An M3 owner talks about his S4
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Re: An M3 owner talks about his S4
On Sun, 08 Jul 2007 17:39:28 GMT, dizzy <dizzy@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>daytripper wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 07 Jul 2007 00:58:41 GMT, dizzy <dizzy@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>>mjcecil@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>>>In the end, it may sound like I prefer the M3 over the S4... That's
>>>>simply not the case. I absolutely LOVE the S4, and I have no regrets
>>>>about making the change.
>>>
>>>Nice report. I hope you as happy a few years from now, when the Audi
>>>has had more time to show it's reliability (or not).
>>
>>You mean like the detonating M3 engines?
>
>I was thinking more along the lines of electrical issues, which I have
>the impression is an issue for both brands.
I have both of these cars. They are a bit old (-00) so minor errors
are not any suprices. Both are very hard driven compared to average of
this kinds of cars due to speed, average 100 mph or more, not much on
autobahn in Germany but this is on small and winding roads with a lot
of the milage on gravel surface roads.
Both my BMW and AUDI have needed some replacement parts but nothing
unusual compared to how I use the cars.
But my AUDI needs new front pads twice a year and once a year new
front discs and bearings. I have tested several brands of pads but
harder pads seems only to reduce lifetime of the disc. For the BMW do
I mount new pads every year and have newer replaced the discs or
bearings. Shock absobers have I destroyed severals on both cars but it
is mainly due to bad roads.
Regarding electrical problem, here is my view:
A typical electrical fault in AUDI causes engine in limp mode, you
need vag-com to get 5 errors, all hard to understand, and every error
costs 100$ at least and even after that you are not sure what the
original problem was.
A typical electrical problem in BMW is a faulty switch for rear
defroster. Can be bought at any junkyard for ~ 2$.
AUDI is in my mind a more complex car overall and specially the engine
and transmission.
I agree that it is a nice car on rainy/snowy roads as long as you
drive straight forward at a highway, even at high speeds.
High speed on snowy winding roads, with that I mean such speed that
you need all four wheels to give tracktion in prefered direction
before and through the bends, then is my S4 at best useless and even
dangerous if I have forgot to inactivate the electronic stabilty
system.
BMW is as good as the driver is able to handle. I general do I have
shorter time between work and home with the BMW but I am also
perspiring more compared when I arrive compared to when I drive the a
lot more comfortable AUDI. The few times I have been sweaty in the
AUDI, have been caused by that the ride not have been under good
control.
I have heard that RS4 is much better to handle on slippery roads but
it is too expensive for me.
/Alf
>daytripper wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 07 Jul 2007 00:58:41 GMT, dizzy <dizzy@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>>mjcecil@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>>>In the end, it may sound like I prefer the M3 over the S4... That's
>>>>simply not the case. I absolutely LOVE the S4, and I have no regrets
>>>>about making the change.
>>>
>>>Nice report. I hope you as happy a few years from now, when the Audi
>>>has had more time to show it's reliability (or not).
>>
>>You mean like the detonating M3 engines?
>
>I was thinking more along the lines of electrical issues, which I have
>the impression is an issue for both brands.
I have both of these cars. They are a bit old (-00) so minor errors
are not any suprices. Both are very hard driven compared to average of
this kinds of cars due to speed, average 100 mph or more, not much on
autobahn in Germany but this is on small and winding roads with a lot
of the milage on gravel surface roads.
Both my BMW and AUDI have needed some replacement parts but nothing
unusual compared to how I use the cars.
But my AUDI needs new front pads twice a year and once a year new
front discs and bearings. I have tested several brands of pads but
harder pads seems only to reduce lifetime of the disc. For the BMW do
I mount new pads every year and have newer replaced the discs or
bearings. Shock absobers have I destroyed severals on both cars but it
is mainly due to bad roads.
Regarding electrical problem, here is my view:
A typical electrical fault in AUDI causes engine in limp mode, you
need vag-com to get 5 errors, all hard to understand, and every error
costs 100$ at least and even after that you are not sure what the
original problem was.
A typical electrical problem in BMW is a faulty switch for rear
defroster. Can be bought at any junkyard for ~ 2$.
AUDI is in my mind a more complex car overall and specially the engine
and transmission.
I agree that it is a nice car on rainy/snowy roads as long as you
drive straight forward at a highway, even at high speeds.
High speed on snowy winding roads, with that I mean such speed that
you need all four wheels to give tracktion in prefered direction
before and through the bends, then is my S4 at best useless and even
dangerous if I have forgot to inactivate the electronic stabilty
system.
BMW is as good as the driver is able to handle. I general do I have
shorter time between work and home with the BMW but I am also
perspiring more compared when I arrive compared to when I drive the a
lot more comfortable AUDI. The few times I have been sweaty in the
AUDI, have been caused by that the ride not have been under good
control.
I have heard that RS4 is much better to handle on slippery roads but
it is too expensive for me.
/Alf
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Re: An M3 owner talks about his S4
On Sun, 08 Jul 2007 17:39:28 GMT, dizzy <dizzy@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>daytripper wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 07 Jul 2007 00:58:41 GMT, dizzy <dizzy@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>>mjcecil@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>>>In the end, it may sound like I prefer the M3 over the S4... That's
>>>>simply not the case. I absolutely LOVE the S4, and I have no regrets
>>>>about making the change.
>>>
>>>Nice report. I hope you as happy a few years from now, when the Audi
>>>has had more time to show it's reliability (or not).
>>
>>You mean like the detonating M3 engines?
>
>I was thinking more along the lines of electrical issues, which I have
>the impression is an issue for both brands.
I have both of these cars. They are a bit old (-00) so minor errors
are not any suprices. Both are very hard driven compared to average of
this kinds of cars due to speed, average 100 mph or more, not much on
autobahn in Germany but this is on small and winding roads with a lot
of the milage on gravel surface roads.
Both my BMW and AUDI have needed some replacement parts but nothing
unusual compared to how I use the cars.
But my AUDI needs new front pads twice a year and once a year new
front discs and bearings. I have tested several brands of pads but
harder pads seems only to reduce lifetime of the disc. For the BMW do
I mount new pads every year and have newer replaced the discs or
bearings. Shock absobers have I destroyed severals on both cars but it
is mainly due to bad roads.
Regarding electrical problem, here is my view:
A typical electrical fault in AUDI causes engine in limp mode, you
need vag-com to get 5 errors, all hard to understand, and every error
costs 100$ at least and even after that you are not sure what the
original problem was.
A typical electrical problem in BMW is a faulty switch for rear
defroster. Can be bought at any junkyard for ~ 2$.
AUDI is in my mind a more complex car overall and specially the engine
and transmission.
I agree that it is a nice car on rainy/snowy roads as long as you
drive straight forward at a highway, even at high speeds.
High speed on snowy winding roads, with that I mean such speed that
you need all four wheels to give tracktion in prefered direction
before and through the bends, then is my S4 at best useless and even
dangerous if I have forgot to inactivate the electronic stabilty
system.
BMW is as good as the driver is able to handle. I general do I have
shorter time between work and home with the BMW but I am also
perspiring more compared when I arrive compared to when I drive the a
lot more comfortable AUDI. The few times I have been sweaty in the
AUDI, have been caused by that the ride not have been under good
control.
I have heard that RS4 is much better to handle on slippery roads but
it is too expensive for me.
/Alf
>daytripper wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 07 Jul 2007 00:58:41 GMT, dizzy <dizzy@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>>mjcecil@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>>>In the end, it may sound like I prefer the M3 over the S4... That's
>>>>simply not the case. I absolutely LOVE the S4, and I have no regrets
>>>>about making the change.
>>>
>>>Nice report. I hope you as happy a few years from now, when the Audi
>>>has had more time to show it's reliability (or not).
>>
>>You mean like the detonating M3 engines?
>
>I was thinking more along the lines of electrical issues, which I have
>the impression is an issue for both brands.
I have both of these cars. They are a bit old (-00) so minor errors
are not any suprices. Both are very hard driven compared to average of
this kinds of cars due to speed, average 100 mph or more, not much on
autobahn in Germany but this is on small and winding roads with a lot
of the milage on gravel surface roads.
Both my BMW and AUDI have needed some replacement parts but nothing
unusual compared to how I use the cars.
But my AUDI needs new front pads twice a year and once a year new
front discs and bearings. I have tested several brands of pads but
harder pads seems only to reduce lifetime of the disc. For the BMW do
I mount new pads every year and have newer replaced the discs or
bearings. Shock absobers have I destroyed severals on both cars but it
is mainly due to bad roads.
Regarding electrical problem, here is my view:
A typical electrical fault in AUDI causes engine in limp mode, you
need vag-com to get 5 errors, all hard to understand, and every error
costs 100$ at least and even after that you are not sure what the
original problem was.
A typical electrical problem in BMW is a faulty switch for rear
defroster. Can be bought at any junkyard for ~ 2$.
AUDI is in my mind a more complex car overall and specially the engine
and transmission.
I agree that it is a nice car on rainy/snowy roads as long as you
drive straight forward at a highway, even at high speeds.
High speed on snowy winding roads, with that I mean such speed that
you need all four wheels to give tracktion in prefered direction
before and through the bends, then is my S4 at best useless and even
dangerous if I have forgot to inactivate the electronic stabilty
system.
BMW is as good as the driver is able to handle. I general do I have
shorter time between work and home with the BMW but I am also
perspiring more compared when I arrive compared to when I drive the a
lot more comfortable AUDI. The few times I have been sweaty in the
AUDI, have been caused by that the ride not have been under good
control.
I have heard that RS4 is much better to handle on slippery roads but
it is too expensive for me.
/Alf
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Re: An M3 owner talks about his S4
On Sun, 08 Jul 2007 17:39:28 GMT, dizzy <dizzy@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>daytripper wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 07 Jul 2007 00:58:41 GMT, dizzy <dizzy@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>>mjcecil@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>>>In the end, it may sound like I prefer the M3 over the S4... That's
>>>>simply not the case. I absolutely LOVE the S4, and I have no regrets
>>>>about making the change.
>>>
>>>Nice report. I hope you as happy a few years from now, when the Audi
>>>has had more time to show it's reliability (or not).
>>
>>You mean like the detonating M3 engines?
>
>I was thinking more along the lines of electrical issues, which I have
>the impression is an issue for both brands.
I have both of these cars. They are a bit old (-00) so minor errors
are not any suprices. Both are very hard driven compared to average of
this kinds of cars due to speed, average 100 mph or more, not much on
autobahn in Germany but this is on small and winding roads with a lot
of the milage on gravel surface roads.
Both my BMW and AUDI have needed some replacement parts but nothing
unusual compared to how I use the cars.
But my AUDI needs new front pads twice a year and once a year new
front discs and bearings. I have tested several brands of pads but
harder pads seems only to reduce lifetime of the disc. For the BMW do
I mount new pads every year and have newer replaced the discs or
bearings. Shock absobers have I destroyed severals on both cars but it
is mainly due to bad roads.
Regarding electrical problem, here is my view:
A typical electrical fault in AUDI causes engine in limp mode, you
need vag-com to get 5 errors, all hard to understand, and every error
costs 100$ at least and even after that you are not sure what the
original problem was.
A typical electrical problem in BMW is a faulty switch for rear
defroster. Can be bought at any junkyard for ~ 2$.
AUDI is in my mind a more complex car overall and specially the engine
and transmission.
I agree that it is a nice car on rainy/snowy roads as long as you
drive straight forward at a highway, even at high speeds.
High speed on snowy winding roads, with that I mean such speed that
you need all four wheels to give tracktion in prefered direction
before and through the bends, then is my S4 at best useless and even
dangerous if I have forgot to inactivate the electronic stabilty
system.
BMW is as good as the driver is able to handle. I general do I have
shorter time between work and home with the BMW but I am also
perspiring more compared when I arrive compared to when I drive the a
lot more comfortable AUDI. The few times I have been sweaty in the
AUDI, have been caused by that the ride not have been under good
control.
I have heard that RS4 is much better to handle on slippery roads but
it is too expensive for me.
/Alf
>daytripper wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 07 Jul 2007 00:58:41 GMT, dizzy <dizzy@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>>mjcecil@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>>>In the end, it may sound like I prefer the M3 over the S4... That's
>>>>simply not the case. I absolutely LOVE the S4, and I have no regrets
>>>>about making the change.
>>>
>>>Nice report. I hope you as happy a few years from now, when the Audi
>>>has had more time to show it's reliability (or not).
>>
>>You mean like the detonating M3 engines?
>
>I was thinking more along the lines of electrical issues, which I have
>the impression is an issue for both brands.
I have both of these cars. They are a bit old (-00) so minor errors
are not any suprices. Both are very hard driven compared to average of
this kinds of cars due to speed, average 100 mph or more, not much on
autobahn in Germany but this is on small and winding roads with a lot
of the milage on gravel surface roads.
Both my BMW and AUDI have needed some replacement parts but nothing
unusual compared to how I use the cars.
But my AUDI needs new front pads twice a year and once a year new
front discs and bearings. I have tested several brands of pads but
harder pads seems only to reduce lifetime of the disc. For the BMW do
I mount new pads every year and have newer replaced the discs or
bearings. Shock absobers have I destroyed severals on both cars but it
is mainly due to bad roads.
Regarding electrical problem, here is my view:
A typical electrical fault in AUDI causes engine in limp mode, you
need vag-com to get 5 errors, all hard to understand, and every error
costs 100$ at least and even after that you are not sure what the
original problem was.
A typical electrical problem in BMW is a faulty switch for rear
defroster. Can be bought at any junkyard for ~ 2$.
AUDI is in my mind a more complex car overall and specially the engine
and transmission.
I agree that it is a nice car on rainy/snowy roads as long as you
drive straight forward at a highway, even at high speeds.
High speed on snowy winding roads, with that I mean such speed that
you need all four wheels to give tracktion in prefered direction
before and through the bends, then is my S4 at best useless and even
dangerous if I have forgot to inactivate the electronic stabilty
system.
BMW is as good as the driver is able to handle. I general do I have
shorter time between work and home with the BMW but I am also
perspiring more compared when I arrive compared to when I drive the a
lot more comfortable AUDI. The few times I have been sweaty in the
AUDI, have been caused by that the ride not have been under good
control.
I have heard that RS4 is much better to handle on slippery roads but
it is too expensive for me.
/Alf
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Re: An M3 owner talks about his S4
On Mon, 9 Jul 2007, Alf.F wrote:
> But my AUDI needs new front pads twice a year and once a year new
> front discs and bearings.
One thing that has surprised me is that my 2002 A4 3.0Q, now with
95,000 miles, is still on the original pads.
Steev
> But my AUDI needs new front pads twice a year and once a year new
> front discs and bearings.
One thing that has surprised me is that my 2002 A4 3.0Q, now with
95,000 miles, is still on the original pads.
Steev
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Re: An M3 owner talks about his S4
On Mon, 9 Jul 2007, Alf.F wrote:
> But my AUDI needs new front pads twice a year and once a year new
> front discs and bearings.
One thing that has surprised me is that my 2002 A4 3.0Q, now with
95,000 miles, is still on the original pads.
Steev
> But my AUDI needs new front pads twice a year and once a year new
> front discs and bearings.
One thing that has surprised me is that my 2002 A4 3.0Q, now with
95,000 miles, is still on the original pads.
Steev
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Re: An M3 owner talks about his S4
On Mon, 9 Jul 2007, Alf.F wrote:
> But my AUDI needs new front pads twice a year and once a year new
> front discs and bearings.
One thing that has surprised me is that my 2002 A4 3.0Q, now with
95,000 miles, is still on the original pads.
Steev
> But my AUDI needs new front pads twice a year and once a year new
> front discs and bearings.
One thing that has surprised me is that my 2002 A4 3.0Q, now with
95,000 miles, is still on the original pads.
Steev
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Re: An M3 owner talks about his S4
On Mon, 9 Jul 2007, Alf.F wrote:
> But my AUDI needs new front pads twice a year and once a year new
> front discs and bearings.
One thing that has surprised me is that my 2002 A4 3.0Q, now with
95,000 miles, is still on the original pads.
Steev
> But my AUDI needs new front pads twice a year and once a year new
> front discs and bearings.
One thing that has surprised me is that my 2002 A4 3.0Q, now with
95,000 miles, is still on the original pads.
Steev
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Re: An M3 owner talks about his S4
"Steve Thompson" <smt@vgersoft.com> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 9 Jul 2007, Alf.F wrote:
>
>> But my AUDI needs new front pads twice a year and once a year new
>> front discs and bearings.
Given the exhuberant driving style (100mph on rural roads!?!), I can
understand rapid turnover on pads. And new rotors every other pad change
seems reasonable. But new front wheel bearings annually? Hawthorne vice
Fangio?
> One thing that has surprised me is that my 2002 A4 3.0Q, now with
> 95,000 miles, is still on the original pads.
More in line with most drivers' experience.
R / John
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Re: An M3 owner talks about his S4
"Steve Thompson" <smt@vgersoft.com> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 9 Jul 2007, Alf.F wrote:
>
>> But my AUDI needs new front pads twice a year and once a year new
>> front discs and bearings.
Given the exhuberant driving style (100mph on rural roads!?!), I can
understand rapid turnover on pads. And new rotors every other pad change
seems reasonable. But new front wheel bearings annually? Hawthorne vice
Fangio?
> One thing that has surprised me is that my 2002 A4 3.0Q, now with
> 95,000 miles, is still on the original pads.
More in line with most drivers' experience.
R / John
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Re: An M3 owner talks about his S4
"Steve Thompson" <smt@vgersoft.com> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 9 Jul 2007, Alf.F wrote:
>
>> But my AUDI needs new front pads twice a year and once a year new
>> front discs and bearings.
Given the exhuberant driving style (100mph on rural roads!?!), I can
understand rapid turnover on pads. And new rotors every other pad change
seems reasonable. But new front wheel bearings annually? Hawthorne vice
Fangio?
> One thing that has surprised me is that my 2002 A4 3.0Q, now with
> 95,000 miles, is still on the original pads.
More in line with most drivers' experience.
R / John