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Benwa 10-22-2003 02:25 PM

Audi Coupé 1991 2.3 Quattro - Not starting
 
Hi,
Does someone know where i can find the engine-starter fuse.
When turning the key, the starter does not give a kick, putting 12+ on the
relay directly from the battery, the starter just working fine.
It can only be a fuse, or that damn Bosch alarm. Normally the Bosh alarm is
disconnected, so...

Thx
Benoit



TonyJ 10-22-2003 02:49 PM

Re: Audi Coupé 1991 2.3 Quattro - Not starting
 
If it is an Auto it might be the interlock switch on the trans linkage
that only allows it to start in Park. Could also be your ignition switch.

Tony
'91 100Q 5spd

Benwa wrote:

> Hi,
> Does someone know where i can find the engine-starter fuse.
> When turning the key, the starter does not give a kick, putting 12+ on the
> relay directly from the battery, the starter just working fine.
> It can only be a fuse, or that damn Bosch alarm. Normally the Bosh alarm is
> disconnected, so...
>
> Thx
> Benoit
>
>



Benwa 10-22-2003 02:59 PM

Re: Audi Coupé 1991 2.3 Quattro - Not starting
 
Tony, thanks for the tip
Is not an Auto, and so far i can check it, its not the ignition switch.
Thats the first think i thought, because i had this problem with my previous
Coupe, a 1985 model.
When i switch with the key to the ignition position, i can hear a little
'tick' around my dashboard, so i am pretty sure it's acts correctly.
It's strange, the owners manual nowhere refers to any fuse.

Grtz
Benoit

"TonyJ" <tonyjNOSPAM@NOSPAMvisi.com> wrote in message
news:3f96de0e$0$41285$a1866201@newsreader.visi.com ...
> If it is an Auto it might be the interlock switch on the trans linkage
> that only allows it to start in Park. Could also be your ignition switch.
>
> Tony
> '91 100Q 5spd
>
> Benwa wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> > Does someone know where i can find the engine-starter fuse.
> > When turning the key, the starter does not give a kick, putting 12+ on

the
> > relay directly from the battery, the starter just working fine.
> > It can only be a fuse, or that damn Bosch alarm. Normally the Bosh alarm

is
> > disconnected, so...
> >
> > Thx
> > Benoit
> >
> >

>




TonyJ 10-22-2003 06:39 PM

Re: Audi Coupé 1991 2.3 Quattro - Not starting
 
With a helper you could put a volt meter tester on the small connection
of the starter solonoid and turn the key to see if it is getting power.
If it is then the starter solonoid is the problem (probably dirty or
corroded).

Tony
'91 100Q 5spd

Benwa wrote:
> Tony, thanks for the tip
> Is not an Auto, and so far i can check it, its not the ignition switch.
> Thats the first think i thought, because i had this problem with my previous
> Coupe, a 1985 model.
> When i switch with the key to the ignition position, i can hear a little
> 'tick' around my dashboard, so i am pretty sure it's acts correctly.
> It's strange, the owners manual nowhere refers to any fuse.
>
> Grtz
> Benoit
>
> "TonyJ" <tonyjNOSPAM@NOSPAMvisi.com> wrote in message
> news:3f96de0e$0$41285$a1866201@newsreader.visi.com ...
>
>>If it is an Auto it might be the interlock switch on the trans linkage
>>that only allows it to start in Park. Could also be your ignition switch.
>>
>>Tony
>>'91 100Q 5spd
>>
>>Benwa wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Hi,
>>>Does someone know where i can find the engine-starter fuse.
>>>When turning the key, the starter does not give a kick, putting 12+ on

>
> the
>
>>>relay directly from the battery, the starter just working fine.
>>>It can only be a fuse, or that damn Bosch alarm. Normally the Bosh alarm

>
> is
>
>>>disconnected, so...
>>>
>>>Thx
>>>Benoit
>>>
>>>

>>

>
>



Steve Sears 10-23-2003 08:33 AM

Re: Audi Coupé 1991 2.3 Quattro - Not starting
 
Benoit,
Is the "tick" from your dash, or from the starter solenoid under the hood?
Like Tony says, check the wires at the starter to see if they are getting
power. There's a braided cable that runs from the solenoid to the starter -
often it gets corroded and causes the starter to pack up.
Cheers!
Steve Sears
1987 Audi 5kTQ
1980 Audi 5k
1962 and '64 Auto Union DKW Junior deLuxes
(SPAM Blocker NOTE: Remove SHOES to reply)
"Benwa" <scooty@pi.be> wrote in message news:bn6nnm$qb1$1@reader10.wxs.nl...
> Tony, thanks for the tip
> Is not an Auto, and so far i can check it, its not the ignition switch.
> Thats the first think i thought, because i had this problem with my

previous
> Coupe, a 1985 model.
> When i switch with the key to the ignition position, i can hear a little
> 'tick' around my dashboard, so i am pretty sure it's acts correctly.
> It's strange, the owners manual nowhere refers to any fuse.
>
> Grtz
> Benoit
>
> "TonyJ" <tonyjNOSPAM@NOSPAMvisi.com> wrote in message
> news:3f96de0e$0$41285$a1866201@newsreader.visi.com ...
> > If it is an Auto it might be the interlock switch on the trans linkage
> > that only allows it to start in Park. Could also be your ignition

switch.
> >
> > Tony
> > '91 100Q 5spd
> >
> > Benwa wrote:
> >
> > > Hi,
> > > Does someone know where i can find the engine-starter fuse.
> > > When turning the key, the starter does not give a kick, putting 12+ on

> the
> > > relay directly from the battery, the starter just working fine.
> > > It can only be a fuse, or that damn Bosch alarm. Normally the Bosh

alarm
> is
> > > disconnected, so...
> > >
> > > Thx
> > > Benoit
> > >
> > >

> >

>
>




Benwa 10-23-2003 11:55 AM

Re: Audi Coupé 1991 2.3 Quattro - Not starting
 
Hi Steve,

The tick is from the dash
The solenoid and starter are fine, because i already started the car taking
power directly from battery..
There is something wrong between the solenoid to ignition switch.
My local dealer told me by phone he is pretty sure it is my ignition switch,
because there is no fuse between both.. i have to messure step by step and
check my wires


Thx for the help

Benoit


"Steve Sears" <steve.sears@SHOESsoil-mat.on.ca> wrote in message
news:XMQlb.13226$XO.955262@news20.bellglobal.com.. .
> Benoit,
> Is the "tick" from your dash, or from the starter solenoid under the hood?
> Like Tony says, check the wires at the starter to see if they are getting
> power. There's a braided cable that runs from the solenoid to the

starter -
> often it gets corroded and causes the starter to pack up.
> Cheers!
> Steve Sears
> 1987 Audi 5kTQ
> 1980 Audi 5k
> 1962 and '64 Auto Union DKW Junior deLuxes
> (SPAM Blocker NOTE: Remove SHOES to reply)
> "Benwa" <scooty@pi.be> wrote in message

news:bn6nnm$qb1$1@reader10.wxs.nl...
> > Tony, thanks for the tip
> > Is not an Auto, and so far i can check it, its not the ignition switch.
> > Thats the first think i thought, because i had this problem with my

> previous
> > Coupe, a 1985 model.
> > When i switch with the key to the ignition position, i can hear a little
> > 'tick' around my dashboard, so i am pretty sure it's acts correctly.
> > It's strange, the owners manual nowhere refers to any fuse.
> >
> > Grtz
> > Benoit
> >
> > "TonyJ" <tonyjNOSPAM@NOSPAMvisi.com> wrote in message
> > news:3f96de0e$0$41285$a1866201@newsreader.visi.com ...
> > > If it is an Auto it might be the interlock switch on the trans linkage
> > > that only allows it to start in Park. Could also be your ignition

> switch.
> > >
> > > Tony
> > > '91 100Q 5spd
> > >
> > > Benwa wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi,
> > > > Does someone know where i can find the engine-starter fuse.
> > > > When turning the key, the starter does not give a kick, putting 12+

on
> > the
> > > > relay directly from the battery, the starter just working fine.
> > > > It can only be a fuse, or that damn Bosch alarm. Normally the Bosh

> alarm
> > is
> > > > disconnected, so...
> > > >
> > > > Thx
> > > > Benoit
> > > >
> > > >
> > >

> >
> >

>
>




Benwa 10-23-2003 11:59 AM

Re: Audi Coupé 1991 2.3 Quattro - Not starting
 
Hi Tony,

The solonoid is working. Whith a friend we did the test with the voltmeter,
but no power coming from wire.
Getting power directly from battery with a external wire, solonoid activates
the starter, and car is running

Thx
Benoit

"TonyJ" <tonyjNOSPAM@NOSPAMvisi.com> wrote in message
news:3f9713fb$0$75895$a1866201@newsreader.visi.com ...
> With a helper you could put a volt meter tester on the small connection
> of the starter solonoid and turn the key to see if it is getting power.
> If it is then the starter solonoid is the problem (probably dirty or
> corroded).
>
> Tony
> '91 100Q 5spd
>
> Benwa wrote:
> > Tony, thanks for the tip
> > Is not an Auto, and so far i can check it, its not the ignition switch.
> > Thats the first think i thought, because i had this problem with my

previous
> > Coupe, a 1985 model.
> > When i switch with the key to the ignition position, i can hear a little
> > 'tick' around my dashboard, so i am pretty sure it's acts correctly.
> > It's strange, the owners manual nowhere refers to any fuse.
> >
> > Grtz
> > Benoit
> >
> > "TonyJ" <tonyjNOSPAM@NOSPAMvisi.com> wrote in message
> > news:3f96de0e$0$41285$a1866201@newsreader.visi.com ...
> >
> >>If it is an Auto it might be the interlock switch on the trans linkage
> >>that only allows it to start in Park. Could also be your ignition

switch.
> >>
> >>Tony
> >>'91 100Q 5spd
> >>
> >>Benwa wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>Hi,
> >>>Does someone know where i can find the engine-starter fuse.
> >>>When turning the key, the starter does not give a kick, putting 12+ on

> >
> > the
> >
> >>>relay directly from the battery, the starter just working fine.
> >>>It can only be a fuse, or that damn Bosch alarm. Normally the Bosh

alarm
> >
> > is
> >
> >>>disconnected, so...
> >>>
> >>>Thx
> >>>Benoit
> >>>
> >>>
> >>

> >
> >

>




TonyJ 10-23-2003 12:19 PM

Re: Audi Coupé 1991 2.3 Quattro - Not starting
 
I would be thinking aboutthe ignition switch.

Tony

Benwa wrote:
> Hi Tony,
>
> The solonoid is working. Whith a friend we did the test with the voltmeter,
> but no power coming from wire.
> Getting power directly from battery with a external wire, solonoid activates
> the starter, and car is running
>
> Thx
> Benoit
>
> "TonyJ" <tonyjNOSPAM@NOSPAMvisi.com> wrote in message
> news:3f9713fb$0$75895$a1866201@newsreader.visi.com ...
>
>>With a helper you could put a volt meter tester on the small connection
>>of the starter solonoid and turn the key to see if it is getting power.
>>If it is then the starter solonoid is the problem (probably dirty or
>>corroded).
>>
>>Tony
>>'91 100Q 5spd
>>
>>Benwa wrote:
>>
>>>Tony, thanks for the tip
>>>Is not an Auto, and so far i can check it, its not the ignition switch.
>>>Thats the first think i thought, because i had this problem with my

>
> previous
>
>>>Coupe, a 1985 model.
>>>When i switch with the key to the ignition position, i can hear a little
>>>'tick' around my dashboard, so i am pretty sure it's acts correctly.
>>>It's strange, the owners manual nowhere refers to any fuse.
>>>
>>>Grtz
>>>Benoit
>>>
>>>"TonyJ" <tonyjNOSPAM@NOSPAMvisi.com> wrote in message
>>>news:3f96de0e$0$41285$a1866201@newsreader.visi. com...
>>>
>>>
>>>>If it is an Auto it might be the interlock switch on the trans linkage
>>>>that only allows it to start in Park. Could also be your ignition

>
> switch.
>
>>>>Tony
>>>>'91 100Q 5spd
>>>>
>>>>Benwa wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Hi,
>>>>>Does someone know where i can find the engine-starter fuse.
>>>>>When turning the key, the starter does not give a kick, putting 12+ on
>>>
>>>the
>>>
>>>
>>>>>relay directly from the battery, the starter just working fine.
>>>>>It can only be a fuse, or that damn Bosch alarm. Normally the Bosh

>
> alarm
>
>>>is
>>>
>>>
>>>>>disconnected, so...
>>>>>
>>>>>Thx
>>>>>Benoit
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>

>
>



Benwa 10-23-2003 12:48 PM

Re: Audi Coupé 1991 2.3 Quattro - Not starting
 
It is the first thing i will check tommorow
I will post the answer if i can locate the problem
Thanks anyway

Grtz
Benoit

"TonyJ" <tonyjNOSPAM@NOSPAMvisi.com> wrote in message
news:3f980c36$0$41298$a1866201@newsreader.visi.com ...
> I would be thinking aboutthe ignition switch.
>
> Tony
>
> Benwa wrote:
> > Hi Tony,
> >
> > The solonoid is working. Whith a friend we did the test with the

voltmeter,
> > but no power coming from wire.
> > Getting power directly from battery with a external wire, solonoid

activates
> > the starter, and car is running
> >
> > Thx
> > Benoit
> >
> > "TonyJ" <tonyjNOSPAM@NOSPAMvisi.com> wrote in message
> > news:3f9713fb$0$75895$a1866201@newsreader.visi.com ...
> >
> >>With a helper you could put a volt meter tester on the small connection
> >>of the starter solonoid and turn the key to see if it is getting power.
> >>If it is then the starter solonoid is the problem (probably dirty or
> >>corroded).
> >>
> >>Tony
> >>'91 100Q 5spd
> >>
> >>Benwa wrote:
> >>
> >>>Tony, thanks for the tip
> >>>Is not an Auto, and so far i can check it, its not the ignition switch.
> >>>Thats the first think i thought, because i had this problem with my

> >
> > previous
> >
> >>>Coupe, a 1985 model.
> >>>When i switch with the key to the ignition position, i can hear a

little
> >>>'tick' around my dashboard, so i am pretty sure it's acts correctly.
> >>>It's strange, the owners manual nowhere refers to any fuse.
> >>>
> >>>Grtz
> >>>Benoit
> >>>
> >>>"TonyJ" <tonyjNOSPAM@NOSPAMvisi.com> wrote in message
> >>>news:3f96de0e$0$41285$a1866201@newsreader.visi. com...
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>If it is an Auto it might be the interlock switch on the trans linkage
> >>>>that only allows it to start in Park. Could also be your ignition

> >
> > switch.
> >
> >>>>Tony
> >>>>'91 100Q 5spd
> >>>>
> >>>>Benwa wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>Hi,
> >>>>>Does someone know where i can find the engine-starter fuse.
> >>>>>When turning the key, the starter does not give a kick, putting 12+

on
> >>>
> >>>the
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>relay directly from the battery, the starter just working fine.
> >>>>>It can only be a fuse, or that damn Bosch alarm. Normally the Bosh

> >
> > alarm
> >
> >>>is
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>disconnected, so...
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Thx
> >>>>>Benoit
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>

> >
> >

>




Petkan 10-23-2003 08:42 PM

Re: Audi Coupé 1991 2.3 Quattro - Not starting
 
If externally applied 12V energises the starter and no 12V comes from the
wire - there is either abroken wire or more likely ignition switch. You can
try to identify the wire at the ignition switch end and check what comes out
of the switch. Whatever the case you can drive for months with a wire
inserted in the starter actuation pin and routed somewhere within reach. You
stick it in the lighter socket and you can drive. No need to isolate the end
much - the wire is under power only when stuck to 12V.
Good luck
Plamen, Toronto
"Benwa" <scooty@pi.be> wrote in message news:bn91eb$om6$1@reader11.wxs.nl...
> Hi Steve,
>
> The tick is from the dash
> The solenoid and starter are fine, because i already started the car

taking
> power directly from battery..
> There is something wrong between the solenoid to ignition switch.
> My local dealer told me by phone he is pretty sure it is my ignition

switch,
> because there is no fuse between both.. i have to messure step by step and
> check my wires
>
>
> Thx for the help
>
> Benoit
>
>
> "Steve Sears" <steve.sears@SHOESsoil-mat.on.ca> wrote in message
> news:XMQlb.13226$XO.955262@news20.bellglobal.com.. .
> > Benoit,
> > Is the "tick" from your dash, or from the starter solenoid under the

hood?
> > Like Tony says, check the wires at the starter to see if they are

getting
> > power. There's a braided cable that runs from the solenoid to the

> starter -
> > often it gets corroded and causes the starter to pack up.
> > Cheers!
> > Steve Sears
> > 1987 Audi 5kTQ
> > 1980 Audi 5k
> > 1962 and '64 Auto Union DKW Junior deLuxes
> > (SPAM Blocker NOTE: Remove SHOES to reply)
> > "Benwa" <scooty@pi.be> wrote in message

> news:bn6nnm$qb1$1@reader10.wxs.nl...
> > > Tony, thanks for the tip
> > > Is not an Auto, and so far i can check it, its not the ignition

switch.
> > > Thats the first think i thought, because i had this problem with my

> > previous
> > > Coupe, a 1985 model.
> > > When i switch with the key to the ignition position, i can hear a

little
> > > 'tick' around my dashboard, so i am pretty sure it's acts correctly.
> > > It's strange, the owners manual nowhere refers to any fuse.
> > >
> > > Grtz
> > > Benoit
> > >
> > > "TonyJ" <tonyjNOSPAM@NOSPAMvisi.com> wrote in message
> > > news:3f96de0e$0$41285$a1866201@newsreader.visi.com ...
> > > > If it is an Auto it might be the interlock switch on the trans

linkage
> > > > that only allows it to start in Park. Could also be your ignition

> > switch.
> > > >
> > > > Tony
> > > > '91 100Q 5spd
> > > >
> > > > Benwa wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Hi,
> > > > > Does someone know where i can find the engine-starter fuse.
> > > > > When turning the key, the starter does not give a kick, putting

12+
> on
> > > the
> > > > > relay directly from the battery, the starter just working fine.
> > > > > It can only be a fuse, or that damn Bosch alarm. Normally the Bosh

> > alarm
> > > is
> > > > > disconnected, so...
> > > > >
> > > > > Thx
> > > > > Benoit
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >

> >
> >

>
>





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