Re: Bad Drivers
 

On Fri, 15 Jul 2005 16:49:39 +0000 (UTC), kylet@horsehill.net (Kyle
Tucker) wrote:

>Glad I didn't get started about cell phones.... :)


d;o) Yes. Let us not venture into that hornet's nest.

Son's taking driver's ed, eh? Do him and his mom a favor and enroll
him in the Stevens Advanced Driver Training, aka Skid School. Their
site is www.msada.org. School is half day, typically 16 students
with four new Volvos. Cost is $300, with Mass Auto Dealers Assoc.
picking up $150.

They emphasize abs braking (and non-abs braking to those who want it),
car handling (starting with proper seating and hands positions),
emergency reaction, tailgating, and the dangers of backing-up. Great
school. I used to work for Stevens when he taught cops (VT, Md, MA)
and if I sponsor a kid, he will use me as a demonstrations driver for
the kids' parents.

Dave

Re: Bad Drivers
 

On Fri, 15 Jul 2005 16:49:39 +0000 (UTC), kylet@horsehill.net (Kyle
Tucker) wrote:

>Glad I didn't get started about cell phones.... :)


d;o) Yes. Let us not venture into that hornet's nest.

Son's taking driver's ed, eh? Do him and his mom a favor and enroll
him in the Stevens Advanced Driver Training, aka Skid School. Their
site is www.msada.org. School is half day, typically 16 students
with four new Volvos. Cost is $300, with Mass Auto Dealers Assoc.
picking up $150.

They emphasize abs braking (and non-abs braking to those who want it),
car handling (starting with proper seating and hands positions),
emergency reaction, tailgating, and the dangers of backing-up. Great
school. I used to work for Stevens when he taught cops (VT, Md, MA)
and if I sponsor a kid, he will use me as a demonstrations driver for
the kids' parents.

Dave

Re: Bad Drivers
 

On Fri, 15 Jul 2005 16:49:39 +0000 (UTC), kylet@horsehill.net (Kyle
Tucker) wrote:

>Glad I didn't get started about cell phones.... :)


d;o) Yes. Let us not venture into that hornet's nest.

Son's taking driver's ed, eh? Do him and his mom a favor and enroll
him in the Stevens Advanced Driver Training, aka Skid School. Their
site is www.msada.org. School is half day, typically 16 students
with four new Volvos. Cost is $300, with Mass Auto Dealers Assoc.
picking up $150.

They emphasize abs braking (and non-abs braking to those who want it),
car handling (starting with proper seating and hands positions),
emergency reaction, tailgating, and the dangers of backing-up. Great
school. I used to work for Stevens when he taught cops (VT, Md, MA)
and if I sponsor a kid, he will use me as a demonstrations driver for
the kids' parents.

Dave

Re: Bad Drivers
 

In message <EdSBe.37971$up5.37529@lakeread02>
"Jay Jones" <jayjones21@cox.net> wrote:

> Left lane cruising is epidemic here in Louisiana

.... whereas right lane cruising causes us a problem in the UK.

I wonder what would happen if we sent all our right lane cruisers over
to you and you sent your left lane cruisers here?

--
Peter Bell (Note Spamtrap - To reply, replace 'invalid' with 'bellfamily')

Re: Bad Drivers
 

In message <EdSBe.37971$up5.37529@lakeread02>
"Jay Jones" <jayjones21@cox.net> wrote:

> Left lane cruising is epidemic here in Louisiana

.... whereas right lane cruising causes us a problem in the UK.

I wonder what would happen if we sent all our right lane cruisers over
to you and you sent your left lane cruisers here?

--
Peter Bell (Note Spamtrap - To reply, replace 'invalid' with 'bellfamily')

Re: Bad Drivers
 

In message <EdSBe.37971$up5.37529@lakeread02>
"Jay Jones" <jayjones21@cox.net> wrote:

> Left lane cruising is epidemic here in Louisiana

.... whereas right lane cruising causes us a problem in the UK.

I wonder what would happen if we sent all our right lane cruisers over
to you and you sent your left lane cruisers here?

--
Peter Bell (Note Spamtrap - To reply, replace 'invalid' with 'bellfamily')

Re: Bad Drivers
 

In article <m5sfd1t694tjq5h3pj3l6h7hnbqd1vvkv3@4ax.com>,
Dave LaCourse <dplacourse@pirateaol.com> writes:
>
> Son's taking driver's ed, eh? Do him and his mom a favor and enroll
> him in the Stevens Advanced Driver Training, aka Skid School. Their
> site is www.msada.org. School is half day, typically 16 students
> with four new Volvos. Cost is $300, with Mass Auto Dealers Assoc.
> picking up $150.

Well he's had his license for a few months now, but we are real
ball-busters about driving correctly *and* wearing seatbelts.
I read about this course in the Globe's Automobile section one
week. According to the website's schedule notes, it's only open
to residents of certain Massachusetts towns listed, depending on
which session.

--
- Kyle

Re: Bad Drivers
 

In article <m5sfd1t694tjq5h3pj3l6h7hnbqd1vvkv3@4ax.com>,
Dave LaCourse <dplacourse@pirateaol.com> writes:
>
> Son's taking driver's ed, eh? Do him and his mom a favor and enroll
> him in the Stevens Advanced Driver Training, aka Skid School. Their
> site is www.msada.org. School is half day, typically 16 students
> with four new Volvos. Cost is $300, with Mass Auto Dealers Assoc.
> picking up $150.

Well he's had his license for a few months now, but we are real
ball-busters about driving correctly *and* wearing seatbelts.
I read about this course in the Globe's Automobile section one
week. According to the website's schedule notes, it's only open
to residents of certain Massachusetts towns listed, depending on
which session.

--
- Kyle

Re: Bad Drivers
 

In article <m5sfd1t694tjq5h3pj3l6h7hnbqd1vvkv3@4ax.com>,
Dave LaCourse <dplacourse@pirateaol.com> writes:
>
> Son's taking driver's ed, eh? Do him and his mom a favor and enroll
> him in the Stevens Advanced Driver Training, aka Skid School. Their
> site is www.msada.org. School is half day, typically 16 students
> with four new Volvos. Cost is $300, with Mass Auto Dealers Assoc.
> picking up $150.

Well he's had his license for a few months now, but we are real
ball-busters about driving correctly *and* wearing seatbelts.
I read about this course in the Globe's Automobile section one
week. According to the website's schedule notes, it's only open
to residents of certain Massachusetts towns listed, depending on
which session.

--
- Kyle

Re: Bad Drivers
 

The message <m5sfd1t694tjq5h3pj3l6h7hnbqd1vvkv3@4ax.com>
from Dave LaCourse <dplacourse@pirateaol.com> contains these words:

> >Glad I didn't get started about cell phones.... :)


> d;o) Yes. Let us not venture into that hornet's nest.

http://www.newscientist.com/article....mg18725083.200

--
Skipweasel.
Ivor Cutler - "Never knowingly understood."

Re: Bad Drivers
 

The message <m5sfd1t694tjq5h3pj3l6h7hnbqd1vvkv3@4ax.com>
from Dave LaCourse <dplacourse@pirateaol.com> contains these words:

> >Glad I didn't get started about cell phones.... :)


> d;o) Yes. Let us not venture into that hornet's nest.

http://www.newscientist.com/article....mg18725083.200

--
Skipweasel.
Ivor Cutler - "Never knowingly understood."

Re: Bad Drivers
 

The message <m5sfd1t694tjq5h3pj3l6h7hnbqd1vvkv3@4ax.com>
from Dave LaCourse <dplacourse@pirateaol.com> contains these words:

> >Glad I didn't get started about cell phones.... :)


> d;o) Yes. Let us not venture into that hornet's nest.

http://www.newscientist.com/article....mg18725083.200

--
Skipweasel.
Ivor Cutler - "Never knowingly understood."

Re: Bad Drivers
 

On Fri, 15 Jul 2005 17:47:30 +0000 (UTC), kylet@horsehill.net (Kyle
Tucker) wrote:

>it's only open
>to residents of certain Massachusetts towns listed, depending on
>which session.

Anyone in Massachusetts may attend. The towns listed are *where* the
school will be taught on those days. I usually use Devens (the old
airfield runways) when I sponsor a kid. I've sponsored about 4 or 5
this year so far. You can choose which site you want, i.e., Ayer
(Devens), Bedford, West Springfield, etc.

It sounds like you are giving him what he needs, but believe me, he
will benefit greatly from all the exercises in Stevens' school. And,
he (and you) will have a ball doing it. d;o)

Dave

Re: Bad Drivers
 

On Fri, 15 Jul 2005 17:47:30 +0000 (UTC), kylet@horsehill.net (Kyle
Tucker) wrote:

>it's only open
>to residents of certain Massachusetts towns listed, depending on
>which session.

Anyone in Massachusetts may attend. The towns listed are *where* the
school will be taught on those days. I usually use Devens (the old
airfield runways) when I sponsor a kid. I've sponsored about 4 or 5
this year so far. You can choose which site you want, i.e., Ayer
(Devens), Bedford, West Springfield, etc.

It sounds like you are giving him what he needs, but believe me, he
will benefit greatly from all the exercises in Stevens' school. And,
he (and you) will have a ball doing it. d;o)

Dave

Re: Bad Drivers
 

On Fri, 15 Jul 2005 17:47:30 +0000 (UTC), kylet@horsehill.net (Kyle
Tucker) wrote:

>it's only open
>to residents of certain Massachusetts towns listed, depending on
>which session.

Anyone in Massachusetts may attend. The towns listed are *where* the
school will be taught on those days. I usually use Devens (the old
airfield runways) when I sponsor a kid. I've sponsored about 4 or 5
this year so far. You can choose which site you want, i.e., Ayer
(Devens), Bedford, West Springfield, etc.

It sounds like you are giving him what he needs, but believe me, he
will benefit greatly from all the exercises in Stevens' school. And,
he (and you) will have a ball doing it. d;o)

Dave

Re: Bad Drivers
 

On Fri, 15 Jul 2005 18:46:00 +0100, Peter Bell <peter@invalid.org.uk>
wrote:

>I wonder what would happen if we sent all our right lane cruisers over
>to you and you sent your left lane cruisers here?

Ever heard of reverse polarity, Peter? Your rightlaners would love
our left lanes. d;o)

Re: Bad Drivers
 

On Fri, 15 Jul 2005 18:46:00 +0100, Peter Bell <peter@invalid.org.uk>
wrote:

>I wonder what would happen if we sent all our right lane cruisers over
>to you and you sent your left lane cruisers here?

Ever heard of reverse polarity, Peter? Your rightlaners would love
our left lanes. d;o)

Re: Bad Drivers
 

On Fri, 15 Jul 2005 18:46:00 +0100, Peter Bell <peter@invalid.org.uk>
wrote:

>I wonder what would happen if we sent all our right lane cruisers over
>to you and you sent your left lane cruisers here?

Ever heard of reverse polarity, Peter? Your rightlaners would love
our left lanes. d;o)

Re: Bad Drivers
 

The message <80a4f58a4d.peter@iyonix.earley.fourcom.com>
from Peter Bell <peter@invalid.org.uk> contains these words:

> > Left lane cruising is epidemic here in Louisiana

> .... whereas right lane cruising causes us a problem in the UK.

> I wonder what would happen if we sent all our right lane cruisers over
> to you and you sent your left lane cruisers here?

They'd all form a concretion along the central reservation, which I
think you call the median strip.

--
Skipweasel.
Ivor Cutler - "Never knowingly understood."

Re: Bad Drivers
 

The message <80a4f58a4d.peter@iyonix.earley.fourcom.com>
from Peter Bell <peter@invalid.org.uk> contains these words:

> > Left lane cruising is epidemic here in Louisiana

> .... whereas right lane cruising causes us a problem in the UK.

> I wonder what would happen if we sent all our right lane cruisers over
> to you and you sent your left lane cruisers here?

They'd all form a concretion along the central reservation, which I
think you call the median strip.

--
Skipweasel.
Ivor Cutler - "Never knowingly understood."

Re: Bad Drivers
 

The message <80a4f58a4d.peter@iyonix.earley.fourcom.com>
from Peter Bell <peter@invalid.org.uk> contains these words:

> > Left lane cruising is epidemic here in Louisiana

> .... whereas right lane cruising causes us a problem in the UK.

> I wonder what would happen if we sent all our right lane cruisers over
> to you and you sent your left lane cruisers here?

They'd all form a concretion along the central reservation, which I
think you call the median strip.

--
Skipweasel.
Ivor Cutler - "Never knowingly understood."

Re: Bad Drivers
 

On Fri, 15 Jul 2005 12:18:35 -0500, "Jay Jones" <jayjones21@cox.net>
wrote:

>Left lane cruising is epidemic here in Louisiana-- it should be a capital
>offense, IMHO...
>I often dream of the traffic laws here changing to favor the German standard
>where rear-ended collisions in the left lane of the expressway are the
>person in front's fault for not getting out of the damn way!

*THAT* would be a beautiful thing.

Re: Bad Drivers
 

On Fri, 15 Jul 2005 12:18:35 -0500, "Jay Jones" <jayjones21@cox.net>
wrote:

>Left lane cruising is epidemic here in Louisiana-- it should be a capital
>offense, IMHO...
>I often dream of the traffic laws here changing to favor the German standard
>where rear-ended collisions in the left lane of the expressway are the
>person in front's fault for not getting out of the damn way!

*THAT* would be a beautiful thing.

Re: Bad Drivers
 

On Fri, 15 Jul 2005 12:18:35 -0500, "Jay Jones" <jayjones21@cox.net>
wrote:

>Left lane cruising is epidemic here in Louisiana-- it should be a capital
>offense, IMHO...
>I often dream of the traffic laws here changing to favor the German standard
>where rear-ended collisions in the left lane of the expressway are the
>person in front's fault for not getting out of the damn way!

*THAT* would be a beautiful thing.

Re: Bad Drivers
 

I swear I think the driving instructors in Louisiana high schools were
British! Not only do they use the left lane on the freeway, they ALL hug
the curb on the left side of the median when doing a U-turn... dumb, dumb,
dumb!!

"Peter Bell" <peter@invalid.org.uk> wrote in message
news:80a4f58a4d.peter@iyonix.earley.fourcom.com...
> In message <EdSBe.37971$up5.37529@lakeread02>
> "Jay Jones" <jayjones21@cox.net> wrote:
>
>> Left lane cruising is epidemic here in Louisiana
>
> ... whereas right lane cruising causes us a problem in the UK.
>
> I wonder what would happen if we sent all our right lane cruisers over
> to you and you sent your left lane cruisers here?
>
> --
> Peter Bell (Note Spamtrap - To reply, replace 'invalid' with
> 'bellfamily')

Re: Bad Drivers
 

I swear I think the driving instructors in Louisiana high schools were
British! Not only do they use the left lane on the freeway, they ALL hug
the curb on the left side of the median when doing a U-turn... dumb, dumb,
dumb!!

"Peter Bell" <peter@invalid.org.uk> wrote in message
news:80a4f58a4d.peter@iyonix.earley.fourcom.com...
> In message <EdSBe.37971$up5.37529@lakeread02>
> "Jay Jones" <jayjones21@cox.net> wrote:
>
>> Left lane cruising is epidemic here in Louisiana
>
> ... whereas right lane cruising causes us a problem in the UK.
>
> I wonder what would happen if we sent all our right lane cruisers over
> to you and you sent your left lane cruisers here?
>
> --
> Peter Bell (Note Spamtrap - To reply, replace 'invalid' with
> 'bellfamily')

Re: Bad Drivers
 

I swear I think the driving instructors in Louisiana high schools were
British! Not only do they use the left lane on the freeway, they ALL hug
the curb on the left side of the median when doing a U-turn... dumb, dumb,
dumb!!

"Peter Bell" <peter@invalid.org.uk> wrote in message
news:80a4f58a4d.peter@iyonix.earley.fourcom.com...
> In message <EdSBe.37971$up5.37529@lakeread02>
> "Jay Jones" <jayjones21@cox.net> wrote:
>
>> Left lane cruising is epidemic here in Louisiana
>
> ... whereas right lane cruising causes us a problem in the UK.
>
> I wonder what would happen if we sent all our right lane cruisers over
> to you and you sent your left lane cruisers here?
>
> --
> Peter Bell (Note Spamtrap - To reply, replace 'invalid' with
> 'bellfamily')

Re: Bad Drivers
 

Dave LaCourse wrote:
> On Thu, 14 Jul 2005 19:32:38 -0400, Mike Smith
> <mikeUNDERSCOREsmith@acm.org> wrote:
>
>
>>Tell me where.
>
>
> Forgot to ask: Do you agree the law says "keep right except to pass"?

In some states, maybe, but certainly not every state. And the law means
nothing if it is not enforced.

--
Mike Smith

Re: Bad Drivers
 

Dave LaCourse wrote:
> On Thu, 14 Jul 2005 19:32:38 -0400, Mike Smith
> <mikeUNDERSCOREsmith@acm.org> wrote:
>
>
>>Tell me where.
>
>
> Forgot to ask: Do you agree the law says "keep right except to pass"?

In some states, maybe, but certainly not every state. And the law means
nothing if it is not enforced.

--
Mike Smith

Re: Bad Drivers
 

Dave LaCourse wrote:
> On Thu, 14 Jul 2005 19:32:38 -0400, Mike Smith
> <mikeUNDERSCOREsmith@acm.org> wrote:
>
>
>>Tell me where.
>
>
> Forgot to ask: Do you agree the law says "keep right except to pass"?

In some states, maybe, but certainly not every state. And the law means
nothing if it is not enforced.

--
Mike Smith

Re: Bad Drivers
 

Dave LaCourse wrote:
> On Thu, 14 Jul 2005 19:32:38 -0400, Mike Smith
> <mikeUNDERSCOREsmith@acm.org> wrote:
>
>
>>Tell me where.
>
>
> Forgot to ask: Do you agree the law says "keep right except to pass"?

Here is the relevant law for NY:

http://assembly.state.ny.us/leg/?cl=128&a=49

While it's clear about not driving on the left side of a road (i.e. in
the wrong lane), and it does indicate that one should pass on the left
where possible (although it also allows for passing on the right), it
does not say "stay right except to pass". There's nothing in the NY law
that says you can't park your ass in the left lane of a divided highway
and do 55 mph till the cows come home.

--
Mike Smith

Re: Bad Drivers
 

Dave LaCourse wrote:
> On Thu, 14 Jul 2005 19:32:38 -0400, Mike Smith
> <mikeUNDERSCOREsmith@acm.org> wrote:
>
>
>>Tell me where.
>
>
> Forgot to ask: Do you agree the law says "keep right except to pass"?

Here is the relevant law for NY:

http://assembly.state.ny.us/leg/?cl=128&a=49

While it's clear about not driving on the left side of a road (i.e. in
the wrong lane), and it does indicate that one should pass on the left
where possible (although it also allows for passing on the right), it
does not say "stay right except to pass". There's nothing in the NY law
that says you can't park your ass in the left lane of a divided highway
and do 55 mph till the cows come home.

--
Mike Smith

Re: Bad Drivers
 

Dave LaCourse wrote:
> On Thu, 14 Jul 2005 19:32:38 -0400, Mike Smith
> <mikeUNDERSCOREsmith@acm.org> wrote:
>
>
>>Tell me where.
>
>
> Forgot to ask: Do you agree the law says "keep right except to pass"?

Here is the relevant law for NY:

http://assembly.state.ny.us/leg/?cl=128&a=49

While it's clear about not driving on the left side of a road (i.e. in
the wrong lane), and it does indicate that one should pass on the left
where possible (although it also allows for passing on the right), it
does not say "stay right except to pass". There's nothing in the NY law
that says you can't park your ass in the left lane of a divided highway
and do 55 mph till the cows come home.

--
Mike Smith

Re: Bad Drivers
 

On Sat, 16 Jul 2005 03:54:41 -0400, Mike Smith
<mike_UNDERSCORE_smith@acm.DOT.org> wrote:

>There's nothing in the NY law
>that says you can't park your ass in the left lane of a divided highway
>and do 55 mph till the cows come home.

And I suspect you would feel right at home doing just that. No common
sense, lad?

Re: Bad Drivers
 

On Sat, 16 Jul 2005 03:54:41 -0400, Mike Smith
<mike_UNDERSCORE_smith@acm.DOT.org> wrote:

>There's nothing in the NY law
>that says you can't park your ass in the left lane of a divided highway
>and do 55 mph till the cows come home.

And I suspect you would feel right at home doing just that. No common
sense, lad?

Re: Bad Drivers
 

On Sat, 16 Jul 2005 03:54:41 -0400, Mike Smith
<mike_UNDERSCORE_smith@acm.DOT.org> wrote:

>There's nothing in the NY law
>that says you can't park your ass in the left lane of a divided highway
>and do 55 mph till the cows come home.

And I suspect you would feel right at home doing just that. No common
sense, lad?

Re: Bad Drivers
 

Dave LaCourse wrote:
> On Sat, 16 Jul 2005 03:54:41 -0400, Mike Smith
> <mike_UNDERSCORE_smith@acm.DOT.org> wrote:
>
> >There's nothing in the NY law
> >that says you can't park your ass in the left lane of a divided highway
> >and do 55 mph till the cows come home.
>
> And I suspect you would feel right at home doing just that. No common
> sense, lad?

No, he's just a MFFY driver. (Me first, fsck you.)

Drive right, pass left, leave speed enforcement to the professionals.
It's called "common courtesy", which seems to be quite uncommon.

E.P.

Re: Bad Drivers
 

Dave LaCourse wrote:
> On Sat, 16 Jul 2005 03:54:41 -0400, Mike Smith
> <mike_UNDERSCORE_smith@acm.DOT.org> wrote:
>
> >There's nothing in the NY law
> >that says you can't park your ass in the left lane of a divided highway
> >and do 55 mph till the cows come home.
>
> And I suspect you would feel right at home doing just that. No common
> sense, lad?

No, he's just a MFFY driver. (Me first, fsck you.)

Drive right, pass left, leave speed enforcement to the professionals.
It's called "common courtesy", which seems to be quite uncommon.

E.P.

Re: Bad Drivers
 

Dave LaCourse wrote:
> On Sat, 16 Jul 2005 03:54:41 -0400, Mike Smith
> <mike_UNDERSCORE_smith@acm.DOT.org> wrote:
>
> >There's nothing in the NY law
> >that says you can't park your ass in the left lane of a divided highway
> >and do 55 mph till the cows come home.
>
> And I suspect you would feel right at home doing just that. No common
> sense, lad?

No, he's just a MFFY driver. (Me first, fsck you.)

Drive right, pass left, leave speed enforcement to the professionals.
It's called "common courtesy", which seems to be quite uncommon.

E.P.

Re: Bad Drivers
 

On 15 Jul 2005 08:53:41 -0700, gcmschemist@gmail.com wrote:

>In most states, "keep right except to pass" is codified into law. When
>it's posted on rectangular black&white signs (like speed limit signs),
>it's not advisory. (Like diamond black and yellow signs.)
>
>Enforcement is just about non-existant, however.

I've asked police friends of mine about left lane bandits and they say
they *do* give them a ticket when it is outrageous (i.e., 50 in a 65).
The uncaring culprit is guilty of "cruising" according to my friends.