DSG - CAN'T undersSTAND AUDI'S POLICY!
02-22-2004, 04:12 PM
#1
Guest
Posts: n/a
DSG - CAN'T undersSTAND AUDI'S POLICY!
Why on earth can't they just fit DSG into A4s and A6s? Our turbos would
benefit so very much from not suffering lag on gearing up!
Is it they do not trust their own technology? I had been hoping at least the
new A6 would have DSG as an option, but apparently it's not going to. Now,
since manual Audi sticks suck and Tiptronic seems to be so much slower than
DSG, why do you figure they are now fitting lazy Volkswagen Touran Combis
with DSG?
And why, would they make a Seat Cupra with the same engine as the S3? Oh
Man, Oh Man. Soon, we'll be seeing cheapo Skodas with DSG before our
legitimate Audis have it...
I was very willing to buy a new A6 30 TDI, but the way things are going I
will thing twice, now.
JP Roberts
benefit so very much from not suffering lag on gearing up!
Is it they do not trust their own technology? I had been hoping at least the
new A6 would have DSG as an option, but apparently it's not going to. Now,
since manual Audi sticks suck and Tiptronic seems to be so much slower than
DSG, why do you figure they are now fitting lazy Volkswagen Touran Combis
with DSG?
And why, would they make a Seat Cupra with the same engine as the S3? Oh
Man, Oh Man. Soon, we'll be seeing cheapo Skodas with DSG before our
legitimate Audis have it...
I was very willing to buy a new A6 30 TDI, but the way things are going I
will thing twice, now.
JP Roberts
02-22-2004, 04:19 PM
#2
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: DSG - CAN'T undersSTAND AUDI'S POLICY!
Oops sorry! Typos: might, think.
"JP Roberts" <1234@yahoo.com> escribió en el mensaje
news:c1b9f8$il9$1@news.ya.com...
> Why on earth can't they just fit DSG into A4s and A6s? Our turbos would
> benefit so very much from not suffering lag on gearing up!
>
> Is it they do not trust their own technology? I had been hoping at least
the
> new A6 would have DSG as an option, but apparently it's not going to. Now,
> since manual Audi sticks suck and Tiptronic seems to be so much slower
than
> DSG, why do you figure they are now fitting lazy Volkswagen Touran Combis
> with DSG?
>
> And why, would they make a Seat Cupra with the same engine as the S3? Oh
> Man, Oh Man. Soon, we'll be seeing cheapo Skodas with DSG before our
> legitimate Audis have it...
>
> I was very willing to buy a new A6 30 TDI, but the way things are going I
> will thing twice, now.
>
> JP Roberts
>
>
"JP Roberts" <1234@yahoo.com> escribió en el mensaje
news:c1b9f8$il9$1@news.ya.com...
> Why on earth can't they just fit DSG into A4s and A6s? Our turbos would
> benefit so very much from not suffering lag on gearing up!
>
> Is it they do not trust their own technology? I had been hoping at least
the
> new A6 would have DSG as an option, but apparently it's not going to. Now,
> since manual Audi sticks suck and Tiptronic seems to be so much slower
than
> DSG, why do you figure they are now fitting lazy Volkswagen Touran Combis
> with DSG?
>
> And why, would they make a Seat Cupra with the same engine as the S3? Oh
> Man, Oh Man. Soon, we'll be seeing cheapo Skodas with DSG before our
> legitimate Audis have it...
>
> I was very willing to buy a new A6 30 TDI, but the way things are going I
> will thing twice, now.
>
> JP Roberts
>
>
02-22-2004, 04:25 PM
#3
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: DSG - CAN'T undersSTAND AUDI'S POLICY!
On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 23:12:00 +0100, "JP Roberts" <1234@yahoo.com>
wrote:
>Why on earth can't they just fit DSG into A4s and A6s? Our turbos would
>benefit so very much from not suffering lag on gearing up!
>
>Is it they do not trust their own technology? I had been hoping at least the
>new A6 would have DSG as an option, but apparently it's not going to. Now,
>since manual Audi sticks suck
The 6 gear in my tdi is great. By now means it sucks? What makes you
think it sucks?
> and Tiptronic seems to be so much slower than
>DSG, why do you figure they are now fitting lazy Volkswagen Touran Combis
>with DSG?
They use the multitronic in the Audis. I don't like it either.
>And why, would they make a Seat Cupra with the same engine as the S3? Oh
>Man, Oh Man. Soon, we'll be seeing cheapo Skodas with DSG before our
>legitimate Audis have it...
Possibly.
Gruß
Wolfgang
--
+++ PIP #9 +++
Mille, mattschwarz/rot '02, Das Virus
Hang-Off fährt man weil man geschützt durch den Bock, unter der
Gabelbrücke hindurch besser auf die Bleichgesichter ballern kann.
P. Renner in afm
wrote:
>Why on earth can't they just fit DSG into A4s and A6s? Our turbos would
>benefit so very much from not suffering lag on gearing up!
>
>Is it they do not trust their own technology? I had been hoping at least the
>new A6 would have DSG as an option, but apparently it's not going to. Now,
>since manual Audi sticks suck
The 6 gear in my tdi is great. By now means it sucks? What makes you
think it sucks?
> and Tiptronic seems to be so much slower than
>DSG, why do you figure they are now fitting lazy Volkswagen Touran Combis
>with DSG?
They use the multitronic in the Audis. I don't like it either.
>And why, would they make a Seat Cupra with the same engine as the S3? Oh
>Man, Oh Man. Soon, we'll be seeing cheapo Skodas with DSG before our
>legitimate Audis have it...
Possibly.
Gruß
Wolfgang
--
+++ PIP #9 +++
Mille, mattschwarz/rot '02, Das Virus
Hang-Off fährt man weil man geschützt durch den Bock, unter der
Gabelbrücke hindurch besser auf die Bleichgesichter ballern kann.
P. Renner in afm
02-22-2004, 04:26 PM
#4
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: DSG - CAN'T undersSTAND AUDI'S POLICY!
"JP Roberts" <1234@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:c1b9f8$il9$1@news.ya.com...
> Why on earth can't they just fit DSG into A4s and A6s? Our turbos would
> benefit so very much from not suffering lag on gearing up!
>
> Is it they do not trust their own technology? I had been hoping at least
the
> new A6 would have DSG as an option, but apparently it's not going to. Now,
> since manual Audi sticks suck and Tiptronic seems to be so much slower
than
> DSG, why do you figure they are now fitting lazy Volkswagen Touran Combis
> with DSG?
The DSG box is designed for transverse engines only hence it will *only* go
onto the new Golf/A3/Touran platform. Give them some time as I understand
the DSG will eventually be availble on all VW/Audi/Skoda/Seat.
> And why, would they make a Seat Cupra with the same engine as the S3? Oh
> Man, Oh Man. Soon, we'll be seeing cheapo Skodas with DSG before our
> legitimate Audis have it...
Probably
Martin
02-23-2004, 03:02 PM
#5
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: DSG - CAN'T undersSTAND AUDI'S POLICY!
Dear Wolfgang,
While I agree Audi's manual gearboxes are not bad, the problem with them is
they're not good either. They're slow and sticky by comparison to BMW's, and
much worse than those in any Jap car. Maybe the problem is the rest of the
car is so very much better.
It is not too difficult to miss up-gears from 4th into 5th with 3rd, if
you're not revving further up than 3,000 rpm, for example. Inserting 2nd
gear with a cold engine is also notoriously bad, as you'll be able to read
in Audiworld forums.
In fact, if I had to rate two bad things about my A4 1.8T Q, they would be
its gear box and its excessive weight.
Never meant to disappoint you, however.
Cheers,
JP
"Wolfgang Pawlinetz" <mille@afm.at> escribió en el mensaje
news:10bi305ni8qvfu6psai0g5balnk1717nqk@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 23:12:00 +0100, "JP Roberts" <1234@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> >Why on earth can't they just fit DSG into A4s and A6s? Our turbos would
> >benefit so very much from not suffering lag on gearing up!
> >
> >Is it they do not trust their own technology? I had been hoping at least
the
> >new A6 would have DSG as an option, but apparently it's not going to.
Now,
> >since manual Audi sticks suck
>
> The 6 gear in my tdi is great. By now means it sucks? What makes you
> think it sucks?
>
> > and Tiptronic seems to be so much slower than
> >DSG, why do you figure they are now fitting lazy Volkswagen Touran Combis
> >with DSG?
>
> They use the multitronic in the Audis. I don't like it either.
>
> >And why, would they make a Seat Cupra with the same engine as the S3? Oh
> >Man, Oh Man. Soon, we'll be seeing cheapo Skodas with DSG before our
> >legitimate Audis have it...
>
> Possibly.
>
>
> Gruß
>
> Wolfgang
>
> --
> +++ PIP #9 +++
> Mille, mattschwarz/rot '02, Das Virus
> Hang-Off fährt man weil man geschützt durch den Bock, unter der
> Gabelbrücke hindurch besser auf die Bleichgesichter ballern kann.
> P. Renner in afm
While I agree Audi's manual gearboxes are not bad, the problem with them is
they're not good either. They're slow and sticky by comparison to BMW's, and
much worse than those in any Jap car. Maybe the problem is the rest of the
car is so very much better.
It is not too difficult to miss up-gears from 4th into 5th with 3rd, if
you're not revving further up than 3,000 rpm, for example. Inserting 2nd
gear with a cold engine is also notoriously bad, as you'll be able to read
in Audiworld forums.
In fact, if I had to rate two bad things about my A4 1.8T Q, they would be
its gear box and its excessive weight.
Never meant to disappoint you, however.
Cheers,
JP
"Wolfgang Pawlinetz" <mille@afm.at> escribió en el mensaje
news:10bi305ni8qvfu6psai0g5balnk1717nqk@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 23:12:00 +0100, "JP Roberts" <1234@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> >Why on earth can't they just fit DSG into A4s and A6s? Our turbos would
> >benefit so very much from not suffering lag on gearing up!
> >
> >Is it they do not trust their own technology? I had been hoping at least
the
> >new A6 would have DSG as an option, but apparently it's not going to.
Now,
> >since manual Audi sticks suck
>
> The 6 gear in my tdi is great. By now means it sucks? What makes you
> think it sucks?
>
> > and Tiptronic seems to be so much slower than
> >DSG, why do you figure they are now fitting lazy Volkswagen Touran Combis
> >with DSG?
>
> They use the multitronic in the Audis. I don't like it either.
>
> >And why, would they make a Seat Cupra with the same engine as the S3? Oh
> >Man, Oh Man. Soon, we'll be seeing cheapo Skodas with DSG before our
> >legitimate Audis have it...
>
> Possibly.
>
>
> Gruß
>
> Wolfgang
>
> --
> +++ PIP #9 +++
> Mille, mattschwarz/rot '02, Das Virus
> Hang-Off fährt man weil man geschützt durch den Bock, unter der
> Gabelbrücke hindurch besser auf die Bleichgesichter ballern kann.
> P. Renner in afm
02-24-2004, 10:01 AM
#6
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: DSG - CAN'T undersSTAND AUDI'S POLICY!
JP Roberts wrote:
> While I agree Audi's manual gearboxes are not bad, the problem with them is
> they're not good either. They're slow and sticky by comparison to BMW's, and
> much worse than those in any Jap car. Maybe the problem is the rest of the
> car is so very much better.
Have to disagree, at least the newer 6-gear-boxes are much nicer than
BMW's. Gears go in and out without problems. Older gearboxes might have
been worse, true.
- Yak
> While I agree Audi's manual gearboxes are not bad, the problem with them is
> they're not good either. They're slow and sticky by comparison to BMW's, and
> much worse than those in any Jap car. Maybe the problem is the rest of the
> car is so very much better.
Have to disagree, at least the newer 6-gear-boxes are much nicer than
BMW's. Gears go in and out without problems. Older gearboxes might have
been worse, true.
- Yak
02-24-2004, 02:34 PM
#7
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: DSG - CAN'T undersSTAND AUDI'S POLICY!
Mine is the old 5-gear one, so you might be right, but magazines keep
ranting about competition being better, although I don't believe all that
they say in magazines, either.
JP
> Have to disagree, at least the newer 6-gear-boxes are much nicer than
> BMW's. Gears go in and out without problems. Older gearboxes might have
> been worse, true.
>
> - Yak
ranting about competition being better, although I don't believe all that
they say in magazines, either.
JP
> Have to disagree, at least the newer 6-gear-boxes are much nicer than
> BMW's. Gears go in and out without problems. Older gearboxes might have
> been worse, true.
>
> - Yak
02-24-2004, 06:06 PM
#8
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: DSG - CAN'T undersSTAND AUDI'S POLICY!
JP Roberts wrote:
> Mine is the old 5-gear one, so you might be right, but magazines keep
> ranting about competition being better, although I don't believe all that
> they say in magazines, either.
Well, I've also read a lot of positive about this new box, so there's a
bit of different taste too in the reviews
- Yak
> Mine is the old 5-gear one, so you might be right, but magazines keep
> ranting about competition being better, although I don't believe all that
> they say in magazines, either.
Well, I've also read a lot of positive about this new box, so there's a
bit of different taste too in the reviews
- Yak
02-25-2004, 12:56 AM
#9
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: DSG - CAN'T undersSTAND AUDI'S POLICY!
"Martin Basil" <nomail@none.com> wrote in message
news:c1ba5f$bq8$1@news0.ifb.net...
>
> "JP Roberts" <1234@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:c1b9f8$il9$1@news.ya.com...
> > Why on earth can't they just fit DSG into A4s and A6s? Our turbos would
> > benefit so very much from not suffering lag on gearing up!
> >
> > Is it they do not trust their own technology? I had been hoping at least
> the
> > new A6 would have DSG as an option, but apparently it's not going to.
Now,
> > since manual Audi sticks suck and Tiptronic seems to be so much slower
> than
> > DSG, why do you figure they are now fitting lazy Volkswagen Touran
Combis
> > with DSG?
>
> The DSG box is designed for transverse engines only hence it will *only*
go
> onto the new Golf/A3/Touran platform. Give them some time as I understand
> the DSG will eventually be availble on all VW/Audi/Skoda/Seat.
oops and TT
> > And why, would they make a Seat Cupra with the same engine as the S3? Oh
> > Man, Oh Man. Soon, we'll be seeing cheapo Skodas with DSG before our
> > legitimate Audis have it...
>
> Probably
>
> Martin
>
>
02-26-2004, 09:25 AM
#10
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: DSG - CAN'T undersSTAND AUDI'S POLICY!
On Mon, 23 Feb 2004 22:02:08 +0100, "JP Roberts" <1234@yahoo.com>
wrote:
>Dear Wolfgang,
>
>While I agree Audi's manual gearboxes are not bad, the problem with them is
>they're not good either. They're slow and sticky by comparison to BMW's, and
>much worse than those in any Jap car. Maybe the problem is the rest of the
>car is so very much better.
I've got this 6 speed box in my A6 and it's pretty crisp and short.
Never had to complain about it.
>Never meant to disappoint you, however.
Aww.. How could you
>Cheers,
>
>JP
Regards
Wolfgang
wrote:
>Dear Wolfgang,
>
>While I agree Audi's manual gearboxes are not bad, the problem with them is
>they're not good either. They're slow and sticky by comparison to BMW's, and
>much worse than those in any Jap car. Maybe the problem is the rest of the
>car is so very much better.
I've got this 6 speed box in my A6 and it's pretty crisp and short.
Never had to complain about it.
>Never meant to disappoint you, however.
Aww.. How could you
>Cheers,
>
>JP
Regards
Wolfgang
