Guess What (follow-up)?
#71
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Re: Guess What (follow-up)?
I feel it's especially
>> disappointing as we are paying dear money for these cars in the
>> belief that they are going to be German-reliable and I have always
>> know Germans to be very serious about whatever they do.
>
> So you had your warranty work done on recall 5 years ago, and you now have
> 100k miles on the clock and expect that a wear item should be replaced
> under
> warranty?
The point is that they are badly and underengineered and this is exactly why
they must be covered for the life of the car.
> I know the suspension arms on Audi's is poor but they do last for at least
> a
> few years which is "good enough.
It is precisely because of this soft critical attitude that they will get
away with it yet once again.
> remember most Audi owners are repeat customers, once you buy an Audi you
> dont go back.
This is exactly why they should treat us with some respect instead of
disdain.
>> disappointing as we are paying dear money for these cars in the
>> belief that they are going to be German-reliable and I have always
>> know Germans to be very serious about whatever they do.
>
> So you had your warranty work done on recall 5 years ago, and you now have
> 100k miles on the clock and expect that a wear item should be replaced
> under
> warranty?
The point is that they are badly and underengineered and this is exactly why
they must be covered for the life of the car.
> I know the suspension arms on Audi's is poor but they do last for at least
> a
> few years which is "good enough.
It is precisely because of this soft critical attitude that they will get
away with it yet once again.
> remember most Audi owners are repeat customers, once you buy an Audi you
> dont go back.
This is exactly why they should treat us with some respect instead of
disdain.
#72
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Re: Guess What (follow-up)?
I feel it's especially
>> disappointing as we are paying dear money for these cars in the
>> belief that they are going to be German-reliable and I have always
>> know Germans to be very serious about whatever they do.
>
> So you had your warranty work done on recall 5 years ago, and you now have
> 100k miles on the clock and expect that a wear item should be replaced
> under
> warranty?
The point is that they are badly and underengineered and this is exactly why
they must be covered for the life of the car.
> I know the suspension arms on Audi's is poor but they do last for at least
> a
> few years which is "good enough.
It is precisely because of this soft critical attitude that they will get
away with it yet once again.
> remember most Audi owners are repeat customers, once you buy an Audi you
> dont go back.
This is exactly why they should treat us with some respect instead of
disdain.
>> disappointing as we are paying dear money for these cars in the
>> belief that they are going to be German-reliable and I have always
>> know Germans to be very serious about whatever they do.
>
> So you had your warranty work done on recall 5 years ago, and you now have
> 100k miles on the clock and expect that a wear item should be replaced
> under
> warranty?
The point is that they are badly and underengineered and this is exactly why
they must be covered for the life of the car.
> I know the suspension arms on Audi's is poor but they do last for at least
> a
> few years which is "good enough.
It is precisely because of this soft critical attitude that they will get
away with it yet once again.
> remember most Audi owners are repeat customers, once you buy an Audi you
> dont go back.
This is exactly why they should treat us with some respect instead of
disdain.
#73
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Re: Guess What (follow-up)?
I feel it's especially
>> disappointing as we are paying dear money for these cars in the
>> belief that they are going to be German-reliable and I have always
>> know Germans to be very serious about whatever they do.
>
> So you had your warranty work done on recall 5 years ago, and you now have
> 100k miles on the clock and expect that a wear item should be replaced
> under
> warranty?
The point is that they are badly and underengineered and this is exactly why
they must be covered for the life of the car.
> I know the suspension arms on Audi's is poor but they do last for at least
> a
> few years which is "good enough.
It is precisely because of this soft critical attitude that they will get
away with it yet once again.
> remember most Audi owners are repeat customers, once you buy an Audi you
> dont go back.
This is exactly why they should treat us with some respect instead of
disdain.
>> disappointing as we are paying dear money for these cars in the
>> belief that they are going to be German-reliable and I have always
>> know Germans to be very serious about whatever they do.
>
> So you had your warranty work done on recall 5 years ago, and you now have
> 100k miles on the clock and expect that a wear item should be replaced
> under
> warranty?
The point is that they are badly and underengineered and this is exactly why
they must be covered for the life of the car.
> I know the suspension arms on Audi's is poor but they do last for at least
> a
> few years which is "good enough.
It is precisely because of this soft critical attitude that they will get
away with it yet once again.
> remember most Audi owners are repeat customers, once you buy an Audi you
> dont go back.
This is exactly why they should treat us with some respect instead of
disdain.
#74
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Re: Guess What (follow-up)?
Until Audi had a large enough supply, there *just
> weren't enough* coil packs to replace four when one was faulty.
I can't believe you bought such a lame excuse. This is no excuse at all,
remember they do have all the necessary cars it takes to supply just any
market. If it'd been a Chinese customer placing an order for 500 A6 on
condition that they must be made within three week's time they sure would
have taken and fullfilled the demand.
> Flat out wrong.
Where's that link?
> Mercedes and BMW have exactly the same policy.
I friend of mine had the whole of his '02 M3's engine replaced 2 months out
of warranty before it broke - which remains to be seen whether it would have
happened. This is exactly the right and opposite policy. I don't know about
Mercedes.
> Where again is this dealer that's not replacing non-faulty parts for
> free?
Pretty much everywhere else when it's a clear case of underengineering.
#75
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Re: Guess What (follow-up)?
Until Audi had a large enough supply, there *just
> weren't enough* coil packs to replace four when one was faulty.
I can't believe you bought such a lame excuse. This is no excuse at all,
remember they do have all the necessary cars it takes to supply just any
market. If it'd been a Chinese customer placing an order for 500 A6 on
condition that they must be made within three week's time they sure would
have taken and fullfilled the demand.
> Flat out wrong.
Where's that link?
> Mercedes and BMW have exactly the same policy.
I friend of mine had the whole of his '02 M3's engine replaced 2 months out
of warranty before it broke - which remains to be seen whether it would have
happened. This is exactly the right and opposite policy. I don't know about
Mercedes.
> Where again is this dealer that's not replacing non-faulty parts for
> free?
Pretty much everywhere else when it's a clear case of underengineering.
#76
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Re: Guess What (follow-up)?
Until Audi had a large enough supply, there *just
> weren't enough* coil packs to replace four when one was faulty.
I can't believe you bought such a lame excuse. This is no excuse at all,
remember they do have all the necessary cars it takes to supply just any
market. If it'd been a Chinese customer placing an order for 500 A6 on
condition that they must be made within three week's time they sure would
have taken and fullfilled the demand.
> Flat out wrong.
Where's that link?
> Mercedes and BMW have exactly the same policy.
I friend of mine had the whole of his '02 M3's engine replaced 2 months out
of warranty before it broke - which remains to be seen whether it would have
happened. This is exactly the right and opposite policy. I don't know about
Mercedes.
> Where again is this dealer that's not replacing non-faulty parts for
> free?
Pretty much everywhere else when it's a clear case of underengineering.
#77
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Re: Guess What (follow-up)?
JP Roberts wrote:
>Can you provide any links proving that any other presumably "serious" makes
>have had problems with suspension arms?
Arms?
We were talking about the replacement policy, right?
But ok:
Google search for '$BRANDHERE front suspension problem' gives
Honda
http://tinyurl.com/9jcny
http://tinyurl.com/abu76
http://tinyurl.com/9b5ta
Toyota:
http://tinyurl.com/89hff
This one might be worth a quote:
**************
My experience with Toyota was the same: they rush and do a minimal
work to appear trying to fix things and when they fail they tell you
that they do not know what to do next or they refer you to the Toyota
Representative.
I suggest that you ask your dealer put you in contact with the Toyota
Representative and if that does not work try arbitration
(1-888-300-6237).
I also suggest that "you do not hold your breath(!)" even if
arbitration results in your favor. The decision is supposed to be
"binding on Toyota," it isn't. In my case even if the arbitrator
decided that Toyota should repair the car, Toyota did not.
*****
End Quote
http://tinyurl.com/br9d4
BMW
http://tinyurl.com/beh4z
http://tinyurl.com/a6g2u
Merc
http://tinyurl.com/bqca5
http://tinyurl.com/99s5d
>Again I'll appreciate any links you can provide in that direction, as the
>only things I seem to have read about Honda was that they were by far much
>more reliable than any German makes, and every owner seemed to be more or
>less pretty happy about their Hondas.
Ok. Just for starters (unfortunately in german, but you'll recognize
the pattern. The less the number of needed assistances is, the better
it is):
Roadside assistances medium to upperclass cars
http://tinyurl.com/8j3dl
medium class:
http://tinyurl.com/drqzc
Then I got bored searching.
Regards
Wolfgang
>Can you provide any links proving that any other presumably "serious" makes
>have had problems with suspension arms?
Arms?
We were talking about the replacement policy, right?
But ok:
Google search for '$BRANDHERE front suspension problem' gives
Honda
http://tinyurl.com/9jcny
http://tinyurl.com/abu76
http://tinyurl.com/9b5ta
Toyota:
http://tinyurl.com/89hff
This one might be worth a quote:
**************
My experience with Toyota was the same: they rush and do a minimal
work to appear trying to fix things and when they fail they tell you
that they do not know what to do next or they refer you to the Toyota
Representative.
I suggest that you ask your dealer put you in contact with the Toyota
Representative and if that does not work try arbitration
(1-888-300-6237).
I also suggest that "you do not hold your breath(!)" even if
arbitration results in your favor. The decision is supposed to be
"binding on Toyota," it isn't. In my case even if the arbitrator
decided that Toyota should repair the car, Toyota did not.
*****
End Quote
http://tinyurl.com/br9d4
BMW
http://tinyurl.com/beh4z
http://tinyurl.com/a6g2u
Merc
http://tinyurl.com/bqca5
http://tinyurl.com/99s5d
>Again I'll appreciate any links you can provide in that direction, as the
>only things I seem to have read about Honda was that they were by far much
>more reliable than any German makes, and every owner seemed to be more or
>less pretty happy about their Hondas.
Ok. Just for starters (unfortunately in german, but you'll recognize
the pattern. The less the number of needed assistances is, the better
it is):
Roadside assistances medium to upperclass cars
http://tinyurl.com/8j3dl
medium class:
http://tinyurl.com/drqzc
Then I got bored searching.
Regards
Wolfgang
#78
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Re: Guess What (follow-up)?
JP Roberts wrote:
>Can you provide any links proving that any other presumably "serious" makes
>have had problems with suspension arms?
Arms?
We were talking about the replacement policy, right?
But ok:
Google search for '$BRANDHERE front suspension problem' gives
Honda
http://tinyurl.com/9jcny
http://tinyurl.com/abu76
http://tinyurl.com/9b5ta
Toyota:
http://tinyurl.com/89hff
This one might be worth a quote:
**************
My experience with Toyota was the same: they rush and do a minimal
work to appear trying to fix things and when they fail they tell you
that they do not know what to do next or they refer you to the Toyota
Representative.
I suggest that you ask your dealer put you in contact with the Toyota
Representative and if that does not work try arbitration
(1-888-300-6237).
I also suggest that "you do not hold your breath(!)" even if
arbitration results in your favor. The decision is supposed to be
"binding on Toyota," it isn't. In my case even if the arbitrator
decided that Toyota should repair the car, Toyota did not.
*****
End Quote
http://tinyurl.com/br9d4
BMW
http://tinyurl.com/beh4z
http://tinyurl.com/a6g2u
Merc
http://tinyurl.com/bqca5
http://tinyurl.com/99s5d
>Again I'll appreciate any links you can provide in that direction, as the
>only things I seem to have read about Honda was that they were by far much
>more reliable than any German makes, and every owner seemed to be more or
>less pretty happy about their Hondas.
Ok. Just for starters (unfortunately in german, but you'll recognize
the pattern. The less the number of needed assistances is, the better
it is):
Roadside assistances medium to upperclass cars
http://tinyurl.com/8j3dl
medium class:
http://tinyurl.com/drqzc
Then I got bored searching.
Regards
Wolfgang
>Can you provide any links proving that any other presumably "serious" makes
>have had problems with suspension arms?
Arms?
We were talking about the replacement policy, right?
But ok:
Google search for '$BRANDHERE front suspension problem' gives
Honda
http://tinyurl.com/9jcny
http://tinyurl.com/abu76
http://tinyurl.com/9b5ta
Toyota:
http://tinyurl.com/89hff
This one might be worth a quote:
**************
My experience with Toyota was the same: they rush and do a minimal
work to appear trying to fix things and when they fail they tell you
that they do not know what to do next or they refer you to the Toyota
Representative.
I suggest that you ask your dealer put you in contact with the Toyota
Representative and if that does not work try arbitration
(1-888-300-6237).
I also suggest that "you do not hold your breath(!)" even if
arbitration results in your favor. The decision is supposed to be
"binding on Toyota," it isn't. In my case even if the arbitrator
decided that Toyota should repair the car, Toyota did not.
*****
End Quote
http://tinyurl.com/br9d4
BMW
http://tinyurl.com/beh4z
http://tinyurl.com/a6g2u
Merc
http://tinyurl.com/bqca5
http://tinyurl.com/99s5d
>Again I'll appreciate any links you can provide in that direction, as the
>only things I seem to have read about Honda was that they were by far much
>more reliable than any German makes, and every owner seemed to be more or
>less pretty happy about their Hondas.
Ok. Just for starters (unfortunately in german, but you'll recognize
the pattern. The less the number of needed assistances is, the better
it is):
Roadside assistances medium to upperclass cars
http://tinyurl.com/8j3dl
medium class:
http://tinyurl.com/drqzc
Then I got bored searching.
Regards
Wolfgang
#79
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Re: Guess What (follow-up)?
JP Roberts wrote:
>Can you provide any links proving that any other presumably "serious" makes
>have had problems with suspension arms?
Arms?
We were talking about the replacement policy, right?
But ok:
Google search for '$BRANDHERE front suspension problem' gives
Honda
http://tinyurl.com/9jcny
http://tinyurl.com/abu76
http://tinyurl.com/9b5ta
Toyota:
http://tinyurl.com/89hff
This one might be worth a quote:
**************
My experience with Toyota was the same: they rush and do a minimal
work to appear trying to fix things and when they fail they tell you
that they do not know what to do next or they refer you to the Toyota
Representative.
I suggest that you ask your dealer put you in contact with the Toyota
Representative and if that does not work try arbitration
(1-888-300-6237).
I also suggest that "you do not hold your breath(!)" even if
arbitration results in your favor. The decision is supposed to be
"binding on Toyota," it isn't. In my case even if the arbitrator
decided that Toyota should repair the car, Toyota did not.
*****
End Quote
http://tinyurl.com/br9d4
BMW
http://tinyurl.com/beh4z
http://tinyurl.com/a6g2u
Merc
http://tinyurl.com/bqca5
http://tinyurl.com/99s5d
>Again I'll appreciate any links you can provide in that direction, as the
>only things I seem to have read about Honda was that they were by far much
>more reliable than any German makes, and every owner seemed to be more or
>less pretty happy about their Hondas.
Ok. Just for starters (unfortunately in german, but you'll recognize
the pattern. The less the number of needed assistances is, the better
it is):
Roadside assistances medium to upperclass cars
http://tinyurl.com/8j3dl
medium class:
http://tinyurl.com/drqzc
Then I got bored searching.
Regards
Wolfgang
>Can you provide any links proving that any other presumably "serious" makes
>have had problems with suspension arms?
Arms?
We were talking about the replacement policy, right?
But ok:
Google search for '$BRANDHERE front suspension problem' gives
Honda
http://tinyurl.com/9jcny
http://tinyurl.com/abu76
http://tinyurl.com/9b5ta
Toyota:
http://tinyurl.com/89hff
This one might be worth a quote:
**************
My experience with Toyota was the same: they rush and do a minimal
work to appear trying to fix things and when they fail they tell you
that they do not know what to do next or they refer you to the Toyota
Representative.
I suggest that you ask your dealer put you in contact with the Toyota
Representative and if that does not work try arbitration
(1-888-300-6237).
I also suggest that "you do not hold your breath(!)" even if
arbitration results in your favor. The decision is supposed to be
"binding on Toyota," it isn't. In my case even if the arbitrator
decided that Toyota should repair the car, Toyota did not.
*****
End Quote
http://tinyurl.com/br9d4
BMW
http://tinyurl.com/beh4z
http://tinyurl.com/a6g2u
Merc
http://tinyurl.com/bqca5
http://tinyurl.com/99s5d
>Again I'll appreciate any links you can provide in that direction, as the
>only things I seem to have read about Honda was that they were by far much
>more reliable than any German makes, and every owner seemed to be more or
>less pretty happy about their Hondas.
Ok. Just for starters (unfortunately in german, but you'll recognize
the pattern. The less the number of needed assistances is, the better
it is):
Roadside assistances medium to upperclass cars
http://tinyurl.com/8j3dl
medium class:
http://tinyurl.com/drqzc
Then I got bored searching.
Regards
Wolfgang
#80
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Re: Guess What (follow-up)?
> Honda
> http://tinyurl.com/9jcny
> http://tinyurl.com/abu76
> http://tinyurl.com/9b5ta
Do not appear to be general or serious and for the first two there is no
indication that the car owner had to pay for the repairs.
> Toyota:
> http://tinyurl.com/89hff
> http://tinyurl.com/br9d4
In the end it turned out to be tyre related, so not relevant.
>
> BMW
> http://tinyurl.com/beh4z
> http://tinyurl.com/a6g2u
The first turned out to be the muffler, the second, however, is relevant,
though there is nothing about control arms, only springs and struts, which
is not really in the same league as far as wear is concerned.
> Merc
> http://tinyurl.com/bqca5
> http://tinyurl.com/99s5d
>
The first is about an off roader so that's a completely different matter.
The second is not specific at all.
>>Again I'll appreciate any links you can provide in that direction, as the
>>only things I seem to have read about Honda was that they were by far much
>>more reliable than any German makes, and every owner seemed to be more or
>>less pretty happy about their Hondas.
>
> Ok. Just for starters (unfortunately in german, but you'll recognize
> the pattern. The less the number of needed assistances is, the better
> it is):
>
> Roadside assistances medium to upperclass cars
> http://tinyurl.com/8j3dl
> medium class:
> http://tinyurl.com/drqzc
>
Statistics is the science by which if a man has eaten a chicken and another
one has not eaten one, at the end of the day they will both have eaten half
of it each. Anyway, it would have to be seen how many more Mercs and BMWs
are there on the German roads, by comparison to the number of Audis. I
believe the ratio must be somewhere between 2 Mercs per every Audi, and 1.5
BMWs per Audi, though of course I still prefer my whole Audi to that
remaining half a BMW !
Not trying to pull anyone's leg, here and do appreciate your efforts but I
remain unconvinced.
JP Roberts
> http://tinyurl.com/9jcny
> http://tinyurl.com/abu76
> http://tinyurl.com/9b5ta
Do not appear to be general or serious and for the first two there is no
indication that the car owner had to pay for the repairs.
> Toyota:
> http://tinyurl.com/89hff
> http://tinyurl.com/br9d4
In the end it turned out to be tyre related, so not relevant.
>
> BMW
> http://tinyurl.com/beh4z
> http://tinyurl.com/a6g2u
The first turned out to be the muffler, the second, however, is relevant,
though there is nothing about control arms, only springs and struts, which
is not really in the same league as far as wear is concerned.
> Merc
> http://tinyurl.com/bqca5
> http://tinyurl.com/99s5d
>
The first is about an off roader so that's a completely different matter.
The second is not specific at all.
>>Again I'll appreciate any links you can provide in that direction, as the
>>only things I seem to have read about Honda was that they were by far much
>>more reliable than any German makes, and every owner seemed to be more or
>>less pretty happy about their Hondas.
>
> Ok. Just for starters (unfortunately in german, but you'll recognize
> the pattern. The less the number of needed assistances is, the better
> it is):
>
> Roadside assistances medium to upperclass cars
> http://tinyurl.com/8j3dl
> medium class:
> http://tinyurl.com/drqzc
>
Statistics is the science by which if a man has eaten a chicken and another
one has not eaten one, at the end of the day they will both have eaten half
of it each. Anyway, it would have to be seen how many more Mercs and BMWs
are there on the German roads, by comparison to the number of Audis. I
believe the ratio must be somewhere between 2 Mercs per every Audi, and 1.5
BMWs per Audi, though of course I still prefer my whole Audi to that
remaining half a BMW !
Not trying to pull anyone's leg, here and do appreciate your efforts but I
remain unconvinced.
JP Roberts