 of the leak stoppers that is meant for heavier
>> leaks with dye's both UV and bright red, that he is having a hard time
>> imagining that even the evaporator core could hold that much dye +
>> stop-leak oil base. There is no sign of a leak anywhere: clean condensor,
>> weld points, compressor, lines, etc., etc.
>
> I have put green neon dye in cars with leaky evaporators: You will see the
> green stuff mixed in with the drain water while running the A/C at max. I
> have replaced evaporators that had leaky o-rings, but that is the best way
> to do it. If you cant see the dye, then you need to confirm lhe leak by
> using an electronic beeper leak detector which can detect freon parts per
> million.

I think he's done that, and cannot find a *thing* anywhere. THAT and it
holds the vacuum for an hour, but then leaks out under pressure. And not
always consistently. Once it took days. The last one was less than 4 hours
(dunno how much less) before the low pressure switch cut it off.

Is it possible to have a line somewhere that is loose such that the vacuum
pulls it tight, but internal pressure pushes it open??? Any other ideas?

Thanks!!!

PS. I'm sorry for bottom post formatting your reply----but I am trying to
keep the conversation in order so that any interleaved posters would be able
interject properly without creating a mess. Thanks.


--
"It's easier to be terrified by an enemy you admire."
-Thufir Hawat, Mentat and Master of Assassins to House Atreides

Thomas G. Marshall

Regal53 said something like:
>
> "Thomas G. Marshall"
> <tgm2tothe10thpower@replacetextwithnumber.hotmail. com>
> wrote in message news:BnQrg.178$hb3.12@trndny04...
>>
>> Please bear with me. I'm sorry if this is long.
>>
>> 2000 A4---1.8T---77K miles: Note, I am trying to fix an A/C system so I
>> can sell my car. $1400 to replace the evaporator is just nuts at this
>> point.
>>
>> There is a leak in the A/C system that both my mechanic and dealership
>> have concluded must be in the evaporator core because the dye just isn't
>> coming out anywhere.
>>
>> However my mecahnic is puzzled by something though: His company repairs
>> Audi's a great deal and he said that since this car has had several
>> recharges with 1 leak stopper that targets the O-rings one of which I
>> replaced and at least 2 of the leak stoppers that is meant for heavier
>> leaks with dye's both UV and bright red, that he is having a hard time
>> imagining that even the evaporator core could hold that much dye +
>> stop-leak oil base. There is no sign of a leak anywhere: clean condensor,
>> weld points, compressor, lines, etc., etc.
>
> I have put green neon dye in cars with leaky evaporators: You will see the
> green stuff mixed in with the drain water while running the A/C at max. I
> have replaced evaporators that had leaky o-rings, but that is the best way
> to do it. If you cant see the dye, then you need to confirm lhe leak by
> using an electronic beeper leak detector which can detect freon parts per
> million.

I think he's done that, and cannot find a *thing* anywhere. THAT and it
holds the vacuum for an hour, but then leaks out under pressure. And not
always consistently. Once it took days. The last one was less than 4 hours
(dunno how much less) before the low pressure switch cut it off.

Is it possible to have a line somewhere that is loose such that the vacuum
pulls it tight, but internal pressure pushes it open??? Any other ideas?

Thanks!!!

PS. I'm sorry for bottom post formatting your reply----but I am trying to
keep the conversation in order so that any interleaved posters would be able
interject properly without creating a mess. Thanks.


--
"It's easier to be terrified by an enemy you admire."
-Thufir Hawat, Mentat and Master of Assassins to House Atreides

Thomas G. Marshall

Regal53 said something like:
>
> "Thomas G. Marshall"
> <tgm2tothe10thpower@replacetextwithnumber.hotmail. com>
> wrote in message news:BnQrg.178$hb3.12@trndny04...
>>
>> Please bear with me. I'm sorry if this is long.
>>
>> 2000 A4---1.8T---77K miles: Note, I am trying to fix an A/C system so I
>> can sell my car. $1400 to replace the evaporator is just nuts at this
>> point.
>>
>> There is a leak in the A/C system that both my mechanic and dealership
>> have concluded must be in the evaporator core because the dye just isn't
>> coming out anywhere.
>>
>> However my mecahnic is puzzled by something though: His company repairs
>> Audi's a great deal and he said that since this car has had several
>> recharges with 1 leak stopper that targets the O-rings one of which I
>> replaced and at least 2 of the leak stoppers that is meant for heavier
>> leaks with dye's both UV and bright red, that he is having a hard time
>> imagining that even the evaporator core could hold that much dye +
>> stop-leak oil base. There is no sign of a leak anywhere: clean condensor,
>> weld points, compressor, lines, etc., etc.
>
> I have put green neon dye in cars with leaky evaporators: You will see the
> green stuff mixed in with the drain water while running the A/C at max. I
> have replaced evaporators that had leaky o-rings, but that is the best way
> to do it. If you cant see the dye, then you need to confirm lhe leak by
> using an electronic beeper leak detector which can detect freon parts per
> million.

I think he's done that, and cannot find a *thing* anywhere. THAT and it
holds the vacuum for an hour, but then leaks out under pressure. And not
always consistently. Once it took days. The last one was less than 4 hours
(dunno how much less) before the low pressure switch cut it off.

Is it possible to have a line somewhere that is loose such that the vacuum
pulls it tight, but internal pressure pushes it open??? Any other ideas?

Thanks!!!

PS. I'm sorry for bottom post formatting your reply----but I am trying to
keep the conversation in order so that any interleaved posters would be able
interject properly without creating a mess. Thanks.


--
"It's easier to be terrified by an enemy you admire."
-Thufir Hawat, Mentat and Master of Assassins to House Atreides

Regal53

Highly unlikely. Try a diffrent technician/shop.
"Thomas G. Marshall" <tgm2tothe10thpower@replacetextwithnumber.hotmail. com>
wrote in message news:dvwug.9135$T87.2899@trndny05...
> Regal53 said something like:
>>
>> "Thomas G. Marshall"
>> <tgm2tothe10thpower@replacetextwithnumber.hotmail. com>
>> wrote in message news:BnQrg.178$hb3.12@trndny04...
>>>
>>> Please bear with me. I'm sorry if this is long.
>>>
>>> 2000 A4---1.8T---77K miles: Note, I am trying to fix an A/C system so I
>>> can sell my car. $1400 to replace the evaporator is just nuts at this
>>> point.
>>>
>>> There is a leak in the A/C system that both my mechanic and dealership
>>> have concluded must be in the evaporator core because the dye just isn't
>>> coming out anywhere.
>>>
>>> However my mecahnic is puzzled by something though: His company repairs
>>> Audi's a great deal and he said that since this car has had several
>>> recharges with 1 leak stopper that targets the O-rings one of which I
>>> replaced and at least 2 of the leak stoppers that is meant for heavier
>>> leaks with dye's both UV and bright red, that he is having a hard time
>>> imagining that even the evaporator core could hold that much dye +
>>> stop-leak oil base. There is no sign of a leak anywhere: clean
>>> condensor,
>>> weld points, compressor, lines, etc., etc.
>>
>> I have put green neon dye in cars with leaky evaporators: You will see
>> the
>> green stuff mixed in with the drain water while running the A/C at max. I
>> have replaced evaporators that had leaky o-rings, but that is the best
>> way
>> to do it. If you cant see the dye, then you need to confirm lhe leak by
>> using an electronic beeper leak detector which can detect freon parts per
>> million.
>
> I think he's done that, and cannot find a *thing* anywhere. THAT and it
> holds the vacuum for an hour, but then leaks out under pressure. And not
> always consistently. Once it took days. The last one was less than 4
> hours (dunno how much less) before the low pressure switch cut it off.
>
> Is it possible to have a line somewhere that is loose such that the vacuum
> pulls it tight, but internal pressure pushes it open??? Any other ideas?
>
> Thanks!!!
>
> PS. I'm sorry for bottom post formatting your reply----but I am trying to
> keep the conversation in order so that any interleaved posters would be
> able interject properly without creating a mess. Thanks.
>
>
> --
> "It's easier to be terrified by an enemy you admire."
> -Thufir Hawat, Mentat and Master of Assassins to House Atreides
>
>