JP Roberts

5 years, 125,000 km: 1 emergency light relay, 4 bulbs, 1 throttle body unit,
2 rear Bose speakers, leaking valve lid gasket. Filters and inspections
every 30,000 km. 90,000 tensioner belt and tensioners, oil and filter change
every 7,500 km.

Rather happy except for the TB, which was a rip-off to replace, and the Bose
speakers, which was "blood-sucking" to put it mildly.

My two cents,

JP

Seriously, are BMWs better or not? Let me know before I change into my new
car soon.
"ag" <ageisse@pacbell.net> escribió en el mensaje
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> OK, so what does this mean? Good reliability or not? Have they fixed all
> their previous problems?
>
> "daytripper" <day_trippr@REMOVEyahoo.com> wrote in message
> newsefksv8bnmo980kpes85r0reld4qm6rkuo@4ax.com...
> > On Sun, 30 Nov 2003 16:49:23 GMT, "ag" <ageisse@pacbell.net> wrote:
> >
> > >I am looking at an Audi A4, vs. a BMW 330i. Has Audi gotten any better
> in
> > >terms of reliability? Or are they still in the shop all the time?
> >
> > [..../]
> >
> > Troll-O-Meter
>
>

Inger Skramstad Jørstad

"Peter Bell" <peter@invalid.org.uk> skrev i melding
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> In message <d5qyb.2631$Y06.35731@news4.e.nsc.no>
> "Inger Skramstad Jørstad" <ingjoers@online.no> wrote:
> > > Yes, Audis are in the shop all the time!
> > > That's why you don't see them on the streets.

> > More bollocks..................

> I think that was irony!

Yes, I thought it might be irony, but I was not quite sure. It is often hard
to tell the difference in a written text, but I still strongly suspected
irony. I was not sure enough to allow it to pass without any comment,
though, so I chose to regard it as seriously meant, just in case. You just
cannot be too careful these days, you know...............

Inger Skramstad Jørstad

"ag" <ageisse@pacbell.net> skrev i melding
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> OK, so what does this mean? Good reliability or not? Have they fixed all
their previous problems?

What problems!? You cannot fix non-existent problems, can you?? It is the
right of everybody to publicly express the confusion in their minds, even
you, you know.................. Audis and BMWs are in totally different
leagues, right? It is just like comparing gold ( = Audis) to simple brass
( = BMWs)..................

Graham

"daytripper" <day_trippr@REMOVEyahoo.com> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 30 Nov 2003 19:43:24 GMT, "ag" <ageisse@pacbell.net> wrote:
>
> >"daytripper" <day_trippr@REMOVEyahoo.com> wrote in message
> >newsefksv8bnmo980kpes85r0reld4qm6rkuo@4ax.com.. .
> >> On Sun, 30 Nov 2003 16:49:23 GMT, "ag" <ageisse@pacbell.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> >I am looking at an Audi A4, vs. a BMW 330i. Has Audi gotten any
better
> >in
> >> >terms of reliability? Or are they still in the shop all the time?
> >>
> >> [..../]
> >>
> >> Troll-O-Meter
>
> >OK, so what does this mean? Good reliability or not? Have they fixed
all
> >their previous problems?
>
> What "previous problems"? Like the melting plastic water pump impellers
that
> lead to very expensive head repairs? Ooops - sorry, that was BMW.

Audi also suffered from the plastic water pump impeller problem on the very
early 1.8 engines. I know from personal experience. However, thankfully
all that happened (in my case) was that the engine got a little hotter than
normal

Hairy One Kenobi

"ag" <ageisse@pacbell.net> wrote in message
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> "daytripper" <day_trippr@REMOVEyahoo.com> wrote in message
> newsefksv8bnmo980kpes85r0reld4qm6rkuo@4ax.com...
> > On Sun, 30 Nov 2003 16:49:23 GMT, "ag" <ageisse@pacbell.net> wrote:
> >
> > >I am looking at an Audi A4, vs. a BMW 330i. Has Audi gotten any better
> in
> > >terms of reliability? Or are they still in the shop all the time?
> >
> > [..../]
> >
> > Troll-O-Meter

> OK, so what does this mean? Good reliability or not? Have they fixed all
> their previous problems?

I think what Day' was trying to impart was "what problems? Sounds like an
idiot trying to provoke a response". He put it a little more succinctly,
however.

Me, OTOH, being a trusting individual, will answer "what problems?"

There was a bad batch of coilpacks back in (IIRC) 2001, dodgy DVs on TT225s
in 2000, several people in Germany discovered that turning hard right on a
motorway at 100mph+ in the dark and in bad weather can have undesirable
consequences (i.e. it does what you tell it), and the Wankel engine never
quite achieved the popularity that NSU hoped for.

OTOH, compared to (e.g.) Ford, that's not necessarily such a bad record. (In
defence of Ford owners, I should also provide balance by saying that they
now have a number of European-built cars under their belt that didn't need
an immediate recall for brake problems, and very often start in bad weather.
These days).

Your best bet might be a simple Google for recalls in the US (e.g. 73 for
the BMW 330i, about a third for the A4). YYMV. My last car (a BMW 3-series)
had the two most "interesting" recall that I can remember - ABS that
released all four wheels under emergency braking, and a steering column that
could become detached in normal driving after three years. Your Mileage will
undoubtedly Vary ;o)

--

Hairy One Kenobi

Disclaimer: the opinions expressed in this opinion do not necessarily
reflect the opinions of the highly-opinionated person expressing the opinion
in the first place. So there!

Ronny

"Ebodski" <jarvis@{spamless}fsmail.net> wrote in message
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> Amongst the several dozens of cars I've owned, I've had one BMW & one Audi
>
> They represented both ends of the spectrum in terms of reliablity & cost.
>
> The 1986 323i was the biggest money-pit I've ever owned and the 1993
80-TDI
> was the cheapest to run & most reliable car had so far.
>
> I still own it and its now got 256000 miles and runs like a dream.
>
> I'm selling it only because its old and I want a car with aircon etc
>
> http://freespace.virgin.net/ian.jarvo/audi80tdi.htm
>
>
very nice example, 10 yrs old and still looking like new my 140k miles
seems like im just running it in.

In 4 yrs i have had 1 battery, 4 services a water pipe, 2 rear wheel
bearings, and a set of brake pads.

And everything still works as brand new, the interior looks great, and it
drives like a dream

1997 A4 Quattro

Does that seem like alot wrong with it.?

Jonesy

"ag" <ageisse@pacbell.net> wrote in message news:<ncpyb.28129$uP3.16401@newssvr29.news.prodigy .com>...
> I am looking at an Audi A4, vs. a BMW 330i. Has Audi gotten any better in
> terms of reliability? Or are they still in the shop all the time?

Yes, they are all in the shop, all the time.

It is for precisely that reason that you should never buy one. I'll
keep my two, but only because I am a professional mechanic, and have
an unlimited supply of time and money.

I think you should really buy the BMW. They are so much more
reliable. Oh, and Audis aren't very fun to drive. Slow, bad
handling, terrible fuel mileage, and uncomfortable to ride in.
Really, a completely miserable automotive experience.

Yes, the BMW is precisely the car you want. They are the ultimate
driving machines, after all.

One last thing - everything you read in USENET is the gospel truth.
--
Jonesy

ag

Thanks, appreciate it.


"Hairy One Kenobi" <abuse@[127.0.0.1]> wrote in message
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> "ag" <ageisse@pacbell.net> wrote in message
> news:wLryb.62359$tC4.16364@newssvr25.news.prodigy. com...
> > "daytripper" <day_trippr@REMOVEyahoo.com> wrote in message
> > newsefksv8bnmo980kpes85r0reld4qm6rkuo@4ax.com...
> > > On Sun, 30 Nov 2003 16:49:23 GMT, "ag" <ageisse@pacbell.net> wrote:
> > >
> > > >I am looking at an Audi A4, vs. a BMW 330i. Has Audi gotten any
better
> > in
> > > >terms of reliability? Or are they still in the shop all the time?
> > >
> > > [..../]
> > >
> > > Troll-O-Meter
>
> > OK, so what does this mean? Good reliability or not? Have they fixed
all
> > their previous problems?
>
> I think what Day' was trying to impart was "what problems? Sounds like an
> idiot trying to provoke a response". He put it a little more succinctly,
> however.
>
> Me, OTOH, being a trusting individual, will answer "what problems?"
>
> There was a bad batch of coilpacks back in (IIRC) 2001, dodgy DVs on
TT225s
> in 2000, several people in Germany discovered that turning hard right on a
> motorway at 100mph+ in the dark and in bad weather can have undesirable
> consequences (i.e. it does what you tell it), and the Wankel engine never
> quite achieved the popularity that NSU hoped for.
>
> OTOH, compared to (e.g.) Ford, that's not necessarily such a bad record.
(In
> defence of Ford owners, I should also provide balance by saying that they
> now have a number of European-built cars under their belt that didn't need
> an immediate recall for brake problems, and very often start in bad
weather.
> These days).
>
> Your best bet might be a simple Google for recalls in the US (e.g. 73 for
> the BMW 330i, about a third for the A4). YYMV. My last car (a BMW
3-series)
> had the two most "interesting" recall that I can remember - ABS that
> released all four wheels under emergency braking, and a steering column
that
> could become detached in normal driving after three years. Your Mileage
will
> undoubtedly Vary ;o)
>
> --
>
> Hairy One Kenobi
>
> Disclaimer: the opinions expressed in this opinion do not necessarily
> reflect the opinions of the highly-opinionated person expressing the
opinion
> in the first place. So there!
>
>

Haydn Vernals

On Sun, 30 Nov 2003 16:49:23 GMT, "ag" <ageisse@pacbell.net> wrote:

>I am looking at an Audi A4, vs. a BMW 330i. Has Audi gotten any better in
>terms of reliability? Or are they still in the shop all the time?
>


I've just spent a small fortune on a replacement gearbox, but
generally happy with my lot, the real difference that I've found is
with the dealer network. I'm 32, earn very good money and live in the
UK, I have walked into BMW and Merc dealerships many times and walked
out feeling like a piece of ....

However, from the very first time I walked into my local Audi Dealer I
felt like a million dollars, I've been treated well, I'm always
offered a courtesy car when my car is serviced, when I left the car
with them for the gearbox I was offered a courtesy taxi home and back
to the dealer free of charge...

This means a lot to me, I like to wear jeans and tee shirts and refuse
to dress up in a suit to take my car in for a service or even to go
buy a new car. I can ask for any of the courtesy cars to play with
when mines been serviced - Had an A2, various A3's and some different
A4's.

That is the big difference for me, I wouldn't now buy a Merc of BMW
due to the bad dealership vibes... try getting the sales manager to
arrange a lease or finance with Merc or BMW and you will be waiting by
the phone for ever... And as for quality of finish, everything is
well screwed together, well designed and where you would expect it to
be.

The ride is hard on mine with the sports suspension, thats a price i
pay for been able to slingshot around roundabouts - A european thing I
guess - Take on a windy mountain/hillside road and finish with a great
big grin on my face.

Stuff the Bimmer, they look like the old Toyatas and Nissans now
anyways !!!!

Haydn