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Re: Bad Drivers
The message <edt7d1t96dpvh0nvgq002tla1cfpmrh6v3@4ax.com>
from Dave LaCourse <dplacourse@pirateaol.com> contains these words: > Another traffic law in VT is: if the speed limit is not posted, you > revert to the state's official speed limit which is 55 mph. We have a similar system in the UK, except that the default speed limit is variable according to the class of road. http://www.highwaycode.gov.uk/09.htm#103 -- Skipweasel. Ivor Cutler - "Never knowingly understood." |
Re: Bad Drivers
KLS wrote:
> On Tue, 12 Jul 2005 07:27:37 +0100, Guy King <guy.king@zetnet.co.uk> > wrote: > > >>The message <auu5d191g79h62gron8et9garkhcqgomaq@4ax.com> > >>from Dave LaCourse <dplacourse@pirateaol.com> contains these words: > >>>I finally managed to >>>pass her (after about ten other cars/semis did) on the right side. >> >>I thought you were allowed to pass on either side in the US? > > > No, you're supposed to pass on the left only. Would that that were true. In most places in the US, there is no law that says you must pass on the left, or that you must stay right when not passing. That sure would be nice, but it just ain't so. -- Mike Smith |
Re: Bad Drivers
KLS wrote:
> On Tue, 12 Jul 2005 07:27:37 +0100, Guy King <guy.king@zetnet.co.uk> > wrote: > > >>The message <auu5d191g79h62gron8et9garkhcqgomaq@4ax.com> > >>from Dave LaCourse <dplacourse@pirateaol.com> contains these words: > >>>I finally managed to >>>pass her (after about ten other cars/semis did) on the right side. >> >>I thought you were allowed to pass on either side in the US? > > > No, you're supposed to pass on the left only. Would that that were true. In most places in the US, there is no law that says you must pass on the left, or that you must stay right when not passing. That sure would be nice, but it just ain't so. -- Mike Smith |
Re: Bad Drivers
KLS wrote:
> On Tue, 12 Jul 2005 07:27:37 +0100, Guy King <guy.king@zetnet.co.uk> > wrote: > > >>The message <auu5d191g79h62gron8et9garkhcqgomaq@4ax.com> > >>from Dave LaCourse <dplacourse@pirateaol.com> contains these words: > >>>I finally managed to >>>pass her (after about ten other cars/semis did) on the right side. >> >>I thought you were allowed to pass on either side in the US? > > > No, you're supposed to pass on the left only. Would that that were true. In most places in the US, there is no law that says you must pass on the left, or that you must stay right when not passing. That sure would be nice, but it just ain't so. -- Mike Smith |
Re: Bad Drivers
KLS wrote:
> On Tue, 12 Jul 2005 07:27:37 +0100, Guy King <guy.king@zetnet.co.uk> > wrote: > > >>The message <auu5d191g79h62gron8et9garkhcqgomaq@4ax.com> > >>from Dave LaCourse <dplacourse@pirateaol.com> contains these words: > >>>I finally managed to >>>pass her (after about ten other cars/semis did) on the right side. >> >>I thought you were allowed to pass on either side in the US? > > > No, you're supposed to pass on the left only. Would that that were true. In most places in the US, there is no law that says you must pass on the left, or that you must stay right when not passing. That sure would be nice, but it just ain't so. -- Mike Smith |
Re: Bad Drivers
On Tue, 12 Jul 2005 15:05:10 -0400, Mike Smith
<mikeUNDERSCOREsmith@acm.org> wrote: > that you must stay right when >not passing. That sure would be nice, but it just ain't so. Most states that I am familiar with have a "keep right except to pass" traffic law, and you will see the signs saying so. Some states even give a diagram sign that points out the passing lane, travel lane, and merge/slow lane. Dave |
Re: Bad Drivers
On Tue, 12 Jul 2005 15:05:10 -0400, Mike Smith
<mikeUNDERSCOREsmith@acm.org> wrote: > that you must stay right when >not passing. That sure would be nice, but it just ain't so. Most states that I am familiar with have a "keep right except to pass" traffic law, and you will see the signs saying so. Some states even give a diagram sign that points out the passing lane, travel lane, and merge/slow lane. Dave |
Re: Bad Drivers
On Tue, 12 Jul 2005 15:05:10 -0400, Mike Smith
<mikeUNDERSCOREsmith@acm.org> wrote: > that you must stay right when >not passing. That sure would be nice, but it just ain't so. Most states that I am familiar with have a "keep right except to pass" traffic law, and you will see the signs saying so. Some states even give a diagram sign that points out the passing lane, travel lane, and merge/slow lane. Dave |
Re: Bad Drivers
On Tue, 12 Jul 2005 15:05:10 -0400, Mike Smith
<mikeUNDERSCOREsmith@acm.org> wrote: > that you must stay right when >not passing. That sure would be nice, but it just ain't so. Most states that I am familiar with have a "keep right except to pass" traffic law, and you will see the signs saying so. Some states even give a diagram sign that points out the passing lane, travel lane, and merge/slow lane. Dave |
Re: Bad Drivers
On Tue, 12 Jul 2005 15:54:39 -0400, Dave LaCourse
<dplacourse@pirateaol.com> wrote: >On Tue, 12 Jul 2005 15:05:10 -0400, Mike Smith ><mikeUNDERSCOREsmith@acm.org> wrote: > >> that you must stay right when >>not passing. That sure would be nice, but it just ain't so. > >Most states that I am familiar with have a "keep right except to pass" >traffic law, and you will see the signs saying so. Some states even >give a diagram sign that points out the passing lane, travel lane, and >merge/slow lane. This is what I see where I drive, mostly in New York and Ohio. |
Re: Bad Drivers
On Tue, 12 Jul 2005 15:54:39 -0400, Dave LaCourse
<dplacourse@pirateaol.com> wrote: >On Tue, 12 Jul 2005 15:05:10 -0400, Mike Smith ><mikeUNDERSCOREsmith@acm.org> wrote: > >> that you must stay right when >>not passing. That sure would be nice, but it just ain't so. > >Most states that I am familiar with have a "keep right except to pass" >traffic law, and you will see the signs saying so. Some states even >give a diagram sign that points out the passing lane, travel lane, and >merge/slow lane. This is what I see where I drive, mostly in New York and Ohio. |
Re: Bad Drivers
On Tue, 12 Jul 2005 15:54:39 -0400, Dave LaCourse
<dplacourse@pirateaol.com> wrote: >On Tue, 12 Jul 2005 15:05:10 -0400, Mike Smith ><mikeUNDERSCOREsmith@acm.org> wrote: > >> that you must stay right when >>not passing. That sure would be nice, but it just ain't so. > >Most states that I am familiar with have a "keep right except to pass" >traffic law, and you will see the signs saying so. Some states even >give a diagram sign that points out the passing lane, travel lane, and >merge/slow lane. This is what I see where I drive, mostly in New York and Ohio. |
Re: Bad Drivers
On Tue, 12 Jul 2005 15:54:39 -0400, Dave LaCourse
<dplacourse@pirateaol.com> wrote: >On Tue, 12 Jul 2005 15:05:10 -0400, Mike Smith ><mikeUNDERSCOREsmith@acm.org> wrote: > >> that you must stay right when >>not passing. That sure would be nice, but it just ain't so. > >Most states that I am familiar with have a "keep right except to pass" >traffic law, and you will see the signs saying so. Some states even >give a diagram sign that points out the passing lane, travel lane, and >merge/slow lane. This is what I see where I drive, mostly in New York and Ohio. |
Re: Bad Drivers
Don't want to make this a UK/US debate - but you've pretty much
summed up all of my driving experiences in the US - anywhere!! Still, we get our fair share of "fast lane hoggers" in the UK too. Problem here is that the driving test doesn't include any motorway driving, so no-one learns how to do it properly. Just come back from nearly 3 weeks in France - now they know how to drive! the vast majority of motorways are 2-lanes and they all flow beautifully no mater how much traffic there is, but I think that comes from the fact that they are taught to drive properly in the first place. Matt. Dave LaCourse wrote: > While I am home safely from a 724 mile trip to a wedding south of > Roanoke, Virginia, I remained amazed at the terrible driving habits of > people from Virginia and Connecticut. > > We drove the RS6 down on Thursday with Biblical rain storms all the > way. Cow pissin' on a flat rock? Try the entire herd! Traffic was > light, so things went fairly well. But, coming home on > Sunday......... > > It was impossible to move most Virginia drivers from the fast lane. A > hand-held nuclear device would not have helped. One woman in a Saturn > insisted on staying in the fast lane while driving 62 mph. She had > traffic backed up for 200 yards in both lanes. I finally managed to > pass her (after about ten other cars/semis did) on the right side. > I'm sure she felt that she was not breaking any laws, but by not > staying to the right, she was. > > She wasn't the only one. It was like a swarm of left lane bandits > came out of the Virginia hills and took up station in the left lane > driving below the speed limit. When a trailer truck passes you going > up hill, you have *got* to see the error of your ways. But no, not > those Virginia drivers. Lane discipline means nothing to them. And > where the hell are the cops? These drivers are holding up traffic. > The worst place you want to be while driving is in a large pod of > moving cars/trucks. Get the hell out of the way and let the traffic > find its rhythm. The left lane hogs are far more dangerous by holding > up traffic than someone speeding 10 or 15 mpy over the speed limit. > > And Connecticut! Same thing, only bigger yuppie style cars, and you > have to contend with left lane exits. Who is the brilliant traffic > engineer to dreamed that one up? > > Anyway, rant mode off. Flame suit on. > > Dave > RS6 > > > |
Re: Bad Drivers
Don't want to make this a UK/US debate - but you've pretty much
summed up all of my driving experiences in the US - anywhere!! Still, we get our fair share of "fast lane hoggers" in the UK too. Problem here is that the driving test doesn't include any motorway driving, so no-one learns how to do it properly. Just come back from nearly 3 weeks in France - now they know how to drive! the vast majority of motorways are 2-lanes and they all flow beautifully no mater how much traffic there is, but I think that comes from the fact that they are taught to drive properly in the first place. Matt. Dave LaCourse wrote: > While I am home safely from a 724 mile trip to a wedding south of > Roanoke, Virginia, I remained amazed at the terrible driving habits of > people from Virginia and Connecticut. > > We drove the RS6 down on Thursday with Biblical rain storms all the > way. Cow pissin' on a flat rock? Try the entire herd! Traffic was > light, so things went fairly well. But, coming home on > Sunday......... > > It was impossible to move most Virginia drivers from the fast lane. A > hand-held nuclear device would not have helped. One woman in a Saturn > insisted on staying in the fast lane while driving 62 mph. She had > traffic backed up for 200 yards in both lanes. I finally managed to > pass her (after about ten other cars/semis did) on the right side. > I'm sure she felt that she was not breaking any laws, but by not > staying to the right, she was. > > She wasn't the only one. It was like a swarm of left lane bandits > came out of the Virginia hills and took up station in the left lane > driving below the speed limit. When a trailer truck passes you going > up hill, you have *got* to see the error of your ways. But no, not > those Virginia drivers. Lane discipline means nothing to them. And > where the hell are the cops? These drivers are holding up traffic. > The worst place you want to be while driving is in a large pod of > moving cars/trucks. Get the hell out of the way and let the traffic > find its rhythm. The left lane hogs are far more dangerous by holding > up traffic than someone speeding 10 or 15 mpy over the speed limit. > > And Connecticut! Same thing, only bigger yuppie style cars, and you > have to contend with left lane exits. Who is the brilliant traffic > engineer to dreamed that one up? > > Anyway, rant mode off. Flame suit on. > > Dave > RS6 > > > |
Re: Bad Drivers
Don't want to make this a UK/US debate - but you've pretty much
summed up all of my driving experiences in the US - anywhere!! Still, we get our fair share of "fast lane hoggers" in the UK too. Problem here is that the driving test doesn't include any motorway driving, so no-one learns how to do it properly. Just come back from nearly 3 weeks in France - now they know how to drive! the vast majority of motorways are 2-lanes and they all flow beautifully no mater how much traffic there is, but I think that comes from the fact that they are taught to drive properly in the first place. Matt. Dave LaCourse wrote: > While I am home safely from a 724 mile trip to a wedding south of > Roanoke, Virginia, I remained amazed at the terrible driving habits of > people from Virginia and Connecticut. > > We drove the RS6 down on Thursday with Biblical rain storms all the > way. Cow pissin' on a flat rock? Try the entire herd! Traffic was > light, so things went fairly well. But, coming home on > Sunday......... > > It was impossible to move most Virginia drivers from the fast lane. A > hand-held nuclear device would not have helped. One woman in a Saturn > insisted on staying in the fast lane while driving 62 mph. She had > traffic backed up for 200 yards in both lanes. I finally managed to > pass her (after about ten other cars/semis did) on the right side. > I'm sure she felt that she was not breaking any laws, but by not > staying to the right, she was. > > She wasn't the only one. It was like a swarm of left lane bandits > came out of the Virginia hills and took up station in the left lane > driving below the speed limit. When a trailer truck passes you going > up hill, you have *got* to see the error of your ways. But no, not > those Virginia drivers. Lane discipline means nothing to them. And > where the hell are the cops? These drivers are holding up traffic. > The worst place you want to be while driving is in a large pod of > moving cars/trucks. Get the hell out of the way and let the traffic > find its rhythm. The left lane hogs are far more dangerous by holding > up traffic than someone speeding 10 or 15 mpy over the speed limit. > > And Connecticut! Same thing, only bigger yuppie style cars, and you > have to contend with left lane exits. Who is the brilliant traffic > engineer to dreamed that one up? > > Anyway, rant mode off. Flame suit on. > > Dave > RS6 > > > |
Re: Bad Drivers
Don't want to make this a UK/US debate - but you've pretty much
summed up all of my driving experiences in the US - anywhere!! Still, we get our fair share of "fast lane hoggers" in the UK too. Problem here is that the driving test doesn't include any motorway driving, so no-one learns how to do it properly. Just come back from nearly 3 weeks in France - now they know how to drive! the vast majority of motorways are 2-lanes and they all flow beautifully no mater how much traffic there is, but I think that comes from the fact that they are taught to drive properly in the first place. Matt. Dave LaCourse wrote: > While I am home safely from a 724 mile trip to a wedding south of > Roanoke, Virginia, I remained amazed at the terrible driving habits of > people from Virginia and Connecticut. > > We drove the RS6 down on Thursday with Biblical rain storms all the > way. Cow pissin' on a flat rock? Try the entire herd! Traffic was > light, so things went fairly well. But, coming home on > Sunday......... > > It was impossible to move most Virginia drivers from the fast lane. A > hand-held nuclear device would not have helped. One woman in a Saturn > insisted on staying in the fast lane while driving 62 mph. She had > traffic backed up for 200 yards in both lanes. I finally managed to > pass her (after about ten other cars/semis did) on the right side. > I'm sure she felt that she was not breaking any laws, but by not > staying to the right, she was. > > She wasn't the only one. It was like a swarm of left lane bandits > came out of the Virginia hills and took up station in the left lane > driving below the speed limit. When a trailer truck passes you going > up hill, you have *got* to see the error of your ways. But no, not > those Virginia drivers. Lane discipline means nothing to them. And > where the hell are the cops? These drivers are holding up traffic. > The worst place you want to be while driving is in a large pod of > moving cars/trucks. Get the hell out of the way and let the traffic > find its rhythm. The left lane hogs are far more dangerous by holding > up traffic than someone speeding 10 or 15 mpy over the speed limit. > > And Connecticut! Same thing, only bigger yuppie style cars, and you > have to contend with left lane exits. Who is the brilliant traffic > engineer to dreamed that one up? > > Anyway, rant mode off. Flame suit on. > > Dave > RS6 > > > |
Re: Bad Drivers
On Wed, 13 Jul 2005 08:22:49 +0000 (UTC), Matthew Maddock
<matthew.maddock@nospamplease.mmaddock.com> wrote: >Still, we get our fair share of "fast lane hoggers" in the UK too. >Problem here is that the driving test doesn't include any motorway >driving, so no-one learns how to do it properly. I once taught police officers high performance driving but had to give it up a couple of years ago because of health (age). Most will tell you that the worst thing out there is tailgating, but they give few tickets for it because they have no hard evidence (i.e., radar) to use in court. Most won't bother to give a ticket for 10 mph over in a 65 mph because that is usually the speed most folks are going. The trouble begins at the learner's level. Most driving schools emphasize parallell and can't even get hand positioning correct. The same school I taught is now teaching teenagers. I've sponsored several friends' children and attend the school and teach that day. These kids know nothing about driving except how to put the car in gear and move. They all know how to parallell park, however. It is very scarey. Hopefully the school will leave a lasting impression on them and help them to survive today's crowded highways. Their parents attend the school to observe, and I usually take them for a demo ride through each of the exercises. Hopefully they too will take home some proper driving techniques. I have driven in France, Switzerland, and Germany. You are correct - they are excellent drivers and very unforgiving for us rude Americans. Dave |
Re: Bad Drivers
On Wed, 13 Jul 2005 08:22:49 +0000 (UTC), Matthew Maddock
<matthew.maddock@nospamplease.mmaddock.com> wrote: >Still, we get our fair share of "fast lane hoggers" in the UK too. >Problem here is that the driving test doesn't include any motorway >driving, so no-one learns how to do it properly. I once taught police officers high performance driving but had to give it up a couple of years ago because of health (age). Most will tell you that the worst thing out there is tailgating, but they give few tickets for it because they have no hard evidence (i.e., radar) to use in court. Most won't bother to give a ticket for 10 mph over in a 65 mph because that is usually the speed most folks are going. The trouble begins at the learner's level. Most driving schools emphasize parallell and can't even get hand positioning correct. The same school I taught is now teaching teenagers. I've sponsored several friends' children and attend the school and teach that day. These kids know nothing about driving except how to put the car in gear and move. They all know how to parallell park, however. It is very scarey. Hopefully the school will leave a lasting impression on them and help them to survive today's crowded highways. Their parents attend the school to observe, and I usually take them for a demo ride through each of the exercises. Hopefully they too will take home some proper driving techniques. I have driven in France, Switzerland, and Germany. You are correct - they are excellent drivers and very unforgiving for us rude Americans. Dave |
Re: Bad Drivers
On Wed, 13 Jul 2005 08:22:49 +0000 (UTC), Matthew Maddock
<matthew.maddock@nospamplease.mmaddock.com> wrote: >Still, we get our fair share of "fast lane hoggers" in the UK too. >Problem here is that the driving test doesn't include any motorway >driving, so no-one learns how to do it properly. I once taught police officers high performance driving but had to give it up a couple of years ago because of health (age). Most will tell you that the worst thing out there is tailgating, but they give few tickets for it because they have no hard evidence (i.e., radar) to use in court. Most won't bother to give a ticket for 10 mph over in a 65 mph because that is usually the speed most folks are going. The trouble begins at the learner's level. Most driving schools emphasize parallell and can't even get hand positioning correct. The same school I taught is now teaching teenagers. I've sponsored several friends' children and attend the school and teach that day. These kids know nothing about driving except how to put the car in gear and move. They all know how to parallell park, however. It is very scarey. Hopefully the school will leave a lasting impression on them and help them to survive today's crowded highways. Their parents attend the school to observe, and I usually take them for a demo ride through each of the exercises. Hopefully they too will take home some proper driving techniques. I have driven in France, Switzerland, and Germany. You are correct - they are excellent drivers and very unforgiving for us rude Americans. Dave |
Re: Bad Drivers
On Wed, 13 Jul 2005 08:22:49 +0000 (UTC), Matthew Maddock
<matthew.maddock@nospamplease.mmaddock.com> wrote: >Still, we get our fair share of "fast lane hoggers" in the UK too. >Problem here is that the driving test doesn't include any motorway >driving, so no-one learns how to do it properly. I once taught police officers high performance driving but had to give it up a couple of years ago because of health (age). Most will tell you that the worst thing out there is tailgating, but they give few tickets for it because they have no hard evidence (i.e., radar) to use in court. Most won't bother to give a ticket for 10 mph over in a 65 mph because that is usually the speed most folks are going. The trouble begins at the learner's level. Most driving schools emphasize parallell and can't even get hand positioning correct. The same school I taught is now teaching teenagers. I've sponsored several friends' children and attend the school and teach that day. These kids know nothing about driving except how to put the car in gear and move. They all know how to parallell park, however. It is very scarey. Hopefully the school will leave a lasting impression on them and help them to survive today's crowded highways. Their parents attend the school to observe, and I usually take them for a demo ride through each of the exercises. Hopefully they too will take home some proper driving techniques. I have driven in France, Switzerland, and Germany. You are correct - they are excellent drivers and very unforgiving for us rude Americans. Dave |
Re: Bad Drivers
The message <db2j0p$i39$1@nwrdmz02.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com>
from Matthew Maddock <matthew.maddock@nospamplease.mmaddock.com> contains these words: > Still, we get our fair share of "fast lane hoggers" in the UK too. > Problem here is that the driving test doesn't include any motorway > driving, so no-one learns how to do it properly. That's not entirely true. As an instructor (some years ago) I used to take learners on the A40 round Uxbridge 'cos it was so like a motorway (hard shoulders, emergency phones, slip-roads etc) that it gave 'em a chance to see what a motorway was like. I also gave away a 2hr motorway lesson to anyone who recommended a friend. About a third of drivers got on in the long run. There's also the PassPlus system which involves motoway driving. -- Skipweasel. Ivor Cutler - "Never knowingly understood." |
Re: Bad Drivers
The message <db2j0p$i39$1@nwrdmz02.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com>
from Matthew Maddock <matthew.maddock@nospamplease.mmaddock.com> contains these words: > Still, we get our fair share of "fast lane hoggers" in the UK too. > Problem here is that the driving test doesn't include any motorway > driving, so no-one learns how to do it properly. That's not entirely true. As an instructor (some years ago) I used to take learners on the A40 round Uxbridge 'cos it was so like a motorway (hard shoulders, emergency phones, slip-roads etc) that it gave 'em a chance to see what a motorway was like. I also gave away a 2hr motorway lesson to anyone who recommended a friend. About a third of drivers got on in the long run. There's also the PassPlus system which involves motoway driving. -- Skipweasel. Ivor Cutler - "Never knowingly understood." |
Re: Bad Drivers
The message <db2j0p$i39$1@nwrdmz02.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com>
from Matthew Maddock <matthew.maddock@nospamplease.mmaddock.com> contains these words: > Still, we get our fair share of "fast lane hoggers" in the UK too. > Problem here is that the driving test doesn't include any motorway > driving, so no-one learns how to do it properly. That's not entirely true. As an instructor (some years ago) I used to take learners on the A40 round Uxbridge 'cos it was so like a motorway (hard shoulders, emergency phones, slip-roads etc) that it gave 'em a chance to see what a motorway was like. I also gave away a 2hr motorway lesson to anyone who recommended a friend. About a third of drivers got on in the long run. There's also the PassPlus system which involves motoway driving. -- Skipweasel. Ivor Cutler - "Never knowingly understood." |
Re: Bad Drivers
The message <db2j0p$i39$1@nwrdmz02.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com>
from Matthew Maddock <matthew.maddock@nospamplease.mmaddock.com> contains these words: > Still, we get our fair share of "fast lane hoggers" in the UK too. > Problem here is that the driving test doesn't include any motorway > driving, so no-one learns how to do it properly. That's not entirely true. As an instructor (some years ago) I used to take learners on the A40 round Uxbridge 'cos it was so like a motorway (hard shoulders, emergency phones, slip-roads etc) that it gave 'em a chance to see what a motorway was like. I also gave away a 2hr motorway lesson to anyone who recommended a friend. About a third of drivers got on in the long run. There's also the PassPlus system which involves motoway driving. -- Skipweasel. Ivor Cutler - "Never knowingly understood." |
Re: Bad Drivers
The message <uis9d15k08ot491bo7dg817nue2il90nr7@4ax.com>
from Dave LaCourse <dplacourse@pirateaol.com> contains these words: > I have driven in France, Switzerland, and Germany. You are correct - > they are excellent drivers and very unforgiving for us rude Americans. It's very regional. My wife and I lived in West London for several years, but now when we go back we're startled at how aggressive the driving is compared to here in Telford. We don't really get traffic here so people don't get het up so easily. As for the continent - well, Madrid's dreadful to drive in, but the Spanish countryside is fine - the drivers are relaxed and don't bother pushing. Paris is a hoot if you don't mind joining in the spirit of adventure the Parisians have in their driving. Place d'Etoiles for example, has lane markings, but no on uses 'em - you just choose an exit and head for it however you fancy. -- Skipweasel. Ivor Cutler - "Never knowingly understood." |
Re: Bad Drivers
The message <uis9d15k08ot491bo7dg817nue2il90nr7@4ax.com>
from Dave LaCourse <dplacourse@pirateaol.com> contains these words: > I have driven in France, Switzerland, and Germany. You are correct - > they are excellent drivers and very unforgiving for us rude Americans. It's very regional. My wife and I lived in West London for several years, but now when we go back we're startled at how aggressive the driving is compared to here in Telford. We don't really get traffic here so people don't get het up so easily. As for the continent - well, Madrid's dreadful to drive in, but the Spanish countryside is fine - the drivers are relaxed and don't bother pushing. Paris is a hoot if you don't mind joining in the spirit of adventure the Parisians have in their driving. Place d'Etoiles for example, has lane markings, but no on uses 'em - you just choose an exit and head for it however you fancy. -- Skipweasel. Ivor Cutler - "Never knowingly understood." |
Re: Bad Drivers
The message <uis9d15k08ot491bo7dg817nue2il90nr7@4ax.com>
from Dave LaCourse <dplacourse@pirateaol.com> contains these words: > I have driven in France, Switzerland, and Germany. You are correct - > they are excellent drivers and very unforgiving for us rude Americans. It's very regional. My wife and I lived in West London for several years, but now when we go back we're startled at how aggressive the driving is compared to here in Telford. We don't really get traffic here so people don't get het up so easily. As for the continent - well, Madrid's dreadful to drive in, but the Spanish countryside is fine - the drivers are relaxed and don't bother pushing. Paris is a hoot if you don't mind joining in the spirit of adventure the Parisians have in their driving. Place d'Etoiles for example, has lane markings, but no on uses 'em - you just choose an exit and head for it however you fancy. -- Skipweasel. Ivor Cutler - "Never knowingly understood." |
Re: Bad Drivers
The message <uis9d15k08ot491bo7dg817nue2il90nr7@4ax.com>
from Dave LaCourse <dplacourse@pirateaol.com> contains these words: > I have driven in France, Switzerland, and Germany. You are correct - > they are excellent drivers and very unforgiving for us rude Americans. It's very regional. My wife and I lived in West London for several years, but now when we go back we're startled at how aggressive the driving is compared to here in Telford. We don't really get traffic here so people don't get het up so easily. As for the continent - well, Madrid's dreadful to drive in, but the Spanish countryside is fine - the drivers are relaxed and don't bother pushing. Paris is a hoot if you don't mind joining in the spirit of adventure the Parisians have in their driving. Place d'Etoiles for example, has lane markings, but no on uses 'em - you just choose an exit and head for it however you fancy. -- Skipweasel. Ivor Cutler - "Never knowingly understood." |
Re: Bad Drivers
So Dave, you only had a hint of NJ drivers, assuming you took the NJ
Turnpike.... I learned to drive in Massachusetts and lived there for 15 years and thought THEY were bad until I moved to NJ.... They are the WORST here, as you have a lot of people that really don't know how to drive but do it fast anyways. And the more clapped-out the car is, the faster they go. Talk about frusternation! Dan D '04 A4 1.8Tq MT-6 Central NJ USA |
Re: Bad Drivers
So Dave, you only had a hint of NJ drivers, assuming you took the NJ
Turnpike.... I learned to drive in Massachusetts and lived there for 15 years and thought THEY were bad until I moved to NJ.... They are the WORST here, as you have a lot of people that really don't know how to drive but do it fast anyways. And the more clapped-out the car is, the faster they go. Talk about frusternation! Dan D '04 A4 1.8Tq MT-6 Central NJ USA |
Re: Bad Drivers
So Dave, you only had a hint of NJ drivers, assuming you took the NJ
Turnpike.... I learned to drive in Massachusetts and lived there for 15 years and thought THEY were bad until I moved to NJ.... They are the WORST here, as you have a lot of people that really don't know how to drive but do it fast anyways. And the more clapped-out the car is, the faster they go. Talk about frusternation! Dan D '04 A4 1.8Tq MT-6 Central NJ USA |
Re: Bad Drivers
So Dave, you only had a hint of NJ drivers, assuming you took the NJ
Turnpike.... I learned to drive in Massachusetts and lived there for 15 years and thought THEY were bad until I moved to NJ.... They are the WORST here, as you have a lot of people that really don't know how to drive but do it fast anyways. And the more clapped-out the car is, the faster they go. Talk about frusternation! Dan D '04 A4 1.8Tq MT-6 Central NJ USA |
Re: Bad Drivers
On 13 Jul 2005 05:28:47 -0700, "Dano58" <dan.dibiase@gmail.com> wrote:
>So Dave, you only had a hint of NJ drivers, assuming you took the NJ >Turnpike.... I learned to drive in Massachusetts and lived there for 15 >years and thought THEY were bad until I moved to NJ.... They are the >WORST here, as you have a lot of people that really don't know how to >drive but do it fast anyways. And the more clapped-out the car is, the >faster they go. Talk about frusternation! I didn't take the NJ turnpike. I used I84 and I81 to avoid NY, NJ, MD, and DC. You are correct about Mass drivers, but they aren't as bad as VA or CT, and we won't even mention NY. d;o) I have avoided the I95 corridor for more than 20 years, and do not miss it. |
Re: Bad Drivers
On 13 Jul 2005 05:28:47 -0700, "Dano58" <dan.dibiase@gmail.com> wrote:
>So Dave, you only had a hint of NJ drivers, assuming you took the NJ >Turnpike.... I learned to drive in Massachusetts and lived there for 15 >years and thought THEY were bad until I moved to NJ.... They are the >WORST here, as you have a lot of people that really don't know how to >drive but do it fast anyways. And the more clapped-out the car is, the >faster they go. Talk about frusternation! I didn't take the NJ turnpike. I used I84 and I81 to avoid NY, NJ, MD, and DC. You are correct about Mass drivers, but they aren't as bad as VA or CT, and we won't even mention NY. d;o) I have avoided the I95 corridor for more than 20 years, and do not miss it. |
Re: Bad Drivers
On 13 Jul 2005 05:28:47 -0700, "Dano58" <dan.dibiase@gmail.com> wrote:
>So Dave, you only had a hint of NJ drivers, assuming you took the NJ >Turnpike.... I learned to drive in Massachusetts and lived there for 15 >years and thought THEY were bad until I moved to NJ.... They are the >WORST here, as you have a lot of people that really don't know how to >drive but do it fast anyways. And the more clapped-out the car is, the >faster they go. Talk about frusternation! I didn't take the NJ turnpike. I used I84 and I81 to avoid NY, NJ, MD, and DC. You are correct about Mass drivers, but they aren't as bad as VA or CT, and we won't even mention NY. d;o) I have avoided the I95 corridor for more than 20 years, and do not miss it. |
Re: Bad Drivers
On 13 Jul 2005 05:28:47 -0700, "Dano58" <dan.dibiase@gmail.com> wrote:
>So Dave, you only had a hint of NJ drivers, assuming you took the NJ >Turnpike.... I learned to drive in Massachusetts and lived there for 15 >years and thought THEY were bad until I moved to NJ.... They are the >WORST here, as you have a lot of people that really don't know how to >drive but do it fast anyways. And the more clapped-out the car is, the >faster they go. Talk about frusternation! I didn't take the NJ turnpike. I used I84 and I81 to avoid NY, NJ, MD, and DC. You are correct about Mass drivers, but they aren't as bad as VA or CT, and we won't even mention NY. d;o) I have avoided the I95 corridor for more than 20 years, and do not miss it. |
Re: Bad Drivers
On Wed, 13 Jul 2005 11:57:39 -0400, Dave LaCourse
<dplacourse@pirateaol.com> wrote: >I didn't take the NJ turnpike. I used I84 and I81 to avoid NY, NJ, >MD, and DC. You are correct about Mass drivers, but they aren't as >bad as VA or CT, and we won't even mention NY. d;o) If you mean NY drivers as in the NYC area, ok. But in western NY, we're not so bad, really! Quite a few of us have the good sense to own/drive Audi Quattros and Subarus. |
Re: Bad Drivers
On Wed, 13 Jul 2005 11:57:39 -0400, Dave LaCourse
<dplacourse@pirateaol.com> wrote: >I didn't take the NJ turnpike. I used I84 and I81 to avoid NY, NJ, >MD, and DC. You are correct about Mass drivers, but they aren't as >bad as VA or CT, and we won't even mention NY. d;o) If you mean NY drivers as in the NYC area, ok. But in western NY, we're not so bad, really! Quite a few of us have the good sense to own/drive Audi Quattros and Subarus. |
Re: Bad Drivers
On Wed, 13 Jul 2005 11:57:39 -0400, Dave LaCourse
<dplacourse@pirateaol.com> wrote: >I didn't take the NJ turnpike. I used I84 and I81 to avoid NY, NJ, >MD, and DC. You are correct about Mass drivers, but they aren't as >bad as VA or CT, and we won't even mention NY. d;o) If you mean NY drivers as in the NYC area, ok. But in western NY, we're not so bad, really! Quite a few of us have the good sense to own/drive Audi Quattros and Subarus. |
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