I just wanted to say thanks for the quick help you guys! I think I'm
going to go ahead and take my chances replacing the master cylinder.
I've done it before on my 86 Bronco and that was a pretty straight
forward job. Do you know of any tips or anything I should look out
for?

As for the VAG number, I found one that is very similar. My car does
have ABS and I also have a seperate powersteering resivoir. The number
I found on my Brake resivoir was 893 611307A I'm going to assume I'll
need p/n 112568 from advance..
http://www.partsamerica.com/ProductD...pe=230&ptset=A

Thanks again for your help.. this thing runs like a champ once its on
the road... I've just been having a hard time keeping it there!

-Dylan


The Al Bundy wrote:
> If it would only be 1 brake that locks up then it was easy... But if all
> brakes are locked at the same time I cant think of anything else then
> the master cylinder.
>
> In the ETKA (audi/VW database) I find 4 master cylinders for this car, 2x
> girling and 2x
> ate. On the original master cylinder there must be a VAG number.
>
> The 4 possibilities:
> 893 611 021B: Girling
> 893 611 021A: Girling for systems with ABS
> 893 611 021 : ATE for systems with ABS and powersteering
> 441 611 021A: ATE for heavy-duty brakes
>
> I hope this helps abit.
>
>
> "DiLLY" <dylan.corbett@gmail.com> wrote
> news:1149712478.880473.45800@i39g2000cwa.googlegro ups.com...
> > Im trying to find out what my problem is here, before spending another
> > 200 bucks just for the shop to replace brake pads. First of all, the
> > car had been sitting for a long time. I was having problems with the
> > alternator not lining up and therefore it was going through v-belts
> > every 10 miles or so. so anyways, got that fixed and seemed to be
> > running great. I went for a little test ride and got about 10 miles
> > away, parked at the bank, and noticed a white smoke coming from my
> > tire. I drove home immediately and the entire way it just felt like
> > the brakes were constantly applied. The second I would let off the
> > gas, it would drop about 5 mph, and keep slowing down. So anyways, i
> > bring it to the shop, they said they couldn't find any reason for the
> > problem but they did replace the pads and rotors and completely bled
> > the entire system. I drive it home and seems to be going great!!! I
> > get up in the morning and decide to take it for an extended test drive.
> > I get about 15-20 miles out with no problems whatsoever.. brakes seem
> > to be working as they should. No soon as I said that, I feel the
> > brakes lock up again. I find my way home, pull off the STEAMING HOT
> > WHEELS... and verify my concern.. The brakes were indeed locked up..
> > you can see the the outline of the pads on the rotors! We took the
> > pads off, and it seems like the calipers are working fine.. Again, this
> > is on both sides... Also, the rears are extremely hot too.. We haven't
> > taken off the rears, but they are also extrememly hot, however not
> > nearly as hot as the front. So what do you think?? Probably the master
> > cylinder??? Also, if it is the master cylinder, i was looking at them
> > on advanceautoparts and there are some with a girling master cylinder,
> > and some for an ate master cylinder... how can i tell which one i
> > have??? Thanks for all your help, my mom is begging me to get this
> > fixed so she can have a vehicle to drive!
> >
> > -Dylan
> >

 

I just wanted to say thanks for the quick help you guys! I think I'm
going to go ahead and take my chances replacing the master cylinder.
I've done it before on my 86 Bronco and that was a pretty straight
forward job. Do you know of any tips or anything I should look out
for?

As for the VAG number, I found one that is very similar. My car does
have ABS and I also have a seperate powersteering resivoir. The number
I found on my Brake resivoir was 893 611307A I'm going to assume I'll
need p/n 112568 from advance..
http://www.partsamerica.com/ProductD...pe=230&ptset=A

Thanks again for your help.. this thing runs like a champ once its on
the road... I've just been having a hard time keeping it there!

-Dylan


The Al Bundy wrote:
> If it would only be 1 brake that locks up then it was easy... But if all
> brakes are locked at the same time I cant think of anything else then
> the master cylinder.
>
> In the ETKA (audi/VW database) I find 4 master cylinders for this car, 2x
> girling and 2x
> ate. On the original master cylinder there must be a VAG number.
>
> The 4 possibilities:
> 893 611 021B: Girling
> 893 611 021A: Girling for systems with ABS
> 893 611 021 : ATE for systems with ABS and powersteering
> 441 611 021A: ATE for heavy-duty brakes
>
> I hope this helps abit.
>
>
> "DiLLY" <dylan.corbett@gmail.com> wrote
> news:1149712478.880473.45800@i39g2000cwa.googlegro ups.com...
> > Im trying to find out what my problem is here, before spending another
> > 200 bucks just for the shop to replace brake pads. First of all, the
> > car had been sitting for a long time. I was having problems with the
> > alternator not lining up and therefore it was going through v-belts
> > every 10 miles or so. so anyways, got that fixed and seemed to be
> > running great. I went for a little test ride and got about 10 miles
> > away, parked at the bank, and noticed a white smoke coming from my
> > tire. I drove home immediately and the entire way it just felt like
> > the brakes were constantly applied. The second I would let off the
> > gas, it would drop about 5 mph, and keep slowing down. So anyways, i
> > bring it to the shop, they said they couldn't find any reason for the
> > problem but they did replace the pads and rotors and completely bled
> > the entire system. I drive it home and seems to be going great!!! I
> > get up in the morning and decide to take it for an extended test drive.
> > I get about 15-20 miles out with no problems whatsoever.. brakes seem
> > to be working as they should. No soon as I said that, I feel the
> > brakes lock up again. I find my way home, pull off the STEAMING HOT
> > WHEELS... and verify my concern.. The brakes were indeed locked up..
> > you can see the the outline of the pads on the rotors! We took the
> > pads off, and it seems like the calipers are working fine.. Again, this
> > is on both sides... Also, the rears are extremely hot too.. We haven't
> > taken off the rears, but they are also extrememly hot, however not
> > nearly as hot as the front. So what do you think?? Probably the master
> > cylinder??? Also, if it is the master cylinder, i was looking at them
> > on advanceautoparts and there are some with a girling master cylinder,
> > and some for an ate master cylinder... how can i tell which one i
> > have??? Thanks for all your help, my mom is begging me to get this
> > fixed so she can have a vehicle to drive!
> >
> > -Dylan
> >

 

I just wanted to say thanks for the quick help you guys! I think I'm
going to go ahead and take my chances replacing the master cylinder.
I've done it before on my 86 Bronco and that was a pretty straight
forward job. Do you know of any tips or anything I should look out
for?

As for the VAG number, I found one that is very similar. My car does
have ABS and I also have a seperate powersteering resivoir. The number
I found on my Brake resivoir was 893 611307A I'm going to assume I'll
need p/n 112568 from advance..
http://www.partsamerica.com/ProductD...pe=230&ptset=A

Thanks again for your help.. this thing runs like a champ once its on
the road... I've just been having a hard time keeping it there!

-Dylan


The Al Bundy wrote:
> If it would only be 1 brake that locks up then it was easy... But if all
> brakes are locked at the same time I cant think of anything else then
> the master cylinder.
>
> In the ETKA (audi/VW database) I find 4 master cylinders for this car, 2x
> girling and 2x
> ate. On the original master cylinder there must be a VAG number.
>
> The 4 possibilities:
> 893 611 021B: Girling
> 893 611 021A: Girling for systems with ABS
> 893 611 021 : ATE for systems with ABS and powersteering
> 441 611 021A: ATE for heavy-duty brakes
>
> I hope this helps abit.
>
>
> "DiLLY" <dylan.corbett@gmail.com> wrote
> news:1149712478.880473.45800@i39g2000cwa.googlegro ups.com...
> > Im trying to find out what my problem is here, before spending another
> > 200 bucks just for the shop to replace brake pads. First of all, the
> > car had been sitting for a long time. I was having problems with the
> > alternator not lining up and therefore it was going through v-belts
> > every 10 miles or so. so anyways, got that fixed and seemed to be
> > running great. I went for a little test ride and got about 10 miles
> > away, parked at the bank, and noticed a white smoke coming from my
> > tire. I drove home immediately and the entire way it just felt like
> > the brakes were constantly applied. The second I would let off the
> > gas, it would drop about 5 mph, and keep slowing down. So anyways, i
> > bring it to the shop, they said they couldn't find any reason for the
> > problem but they did replace the pads and rotors and completely bled
> > the entire system. I drive it home and seems to be going great!!! I
> > get up in the morning and decide to take it for an extended test drive.
> > I get about 15-20 miles out with no problems whatsoever.. brakes seem
> > to be working as they should. No soon as I said that, I feel the
> > brakes lock up again. I find my way home, pull off the STEAMING HOT
> > WHEELS... and verify my concern.. The brakes were indeed locked up..
> > you can see the the outline of the pads on the rotors! We took the
> > pads off, and it seems like the calipers are working fine.. Again, this
> > is on both sides... Also, the rears are extremely hot too.. We haven't
> > taken off the rears, but they are also extrememly hot, however not
> > nearly as hot as the front. So what do you think?? Probably the master
> > cylinder??? Also, if it is the master cylinder, i was looking at them
> > on advanceautoparts and there are some with a girling master cylinder,
> > and some for an ate master cylinder... how can i tell which one i
> > have??? Thanks for all your help, my mom is begging me to get this
> > fixed so she can have a vehicle to drive!
> >
> > -Dylan
> >

 

Bleeding: The regular method of pushing the pedal and releasing the bleeder
valve works but a vacuum bleeder is the best method.

The MC is right behind the radiator fan and they get hot. If you want to test it
again, take a bottle of cold water with you and drive until the brakes drag. Get
out and pour the water over the MC. If this corrects it this is your problem.

DiLLY wrote:
> I just wanted to say thanks for the quick help you guys! I think I'm
> going to go ahead and take my chances replacing the master cylinder.
> I've done it before on my 86 Bronco and that was a pretty straight
> forward job. Do you know of any tips or anything I should look out
> for?
>
> As for the VAG number, I found one that is very similar. My car does
> have ABS and I also have a seperate powersteering resivoir. The number
> I found on my Brake resivoir was 893 611307A I'm going to assume I'll
> need p/n 112568 from advance..
> http://www.partsamerica.com/ProductD...pe=230&ptset=A
>
> Thanks again for your help.. this thing runs like a champ once its on
> the road... I've just been having a hard time keeping it there!
>
> -Dylan
>
>
> The Al Bundy wrote:
>
>>If it would only be 1 brake that locks up then it was easy... But if all
>>brakes are locked at the same time I cant think of anything else then
>>the master cylinder.
>>
>>In the ETKA (audi/VW database) I find 4 master cylinders for this car, 2x
>>girling and 2x
>>ate. On the original master cylinder there must be a VAG number.
>>
>>The 4 possibilities:
>>893 611 021B: Girling
>>893 611 021A: Girling for systems with ABS
>>893 611 021 : ATE for systems with ABS and powersteering
>>441 611 021A: ATE for heavy-duty brakes
>>
>>I hope this helps abit.
>>
>>
>>"DiLLY" <dylan.corbett@gmail.com> wrote
>> news:1149712478.880473.45800@i39g2000cwa.googlegro ups.com...
>>
>>>Im trying to find out what my problem is here, before spending another
>>>200 bucks just for the shop to replace brake pads. First of all, the
>>>car had been sitting for a long time. I was having problems with the
>>>alternator not lining up and therefore it was going through v-belts
>>>every 10 miles or so. so anyways, got that fixed and seemed to be
>>>running great. I went for a little test ride and got about 10 miles
>>>away, parked at the bank, and noticed a white smoke coming from my
>>>tire. I drove home immediately and the entire way it just felt like
>>>the brakes were constantly applied. The second I would let off the
>>>gas, it would drop about 5 mph, and keep slowing down. So anyways, i
>>>bring it to the shop, they said they couldn't find any reason for the
>>>problem but they did replace the pads and rotors and completely bled
>>>the entire system. I drive it home and seems to be going great!!! I
>>>get up in the morning and decide to take it for an extended test drive.
>>> I get about 15-20 miles out with no problems whatsoever.. brakes seem
>>>to be working as they should. No soon as I said that, I feel the
>>>brakes lock up again. I find my way home, pull off the STEAMING HOT
>>>WHEELS... and verify my concern.. The brakes were indeed locked up..
>>>you can see the the outline of the pads on the rotors! We took the
>>>pads off, and it seems like the calipers are working fine.. Again, this
>>>is on both sides... Also, the rears are extremely hot too.. We haven't
>>>taken off the rears, but they are also extrememly hot, however not
>>>nearly as hot as the front. So what do you think?? Probably the master
>>>cylinder??? Also, if it is the master cylinder, i was looking at them
>>>on advanceautoparts and there are some with a girling master cylinder,
>>>and some for an ate master cylinder... how can i tell which one i
>>>have??? Thanks for all your help, my mom is begging me to get this
>>>fixed so she can have a vehicle to drive!
>>>
>>>-Dylan
>>>
>
>

 

Bleeding: The regular method of pushing the pedal and releasing the bleeder
valve works but a vacuum bleeder is the best method.

The MC is right behind the radiator fan and they get hot. If you want to test it
again, take a bottle of cold water with you and drive until the brakes drag. Get
out and pour the water over the MC. If this corrects it this is your problem.

DiLLY wrote:
> I just wanted to say thanks for the quick help you guys! I think I'm
> going to go ahead and take my chances replacing the master cylinder.
> I've done it before on my 86 Bronco and that was a pretty straight
> forward job. Do you know of any tips or anything I should look out
> for?
>
> As for the VAG number, I found one that is very similar. My car does
> have ABS and I also have a seperate powersteering resivoir. The number
> I found on my Brake resivoir was 893 611307A I'm going to assume I'll
> need p/n 112568 from advance..
> http://www.partsamerica.com/ProductD...pe=230&ptset=A
>
> Thanks again for your help.. this thing runs like a champ once its on
> the road... I've just been having a hard time keeping it there!
>
> -Dylan
>
>
> The Al Bundy wrote:
>
>>If it would only be 1 brake that locks up then it was easy... But if all
>>brakes are locked at the same time I cant think of anything else then
>>the master cylinder.
>>
>>In the ETKA (audi/VW database) I find 4 master cylinders for this car, 2x
>>girling and 2x
>>ate. On the original master cylinder there must be a VAG number.
>>
>>The 4 possibilities:
>>893 611 021B: Girling
>>893 611 021A: Girling for systems with ABS
>>893 611 021 : ATE for systems with ABS and powersteering
>>441 611 021A: ATE for heavy-duty brakes
>>
>>I hope this helps abit.
>>
>>
>>"DiLLY" <dylan.corbett@gmail.com> wrote
>> news:1149712478.880473.45800@i39g2000cwa.googlegro ups.com...
>>
>>>Im trying to find out what my problem is here, before spending another
>>>200 bucks just for the shop to replace brake pads. First of all, the
>>>car had been sitting for a long time. I was having problems with the
>>>alternator not lining up and therefore it was going through v-belts
>>>every 10 miles or so. so anyways, got that fixed and seemed to be
>>>running great. I went for a little test ride and got about 10 miles
>>>away, parked at the bank, and noticed a white smoke coming from my
>>>tire. I drove home immediately and the entire way it just felt like
>>>the brakes were constantly applied. The second I would let off the
>>>gas, it would drop about 5 mph, and keep slowing down. So anyways, i
>>>bring it to the shop, they said they couldn't find any reason for the
>>>problem but they did replace the pads and rotors and completely bled
>>>the entire system. I drive it home and seems to be going great!!! I
>>>get up in the morning and decide to take it for an extended test drive.
>>> I get about 15-20 miles out with no problems whatsoever.. brakes seem
>>>to be working as they should. No soon as I said that, I feel the
>>>brakes lock up again. I find my way home, pull off the STEAMING HOT
>>>WHEELS... and verify my concern.. The brakes were indeed locked up..
>>>you can see the the outline of the pads on the rotors! We took the
>>>pads off, and it seems like the calipers are working fine.. Again, this
>>>is on both sides... Also, the rears are extremely hot too.. We haven't
>>>taken off the rears, but they are also extrememly hot, however not
>>>nearly as hot as the front. So what do you think?? Probably the master
>>>cylinder??? Also, if it is the master cylinder, i was looking at them
>>>on advanceautoparts and there are some with a girling master cylinder,
>>>and some for an ate master cylinder... how can i tell which one i
>>>have??? Thanks for all your help, my mom is begging me to get this
>>>fixed so she can have a vehicle to drive!
>>>
>>>-Dylan
>>>
>
>

 

Bleeding: The regular method of pushing the pedal and releasing the bleeder
valve works but a vacuum bleeder is the best method.

The MC is right behind the radiator fan and they get hot. If you want to test it
again, take a bottle of cold water with you and drive until the brakes drag. Get
out and pour the water over the MC. If this corrects it this is your problem.

DiLLY wrote:
> I just wanted to say thanks for the quick help you guys! I think I'm
> going to go ahead and take my chances replacing the master cylinder.
> I've done it before on my 86 Bronco and that was a pretty straight
> forward job. Do you know of any tips or anything I should look out
> for?
>
> As for the VAG number, I found one that is very similar. My car does
> have ABS and I also have a seperate powersteering resivoir. The number
> I found on my Brake resivoir was 893 611307A I'm going to assume I'll
> need p/n 112568 from advance..
> http://www.partsamerica.com/ProductD...pe=230&ptset=A
>
> Thanks again for your help.. this thing runs like a champ once its on
> the road... I've just been having a hard time keeping it there!
>
> -Dylan
>
>
> The Al Bundy wrote:
>
>>If it would only be 1 brake that locks up then it was easy... But if all
>>brakes are locked at the same time I cant think of anything else then
>>the master cylinder.
>>
>>In the ETKA (audi/VW database) I find 4 master cylinders for this car, 2x
>>girling and 2x
>>ate. On the original master cylinder there must be a VAG number.
>>
>>The 4 possibilities:
>>893 611 021B: Girling
>>893 611 021A: Girling for systems with ABS
>>893 611 021 : ATE for systems with ABS and powersteering
>>441 611 021A: ATE for heavy-duty brakes
>>
>>I hope this helps abit.
>>
>>
>>"DiLLY" <dylan.corbett@gmail.com> wrote
>> news:1149712478.880473.45800@i39g2000cwa.googlegro ups.com...
>>
>>>Im trying to find out what my problem is here, before spending another
>>>200 bucks just for the shop to replace brake pads. First of all, the
>>>car had been sitting for a long time. I was having problems with the
>>>alternator not lining up and therefore it was going through v-belts
>>>every 10 miles or so. so anyways, got that fixed and seemed to be
>>>running great. I went for a little test ride and got about 10 miles
>>>away, parked at the bank, and noticed a white smoke coming from my
>>>tire. I drove home immediately and the entire way it just felt like
>>>the brakes were constantly applied. The second I would let off the
>>>gas, it would drop about 5 mph, and keep slowing down. So anyways, i
>>>bring it to the shop, they said they couldn't find any reason for the
>>>problem but they did replace the pads and rotors and completely bled
>>>the entire system. I drive it home and seems to be going great!!! I
>>>get up in the morning and decide to take it for an extended test drive.
>>> I get about 15-20 miles out with no problems whatsoever.. brakes seem
>>>to be working as they should. No soon as I said that, I feel the
>>>brakes lock up again. I find my way home, pull off the STEAMING HOT
>>>WHEELS... and verify my concern.. The brakes were indeed locked up..
>>>you can see the the outline of the pads on the rotors! We took the
>>>pads off, and it seems like the calipers are working fine.. Again, this
>>>is on both sides... Also, the rears are extremely hot too.. We haven't
>>>taken off the rears, but they are also extrememly hot, however not
>>>nearly as hot as the front. So what do you think?? Probably the master
>>>cylinder??? Also, if it is the master cylinder, i was looking at them
>>>on advanceautoparts and there are some with a girling master cylinder,
>>>and some for an ate master cylinder... how can i tell which one i
>>>have??? Thanks for all your help, my mom is begging me to get this
>>>fixed so she can have a vehicle to drive!
>>>
>>>-Dylan
>>>
>
>

 

Bleeding: The regular method of pushing the pedal and releasing the bleeder
valve works but a vacuum bleeder is the best method.

The MC is right behind the radiator fan and they get hot. If you want to test it
again, take a bottle of cold water with you and drive until the brakes drag. Get
out and pour the water over the MC. If this corrects it this is your problem.

DiLLY wrote:
> I just wanted to say thanks for the quick help you guys! I think I'm
> going to go ahead and take my chances replacing the master cylinder.
> I've done it before on my 86 Bronco and that was a pretty straight
> forward job. Do you know of any tips or anything I should look out
> for?
>
> As for the VAG number, I found one that is very similar. My car does
> have ABS and I also have a seperate powersteering resivoir. The number
> I found on my Brake resivoir was 893 611307A I'm going to assume I'll
> need p/n 112568 from advance..
> http://www.partsamerica.com/ProductD...pe=230&ptset=A
>
> Thanks again for your help.. this thing runs like a champ once its on
> the road... I've just been having a hard time keeping it there!
>
> -Dylan
>
>
> The Al Bundy wrote:
>
>>If it would only be 1 brake that locks up then it was easy... But if all
>>brakes are locked at the same time I cant think of anything else then
>>the master cylinder.
>>
>>In the ETKA (audi/VW database) I find 4 master cylinders for this car, 2x
>>girling and 2x
>>ate. On the original master cylinder there must be a VAG number.
>>
>>The 4 possibilities:
>>893 611 021B: Girling
>>893 611 021A: Girling for systems with ABS
>>893 611 021 : ATE for systems with ABS and powersteering
>>441 611 021A: ATE for heavy-duty brakes
>>
>>I hope this helps abit.
>>
>>
>>"DiLLY" <dylan.corbett@gmail.com> wrote
>> news:1149712478.880473.45800@i39g2000cwa.googlegro ups.com...
>>
>>>Im trying to find out what my problem is here, before spending another
>>>200 bucks just for the shop to replace brake pads. First of all, the
>>>car had been sitting for a long time. I was having problems with the
>>>alternator not lining up and therefore it was going through v-belts
>>>every 10 miles or so. so anyways, got that fixed and seemed to be
>>>running great. I went for a little test ride and got about 10 miles
>>>away, parked at the bank, and noticed a white smoke coming from my
>>>tire. I drove home immediately and the entire way it just felt like
>>>the brakes were constantly applied. The second I would let off the
>>>gas, it would drop about 5 mph, and keep slowing down. So anyways, i
>>>bring it to the shop, they said they couldn't find any reason for the
>>>problem but they did replace the pads and rotors and completely bled
>>>the entire system. I drive it home and seems to be going great!!! I
>>>get up in the morning and decide to take it for an extended test drive.
>>> I get about 15-20 miles out with no problems whatsoever.. brakes seem
>>>to be working as they should. No soon as I said that, I feel the
>>>brakes lock up again. I find my way home, pull off the STEAMING HOT
>>>WHEELS... and verify my concern.. The brakes were indeed locked up..
>>>you can see the the outline of the pads on the rotors! We took the
>>>pads off, and it seems like the calipers are working fine.. Again, this
>>>is on both sides... Also, the rears are extremely hot too.. We haven't
>>>taken off the rears, but they are also extrememly hot, however not
>>>nearly as hot as the front. So what do you think?? Probably the master
>>>cylinder??? Also, if it is the master cylinder, i was looking at them
>>>on advanceautoparts and there are some with a girling master cylinder,
>>>and some for an ate master cylinder... how can i tell which one i
>>>have??? Thanks for all your help, my mom is begging me to get this
>>>fixed so she can have a vehicle to drive!
>>>
>>>-Dylan
>>>
>
>