oil consumption in new 2007 A4 2.0T Quatro
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Re: oil consumption in new 2007 A4 2.0T Quatro
"Roscoe P Pendoscoe" <mrshade@I_wont_see_it.net> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 10 May 2007 21:52:06 -0400, Dave LaCourse
> <dplacourse@pirateaol.com> wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 11 May 2007 02:04:57 +0100, Peter
>><peter@SPAMMERSGOTOHELL.allblue.f9.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>>On Tue, 08 May 2007 18:40:45 -0500, Roscoe P Pendoscoe
>>><mrshade@I_wont_see_it.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Anyone else with Audi oil consumption issues?
>
> Well,
>
> First, thanks for all the replies and info from everyone.
>
> I again talked with my dealer and raised the bar a little by saying I
> was in the process of contacting the regional Audi office to voice my
> complaints and I'll keep banging on their ears until I got some form
> of satisfaction.
>
> There is no way I am adding oil to a new car between oil changes.
> That's a fact.
Then don't and face the consequences
>
> This time I was told I could use other oil as long as it did meet the
> VW 502 spec someone else had mentioned but most likely would not
> improve the consumtion issue. That, I believe.
>
> I also was told it would improve as the rings seated and "broke in".
>
> What crap. I stopped building and racing Super/Comp and Super/Gas cars
> about 10 years ago with some having 13..5:1 compression 900 HP and no
> long break-in periods on those type of motors to seat oil and
> compression rings. After some seasons with 100+ full out passes, they
> still didn't use any discernable oil unless a catastrophic failure
> occurred.
>
>
> Enough said,
>
They were driven hard. Is your Audi driven hard?
Huw
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Re: oil consumption in new 2007 A4 2.0T Quatro
"Roscoe P Pendoscoe" <mrshade@I_wont_see_it.net> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 10 May 2007 21:52:06 -0400, Dave LaCourse
> <dplacourse@pirateaol.com> wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 11 May 2007 02:04:57 +0100, Peter
>><peter@SPAMMERSGOTOHELL.allblue.f9.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>>On Tue, 08 May 2007 18:40:45 -0500, Roscoe P Pendoscoe
>>><mrshade@I_wont_see_it.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Anyone else with Audi oil consumption issues?
>
> Well,
>
> First, thanks for all the replies and info from everyone.
>
> I again talked with my dealer and raised the bar a little by saying I
> was in the process of contacting the regional Audi office to voice my
> complaints and I'll keep banging on their ears until I got some form
> of satisfaction.
>
> There is no way I am adding oil to a new car between oil changes.
> That's a fact.
Then don't and face the consequences
>
> This time I was told I could use other oil as long as it did meet the
> VW 502 spec someone else had mentioned but most likely would not
> improve the consumtion issue. That, I believe.
>
> I also was told it would improve as the rings seated and "broke in".
>
> What crap. I stopped building and racing Super/Comp and Super/Gas cars
> about 10 years ago with some having 13..5:1 compression 900 HP and no
> long break-in periods on those type of motors to seat oil and
> compression rings. After some seasons with 100+ full out passes, they
> still didn't use any discernable oil unless a catastrophic failure
> occurred.
>
>
> Enough said,
>
They were driven hard. Is your Audi driven hard?
Huw
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Re: oil consumption in new 2007 A4 2.0T Quatro
"Roscoe P Pendoscoe" <mrshade@I_wont_see_it.net> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 10 May 2007 21:52:06 -0400, Dave LaCourse
> <dplacourse@pirateaol.com> wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 11 May 2007 02:04:57 +0100, Peter
>><peter@SPAMMERSGOTOHELL.allblue.f9.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>>On Tue, 08 May 2007 18:40:45 -0500, Roscoe P Pendoscoe
>>><mrshade@I_wont_see_it.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Anyone else with Audi oil consumption issues?
>
> Well,
>
> First, thanks for all the replies and info from everyone.
>
> I again talked with my dealer and raised the bar a little by saying I
> was in the process of contacting the regional Audi office to voice my
> complaints and I'll keep banging on their ears until I got some form
> of satisfaction.
>
> There is no way I am adding oil to a new car between oil changes.
> That's a fact.
Then don't and face the consequences
>
> This time I was told I could use other oil as long as it did meet the
> VW 502 spec someone else had mentioned but most likely would not
> improve the consumtion issue. That, I believe.
>
> I also was told it would improve as the rings seated and "broke in".
>
> What crap. I stopped building and racing Super/Comp and Super/Gas cars
> about 10 years ago with some having 13..5:1 compression 900 HP and no
> long break-in periods on those type of motors to seat oil and
> compression rings. After some seasons with 100+ full out passes, they
> still didn't use any discernable oil unless a catastrophic failure
> occurred.
>
>
> Enough said,
>
They were driven hard. Is your Audi driven hard?
Huw
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Re: oil consumption in new 2007 A4 2.0T Quatro
"H.D." <hdesmet_weg_@myonline.be> wrote in message
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> Hi Peter
>
>>I also have a 2002 A4 with the 3.0 V6. My experience is a long way
>>from yours: I carry a bottle of oil around with me, and expect to see
>>the warning light two or three times between services. (The dipstick
>>is so difficult to read as to be useless.) And, as I've already
>>mentioned, my brother-in-law's experience is worse. Clearly, there's
>>no consistency here. For no obvious reason, some of these cars use a
>>lot of oil, whilst others don't.
>
> I've talked about that whith the dealer when I've bought my new A4.
> I also read many issues about oilconsumption.
> He said it's *most of the time* due to a bad brake in periode or due to
> some people who has changes DIY *much to early* the oil or drive their
> car to "soft" when braking it in. I.g. they have never used the real
> power.
>
Your dealer is 100% correct. After warming the engine reasonably gently
these engines need to be driven under load to bed in. They do not appreciate
some engine do-gooder changing the oil at 1000 miles either.
A glazed engine will never perform or last as long as an engine that has a
proper start in life. If it uses oil at 15,000 miles then it will likely
continue to be a lazy drinkaholic until it is scrapped.
Huw
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Re: oil consumption in new 2007 A4 2.0T Quatro
"H.D." <hdesmet_weg_@myonline.be> wrote in message
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> Hi Peter
>
>>I also have a 2002 A4 with the 3.0 V6. My experience is a long way
>>from yours: I carry a bottle of oil around with me, and expect to see
>>the warning light two or three times between services. (The dipstick
>>is so difficult to read as to be useless.) And, as I've already
>>mentioned, my brother-in-law's experience is worse. Clearly, there's
>>no consistency here. For no obvious reason, some of these cars use a
>>lot of oil, whilst others don't.
>
> I've talked about that whith the dealer when I've bought my new A4.
> I also read many issues about oilconsumption.
> He said it's *most of the time* due to a bad brake in periode or due to
> some people who has changes DIY *much to early* the oil or drive their
> car to "soft" when braking it in. I.g. they have never used the real
> power.
>
Your dealer is 100% correct. After warming the engine reasonably gently
these engines need to be driven under load to bed in. They do not appreciate
some engine do-gooder changing the oil at 1000 miles either.
A glazed engine will never perform or last as long as an engine that has a
proper start in life. If it uses oil at 15,000 miles then it will likely
continue to be a lazy drinkaholic until it is scrapped.
Huw
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Re: oil consumption in new 2007 A4 2.0T Quatro
"H.D." <hdesmet_weg_@myonline.be> wrote in message
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> Hi Peter
>
>>I also have a 2002 A4 with the 3.0 V6. My experience is a long way
>>from yours: I carry a bottle of oil around with me, and expect to see
>>the warning light two or three times between services. (The dipstick
>>is so difficult to read as to be useless.) And, as I've already
>>mentioned, my brother-in-law's experience is worse. Clearly, there's
>>no consistency here. For no obvious reason, some of these cars use a
>>lot of oil, whilst others don't.
>
> I've talked about that whith the dealer when I've bought my new A4.
> I also read many issues about oilconsumption.
> He said it's *most of the time* due to a bad brake in periode or due to
> some people who has changes DIY *much to early* the oil or drive their
> car to "soft" when braking it in. I.g. they have never used the real
> power.
>
Your dealer is 100% correct. After warming the engine reasonably gently
these engines need to be driven under load to bed in. They do not appreciate
some engine do-gooder changing the oil at 1000 miles either.
A glazed engine will never perform or last as long as an engine that has a
proper start in life. If it uses oil at 15,000 miles then it will likely
continue to be a lazy drinkaholic until it is scrapped.
Huw
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Re: oil consumption in new 2007 A4 2.0T Quatro
"H.D." <hdesmet_weg_@myonline.be> wrote in message
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> Hi Peter
>
>>I also have a 2002 A4 with the 3.0 V6. My experience is a long way
>>from yours: I carry a bottle of oil around with me, and expect to see
>>the warning light two or three times between services. (The dipstick
>>is so difficult to read as to be useless.) And, as I've already
>>mentioned, my brother-in-law's experience is worse. Clearly, there's
>>no consistency here. For no obvious reason, some of these cars use a
>>lot of oil, whilst others don't.
>
> I've talked about that whith the dealer when I've bought my new A4.
> I also read many issues about oilconsumption.
> He said it's *most of the time* due to a bad brake in periode or due to
> some people who has changes DIY *much to early* the oil or drive their
> car to "soft" when braking it in. I.g. they have never used the real
> power.
>
Your dealer is 100% correct. After warming the engine reasonably gently
these engines need to be driven under load to bed in. They do not appreciate
some engine do-gooder changing the oil at 1000 miles either.
A glazed engine will never perform or last as long as an engine that has a
proper start in life. If it uses oil at 15,000 miles then it will likely
continue to be a lazy drinkaholic until it is scrapped.
Huw
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Re: oil consumption in new 2007 A4 2.0T Quatro
"Zathras" <webnewsgroup@nospamthanks.hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 12 May 2007 06:44:37 -0500, Roscoe P Pendoscoe
> <mrshade@I_wont_see_it.net> wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 10 May 2007 21:52:06 -0400, Dave LaCourse
>><dplacourse@pirateaol.com> wrote:
>
>>There is no way I am adding oil to a new car between oil changes.
>>That's a fact.
>
> It's not unreasonable to have to add some oil to a new engine as
> things loosen up and bed in though.
>
>>I also was told it would improve as the rings seated and "broke in".
>>
>>What crap.
>
> Quite. There will be no honing pattern left on the cylinder walls.
> Indeed, they'll probably be glazed now so I don't see how the rings
> can dramatically improve (if that's where the oil is coming from).
>
>
>>I stopped building and racing Super/Comp and Super/Gas cars
>>about 10 years ago with some having 13..5:1 compression 900 HP and no
>>long break-in periods on those type of motors to seat oil and
>>compression rings. After some seasons with 100+ full out passes, they
>>still didn't use any discernable oil unless a catastrophic failure
>>occurred.
>
> There's a school of thought that says that the best way to run in
> piston rings is to drive the engine hard for the first 20 miles of its
> life. This loads up the rings, pushes them properly out into contact
> with the honing pattern on the cylinder walls and wears both into a
> nice tightly matched pair before the honing pattern is worn off and
> the cylinder walls become glazed. The theory is supposedly proven on
> the racetrack where chronic bad oil consumption is rare and gentle
> running in is rarer!
>
> Other than a specific fault, engines that burn large amounts of oil
> tend to have been built with poor tolerances - this is not unheard of
> with European engines. The usual ways for an end user to damage an
> engine are the simple traditional ones of overheating them, running
> low on oil or not changing the oil or using completely the wrong fuel.
>
> However, it's not uncommon to find that a new engine that uses huge
> amounts of oil is also run low (to the point of slight damage) by an
> unsuspecting user. From that point on, oil consumption is often high.
>
> --
> Z
Apart from very high performance engines built slack, like the BMW 'M'
series, European engines are built to very fine tolerances out of very high
quality metal. This is the reason they need to be run-in under load and the
fine consistent finish to all parts is partly why most VW petrol engines can
have to 20,000 mile oil change intervals while some of the diesels are good
for up to 30,000 mile oil changes.
Huw
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Re: oil consumption in new 2007 A4 2.0T Quatro
"Zathras" <webnewsgroup@nospamthanks.hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 12 May 2007 06:44:37 -0500, Roscoe P Pendoscoe
> <mrshade@I_wont_see_it.net> wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 10 May 2007 21:52:06 -0400, Dave LaCourse
>><dplacourse@pirateaol.com> wrote:
>
>>There is no way I am adding oil to a new car between oil changes.
>>That's a fact.
>
> It's not unreasonable to have to add some oil to a new engine as
> things loosen up and bed in though.
>
>>I also was told it would improve as the rings seated and "broke in".
>>
>>What crap.
>
> Quite. There will be no honing pattern left on the cylinder walls.
> Indeed, they'll probably be glazed now so I don't see how the rings
> can dramatically improve (if that's where the oil is coming from).
>
>
>>I stopped building and racing Super/Comp and Super/Gas cars
>>about 10 years ago with some having 13..5:1 compression 900 HP and no
>>long break-in periods on those type of motors to seat oil and
>>compression rings. After some seasons with 100+ full out passes, they
>>still didn't use any discernable oil unless a catastrophic failure
>>occurred.
>
> There's a school of thought that says that the best way to run in
> piston rings is to drive the engine hard for the first 20 miles of its
> life. This loads up the rings, pushes them properly out into contact
> with the honing pattern on the cylinder walls and wears both into a
> nice tightly matched pair before the honing pattern is worn off and
> the cylinder walls become glazed. The theory is supposedly proven on
> the racetrack where chronic bad oil consumption is rare and gentle
> running in is rarer!
>
> Other than a specific fault, engines that burn large amounts of oil
> tend to have been built with poor tolerances - this is not unheard of
> with European engines. The usual ways for an end user to damage an
> engine are the simple traditional ones of overheating them, running
> low on oil or not changing the oil or using completely the wrong fuel.
>
> However, it's not uncommon to find that a new engine that uses huge
> amounts of oil is also run low (to the point of slight damage) by an
> unsuspecting user. From that point on, oil consumption is often high.
>
> --
> Z
Apart from very high performance engines built slack, like the BMW 'M'
series, European engines are built to very fine tolerances out of very high
quality metal. This is the reason they need to be run-in under load and the
fine consistent finish to all parts is partly why most VW petrol engines can
have to 20,000 mile oil change intervals while some of the diesels are good
for up to 30,000 mile oil changes.
Huw
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Re: oil consumption in new 2007 A4 2.0T Quatro
"Zathras" <webnewsgroup@nospamthanks.hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 12 May 2007 06:44:37 -0500, Roscoe P Pendoscoe
> <mrshade@I_wont_see_it.net> wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 10 May 2007 21:52:06 -0400, Dave LaCourse
>><dplacourse@pirateaol.com> wrote:
>
>>There is no way I am adding oil to a new car between oil changes.
>>That's a fact.
>
> It's not unreasonable to have to add some oil to a new engine as
> things loosen up and bed in though.
>
>>I also was told it would improve as the rings seated and "broke in".
>>
>>What crap.
>
> Quite. There will be no honing pattern left on the cylinder walls.
> Indeed, they'll probably be glazed now so I don't see how the rings
> can dramatically improve (if that's where the oil is coming from).
>
>
>>I stopped building and racing Super/Comp and Super/Gas cars
>>about 10 years ago with some having 13..5:1 compression 900 HP and no
>>long break-in periods on those type of motors to seat oil and
>>compression rings. After some seasons with 100+ full out passes, they
>>still didn't use any discernable oil unless a catastrophic failure
>>occurred.
>
> There's a school of thought that says that the best way to run in
> piston rings is to drive the engine hard for the first 20 miles of its
> life. This loads up the rings, pushes them properly out into contact
> with the honing pattern on the cylinder walls and wears both into a
> nice tightly matched pair before the honing pattern is worn off and
> the cylinder walls become glazed. The theory is supposedly proven on
> the racetrack where chronic bad oil consumption is rare and gentle
> running in is rarer!
>
> Other than a specific fault, engines that burn large amounts of oil
> tend to have been built with poor tolerances - this is not unheard of
> with European engines. The usual ways for an end user to damage an
> engine are the simple traditional ones of overheating them, running
> low on oil or not changing the oil or using completely the wrong fuel.
>
> However, it's not uncommon to find that a new engine that uses huge
> amounts of oil is also run low (to the point of slight damage) by an
> unsuspecting user. From that point on, oil consumption is often high.
>
> --
> Z
Apart from very high performance engines built slack, like the BMW 'M'
series, European engines are built to very fine tolerances out of very high
quality metal. This is the reason they need to be run-in under load and the
fine consistent finish to all parts is partly why most VW petrol engines can
have to 20,000 mile oil change intervals while some of the diesels are good
for up to 30,000 mile oil changes.
Huw