New A3.. juddering clutch pedal
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Re: New A3.. juddering clutch pedal
eko wrote:
> When you say you keep it in first when the lights are about to change, is
> the clutch fully in or are you getting the bite on it also?
Uhm, right. Having first one on, or neutral makes no difference if you
have clutch in the neutral mode. So that's just a prefer or different
drives, do you have gear 'on' all the time, or do you use neutral. If
your leg doesn't get tired, who cares.
You shouldn't keep it on the 'biting point' for a long time. When
starting uphill, you might need to do this, or in the winter, when you
can't push too much power to the road at once. But even so, these are
just few seconds.
I've heard of this 'keep in on the bite, when starting from lights'.
However I believe even your driver teacher meant, that you should just
keep it that way to prevent car from sliding backwards, after taking off
the brake, not keeping it there
So, try to learn the 'right way' of using clutch and manual gears, it'll
save money for you in the long run. Or buy automatic gears..
- Yak
> When you say you keep it in first when the lights are about to change, is
> the clutch fully in or are you getting the bite on it also?
Uhm, right. Having first one on, or neutral makes no difference if you
have clutch in the neutral mode. So that's just a prefer or different
drives, do you have gear 'on' all the time, or do you use neutral. If
your leg doesn't get tired, who cares.
You shouldn't keep it on the 'biting point' for a long time. When
starting uphill, you might need to do this, or in the winter, when you
can't push too much power to the road at once. But even so, these are
just few seconds.
I've heard of this 'keep in on the bite, when starting from lights'.
However I believe even your driver teacher meant, that you should just
keep it that way to prevent car from sliding backwards, after taking off
the brake, not keeping it there
So, try to learn the 'right way' of using clutch and manual gears, it'll
save money for you in the long run. Or buy automatic gears..
- Yak
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Re: New A3.. juddering clutch pedal
In article <c0bl95$2418q$1@midnight.cs.hut.fi>, Michael Burman <yak@iki-
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>eko wrote:
>> When you say you keep it in first when the lights are about to change, is
>> the clutch fully in or are you getting the bite on it also?
>
>Uhm, right. Having first one on, or neutral makes no difference if you
>have clutch in the neutral mode. So that's just a prefer or different
>drives, do you have gear 'on' all the time, or do you use neutral. If
>your leg doesn't get tired, who cares.
>
>You shouldn't keep it on the 'biting point' for a long time. When
>starting uphill, you might need to do this, or in the winter, when you
>can't push too much power to the road at once. But even so, these are
>just few seconds.
>
>I've heard of this 'keep in on the bite, when starting from lights'.
>However I believe even your driver teacher meant, that you should just
>keep it that way to prevent car from sliding backwards, after taking off
>the brake, not keeping it there
>
>So, try to learn the 'right way' of using clutch and manual gears, it'll
>save money for you in the long run. Or buy automatic gears..
Just to say, regardless of correct driving procedures, there is no way
the clutch should be juddering like you describe at the biting point,
and if the dealer says otherwise I'd take serious issue with it.
--
Toby
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>eko wrote:
>> When you say you keep it in first when the lights are about to change, is
>> the clutch fully in or are you getting the bite on it also?
>
>Uhm, right. Having first one on, or neutral makes no difference if you
>have clutch in the neutral mode. So that's just a prefer or different
>drives, do you have gear 'on' all the time, or do you use neutral. If
>your leg doesn't get tired, who cares.
>
>You shouldn't keep it on the 'biting point' for a long time. When
>starting uphill, you might need to do this, or in the winter, when you
>can't push too much power to the road at once. But even so, these are
>just few seconds.
>
>I've heard of this 'keep in on the bite, when starting from lights'.
>However I believe even your driver teacher meant, that you should just
>keep it that way to prevent car from sliding backwards, after taking off
>the brake, not keeping it there
>
>So, try to learn the 'right way' of using clutch and manual gears, it'll
>save money for you in the long run. Or buy automatic gears..
Just to say, regardless of correct driving procedures, there is no way
the clutch should be juddering like you describe at the biting point,
and if the dealer says otherwise I'd take serious issue with it.
--
Toby
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Re: New A3.. juddering clutch pedal
In article <402954e0$1_2@127.0.0.1>, eko <eko@NO_SPAM_k-chan.net> writes
>Yeah, my original instructor said the same thing. When the lights were red,
>engage first and wait. He told me to have the "bite" on the clutch in first
>gear, ready when it was time to go, and then apply power while lifting the
>clutch up slowly.
Here in the UK, our lights go from red alone, to red and amber together,
then to green. I was always taught that when you arrive at a red light
you should put the car in neutral and engage the handbrake.
When the amber light comes on, you should slot it into first, bring the
clutch to the biting point and put your hand on the handbrake ready to
release and move off on green.
--
Toby
>Yeah, my original instructor said the same thing. When the lights were red,
>engage first and wait. He told me to have the "bite" on the clutch in first
>gear, ready when it was time to go, and then apply power while lifting the
>clutch up slowly.
Here in the UK, our lights go from red alone, to red and amber together,
then to green. I was always taught that when you arrive at a red light
you should put the car in neutral and engage the handbrake.
When the amber light comes on, you should slot it into first, bring the
clutch to the biting point and put your hand on the handbrake ready to
release and move off on green.
--
Toby
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Re: New A3.. juddering clutch pedal
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"Toby Groves" <news@iconia.org.uk> wrote in message
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> Here in the UK, our lights go from red alone, to red and amber together,
> then to green. I was always taught that when you arrive at a red light
> you should put the car in neutral and engage the handbrake.
>
> When the amber light comes on, you should slot it into first, bring the
> clutch to the biting point and put your hand on the handbrake ready to
> release and move off on green.
There are probably as many different methods of teaching as there are
driving instructors
I was taught that, even when sitting at a red light, you have first gear
engaged with the clutch pedal fully pressed down, *not* at the biting point.
I personally keep the car in neutral as I prefer that to sitting in first,
unless there is a good chance that the lights will change within about 5-10
seconds.
"Toby Groves" <news@iconia.org.uk> wrote in message
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> Here in the UK, our lights go from red alone, to red and amber together,
> then to green. I was always taught that when you arrive at a red light
> you should put the car in neutral and engage the handbrake.
>
> When the amber light comes on, you should slot it into first, bring the
> clutch to the biting point and put your hand on the handbrake ready to
> release and move off on green.
There are probably as many different methods of teaching as there are
driving instructors
I was taught that, even when sitting at a red light, you have first gear
engaged with the clutch pedal fully pressed down, *not* at the biting point.
I personally keep the car in neutral as I prefer that to sitting in first,
unless there is a good chance that the lights will change within about 5-10
seconds.
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"eko" <eko@NO_SPAM_k-chan.net> wrote in message
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> "Graham" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
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> > In my A3, you wouldn't be able to hold it at the biting point without
> power.
> > If you do, it will engage the anti-stall mechanism and apply a small
> amount
> > of power to prevent a stall.
>
> Actually, I wasn't aware of such a mechanism on my A3
Give it a go, its a bit weird but quite handy. Keep your foot over the
accelerator but not pressing on it, then slowly release the clutch. You'll
feel the accelerator being pulled away from you and the anti-stall kick in.
It takes a lot *not* to press the accelerator as a natural reflex
Of course it can only help so much, so if you release the clutch too quickly
it will stall.
> When you say you keep it in first when the lights are about to change, is
> the clutch fully in or are you getting the bite on it also?
Fully in.
"eko" <eko@NO_SPAM_k-chan.net> wrote in message
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> "Graham" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
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> > In my A3, you wouldn't be able to hold it at the biting point without
> power.
> > If you do, it will engage the anti-stall mechanism and apply a small
> amount
> > of power to prevent a stall.
>
> Actually, I wasn't aware of such a mechanism on my A3
Give it a go, its a bit weird but quite handy. Keep your foot over the
accelerator but not pressing on it, then slowly release the clutch. You'll
feel the accelerator being pulled away from you and the anti-stall kick in.
It takes a lot *not* to press the accelerator as a natural reflex
Of course it can only help so much, so if you release the clutch too quickly
it will stall.
> When you say you keep it in first when the lights are about to change, is
> the clutch fully in or are you getting the bite on it also?
Fully in.
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"Toby Groves" <news@iconia.org.uk> wrote in message
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> Just to say, regardless of correct driving procedures, there is no way
> the clutch should be juddering like you describe at the biting point,
> and if the dealer says otherwise I'd take serious issue with it.
Thanks Toby, I think this is a fair point to make too.
Needless to say, I've been taught a lesson in driving by the kind folk
here.. ..but I guess it still doesn't answer the question about why the
clutch does judder when I do get to the bite on the clutch, even when I have
it there for a few seconds.
I think I'll have to bring it back to the dealer and leave it with them to
get it checked out.
Thanks!
...Ray
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> Just to say, regardless of correct driving procedures, there is no way
> the clutch should be juddering like you describe at the biting point,
> and if the dealer says otherwise I'd take serious issue with it.
Thanks Toby, I think this is a fair point to make too.
Needless to say, I've been taught a lesson in driving by the kind folk
here.. ..but I guess it still doesn't answer the question about why the
clutch does judder when I do get to the bite on the clutch, even when I have
it there for a few seconds.
I think I'll have to bring it back to the dealer and leave it with them to
get it checked out.
Thanks!
...Ray
ekoSheren inc. awaits..
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"Michael Burman" <yak@iki-fi.invalid> wrote in message
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> So, try to learn the 'right way' of using clutch and manual gears, it'll
> save money for you in the long run. Or buy automatic gears..
Yeah.. maybe I should have gone with the automatic indeed.. If only I
could afford the 3.2 DSG version..
...Ray
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> So, try to learn the 'right way' of using clutch and manual gears, it'll
> save money for you in the long run. Or buy automatic gears..
Yeah.. maybe I should have gone with the automatic indeed.. If only I
could afford the 3.2 DSG version..
...Ray
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"Graham" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
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> Give it a go, its a bit weird but quite handy. Keep your foot over the
> accelerator but not pressing on it, then slowly release the clutch.
You'll
> feel the accelerator being pulled away from you and the anti-stall kick
in.
> It takes a lot *not* to press the accelerator as a natural reflex
>
> Of course it can only help so much, so if you release the clutch too
quickly
> it will stall.
Yeah, will give it a try later. I don't think this is documented in the
manual, is it? The new A3 does seem to have some nice bits and pieces on
there. I was quite surprised to find the wipers go to intermittent when the
car is stopped, then goes back to the previous full setting when you move
away. Handy!
...Ray
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> Give it a go, its a bit weird but quite handy. Keep your foot over the
> accelerator but not pressing on it, then slowly release the clutch.
You'll
> feel the accelerator being pulled away from you and the anti-stall kick
in.
> It takes a lot *not* to press the accelerator as a natural reflex
>
> Of course it can only help so much, so if you release the clutch too
quickly
> it will stall.
Yeah, will give it a try later. I don't think this is documented in the
manual, is it? The new A3 does seem to have some nice bits and pieces on
there. I was quite surprised to find the wipers go to intermittent when the
car is stopped, then goes back to the previous full setting when you move
away. Handy!
...Ray
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"Toby Groves" <news@iconia.org.uk> wrote in message
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> In article <402954e0$1_2@127.0.0.1>, eko <eko@NO_SPAM_k-chan.net> writes
> Here in the UK, our lights go from red alone, to red and amber together,
> then to green. I was always taught that when you arrive at a red light
> you should put the car in neutral and engage the handbrake.
>
> When the amber light comes on, you should slot it into first, bring the
> clutch to the biting point and put your hand on the handbrake ready to
> release and move off on green.
Where we are, the lights just go to green, so you kind of have to look at
the lights facing other directions to try to pre-empt the lights. If at
this point that I bring the clutch up, it would judder and a knocking noise
comes from the engine, just prior to my applying power. So, I can't get the
bite and push the clutch in a little more, which eliminates the juddering
(and noise). With the clutch in further, I apply more power and release the
clutch more to move off.
At first I thought that it was the car about to stall (juddering) but I'm
wondering why it happens sometimes only at the same biting point, and only
when there's a bit of heat in the engine?
...Ray
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> In article <402954e0$1_2@127.0.0.1>, eko <eko@NO_SPAM_k-chan.net> writes
> Here in the UK, our lights go from red alone, to red and amber together,
> then to green. I was always taught that when you arrive at a red light
> you should put the car in neutral and engage the handbrake.
>
> When the amber light comes on, you should slot it into first, bring the
> clutch to the biting point and put your hand on the handbrake ready to
> release and move off on green.
Where we are, the lights just go to green, so you kind of have to look at
the lights facing other directions to try to pre-empt the lights. If at
this point that I bring the clutch up, it would judder and a knocking noise
comes from the engine, just prior to my applying power. So, I can't get the
bite and push the clutch in a little more, which eliminates the juddering
(and noise). With the clutch in further, I apply more power and release the
clutch more to move off.
At first I thought that it was the car about to stall (juddering) but I'm
wondering why it happens sometimes only at the same biting point, and only
when there's a bit of heat in the engine?
...Ray
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Re: New A3.. juddering clutch pedal
Toby Groves wrote:
> Just to say, regardless of correct driving procedures, there is no way
> the clutch should be juddering like you describe at the biting point,
> and if the dealer says otherwise I'd take serious issue with it.
True, unless keeping in the biting point means that revs get too low and
it starts shaking because of that. Someone said A3 had something to
prevent this, I haven't noticed yet, but then again it doesn't shake for me.
- Yak
> Just to say, regardless of correct driving procedures, there is no way
> the clutch should be juddering like you describe at the biting point,
> and if the dealer says otherwise I'd take serious issue with it.
True, unless keeping in the biting point means that revs get too low and
it starts shaking because of that. Someone said A3 had something to
prevent this, I haven't noticed yet, but then again it doesn't shake for me.
- Yak