2001 Audi A4 V6 -- P0118 code
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2001 Audi A4 V6 -- P0118 code
I was driving home yesterday and the check engine light came on. Went
to AutoZone and the code was P0118 -- Engine Coolant Temperature (ECT)
Sensor - High Circuit
So, I went to the dealer this AM, got the $8 part and got my Audi
manual out. I have both the factory and Haynes manual. I looked
through, thought I figured it out where it was and started to goto
work. One website on the audi forum says it takes about 5 minutes to
replace -- guess I busted that timeframe.
For the life of me, I cannot find the ECT sensor to replace it.
I removed the "black ribbed piece" between the MAF sensor and the hard
plastic piece, but for the life of me -- no joy.
Taking it to a Audi specialist in Denver on Tuesday, just curious if
anyone knows if I am in the right area for the sensor.
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to AutoZone and the code was P0118 -- Engine Coolant Temperature (ECT)
Sensor - High Circuit
So, I went to the dealer this AM, got the $8 part and got my Audi
manual out. I have both the factory and Haynes manual. I looked
through, thought I figured it out where it was and started to goto
work. One website on the audi forum says it takes about 5 minutes to
replace -- guess I busted that timeframe.
For the life of me, I cannot find the ECT sensor to replace it.
I removed the "black ribbed piece" between the MAF sensor and the hard
plastic piece, but for the life of me -- no joy.
Taking it to a Audi specialist in Denver on Tuesday, just curious if
anyone knows if I am in the right area for the sensor.
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Re: 2001 Audi A4 V6 -- P0118 code
On Sat, 29 Jan 2005 14:50:54 -0700, Curtis Newton
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>I was driving home yesterday and the check engine light came on. Went
>to AutoZone and the code was P0118 -- Engine Coolant Temperature (ECT)
>Sensor - High Circuit
>
>So, I went to the dealer this AM, got the $8 part and got my Audi
>manual out. I have both the factory and Haynes manual. I looked
>through, thought I figured it out where it was and started to goto
>work. One website on the audi forum says it takes about 5 minutes to
>replace -- guess I busted that timeframe.
>
>For the life of me, I cannot find the ECT sensor to replace it.
>
>I removed the "black ribbed piece" between the MAF sensor and the hard
>plastic piece, but for the life of me -- no joy.
>
>Taking it to a Audi specialist in Denver on Tuesday, just curious if
>anyone knows if I am in the right area for the sensor.
>
>
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http://users.adelphia.net/~cnewton/audi.htm
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>I was driving home yesterday and the check engine light came on. Went
>to AutoZone and the code was P0118 -- Engine Coolant Temperature (ECT)
>Sensor - High Circuit
>
>So, I went to the dealer this AM, got the $8 part and got my Audi
>manual out. I have both the factory and Haynes manual. I looked
>through, thought I figured it out where it was and started to goto
>work. One website on the audi forum says it takes about 5 minutes to
>replace -- guess I busted that timeframe.
>
>For the life of me, I cannot find the ECT sensor to replace it.
>
>I removed the "black ribbed piece" between the MAF sensor and the hard
>plastic piece, but for the life of me -- no joy.
>
>Taking it to a Audi specialist in Denver on Tuesday, just curious if
>anyone knows if I am in the right area for the sensor.
>
>
>-
I took a few photos of where I thought it was....posted below.
http://users.adelphia.net/~cnewton/audi.htm
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Re: 2001 Audi A4 V6 -- P0118 code
On Sat, 29 Jan 2005 14:50:54 -0700, Curtis Newton
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>I was driving home yesterday and the check engine light came on. Went
>to AutoZone and the code was P0118 -- Engine Coolant Temperature (ECT)
>Sensor - High Circuit
>
>So, I went to the dealer this AM, got the $8 part and got my Audi
>manual out. I have both the factory and Haynes manual. I looked
>through, thought I figured it out where it was and started to goto
>work. One website on the audi forum says it takes about 5 minutes to
>replace -- guess I busted that timeframe.
>
>For the life of me, I cannot find the ECT sensor to replace it.
>
>I removed the "black ribbed piece" between the MAF sensor and the hard
>plastic piece, but for the life of me -- no joy.
>
>Taking it to a Audi specialist in Denver on Tuesday, just curious if
>anyone knows if I am in the right area for the sensor.
>
>
>-
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http://users.adelphia.net/~cnewton/audi.htm
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>I was driving home yesterday and the check engine light came on. Went
>to AutoZone and the code was P0118 -- Engine Coolant Temperature (ECT)
>Sensor - High Circuit
>
>So, I went to the dealer this AM, got the $8 part and got my Audi
>manual out. I have both the factory and Haynes manual. I looked
>through, thought I figured it out where it was and started to goto
>work. One website on the audi forum says it takes about 5 minutes to
>replace -- guess I busted that timeframe.
>
>For the life of me, I cannot find the ECT sensor to replace it.
>
>I removed the "black ribbed piece" between the MAF sensor and the hard
>plastic piece, but for the life of me -- no joy.
>
>Taking it to a Audi specialist in Denver on Tuesday, just curious if
>anyone knows if I am in the right area for the sensor.
>
>
>-
I took a few photos of where I thought it was....posted below.
http://users.adelphia.net/~cnewton/audi.htm
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Re: 2001 Audi A4 V6 -- P0118 code
On Sat, 29 Jan 2005 14:50:54 -0700, Curtis Newton
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>I was driving home yesterday and the check engine light came on. Went
>to AutoZone and the code was P0118 -- Engine Coolant Temperature (ECT)
>Sensor - High Circuit
>
>So, I went to the dealer this AM, got the $8 part and got my Audi
>manual out. I have both the factory and Haynes manual. I looked
>through, thought I figured it out where it was and started to goto
>work. One website on the audi forum says it takes about 5 minutes to
>replace -- guess I busted that timeframe.
>
>For the life of me, I cannot find the ECT sensor to replace it.
>
>I removed the "black ribbed piece" between the MAF sensor and the hard
>plastic piece, but for the life of me -- no joy.
>
>Taking it to a Audi specialist in Denver on Tuesday, just curious if
>anyone knows if I am in the right area for the sensor.
>
>
>-
I took a few photos of where I thought it was....posted below.
http://users.adelphia.net/~cnewton/audi.htm
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>I was driving home yesterday and the check engine light came on. Went
>to AutoZone and the code was P0118 -- Engine Coolant Temperature (ECT)
>Sensor - High Circuit
>
>So, I went to the dealer this AM, got the $8 part and got my Audi
>manual out. I have both the factory and Haynes manual. I looked
>through, thought I figured it out where it was and started to goto
>work. One website on the audi forum says it takes about 5 minutes to
>replace -- guess I busted that timeframe.
>
>For the life of me, I cannot find the ECT sensor to replace it.
>
>I removed the "black ribbed piece" between the MAF sensor and the hard
>plastic piece, but for the life of me -- no joy.
>
>Taking it to a Audi specialist in Denver on Tuesday, just curious if
>anyone knows if I am in the right area for the sensor.
>
>
>-
I took a few photos of where I thought it was....posted below.
http://users.adelphia.net/~cnewton/audi.htm
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Re: 2001 Audi A4 V6 -- P0118 code
On Sat, 29 Jan 2005 18:18:01 -0700, Curtis Newton
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> On Sat, 29 Jan 2005 14:50:54 -0700, Curtis Newton
> <cnewton.remove-this@akamail.com> wrote:
>
>> I was driving home yesterday and the check engine light came on. Went
>> to AutoZone and the code was P0118 -- Engine Coolant Temperature (ECT)
>> Sensor - High Circuit
>>
>> So, I went to the dealer this AM, got the $8 part and got my Audi
>> manual out. I have both the factory and Haynes manual. I looked
>> through, thought I figured it out where it was and started to goto
>> work. One website on the audi forum says it takes about 5 minutes to
>> replace -- guess I busted that timeframe.
>>
>> For the life of me, I cannot find the ECT sensor to replace it.
>>
>> I removed the "black ribbed piece" between the MAF sensor and the hard
>> plastic piece, but for the life of me -- no joy.
>>
>> Taking it to a Audi specialist in Denver on Tuesday, just curious if
>> anyone knows if I am in the right area for the sensor.
>>
>>
>> -
>
> I took a few photos of where I thought it was....posted below.
>
> http://users.adelphia.net/~cnewton/audi.htm
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acc to my 1998 family album the ECT should be located on top of cooling
water manifold outlet from right cylinder bank (left side when standing
in front of car). So if this isn't changed on the 2001 model you should be
looking in the correct area.
but acc. to the article
http://www.audiworld.com/tech/eng54.shtml
at
http://www.audiworld.com/tech/
it's not easy to spot, and change either
hope this is of any help...
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> On Sat, 29 Jan 2005 14:50:54 -0700, Curtis Newton
> <cnewton.remove-this@akamail.com> wrote:
>
>> I was driving home yesterday and the check engine light came on. Went
>> to AutoZone and the code was P0118 -- Engine Coolant Temperature (ECT)
>> Sensor - High Circuit
>>
>> So, I went to the dealer this AM, got the $8 part and got my Audi
>> manual out. I have both the factory and Haynes manual. I looked
>> through, thought I figured it out where it was and started to goto
>> work. One website on the audi forum says it takes about 5 minutes to
>> replace -- guess I busted that timeframe.
>>
>> For the life of me, I cannot find the ECT sensor to replace it.
>>
>> I removed the "black ribbed piece" between the MAF sensor and the hard
>> plastic piece, but for the life of me -- no joy.
>>
>> Taking it to a Audi specialist in Denver on Tuesday, just curious if
>> anyone knows if I am in the right area for the sensor.
>>
>>
>> -
>
> I took a few photos of where I thought it was....posted below.
>
> http://users.adelphia.net/~cnewton/audi.htm
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acc to my 1998 family album the ECT should be located on top of cooling
water manifold outlet from right cylinder bank (left side when standing
in front of car). So if this isn't changed on the 2001 model you should be
looking in the correct area.
but acc. to the article
http://www.audiworld.com/tech/eng54.shtml
at
http://www.audiworld.com/tech/
it's not easy to spot, and change either
hope this is of any help...
regards
ottar t
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Re: 2001 Audi A4 V6 -- P0118 code
On Sat, 29 Jan 2005 18:18:01 -0700, Curtis Newton
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> On Sat, 29 Jan 2005 14:50:54 -0700, Curtis Newton
> <cnewton.remove-this@akamail.com> wrote:
>
>> I was driving home yesterday and the check engine light came on. Went
>> to AutoZone and the code was P0118 -- Engine Coolant Temperature (ECT)
>> Sensor - High Circuit
>>
>> So, I went to the dealer this AM, got the $8 part and got my Audi
>> manual out. I have both the factory and Haynes manual. I looked
>> through, thought I figured it out where it was and started to goto
>> work. One website on the audi forum says it takes about 5 minutes to
>> replace -- guess I busted that timeframe.
>>
>> For the life of me, I cannot find the ECT sensor to replace it.
>>
>> I removed the "black ribbed piece" between the MAF sensor and the hard
>> plastic piece, but for the life of me -- no joy.
>>
>> Taking it to a Audi specialist in Denver on Tuesday, just curious if
>> anyone knows if I am in the right area for the sensor.
>>
>>
>> -
>
> I took a few photos of where I thought it was....posted below.
>
> http://users.adelphia.net/~cnewton/audi.htm
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acc to my 1998 family album the ECT should be located on top of cooling
water manifold outlet from right cylinder bank (left side when standing
in front of car). So if this isn't changed on the 2001 model you should be
looking in the correct area.
but acc. to the article
http://www.audiworld.com/tech/eng54.shtml
at
http://www.audiworld.com/tech/
it's not easy to spot, and change either
hope this is of any help...
regards
ottar t
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> On Sat, 29 Jan 2005 14:50:54 -0700, Curtis Newton
> <cnewton.remove-this@akamail.com> wrote:
>
>> I was driving home yesterday and the check engine light came on. Went
>> to AutoZone and the code was P0118 -- Engine Coolant Temperature (ECT)
>> Sensor - High Circuit
>>
>> So, I went to the dealer this AM, got the $8 part and got my Audi
>> manual out. I have both the factory and Haynes manual. I looked
>> through, thought I figured it out where it was and started to goto
>> work. One website on the audi forum says it takes about 5 minutes to
>> replace -- guess I busted that timeframe.
>>
>> For the life of me, I cannot find the ECT sensor to replace it.
>>
>> I removed the "black ribbed piece" between the MAF sensor and the hard
>> plastic piece, but for the life of me -- no joy.
>>
>> Taking it to a Audi specialist in Denver on Tuesday, just curious if
>> anyone knows if I am in the right area for the sensor.
>>
>>
>> -
>
> I took a few photos of where I thought it was....posted below.
>
> http://users.adelphia.net/~cnewton/audi.htm
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acc to my 1998 family album the ECT should be located on top of cooling
water manifold outlet from right cylinder bank (left side when standing
in front of car). So if this isn't changed on the 2001 model you should be
looking in the correct area.
but acc. to the article
http://www.audiworld.com/tech/eng54.shtml
at
http://www.audiworld.com/tech/
it's not easy to spot, and change either
hope this is of any help...
regards
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Re: 2001 Audi A4 V6 -- P0118 code
On Sat, 29 Jan 2005 18:18:01 -0700, Curtis Newton
<cnewton.remove-this@akamail.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 29 Jan 2005 14:50:54 -0700, Curtis Newton
> <cnewton.remove-this@akamail.com> wrote:
>
>> I was driving home yesterday and the check engine light came on. Went
>> to AutoZone and the code was P0118 -- Engine Coolant Temperature (ECT)
>> Sensor - High Circuit
>>
>> So, I went to the dealer this AM, got the $8 part and got my Audi
>> manual out. I have both the factory and Haynes manual. I looked
>> through, thought I figured it out where it was and started to goto
>> work. One website on the audi forum says it takes about 5 minutes to
>> replace -- guess I busted that timeframe.
>>
>> For the life of me, I cannot find the ECT sensor to replace it.
>>
>> I removed the "black ribbed piece" between the MAF sensor and the hard
>> plastic piece, but for the life of me -- no joy.
>>
>> Taking it to a Audi specialist in Denver on Tuesday, just curious if
>> anyone knows if I am in the right area for the sensor.
>>
>>
>> -
>
> I took a few photos of where I thought it was....posted below.
>
> http://users.adelphia.net/~cnewton/audi.htm
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acc to my 1998 family album the ECT should be located on top of cooling
water manifold outlet from right cylinder bank (left side when standing
in front of car). So if this isn't changed on the 2001 model you should be
looking in the correct area.
but acc. to the article
http://www.audiworld.com/tech/eng54.shtml
at
http://www.audiworld.com/tech/
it's not easy to spot, and change either
hope this is of any help...
regards
ottar t
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<cnewton.remove-this@akamail.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 29 Jan 2005 14:50:54 -0700, Curtis Newton
> <cnewton.remove-this@akamail.com> wrote:
>
>> I was driving home yesterday and the check engine light came on. Went
>> to AutoZone and the code was P0118 -- Engine Coolant Temperature (ECT)
>> Sensor - High Circuit
>>
>> So, I went to the dealer this AM, got the $8 part and got my Audi
>> manual out. I have both the factory and Haynes manual. I looked
>> through, thought I figured it out where it was and started to goto
>> work. One website on the audi forum says it takes about 5 minutes to
>> replace -- guess I busted that timeframe.
>>
>> For the life of me, I cannot find the ECT sensor to replace it.
>>
>> I removed the "black ribbed piece" between the MAF sensor and the hard
>> plastic piece, but for the life of me -- no joy.
>>
>> Taking it to a Audi specialist in Denver on Tuesday, just curious if
>> anyone knows if I am in the right area for the sensor.
>>
>>
>> -
>
> I took a few photos of where I thought it was....posted below.
>
> http://users.adelphia.net/~cnewton/audi.htm
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acc to my 1998 family album the ECT should be located on top of cooling
water manifold outlet from right cylinder bank (left side when standing
in front of car). So if this isn't changed on the 2001 model you should be
looking in the correct area.
but acc. to the article
http://www.audiworld.com/tech/eng54.shtml
at
http://www.audiworld.com/tech/
it's not easy to spot, and change either
hope this is of any help...
regards
ottar t
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Re: 2001 Audi A4 V6 -- P0118 code
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>acc to my 1998 family album the ECT should be located on top of cooling
>water manifold outlet from right cylinder bank (left side when standing
>in front of car). So if this isn't changed on the 2001 model you should be
>looking in the correct area.
>
>but acc. to the article
>http://www.audiworld.com/tech/eng54.shtml
>at
>http://www.audiworld.com/tech/
>
>it's not easy to spot, and change either
>hope this is of any help...
>
Thanks. I know when to give up... I had looked at the link you
provided already and found the one sensor, but was unable to find the
blue one...Audi had to have moved it from the link you provided,
because I was looking immediately underneath the hard plastic piece
and there wasn't anything there.
I called a small independent shop in Denver and they are going to look
at it on Tuesday....he said when that code comes up, it could also be
the thermostat...so, rather than me changing parts that might not need
to be changed, I will just take it in.
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>acc to my 1998 family album the ECT should be located on top of cooling
>water manifold outlet from right cylinder bank (left side when standing
>in front of car). So if this isn't changed on the 2001 model you should be
>looking in the correct area.
>
>but acc. to the article
>http://www.audiworld.com/tech/eng54.shtml
>at
>http://www.audiworld.com/tech/
>
>it's not easy to spot, and change either
>hope this is of any help...
>
Thanks. I know when to give up... I had looked at the link you
provided already and found the one sensor, but was unable to find the
blue one...Audi had to have moved it from the link you provided,
because I was looking immediately underneath the hard plastic piece
and there wasn't anything there.
I called a small independent shop in Denver and they are going to look
at it on Tuesday....he said when that code comes up, it could also be
the thermostat...so, rather than me changing parts that might not need
to be changed, I will just take it in.
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Re: 2001 Audi A4 V6 -- P0118 code
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>acc to my 1998 family album the ECT should be located on top of cooling
>water manifold outlet from right cylinder bank (left side when standing
>in front of car). So if this isn't changed on the 2001 model you should be
>looking in the correct area.
>
>but acc. to the article
>http://www.audiworld.com/tech/eng54.shtml
>at
>http://www.audiworld.com/tech/
>
>it's not easy to spot, and change either
>hope this is of any help...
>
Thanks. I know when to give up... I had looked at the link you
provided already and found the one sensor, but was unable to find the
blue one...Audi had to have moved it from the link you provided,
because I was looking immediately underneath the hard plastic piece
and there wasn't anything there.
I called a small independent shop in Denver and they are going to look
at it on Tuesday....he said when that code comes up, it could also be
the thermostat...so, rather than me changing parts that might not need
to be changed, I will just take it in.
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>acc to my 1998 family album the ECT should be located on top of cooling
>water manifold outlet from right cylinder bank (left side when standing
>in front of car). So if this isn't changed on the 2001 model you should be
>looking in the correct area.
>
>but acc. to the article
>http://www.audiworld.com/tech/eng54.shtml
>at
>http://www.audiworld.com/tech/
>
>it's not easy to spot, and change either
>hope this is of any help...
>
Thanks. I know when to give up... I had looked at the link you
provided already and found the one sensor, but was unable to find the
blue one...Audi had to have moved it from the link you provided,
because I was looking immediately underneath the hard plastic piece
and there wasn't anything there.
I called a small independent shop in Denver and they are going to look
at it on Tuesday....he said when that code comes up, it could also be
the thermostat...so, rather than me changing parts that might not need
to be changed, I will just take it in.
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Re: 2001 Audi A4 V6 -- P0118 code
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>acc to my 1998 family album the ECT should be located on top of cooling
>water manifold outlet from right cylinder bank (left side when standing
>in front of car). So if this isn't changed on the 2001 model you should be
>looking in the correct area.
>
>but acc. to the article
>http://www.audiworld.com/tech/eng54.shtml
>at
>http://www.audiworld.com/tech/
>
>it's not easy to spot, and change either
>hope this is of any help...
>
Thanks. I know when to give up... I had looked at the link you
provided already and found the one sensor, but was unable to find the
blue one...Audi had to have moved it from the link you provided,
because I was looking immediately underneath the hard plastic piece
and there wasn't anything there.
I called a small independent shop in Denver and they are going to look
at it on Tuesday....he said when that code comes up, it could also be
the thermostat...so, rather than me changing parts that might not need
to be changed, I will just take it in.
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>acc to my 1998 family album the ECT should be located on top of cooling
>water manifold outlet from right cylinder bank (left side when standing
>in front of car). So if this isn't changed on the 2001 model you should be
>looking in the correct area.
>
>but acc. to the article
>http://www.audiworld.com/tech/eng54.shtml
>at
>http://www.audiworld.com/tech/
>
>it's not easy to spot, and change either
>hope this is of any help...
>
Thanks. I know when to give up... I had looked at the link you
provided already and found the one sensor, but was unable to find the
blue one...Audi had to have moved it from the link you provided,
because I was looking immediately underneath the hard plastic piece
and there wasn't anything there.
I called a small independent shop in Denver and they are going to look
at it on Tuesday....he said when that code comes up, it could also be
the thermostat...so, rather than me changing parts that might not need
to be changed, I will just take it in.
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